March 11, 2008 11:30 PM
Open Thread
Found linked at the most recent Carnival of the Liberals, hosted this week by Tangled Up in Blue Guy. Open thread below...
Found linked at the most recent Carnival of the Liberals, hosted this week by Tangled Up in Blue Guy. Open thread below...

FOIST ??!
CNBC: Analyst Jim Rogers - "Abolish the Fed"
Bush can't wait to leave office.
I have my sound turned down, but Christ, what an asshole he looks like nancying around like that. I'm sure the audio is sickening.
Remember Sally Kern, the OK state representive that said 'Gays are a bigger threat to American than terrorism'? Turns out she has a gay son that she disowned.
anyone want to see what a 4300 dollar piece of ass looks like?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html
i mean, ok....maybe a grand....maybe....but she isnt even college educated
As of this week the foist idiot is also "singing" - no song nor dance can help him..
When is he going to go to jail ?
Forget ‘Emperor’s Escort Service,’ Why Don’t They Bust This ‘Emperor With No Clothes’
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1593
Dear site monitor:
I thought personal attacks against fellow posters were prohibited?
Taxi To The Dark Side [the whole video]
Whew!
Now here is a room i can walk around in!
My elbows can move and everything!
uncle joe mccarthy @ 6:
Wow, and I thought that Sarah Silverman was fucking Matt Damon.
Quite a madhouse down below.
Anti-war protesters chant "war criminal" at Rice ~ compliments to Michael Moore.
That's one word for it, L.A.
9 GonzoD Says:
Dear site monitor:
I thought personal attacks against fellow posters were prohibited?
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When i was 18 i was arrested at the White House for protesting Ford's criminal use of Food For Peace money being funneled into the black market to buy arms illegally for South Vietnam.
I ended up in DC jail for ten days.
There was a guy there who kept yelling, "Guard! Guard! They're throwing water on me guard!"
The weekend after i got out (lucky me!) they staged a riot so they could hang him.
Stand up for yourself, refrain from personal attacks in response and the site monitors will do their job.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 6:
You must be a very handsome fella. Spitzeronnertitzer is not, so by deductive logic her fees are based partially on an oldnugly:herhotness ratio, in which case he got a deal... nice link, though.
Hi 2b, how is it going?
What is your list up to?
Roark77 Hussein @ 15:
You enjoy that?
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 16:
The last time I stood up for myself here, I was deleted and banned.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 6:
Was Spitzer interested in another degree ? Since we've received too much info re: all in this mess, based on his (now public) very private tastes, he might have given a surprise 'gift' to his sheeple wife.
More on this $4300 specimen to be published tomorrow Woman at the Center of Governor’s Downfall
America at its' best !!
GonzoD @ 20:
Then how come your here if your were banned?
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
Temporary.
Indian Yoga versus Irish Yoga:
http://myjunkmail.blogspot.com/2008/03/yoga-pics.html
20 GonzoD Says: xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 16:
9 GonzoD Says:
Dear site monitor:
I thought personal attacks against fellow posters were prohibited?
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When i was 18 i was arrested at the White House for protesting Ford’s criminal use of Food For Peace money being funneled into the black market to buy arms illegally for South Vietnam.
I ended up in DC jail for ten days.
There was a guy there who kept yelling, “Guard! Guard! They’re throwing water on me guard!”
The weekend after i got out (lucky me!) they staged a riot so they could hang him.
Stand up for yourself, refrain from personal attacks in response and the site monitors will do their job.
The last time I stood up for myself here, I was deleted and banned.
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I can't help you there, you must have violated policy.
If you think you are the only one who gets caught misbehaving then you are incorrect.
No, L.A. I was just saying that madhouse was one word to use. There were lots of less flattering ones that you could have used.
I dislike when threads degenerate into namecalling back and forth. Or when they turn flat out into whining about one thing or another.
Aaaawwwww, chimpy looks like such a fungi.
Let's give him a hand...
Just the one, though.
24 Drew Says: Indian Yoga versus Irish Yoga:
http://myjunkmail.blogspot.com.....-pics.html
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Not true, Irish Yoga enthusiasts never, ever fall over.
Never!
27 Proud2bHumble Says: Aaaawwwww, chimpy looks like such a fungi.
Let’s give him a hand…
Just the one, though.
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Today's news:
1. Spitzer major coverage.
2. Geraldine Ferraro, major coverage
3. Iraq report, almost none
4. Obama wins Missisippi minor coverage.
Did anything else happen in the world today?
Yes, Ron.
In the last three day 12 American soldiers were killed in Iraq.
Roark77 Hussein @ 26:
Cool. I'm with you on that.
Ron @ 31:
We managed to stay alive one more day? I'm thinkin' that's newsworthy these days.
Proud2bHumble @ 17:
im avg and aging....but that isnt what prices are based on
i can show you pics of call girls who indeed are worth the asking price, mostly because they are models or professional women
this gal left home at 17 and has no college education
usually when a man pays over a k for service, its full service, which includes chit chat
i highly doubt that a 22 year old musician is much of a conversationalist
and im not ashamed to say that i have had experience in the hobby....no where near the 80k that spitzer spent, but enough to know that when you pay very high fees, you get lots more than the old in and out
Oh yeah, some more soldiers killed in Iraq. Wasn't a headliner.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 18:
593
Yesterday's contributions
The Big Pile O'McAKA's
Thanks for asking. You know, a vamplister can only enter your thread if invited, fool.(hehehe)
What does it say about a society that has college educated call girls?
Ron @ 31:
NO SHIT.
Food Prices are Skyrocketing Worldwide ~ Washington Post
Hi 2b and xiotes.
Ron @ 31:
Markets went negative again after avoiding a major meltdown last Friday.
Drew @ 24:
LOLOLOL!
40 Orangutan. Says:
Food Prices are Skyrocketing Worldwide ~ Washington Post
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Bush is in no danger.
He can always eat his words.
slippy (#4), the audio is the BEST PART. No: it's the only truly good part of the clip. The rest is tragedy.
L.A. Confidential @ 33:
Yer both retarded then.
lol (kidding - don't ban me bro!!)
xoites@32 Twelve dead in Iraq and Fallon pushed out over Iran. Not to mention major bombings across Iraq and heavy civilian casualities in the last week or so. At least Fallon got some media mention.
Iran is a lot closer then most people think. The drumbeat is getting louder within the Army, that's for sure.
38 xoites Hussein defends Constitution Says: What does it say about a society that has college educated call girls?
Education works.
Because the CIA Controls Much of the Media, and Defense Contractors Own Some Networks, How About calling it the "Military-Entertainment Complex"?
The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.
— William Colby, former CIA director
Look up "Project Mockingbird"
Is Everyone Just Waiting Until Someone ELSE Stands Up Against Tyranny? (then we'll maybe think about it?)
44 xoites Hussein defends Constitution Says: 40 Orangutan. Says:
Food Prices are Skyrocketing Worldwide ~ Washington Post
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Bush is in no danger.
He can always eat his words.
He will have a steady diet of South American cuisine down in Paraguay.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 35:
He was probably paying xtra so she wouldn't talk...I understand he used to prosecute them? I haven't been following...
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 38:
We get some smart cookies?
Ron @ 41:
Hello, my friend(s).
Here's one for a blog posting. McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
47 Roark77 Hussein Says: xoites@32 Twelve dead in Iraq and Fallon pushed out over Iran. Not to mention major bombings across Iraq and heavy civilian casualities in the last week or so. At least Fallon got some media mention.
Iran is a lot closer then most people think. The drumbeat is getting louder within the Army, that’s for sure.
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Yes, i heard a few stories on Fallon. More political gamesmanship by the Bush Admin. They think everything they touch turns to gold. Maybe for them it does, but the brain drain on this government is profound.
During elections 00 and 04 Democrats didn't even have the GUTS to show clips of that freak sticking his middle finger up to the cameras?
re : #35 uncle joe mccarthy's ''chit chat"
" ..research showed that, in more than 40 percent of the liaisons between johns and prostitutes at this high price point, no sexual intercourse actually occurred. "It's an expensive conversation" ...
EliteLemming @ 48:
Didja catch yer McAKA?
Proud2bHumble @ 46:
LOL. Go to your room.
CappuccettoRosso @ 57:
Oral sex?
(sorry C, couldn't resist) ;-}
frankie @ 54:
Sick stuff.
McCain's going to holler “sissy” at Obama on the question of Iraq, and Obama will tack right and try to out-Man McCain.
54 frankie Says: Here’s one for a blog posting. McCain’s Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
They are the false prophets.
You just can't make this shit up:
Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church
Orangutan. @ 40:
I fear we are entering into the 'Mad Max' phase
L.A. Confidential @ 59:
I can't leave my mom's basement right now. She has 'company'. I think I'm gonna have a new uncle soon...
ferrofluid @ 64:
I knew I shoulda bought that dune buggy on eBay!
If Obama is smart, he'll launch a preemptive strike against the idea of going to war with the Iranians – before the president acts.
ferrofluid@64 In that case we ought to build a Thunderdome. Then the presidental candidates could just meet inside it and the President is the one that is left standing.
I could just imagine Wolf Blitzer and Tweety trying to do commentary on that.
66 Proud2bHumble Says: ferrofluid @ 64:
Orangutan. @ 40:
Food Prices are Skyrocketing Worldwide ~ Washington Post
I fear we are entering into the ‘Mad Max’ phase
I knew I shoulda bought that dune buggy on eBay!
You can't afford gas for a dune buggy if you're still living in the basement at your mom's.
Uncle Ron
"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month."
--CIA operative, discussing the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. Katherine the Great, by Deborah Davis
"There is quite an incredible spread of relationships. You don’t need to manipulate Time magazine, for example, because there are [Central Intelligence] Agency people at the management level."
--William B. Bader, former CIA intelligence officer, briefing members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein
"The Agency's relationship with [The New York] Times was by far its most valuable among newspapers, according to CIA officials. [It was] general Times policy ... to provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible."
--The CIA and the Media, by Carl Bernstein
"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the government.... I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations."
--former President Harry Truman, in a letter to the Washington Post, one month after the JFK assassination, December 21, 1963
uncle joe mccarthy @ 6:
she looks like any common street-hooker nothing special.
looks like a good chance of catching an std.
Ron @ 69:
LOL!
But I been practicin on the video game for a whole year!
P.S. Mom still lafs when yer name comes up...says for that one week, you were a very impotent part of her life, hehe.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 63:
and, he supports McInsane ... Rev.Parsleyholy looks as he is already afflicted w/mad cow ...
CappuccettoRosso @ 73:
Bush can go into Iran before the election, Obama versus McCain I think I already know the answer to that. The anti war people better get off their butts, forget Hillary and start making some noise.
proud 2B
Don't come up stairs. We are talking about some very important "THINGS."
L.A. Confidential @ 74:
Woo
Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 76:
Right
Where's the organ grinder?
Ruthless People Hussein @ 78:
You concerned about the economy?
CappuccettoRosso @ 73:
That must be why he likes to say 'mooooooore mooooooore' as he milks his flock.
78 Ruthless People Hussein Says: Where’s the organ grinder?
Hey, leave my organ alone.
Daily Show did a great job going after Geraldine Ferraro of the CFR and regularly after bush, not that it takes a lot of bravery to do so , but when it is also a stage for some of the most despicable people around , we have a problem NASA .
Are these the compromises we have to make , to maintain our fantasies and daily chuckle .
I find it strange , that Grover Norquist a guy Abramhoff called greedy , (damnnn), and the bag man for him and Reed , when they ripped off Native American tribes for hundreds of thousands , is on the Daily Show hocking his BOOK .
But he's in good company , also on the Daliy Show was Dictator Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan and William Kristol selling books and another dozen of so NEOCONS or CFR members . coming on the Lourdes of Laughter , to regain a little bit of humanity .
I guess in a prefect world you would hear a so called liberal say..." hey you are a despicable human being and you're not coming on my show , to pimp your book " .
They own both sides people , give up your fantasies .
L.A. Confidential @ 79:
Yes, but I was referring to the dancing chimp in the video.
What Hillary WOULD have said at 3:00 am
http://mainvideo.net/home/comedy/if-hillary-clinton-really-answered-the-...
L.A. Confidential @ 74:
Speaking of getting off butts:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23595533/
And I thought my life was occasionally pitiful....
Ron @ 31:
yes
oil closes day at $109.90/barrel
the u s is close to a superinflationary surge like s america had a few years back
bush and cheney have raped the u s .
chimpy can tap dance his sorry ass out the door.
Gerry is a crabby butch.
Hillary can lie her ass off too. Why would she declare MI and FL votes were obtained fairly? When she knows damn well that the votes were obtained against policy regulations. This doesn't look good on her part. she is chimpy-ish, changing the rules and chastising Obama as if he were a child. Disgusting as hell, lady.
Also I hate her what ifs and gotcha questions. What if blah, blah, yadda, yadda, bs, bs 3 am, terror, fear.
Hillary: ANSWER THAT MR. BLACK MAN.
My response: What if your ass caught fire and you received that 3 am call. Would you put the flames out or answer the phone?
Hillary is the same old same old.
Like a poster said, if Obama were white the show would be over.
Go Obama
Go USA
Ron @ 75:
Small talk, from what I've heard, lol.
Yuma considers a Dark Ages approach to immigration.
A vote for McCain is a vote to recognize
global warming. Though he's still for
war with Iran and/or N. Korea. Bush is either a liar, or is working with Diebold again.
Dancing Chimp, Rappin Rove or this chick http://youtube.com/watch?v=9ozU4KcvIZ0
Orangutan. @ 40:
wheat price is up 173%
there will be no bread or cake to eat this time.
french rev will soon be american revolution II
off with bush, cheney and condi's heads......slice and dice time.
Orangutan. @ 5:
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Ain't that a shame.
Son, run. Run far away from the nuts.
He's probably the only sane one in his family.
dadams @ 86:
Feds latest bailout this week is a 28 days supply of "paper".
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 87:
lol
I didn't wanna say anything, but you seem to have filled out a little in the middle of yer moniker there, GaMe.
;}
As we used to say in the car sales business, "There's a seat for every butt."
Keith Olberman's little SCREECH out over Ferraro's comment's about Obama's candidacy and his race for the nomination went TOO FAR. Hillary had nothing absolutly nothing to do with those comments right or wrong and Olberman and his producers made it all about her and went on the attack. FUCK YOU MSNBC if the Democratic party implodes over race and sexism it's the CORPORATE MEDIA that will take ALL BLAME. I hope your ratings SUCK as much as your 'special fat ed comments did".
88 Proud2bHumble Says: Ron @ 75:
proud 2B
Don’t come up stairs. We are talking about some very important “THINGS.”
Small talk, from what I’ve heard, lol.
Damn, he's listening. Quiet down the moaning.
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 92:
I think the family's problem is that he's crawling toward the nuts...theyr'e still bigoted retarded homophobes, just didn't want him to think you were on their side, is all, hehe.
Danny @ 96:
i don't understand, did something upset you?
Good evening all. The air seems somewhat clearer up here. Much shit disturbing, as my dad would have said, is taking place down below as we speak.
Ron @ 97:
Just pay her and leave, unc. 'The most effective whoremoan treatment.'
Looks like I get my allowance this week.
Peter G @ 100:
Did you take care of that Concern of yours?
101 Proud2bHumble Says: Ron @ 97:
88 Proud2bHumble Says: Ron @ 75:
proud 2B
Don’t come up stairs. We are talking about some very important “THINGS.”
Small talk, from what I’ve heard, lol.
Damn, he’s listening. Quiet down the moaning.
Just pay her and leave, unc. ‘The most effective whoremoan treatment.’
LOL and someone said you weren't funny.
Danny@96 HRC had as much control over those comments as BHO had over Power's 'monster' comment. BHO responded quickly and decisively and Power was gone. HRC failed to respond decisively or quickly.
Using caps doesn't help you make a point. It just makes you look silly. And "special fat ed" doesn't even make sense. I am glad you left the 'ic' on the end of Democratic. We all thank you for that.
Proud2bHumble @ 27:
AAAAAHHHHHHHH
OMG
You should put a warning on the first pic.
How did you find such a pic?
Peter G @ 100:
And only 27 Comments on McCain.
Talk about losing sight of the ball.
Peter G @100 Close the door before you let them all in.
L.A.@107 Poor McCain keeps failing to get any media attention. He keeps falling off everyone's radar.
106 tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe Says: Proud2bHumble @ 27:
Aaaawwwww, chimpy looks like such a fungi.
Let’s give him a hand…
Just the one, though.
AAAAAHHHHHHHH
OMG
You should put a warning on the first pic.
How did you find such a pic?
Whoa, hands off!
Proud2bHumble @ 103:
I am reflecting on advice received regarding temperance. My little Concern was, in fact, one of the leading churners of fecal matter down below and I believe I shall let my explosion occur naturally, as opportunity presents.
L.A. Confidential @ 107:
I know. I keep revisiting the thread but I believe I was the last poster. I refuse to believe all taxonomic possibilities are exhausted.
As soon as we get a nominee, things will be reversed except for the negative 527s, which will be broadcast on every channel and we won't hear or see our nominee until after November.
CappuccettoRosso @ 73:
I heard that nut. He's insane. It just proves anybody can pretend to be a Christian.
He's riding on Obama coattails.
Doesn't he remind you of the old fat man in the Boondock cartoon? The guy with the one big eye and the one little eye.
Ron @ 104:
Luv playin with my friends, bro...haven't given up on makin more of them just yet.
Site monitor, why don't I have a quote button or a refresh comments button?
[Probably because you are using IE7. MS made a mistake. Shocking. That's never happened. Now they'll have to design a patch for it. It doesn't read all the script that runs on this site. You can refresh with the browser's refresh, or if you have a simple keyboard, F5. I use Firefox, and don't have that or many other IE problems-Sitemonitor]
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 25:
I was reprimanded once at this site once during a fit of psychic turmoil in which I made the connection between the back of Joe Lieberman's skull and a feverishly operated baseball bat.That was wrong of me.
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 106:
Teh google images "skin fungi", lol gladja likey..
Ron@113 We all know that T. Boone Pickens is just waiting to get his 527 up and running again. He's sitting on his billions and waiting to get pointed in the right direction.
He's probably ready to push Obama as a fifth column muslim or ready to fire at Bill Clinton over Ron Burkle sex flights or something silly like that.
Ron @ 117:
Try a different browser, i.e., Firefox.
Proud2bHumble @ 94:
I'm the Hussein diet to succeed.
Ron @ 110:
Ya may not go blind, but ya better wash yer hands after...
Peter G @ 111:
Sometimes best not to do it in a crowd...
Peter G @ 112:
I could use the break, as could some others, I've noticed, lol.
dadams @ 91:
that's the result of biofuels nonsense .. biof are also Greenhouse Threat
and:
Pollution Is Called a Byproduct of a ‘Clean’ Fuel
war for WATER is around the corner..
Obama: Thou shalt not fear Iran
Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:38:04
Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni says the international community should support the Zionist regime's dual strategy toward Tehran.
In a Tuesday phone conversation with US presidential candidate Barack Obama, Livni claimed Israel has decided to defend itself against regional threats like Hamas and Iran by using diplomacy and aggression at the same time.
"In the Middle East, there is a direct connection between terror and Iran. The ability to succeed with our strategy depends on the determined and unwavering stance of the international community against terror and against Iran," Livni said.
Obama, for his part, said he would support the Zionist regime's efforts to bring Iran's nuclear program to a halt.
Political pundits believe leading US candidates are queuing up to prove their inflexible stance on Iran as part of an effort to curry favor with the Zionist regime, Washington's number one ally in the Middle East.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=47160§ionid=3510203
And by the way, ya'll coulda left me on a church hospital doorstep, at least...sniff...snifff...
pinkobait @ 118:
LOL I received my site monitor tune up for what I regarded as some rather pithy remarks relating to the awesome ability of a particular moron to actually type if not make sense.
[GonzoD and I made up-Sitemonitor]
pinkobait @ 118:
not when ya put it that way, hehe
L.A. Confidential @ 74:
w/ Fallon's resignation (or, firing ?) how much are we closer to War? sheeple too busy w/Gerry-beeeeach, Spitzer-Ho-Escapades, etc., never boring ..
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 122:
Could I humbly suggest tHeGaMeHuSsEinOfLiFe ? You know I love yer curvy figure...
Kahoneez @ 82:
Yeah I know. I've been disappointed to say the least in Jon Stewart. His correspondent really put down the girls from CodePink for protesting in Berkley too. He seems to sell out pretty easily to the neo-cons in my opinion. I hope he is sharper with them comedically in the future.
CappuccettoRosso @ 126:
That's sure to turn into a real pissing contest.
Orangutan. @ 49:
It won't be a riot, it will be a revolution.
When the time is right, it will happen with a feeling.
All due respect to the sitemonitors but,I have to say, you are not nearly as intimidating as a Grey Sister though I am sure you smell ever so much better.
gotta go for an hour or so...I'll miss ya'll, even you fancycoffee ;-p ;-)
Peter G @ 129:
Pithy?Ah.Quite so...
CappuccettoRosso @ 131:
I'd put my money on an incursion into Iran right around the end of August. Bush comes from the Republican school of timing and the end of August would be politically advantageous to McCain at the Repub Convention.
L.A. Confidential @ 127:
How dare Israel call Obama and threaten the US. How dare they tell the US what to do.
This isn't Palestine.
Q; What do you call a collage educated hooker?
A; A smart ass or a conversation piece!
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 140:
How do we know ? Ocean is not wide enough - AIPAC rules.
Roark77 Hussein @ 139:
I also think that would be perfect timing - right after that kids go back to school, election (IF ???), then TurkeyDay, Christmas - no time for pretty American heads to think of it. There is one BUT: which army/resources will go there ? Most probably the new preznit will start Jan 21st w/ draft. Nice gift to the dems ?!
uncle joe mccarthy @ 6:
The President was college educated, but look what he turned out to be.
College educated? He only got in and out 'cause he was a bush.
He's all scumbag and sticking his middle finger up our ass.
lafin gas @ 141:
Hahaha
CappuccettoRosso @ 143:
Expanded bonuses would up recruitment rates a bit but you're right about there not being enough manpower to go around without a draft. I could see private contractors being expanded as well.
I imagine that they'd go in heavily with airstrikes for a very long time without much in the way of a ground presence. To commit ground troops they'd need some kind of mission plan (even a typically Bush bad plan) and I still don't know what they imagine would be their mission in Iran.
Oil 110.20 a barrel.
Poop.
Danny @ 96:
Weak.
"Senator No" Howard Metzenbaum died peacefully at his home in Fort Lauderdale, FL. He was 90 years old. He replaced Republican Saxbe, whom accepted the US AG job in 1974. Metzenbaum lost the 1974 primary election against Taft. He ran again in 1976 against John Glenn and won the primary and general election. He held his seat until 1994. In 1994, Mark DeWine beat Metzenbaum. One Senator (forgot his name) accused Metzenbaum as being a Communist. Another Senator, a Republican, made a racial slur about his faith (Judaism). Ohioans remembered him as a tough liberal... Tough on antitrust laws, etc. You did a great service to our country, Mr. Metzenbaum!
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