I agree, it would be fresh and nice to see some new faces up there. Not that I dislike your current show, but it would certainly spice things up a bit.
I like Keith and his political commentary but...... the show sucks.
I don't think its the political commentators that are regular, sometimes too regular, its the fact that TMZ and guest hosts from VH1 and E! distract from the important bits. I don't think Countdown needs to steep to the level of Inside Edition to cover the real news. Just keep it real, and tell it like it is. Even Edward R. Murrow covered celebrity news without the hoo-hah.
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
I heartily agree, Mr. Amato. Now might be a good time to mention that I've noticed that lately Countdown has stopped doing all the crappy celebrity gossip stuff, which I always thought severely hampered Olbermann's credibility. (There was a brief segment yesterday, but for the most part I think KO has used his new-found clout to give the show a more serious tone.) At the same time, he seems to not be absent as much. He used to be on vacation about every other week. Although, it was weird that a week or so ago he just disappeared in the middle of the program.
I so agree...Keith has been pulled into the DARK SIDE...now trolling for Obama like Matthews and the other MSNBC groupies...he's into the HATE CLINTON meme and pushing it for all it's worth...lost all credibility with us...and, yes, extend that group to the fool that used to be on ROLL CALL and some of the ANDREA and other insipid women he grabs to tell us what folks are really saying (cause we're all just too lazy or stupid to listen to ALL of what they say and decide for ourselves)...DISGUSTED...
I was surprised to see Joe Madison on one of those shows. Another good one is Bernie Kincaid.
Then again John and Nicole (and others from this site) would be good too.
John and Nicole would be awesome. It's time for opinions from people that are not party insider hacks. Real people from the real world that are affected daily by all things political.
OOPS...it's late for me...hubby in hospital, kid/grandkids here for a visit...me TIRED AND CRABBY and totally sick of the whole campaign as manipulated by our MSM
But before complaining about Keith please explain the rude and boorish Morning Joe. I have more respect for Don Imus, Imus actually got a lot out of his guests. Joe just burps, farts, and makes idiotic declarations.
Maddow and Mika, now that's a show. With some occasional input from Zbigniew. I love the comment about his travel agent.
Here is my MSNBC beef: Note to network, Tucker Carlson's show had bad ratings and was cut because he is a worm and we don't want to hear him. Why in the world would you now put him as a guest host on almost every show? Now we have to listen to him all day long instead of just avoiding his hour of programming. He's on now from Moring Joe to Olberman...can't get away from him! Ugh!
Get rid of the bum - he needs to move to Faux!
KO should have Rick Mercer on to give his "foreign correspondence" take on all things political. Or Lewis Black. A comedian would be an instant hit because for the last 7 years, they have been the only honest reporters in the entire media.
There is a good point here: by having only a few repeated commentators it appears that there are not that many Liberal/Progressives in the population. (just Pete and repeat, sorry) If you would be so good as to reach out to some others, and their numbers are vast, it would lend credibility not only to you and your show, but to the real America that we all know and Love. Peace.
John
Oh yeah... Laura Flanders always looks good on Camera! ;-)
No more Rachel Maddow. Give her her own show instead. Such intelligence in discussion is refreshing and very unusual.
Agreed! It should be remembered that she is Dr. Rachel Maddow (Political Science), a Stanford Grad and a Rhodes Scholar.
Yet like people of real intelligence she doesn't throw that around or feel the need to hide behind credentials or talk down to anyone. She's quick witted, funny as hell, highly perceptive, down to earth and 100% authentically charming.
I'd add: just give BillO the "Worst Person in the World Lifetime Achievement Award" and disqualify him from future nomination. You're just feeding the troll.
I'm down to watching Dan Abrams. Never could watch Tucker, tried Chrissy, but his adoration for Ann Coulter turned me away from him, and Keith....Keith has changed.
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
Get real dude! The Great Orange Satan would revoke Keith's diary priviledges
if KO did that.
This is about important stuff man. Status, who get's the chicks, $$$$ and being able to get that second house.
Keith ain't about to rock the boat. That would be just dumb.
I'd add: just give BillO the "Worst Person in the World Lifetime Achievement Award" and disqualify him from future nomination. You're just feeding the troll.
Now, that's the truth!!! The more talk about that blithering idiot, the more famous and rich he gets. Surely there is someone else out there deserving of Worst Person in the World press.
No more Rachel Maddow. Give her her own show instead. Such intelligence in discussion is refreshing and very unusual.
Agreed! It should be remembered that she is Dr. Rachel Maddow (Political Science), a Stanford Grad and a Rhodes Scholar.
Yet like people of real intelligence she doesn't throw that around or feel the need to hide behind credentials or talk down to anyone. She's quick witted, funny as hell, highly perceptive, down to earth and 100% authentically charming.
But she's like....she's a....dang, she's a woman! That's just....well it's embarrassing for the guys to have to deal with. Especially given that they are....
...dumber than she is.
But hey! Sexism, it's the new black....if ya know what I mean.
No more Rachel Maddow. Give her her own show instead. Such intelligence in discussion is refreshing and very unusual.
Agreed! It should be remembered that she is Dr. Rachel Maddow (Political Science), a Stanford Grad and a Rhodes Scholar.
Yet like people of real intelligence she doesn't throw that around or feel the need to hide behind credentials or talk down to anyone. She's quick witted, funny as hell, highly perceptive, down to earth and 100% authentically charming.
But she's like....she's a....dang, she's a woman! That's just....well it's embarrassing for the guys to have to deal with. Especially given that they are....
...dumber than she is.
But hey! Sexism, it's the new black....if ya know what I mean.
Perhaps you meant she is more inteligent than they are?
What I would really love to see are some wingnuts for Keith to put in place. They wouldn't have a prayer against Olbermann. KO would eloquently dismantle their philosophy of pseudo-conservatism since this philosophy is flagrantly flawed from the root base. I would suggest "any" FOX News or Talk Radio right-wing fringe venomous hack. Could this be the beginning of the long needed return of the Fairness Doctrine?
I grew up as a kid around celebrities. By the time I was 5 yrs old I understood they were just weird people like all the other weird adults. By the time I was 10 yrs old I realized nothing had changed and they were still all weird adults. Now that I'm adult I see I was basically right.
There is a good point here: by having only a few repeated commentators it appears that there are not that many Liberal/Progressives in the population. (just Pete and repeat, sorry) If you would be so good as to reach out to some others, and their numbers are vast, it would lend credibility not only to you and your show, but to the real America that we all know and Love. Peace.
John
Oh yeah... Laura Flanders always looks good on Camera! ;-)
Laura Flanders
Katrina Vandenheuvel
Stephanie Miller
Randi Rhodes
Tell Matthews we've seen enough and heard enough of Pat Buchanan. His shrill voice gets shriller as he talks about Obama. His love for McCain is obvious.
K.O. needs to rotate his guests once in awhile. They are beginning to repeat themselves. Love Rachel but he always seems to hurry her along. She is by far the most interesting and best informed of any of them.
Fri, 03/21/2008 - 21:52 — Divorced one like Bush (not verified)
The following was sent to Keith the night of his coverage of Sen Obama's speech on race:
Hello,
I have just watched your coverage of Senator Obama's speech. I was surprised at the approach you took. You acknowledge, I sense with some restraint of journalistic neutrality that this was an historic speech. Yet you missed completely (unless I'm just writing too soon) the follow through, the gift that was handed to you or any other news person by Senator Obama.
This speech was the opening for any news reporter of your position (a national news TV reporter) to be a part of the history of this presidential election and of this speech. You or they just had to report what was said, and then continued forward to move the discussion of race. You had 2 perfect commentators on, and yet they were only used to comment on the strategy of the giving of the speech. This moment created by Senator Obama was just perfect in all applications of the word for one who models their presentation on and dare I say aspires to the motivations of Mr. Morrow. This speech handed off to anyone an opportunity to go beyond the frankness of your special comments to accomplishing what is implied with your giving of the special comments; real, focused, cognitively challenging discussion with the intent to move society another step in the journey to "a more perfect union".
Instead, you then continued on asking (via a sideman) a question that is the historic representation of all that is wrong with the media you work in: Is the public too stupid to get it? Your guest answered yes!
Mr. Olbermann, if the public is to stupid to get it, if those who tune into your show every night to hear you speak to them are too stupid to get it, then Mr. Olbermann, your audience is too stupid to understand your special comments. How you could not catch the insult you made to your audience by asking such a question when you expect your audience to thoroughly comprehend your special comments is just beyond me. I might add, that you obviously have had feed back that your audience, which is growing, gets it. They get all of it. Every last word of every special comment you have made. How could you have not seen this error of logic?
Mr. Olbermann, you made your self number 3 in the worst persons for this broad cast. And you apologized. Do you see where I'm headed? The error I am relaying to you is not an error of fact which honorable journalism requires a correction. You sir have erred in judgement of your audience's character. In doing that you have flatly denigrated your audience in the most arrogant manor of communication: A manor of communication that is the very action railed against by those who have promoted your show through out the Internet of reality: condensation of the intelligence of the citizens of America. You assumed they are stupid, and worse, conducted a discussion based on that implication with a colleague.
Do you not see that this is the very same conduct as that orated by Senator Obama when he spoke: the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning.
The second most segregated hour is the national news broadcast Mr. Olbermann. That is, if you do not accept your audience as a colleague in the sojourn of "a more perfect union".
Mr. Olberman, the entire message, the complete purpose of Senator Obama talking about the self interpretation which each race holds regarding their experience of life in America was for this one line: Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk...
That was your que. You missed it...completely missed.
Fri, 03/21/2008 - 21:53 — Emma Hussein Goldman (not verified)
For that matter, I think the show would be much improved if coverage of Britney Spears, P Hilt, and Lin Lo was dropped. I'm pretty sick of those drugged-up bimbos. There has to be something better. I know the show needs ratings, but sweet Jesus!!!
a lot of this is just preaching to the converted. rachel and keith agreeing, me watching them agreeing. boriiiinnnnggggggggggly predictable. time to concentrate on debating those from the darkside. one to one on national tv. keith is more than up to the job.
For that matter, I think the show would be much improved if coverage of Britney Spears, P Hilt, and Lin Lo was dropped. I'm pretty sick of those drugged-up bimbos. There has to be something better. I know the show needs ratings, but sweet Jesus!!!
My understanding is his network forces him to do that.
Josh Marshall from Talking Points Memo, Steve Clemons from The Washington Note, Randi Rhodes from Air America and Big Ed Schultz would be great and welcome additions to KO's show but instead we get Pat Buchanan and Schmucker Carlson.
Oh yeah! Lose that idiot who comments on "Celebrities". I can't recall his name because he's nauseatingly not-funny. He's the one with black hair and glasses, like an Italian Gene Shalit. LOSE HIM.
How much control does Keith have over this? Or do the "producers" make those calls.
While we're at it: how about Juan Cole. Further, how about a credible media critic: John Nichols, Norman Solomon, Jeff Cohen, Robert Greenwald. Speaking of Greenwald .......
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
Dear Dead Horse Beater. You are apparently too stupid to absorb this, but you are wrong on both counts. He wasn't there during the main overplayed sermon, and learned about it much later. He HAD heard him say some inflammatory things in other instances, however. Of course, none of that matters one bit, and if you can't figure that out, we'll just have to make sure we can find enough voters with IQs over 70 to make up for your ilk.
John, don't beat around the bush. We know that you want to be on the show. I am sure if you are nice he will let you on.
Actually, this criticism should be directed at all the news shows. How many times have we seen Pat Buchanan vs. Rachael Maddow? While we are at it, why do all the discussions end in a yelling match? The host is supposed to be a moderator, which means facilitating the discussion, not picking sides. And why do these crazed right-wingers have their own show? David Brooks and Andrew Sullivan are both rational, respectable conservatives that deserve their own shows.
Which brings up another point: Why doesn’t Keith Olbermann have dissenting voices on his show? I understand that he is supposed to balance out Bill O’reilly, but they are many conservatives (like the two I previously mention) that wouldn’t ruin the flow of the discussion and provide a more balance viewpoint.
John, I must respectfully dissent today with you, and I hope you address my post here:
I think C&L has played it way too safe to avoid offending Barack and/or Hillary supporters - I think you have avoided and delayed many controversial topics amongst Dems, and for this I can't support your letter here attacking KO's show for not being diverse enough in views. At least the people on KO's are decisive and open.
Example: Snipergate. The video is out there and spreading like wildfire, showing very clearly that Hillary lied about her Bosnia trip, showing her safely having a greet on the tarmac with an 8 year old girl, not running to her car under sniper fire as she has repeatedly asserted. It is a majorly damaging gaffe and regardless of who it offends is the type of thing that would be on C&L within minutes if it had been McCain.
If you want to be upset with KO's show, fine, it doesnt bother me - what does bother me is pointing out other reporters' flaws when in my opinion you have been very lack to address the glaring flaws of C&L during this primary.
In defense of C&L my understanding is that the staff is split on who they want to get the nominee and have agreed to endorse neither.
Not endorsing does not justify not reporting. I don't want C&L to turn into Taylor Marsh or Andrew Sullivan level partisanship - I just want them to address reality.
Then someone should go count the times that video was mentioned in the threads.
I grew up as a kid around celebrities. By the time I was 5 yrs old I understood they were just weird people like all the other weird adults. By the time I was 10 yrs old I realized nothing had changed and they were still all weird adults. Now that I'm adult I see I was basically right.
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
Dear Dead Horse Beater. You are apparently too stupid to absorb this, but you are wrong on both counts. He wasn't there during the main overplayed sermon, and learned about it much later. He HAD heard him say some inflammatory things in other instances, however. Of course, none of that matters one bit, and if you can't figure that out, we'll just have to make sure we can find enough voters with IQs over 70 to make up for your ilk.
I'm sorry,I haven't heard any of them address this.Had it been Sen Clinton,I'm sure you would have felt the same.......right?
John, I must respectfully dissent today with you, and I hope you address my post here:
I think C&L has played it way too safe to avoid offending Barack and/or Hillary supporters - I think you have avoided and delayed many controversial topics amongst Dems, and for this I can't support your letter here attacking KO's show for not being diverse enough in views. At least the people on KO's are decisive and open.
Example: Snipergate. The video is out there and spreading like wildfire, showing very clearly that Hillary lied about her Bosnia trip, showing her safely having a greet on the tarmac with an 8 year old girl, not running to her car under sniper fire as she has repeatedly asserted. It is a majorly damaging gaffe and regardless of who it offends is the type of thing that would be on C&L within minutes if it had been McCain.
If you want to be upset with KO's show, fine, it doesnt bother me - what does bother me is pointing out other reporters' flaws when in my opinion you have been very lack to address the glaring flaws of C&L during this primary.
there IS something to be said for 'safety-first' manner in which C&L operates, but they have several key contributors, so maybe you need to cite the specifics of the bias you appear to recognize. they do often appear to be behind other blogs in the exposing of the reichwing.
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
Because he didn't do a 180.
Eugene Robinson did a phone interview with him after his speech and asked him to clarify. He said he was NEVER in church when Wright made anti-American remarks, but he was there when he said some extreme things in regards to relationships and the responsibilities of men. Eugene said this on Hardball, Shuster's show, and on Countdown.
Why people keep saying he did a 180 when he did clarify to Eugene Robinson on the record, it is beyond me. It's probably the same reason the media keeps acting like this Democratic race is tied when there's less than a 5% chance that Clinton will actually win at this point.
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
Dear Dead Horse Beater. You are apparently too stupid to absorb this, but you are wrong on both counts. He wasn't there during the main overplayed sermon, and learned about it much later. He HAD heard him say some inflammatory things in other instances, however. Of course, none of that matters one bit, and if you can't figure that out, we'll just have to make sure we can find enough voters with IQs over 70 to make up for your ilk.
I'm sorry,I haven't heard any of them address this.Had it been Sen Clinton,I'm sure you would have felt the same.......right?
I do not like Hillary. i think everyone knows that by now.
But i go berzerk when people try to smear her, or McCain for that matter.
We need to fight fair, we need to get our facts straight and we need to make decisions, as a nation, about who is going to run the country in a rational way.
Dear Dead Horse Beater. You are apparently too stupid to absorb this, but you are wrong on both counts. He wasn't there during the main overplayed sermon, and learned about it much later. He HAD heard him say some inflammatory things in other instances, however. Of course, none of that matters one bit, and if you can't figure that out, we'll just have to make sure we can find enough voters with IQs over 70 to make up for your ilk.
I'm sorry,I haven't heard any of them address this.Had it been Sen Clinton,I'm sure you would have felt the same.......right?
I do not like Hillary. i think everyone knows that by now.
But i go berzerk when people try to smear her, or McCain for that matter.
We need to fight fair, we need to get our facts straight and we need to make decisions, as a nation, about who is going to run the country in a rational way.
Dirty politics robs us of our future.
agreed x. you know i like and respect you and your opinion.I have yet to see an impartial account of this matter.You know how i feel about both candidates.I'm just lookin for some truth.
Matt Taibi is an uncouth simpleton. I actually find Howard Fineman quite refreshing, especially when he lets loose on the Clintons and their shinanigans. More variety would be nice, though.
Dear Dead Horse Beater. You are apparently too stupid to absorb this, but you are wrong on both counts. He wasn't there during the main overplayed sermon, and learned about it much later. He HAD heard him say some inflammatory things in other instances, however. Of course, none of that matters one bit, and if you can't figure that out, we'll just have to make sure we can find enough voters with IQs over 70 to make up for your ilk.
Always so refreshing to see someone favoring the man who touts "Hope" speak so nicely to another human being. Snark aside, you haven't updated your information. Mr. Obama has said both that he knew and that he didn't hear the remarks of his preacher. In twenty years of attendance, it's hard to make a case that he didn't know what his preacher/mentor believed.
My problem isn't with what Wright said, but rather with Mr. O's tight-wire act.
John, I must respectfully dissent today with you, and I hope you address my post here:
I think C&L has played it way too safe to avoid offending Barack and/or Hillary supporters - I think you have avoided and delayed many controversial topics amongst Dems, and for this I can't support your letter here attacking KO's show for not being diverse enough in views. At least the people on KO's are decisive and open.
Example: Snipergate. The video is out there and spreading like wildfire, showing very clearly that Hillary lied about her Bosnia trip, showing her safely having a greet on the tarmac with an 8 year old girl, not running to her car under sniper fire as she has repeatedly asserted. It is a majorly damaging gaffe and regardless of who it offends is the type of thing that would be on C&L within minutes if it had been McCain.
If you want to be upset with KO's show, fine, it doesnt bother me - what does bother me is pointing out other reporters' flaws when in my opinion you have been very lack to address the glaring flaws of C&L during this primary.
there IS something to be said for 'safety-first' manner in which C&L operates, but they have several key contributors, so maybe you need to cite the specifics of the bias you appear to recognize. they do often appear to be behind other blogs in the exposing of the reichwing.
I'm not accusing C&L of candidate bias at all, I'm accusing them of being slow to report on anything that hurts Hillary --- OR --- Barack. Wright coverage was slow, and Snipergate if covered at all isn't probably coming anytime quickly unless they're pressed or if it explodes to the MSM. Dems deserve to know when one of our own messes up, period - and C&L shouldn't, quite frankly, pussy out - in the fear that they may be accused of bias.
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
PLEASE READ! You need to get a broader perspective.
Oh, this is nothing. You should have seen Keith as a local sports broadcaster in L.A.. He's mellowed with age. Humility has never been one of his problems.
That said, only he and Phil Donahue were willing to take a stand against some very unpopular positions. He probably had to start out with one sided guests as the conservatives were famous for boycotting shows that spoke against them. I think the whining over Obama's refusal to appear on Fox hilarious.
I grew up as a kid around celebrities. By the time I was 5 yrs old I understood they were just weird people like all the other weird adults. By the time I was 10 yrs old I realized nothing had changed and they were still all weird adults. Now that I'm adult I see I was basically right.
Adults are weird.
Dirt please on these celebrities.
Do tell.
Everything there is to know is already known.
I'm not going to start dropping names. Let's just say there are two facades. The one put on for public consumption and the non public one.
Big Names had it a little easier back when I was growing up. They weren't constantly being chased around by paparazzi and battling each other for spotlight time as they are in todays here today gone tomorrow show business environment.
I dont watch Olbermann anymore. I got sick of his constant Hillary bashing months ago and gave up on that show.
I just wish we had a friendly show like Obama has, he has like a dozen, Hillary has none.
John, I must respectfully dissent today with you, and I hope you address my post here:
I think C&L has played it way too safe to avoid offending Barack and/or Hillary supporters - I think you have avoided and delayed many controversial topics amongst Dems, and for this I can't support your letter here attacking KO's show for not being diverse enough in views. At least the people on KO's are decisive and open.
Example: Snipergate. The video is out there and spreading like wildfire, showing very clearly that Hillary lied about her Bosnia trip, showing her safely having a greet on the tarmac with an 8 year old girl, not running to her car under sniper fire as she has repeatedly asserted. It is a majorly damaging gaffe and regardless of who it offends is the type of thing that would be on C&L within minutes if it had been McCain.
If you want to be upset with KO's show, fine, it doesnt bother me - what does bother me is pointing out other reporters' flaws when in my opinion you have been very lack to address the glaring flaws of C&L during this primary.
there IS something to be said for 'safety-first' manner in which C&L operates, but they have several key contributors, so maybe you need to cite the specifics of the bias you appear to recognize. they do often appear to be behind other blogs in the exposing of the reichwing.
I'm not accusing C&L of candidate bias at all, I'm accusing them of being slow to report on anything that hurts Hillary --- OR --- Barack. Wright coverage was slow, and Snipergate if covered at all isn't probably coming anytime quickly unless they're pressed or if it explodes to the MSM. Dems deserve to know when one of our own messes up, period - and C&L shouldn't, quite frankly, pussy out - in the fear that they may be accused of bias.
Well, you won't get real investigative journalism here, if that's what you're looking for.
DHSmd @ 56:
I'm sorry,I haven't heard any of them address this.Had it been Sen Clinton,I'm sure you would have felt the same.......right?
I do not like Hillary. i think everyone knows that by now.
But i go berzerk when people try to smear her, or McCain for that matter.
We need to fight fair, we need to get our facts straight and we need to make decisions, as a nation, about who is going to run the country in a rational way.
Dirty politics robs us of our future.
agreed x. you know i like and respect you and your opinion.I have yet to see an impartial account of this matter.You know how i feel about both candidates.I'm just lookin for some truth.
Not sure of the real issue here. I think Obama is running away from a political firestorm and into a political firestorm.
I happen to agree with Wright, so i find it odd Obama is so afraid to agree as well.
I do not like Hillary. i think everyone knows that by now.
But i go berzerk when people try to smear her, or McCain for that matter.
We need to fight fair, we need to get our facts straight and we need to make decisions, as a nation, about who is going to run the country in a rational way.
Dirty politics robs us of our future.
agreed x. you know i like and respect you and your opinion.I have yet to see an impartial account of this matter.You know how i feel about both candidates.I'm just lookin for some truth.
Not sure of the real issue here. I think Obama is running away from a political firestorm and into a political firestorm.
I happen to agree with Wright, so i find it odd Obama is so afraid to agree as well.
I grew up as a kid around celebrities. By the time I was 5 yrs old I understood they were just weird people like all the other weird adults. By the time I was 10 yrs old I realized nothing had changed and they were still all weird adults. Now that I'm adult I see I was basically right.
Adults are weird.
Dirt please on these celebrities.
Do tell.
Everything there is to know is already known.
I'm not going to start dropping names. Let's just say there are two facades. The one put on for public consumption and the non public one.
Big Names had it a little easier back when I was growing up. They weren't constantly being chased around by paparazzi and battling each other for spotlight time as they are in todays here today gone tomorrow show business environment.
I do not like Hillary. i think everyone knows that by now.
But i go berzerk when people try to smear her, or McCain for that matter.
We need to fight fair, we need to get our facts straight and we need to make decisions, as a nation, about who is going to run the country in a rational way.
Dirty politics robs us of our future.
agreed x. you know i like and respect you and your opinion.I have yet to see an impartial account of this matter.You know how i feel about both candidates.I'm just lookin for some truth.
Not sure of the real issue here. I think Obama is running away from a political firestorm and into a political firestorm.
I happen to agree with Wright, so i find it odd Obama is so afraid to agree as well.
I too think Rev Wright was correct,it's the disavowing and aknowledging him that bothers me.
And Bascombe..........I do read,and I feel I have a broad perspective.Iwill continue to call out either candidate when I see fit.
BaScOmBe.........all I want is honesty,fairness and impartiality.Is that to much to ask?
In previous posts I have been censored for calling out what appears to me to be the very clear biasness of Stephen and Nicole in support of Senator Obama and their love-fest type articles regarding him and his surrogates. So now I find it kind of funny that Mr. Amato would be calling on Mr. Olbermann (one of the biggest Senator Obama cheerleaders around) to mix it up a bit and have different guests.
I know it is the official policy of Crooks & Liars not to announce open support for anyone candidate, but couldn't you guys tone down the not-so-subtle support for a certain candidate?
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 72:
agreed x. you know i like and respect you and your opinion.I have yet to see an impartial account of this matter.You know how i feel about both candidates.I'm just lookin for some truth.
Not sure of the real issue here. I think Obama is running away from a political firestorm and into a political firestorm.
I happen to agree with Wright, so i find it odd Obama is so afraid to agree as well.
I too think Rev Wright was correct,it's the disavowing and aknowledging him that bothers me.
And Bascombe..........I do read,and I feel I have a broad perspective.Iwill continue to call out either candidate when I see fit.
BaScOmBe.........all I want is honesty,fairness and impartiality.Is that to much to ask?
Actually it might just be the most difficult of all requests to fulfill.
CNN, Jon stewart, the NY Times editorial board, SNL, most of the New York media. Hillary ain't doing bad. And she was pretty much crowned before people forced Obama on the press.
I was just thinking, it's funny how Fox gets McCain, CNN Hillary and MSNBC Obama. It almost seems planned. Though I still think Fox is very disappointed over not getting Rudy and since Rupert loves Hillary, we might still see a shift if she wins the nomination.
I dont watch Olbermann anymore. I got sick of his constant Hillary bashing months ago and gave up on that show.
I just wish we had a friendly show like Obama has, he has like a dozen, Hillary has none.
In previous posts I have been censored for calling out what appears to me to be the very clear biasness of Stephen and Nicole in support of Senator Obama and their love-fest type articles regarding him and his surrogates. So now I find it kind of funny that Mr. Amato would be calling on Mr. Olbermann (one of the biggest Senator Obama cheerleaders around) to mix it up a bit and have different guests.
I know it is the official policy of Crooks & Liars not to announce open support for anyone candidate, but couldn't you guys tone down the not-so-subtle support for a certain candidate?
You are asking C&L to be impartial. Are you impartial?
I don't even think news reporters should be impartial.
Not sure of the real issue here. I think Obama is running away from a political firestorm and into a political firestorm.
I happen to agree with Wright, so i find it odd Obama is so afraid to agree as well.
I too think Rev Wright was correct,it's the disavowing and aknowledging him that bothers me.
And Bascombe..........I do read,and I feel I have a broad perspective.Iwill continue to call out either candidate when I see fit.
BaScOmBe.........all I want is honesty,fairness and impartiality.Is that to much to ask?
Actually it might just be the most difficult of all requests to fulfill.
wouldn't it be catagorized as "bashing" if it were incorrect, a lie?
in that respect, i've never seen any "hillary bashing" - just stating the facts...
43 Divorced one like Bush - i appreciate that sentiment... it hadn't really occurred to be before, but i think you are correct...
When I started watching Keith, I felt the same way about the redundancy in guests. I soon realized though, that these few are great experts in the media, and that many of the other's MSNBC keeps on staff are hacks (Scarborough, Tucker, et c.). What happened to Huffington?
That said, fresh meat (like Amato, Belle et al.) would be great.
Also, MudShark's comment early in the thread is off-base, yet right on par with the media talking points. No offense, man. Obama didn't misrepresent or back track. He just responded early in a way that was truthful, but keeping it tight b/c of the media's tendency to over inflate the smallest, dumbest aspects of a story. Sound familiar?
Anyone running for a public office cannot chastise the media due the the backlash, which is fatal. They hold the reigns, unfortunately. And equally unfortunate, they have no soul.
TO begin with, I like Countdown for the most part.
However, I'm a little concerned with Countdown being elevated to the level of gatekeeper for those things on the left. The problem in this day and age isn't that there aren't more programs like Countdown, which is OBVIOUSLY slanted to the left (translation: Democrat), but that there isn't any true objectivity on television anymore.
"Fair and Balanced", no matter who makes the claim, has become a fantasy. And considering what I NOW know about history, I've come to doubt that there's EVER been any true objectivity in the media. It's ALL agenda-driven.
Whether you're a Democrat or Republican, BOTH sides seem to agree on one thing: that they have to DO SOMETHING for us. Well that's all good and fine, until they start forcing ME to DO SOMETHING for THEM...
That was never supposed to be the plan.
Democracy CAN'T be allowed to DEVOLVE into a simple matter of ganging up on the other argument with more votes.
That's just THUGGERY in a suit.
And the cynic in me fears that Countdown may only be the first in a growing list of "Left-leaning" shows, that pull in the "left-leaning" public, so that the message can again be controlled by powerful elites.
I'm sorry folks, but for at least the past TWENTY YEARS I haven't been able to watch television without feeling like I was being herded to a preconceived conclusion.
Thom Hartman, Rachel Maddow - 2 intellects based in progressive thinking - not that the others named are not OK, but more variety would be nice.
And I do agree with others in this thread that Rachel definitely deserves her own TV show - her radio program is awesome.
She's to real for her own show. To get herself a show they'd make her go to media school, training, and by the time they got done with her she'd be polished for TV but just a fraction of her original self if even that.
Rev Wright was quoting US Ambassador Peck's Sept 2001 appearance on Fox News in the "Coming home to roost" sound byte cherry picked from this sermon. The more I research the Reverend Wright and watch the complete sermons, I am convinced this is typical Rovian politics, just this time it is HRC and Mark Penn behind the whispers. This is a non story spun and spoonfed by the media for infotainment purposes.
Not sure of the real issue here. I think Obama is running away from a political firestorm and into a political firestorm.
I happen to agree with Wright, so i find it odd Obama is so afraid to agree as well.
I too think Rev Wright was correct,it's the disavowing and aknowledging him that bothers me.
And Bascombe..........I do read,and I feel I have a broad perspective.Iwill continue to call out either candidate when I see fit.
BaScOmBe.........all I want is honesty,fairness and impartiality.Is that to much to ask?
Actually it might just be the most difficult of all requests to fulfill.
It's politics. There's no such thing as honesty fairness and impartiality. And nobody has zero bias for one candidate or another. It's human nature to favour one candidate over the other, right from the start, unless something is brought up that cancells that.
To be fair: many would argue that Keith was over-reliant on Howard Dean, canned replays from NBC News, and Michael Musto last year. I should know, since I help run http://www.keitholbermann.org and did a nightly story-by-story recap of the show.
I think we could do without Fineman, but Chuck Todd has been getting a lot more rotation into the show to do the "numbers game". I would prefer that Keith try to draw on some of the stronger "experts" from NBC for certain segments on the economic crisis or the continuing malfeasance of the Administration. (I wish he had covered the Bear Stearns collapse more, especially since the Bush Administration arranged for that $30 billion dollar guarantee to J.P. Morgan).
Oddball is a nice respite from the usual dour tone the rest of the show has taken - I would rather keep that and permanently retire "Keeping Tabs" in favor of using the slot for expanding "Worst Person In The World" or to do an Iraq story once in a while (which lately has been lumped into the #3/Bush Administration story).
Christy Harvey, Paul Krugman, Tom Oliphant,
David Brock, Joe Conason, Jim Fallows, Melanie Sloan, David Sirota.
But not Lawrence O'Donnell.
We love you Keith! :)
ITA!! I was just about to post that KO should take a good look at Al Franken's old show, not just for the guest commentators, but also for the format. The commentators were regulars but only on about once a week. (BTW, you forgot Christie Harvey!)
Rachel Maddow is on there pretty much every night now. Yes, she should get her own show. Maybe Keith is still pushing for that? Still, it seems repetitive.
Someone mentioned Catherine Crier upthread. I love her! Why isn't she on tv more?? What about someone like Jim Hightower? Or John Amato?
In previous posts I have been censored for calling out what appears to me to be the very clear biasness of Stephen and Nicole in support of Senator Obama and their love-fest type articles regarding him and his surrogates. So now I find it kind of funny that Mr. Amato would be calling on Mr. Olbermann (one of the biggest Senator Obama cheerleaders around) to mix it up a bit and have different guests.
I know it is the official policy of Crooks & Liars not to announce open support for anyone candidate, but couldn't you guys tone down the not-so-subtle support for a certain candidate?
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Obama has legitimately earned the support he is getting (and the coverage) and that the people who are voting for him are just as thoughtful as you think you are? Hillary is losing because Obama is a better overall candidate and she ran a shitty, negative, old time cut throat, campaign that was rejected. Respect is a two way street and we Obama supporters think people like you are a bit foolish too.
I'm available, via cell phone, if Keith wants to interview me. I got some great middle class, stagnant wages, hatred of war and corporate welfare commentary I could pontificate on if the progressive cable television nation is interested.
Rev Wright was quoting US Ambassador Peck's Sept 2001 appearance on Fox News in the "Coming home to roost" sound byte cherry picked from this sermon. The more I research the Reverend Wright and watch the complete sermons, I am convinced this is typical Rovian politics, just this time it is HRC and Mark Penn behind the whispers. This is a non story spun and spoonfed by the media for infotainment purposes.
PLEASE - SOMEONE, get the TRUTH out there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related%3C/p%3E
You just did. :)
Many of us here have seen the speech in its entirety. I agree with it. In its entirety.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 85:
I too think Rev Wright was correct,it's the disavowing and aknowledging him that bothers me.
And Bascombe..........I do read,and I feel I have a broad perspective.Iwill continue to call out either candidate when I see fit.
BaScOmBe.........all I want is honesty,fairness and impartiality.Is that to much to ask?
Actually it might just be the most difficult of all requests to fulfill.
It's politics. There's no such thing as honesty fairness and impartiality. And nobody has zero bias for one candidate or another. It's human nature to favour one candidate over the other, right from the start, unless something is brought up that cancells that.
CC: agreed,but we're not talking about politicians.We're talking about a certain journalist.I expect him to go straight down the middle.damn everthing else.just the facts.only then will the public at large be informed(with the facts).cause the rest is bullshit.
Oh, and while we're nitpicking, can you maybe change your hair style Keith? And maybe the wardrobe, too? They're all okay, but we'd like you to mix it up a bit. ;-)
I so agree...Keith has been pulled into the DARK SIDE...now trolling for Obama like Matthews and the other MSNBC groupies...he's into the HATE CLINTON meme and pushing it for all it's worth...lost all credibility with us...and, yes, extend that group to the fool that used to be on ROLL CALL and some of the ANDREA and other insipid women he grabs to tell us what folks are really saying (cause we're all just too lazy or stupid to listen to ALL of what they say and decide for ourselves)...DISGUSTED...
Must you annoying hillary supporters inject hillary into every thread?
It's annoying as hell. If hillary doesn't want the media on her back, then her and her husband must stop bashing Obama and praising mcsnowball. And she needs to stop making up lies.
amazing how so many telepaths appear on the blogs to drill into the thinking of everyone else. I think you should all hold hands and levitate boosh out of the white house.
the density of some of these posts makes me think some people should leave footprints in concrete and granite.
no fucking wonder everyone thinks the dems don't have a chance. I'm sitting here watching people give up six months in advance of the election. with six months to go people are already planning for failure.
fuck each end every quitter among you. I've been busy for a while and I come back to a bunch of whiney, backstabbing bitches who can't contain their racism or their sexism or their desire to impose their idealistic notions on the next person and start name-calling.
I take my share of the blame because I know I get mad when I think people aren't thinking enough. Silly fucking me for getting caught up. feel free to attack me whether or not you think this applies to you, whoever the fuck you might be.
but you need to get your collective shit straight. you attack KO for pointing out what hillary's camp does. you attack barack for not being american enough, experienced enough, black enough, white enough, sensitive enough. make up your fucking mind and hold your own candidate accountable for the shit they perpetrate! and stop parsing every fucking syllable when common sense should be sufficient.
I'm going to bed and if I get banned from this blog for this post I really won't give a fuck.
I can't believe the pettiness going on here with so much at stake.
~4800 American dead in combat, 15,000 dead by suicide/accident/other
~48,000 wounded/maimed/disfigured/de-limbed
1,000,000 Iraqis dead
4,000,000 Iraqis displaced
14,000,000,000,000 dollars spent on this (do all the math on the last seven military budgets and add the supplemental bills) - yes, that's trillion
Homeless vets
Mentally damaged vets
medically challenged vets
Katrina
Tornadoes
Floods
Falling bridges
bankruptcies
corporate bailout with your money
Anyone looking for a candidate to fix this?
It doesn't look like it.
You hate KKKarl Rove? Because if he's lurking here, he's laughing his ass off.
Fucking bunch of whiners.
This place is permeated with the odor of defeat from self-inflicted wounds.
Here is my MSNBC beef: Note to network, Tucker Carlson's show had bad ratings and was cut because he is a worm and we don't want to hear him. Why in the world would you now put him as a guest host on almost every show? Now we have to listen to him all day long instead of just avoiding his hour of programming. He's on now from Moring Joe to Olberman...can't get away from him! Ugh!
Get rid of the bum - he needs to move to Faux!
amazing how so many telepaths appear on the blogs to drill into the thinking of everyone else. I think you should all hold hands and levitate boosh out of the white house.
the density of some of these posts makes me think some people should leave footprints in concrete and granite.
no fucking wonder everyone thinks the dems don't have a chance. I'm sitting here watching people give up six months in advance of the election. with six months to go people are already planning for failure.
fuck each end every quitter among you. I've been busy for a while and I come back to a bunch of whiney, backstabbing bitches who can't contain their racism or their sexism or their desire to impose their idealistic notions on the next person and start name-calling.
I take my share of the blame because I know I get mad when I think people aren't thinking enough. Silly fucking me for getting caught up. feel free to attack me whether or not you think this applies to you, whoever the fuck you might be.
but you need to get your collective shit straight. you attack KO for pointing out what hillary's camp does. you attack barack for not being american enough, experienced enough, black enough, white enough, sensitive enough. make up your fucking mind and hold your own candidate accountable for the shit they perpetrate! and stop parsing every fucking syllable when common sense should be sufficient.
I'm going to bed and if I get banned from this blog for this post I really won't give a fuck.
I can't believe the pettiness going on here with so much at stake.
~4800 American dead in combat, 15,000 dead by suicide/accident/other
~48,000 wounded/maimed/disfigured/de-limbed
1,000,000 Iraqis dead
4,000,000 Iraqis displaced
14,000,000,000,000 dollars spent on this (do all the math on the last seven military budgets and add the supplemental bills) - yes, that's trillion
Homeless vets
Mentally damaged vets
medically challenged vets
Katrina
Tornadoes
Floods
Falling bridges
bankruptcies
corporate bailout with your money
Anyone looking for a candidate to fix this?
It doesn't look like it.
You hate KKKarl Rove? Because if he's lurking here, he's laughing his ass off.
Fucking bunch of whiners.
This place is permeated with the odor of defeat from self-inflicted wounds.
Good fucking job.
Good night and Good Luck!
yep,and I'm probably part of that too...........take it easy BaScOmBe.see ya next time.
Oh, and just because you think Obama is ready for prime time does not mean that I agree.
Eight weeks ago, I thought of Clinton and Obama as more or less reasonable equals, save that Clinton had a much mcuh better health care plan, and a much more detailed grasp of programs and facts.
Now, I'll be hard-put to support Obama at all. Lousy health plan with Republican approach (oo, mandates! how shocking!), major gaffes by major advisors (calling fellow democrats "a monster" and likening them to Joseph McCarthy -- which is not merely stupid but dangerously inept), the Rezko thing, the racist Preacher thing, the slam your grammy thing. (This is leaving out all his sexist trashing of Senator Clinton).
Oh, and the endless hope hope new new change change hope change new meme. Is he running for Prom King?
Project much?
The faithful don't like it, but the truth is -- Barry is a Not Ready for Prime Time player.
What credentials can you take with you to the show John Amato? You’re a popular blogger?
Two Words for you Pal, Screw YOU!
It just so happens there idiot, that I happen to respect John, quite a damn bit. You see, back in February of 2007, after I walked away from the Church scene, because of their idiot crap that they put me through and I ventured into the arena of Political Blogging, Crooks and Liars was one of the first Blogs I ever went to.
Yeah, I'll admit it, I haven't always agree with everything that I've read here, But I'll give Mr. Amato credit, at least he's got the god damned brass balls, to tell it like it is about that Beady-eyed S.O.B. in the White House.
If anyone should be on Keith Olbermann's show, it should be John, it should be the owner of FireDogLake, It should be the owner of Talk Left, It should be the owner of Hullabaloo, (Digby) and many many other of the great names in Liberal Blogging. Instead of the so-called Pundits.
Again, I might not agree 100% with John, But I admire the hell out of him and I even copied his still just a bit. He might not know it, But I learned how to Blog, but watching his style.
There's an old saying, you're either a part of the problem or a part of the solution. I am happy to report than John is, in fact, a part of the damn solution!
Thank you John, for you what you do here.
I mean that man....
Patrick from Michigan. [ok pat,don't post in all bold lettering again ok?........Site Monitor]
I so agree...Keith has been pulled into the DARK SIDE...now trolling for Obama like Matthews and the other MSNBC groupies...he's into the HATE CLINTON meme and pushing it for all it's worth...lost all credibility with us...and, yes, extend that group to the fool that used to be on ROLL CALL and some of the ANDREA and other insipid women he grabs to tell us what folks are really saying (cause we're all just too lazy or stupid to listen to ALL of what they say and decide for ourselves)...DISGUSTED...
Must you annoying hillary supporters inject hillary into every thread?
It's annoying as hell. If hillary doesn't want the media on her back, then her and her husband must stop bashing Obama and praising mcsnowball. And she needs to stop making up lies.
Loser.
Just a bunch of Hillary supporters crying a river on a Saturday night because they can't accept the fact that she is through and it's all her and her negative bullshit "kitchen sink" strategy's fault. They blame Obama, the MSM, and of course, us Obama supporters. Losers always point the most fingers.....except at themselves. Aaahahahahahahaha!!!
amazing how so many telepaths appear on the blogs to drill into the thinking of everyone else. I think you should all hold hands and levitate boosh out of the white house.
the density of some of these posts makes me think some people should leave footprints in concrete and granite.
no fucking wonder everyone thinks the dems don't have a chance. I'm sitting here watching people give up six months in advance of the election. with six months to go people are already planning for failure.
fuck each end every quitter among you. I've been busy for a while and I come back to a bunch of whiney, backstabbing bitches who can't contain their racism or their sexism or their desire to impose their idealistic notions on the next person and start name-calling.
I take my share of the blame because I know I get mad when I think people aren't thinking enough. Silly fucking me for getting caught up. feel free to attack me whether or not you think this applies to you, whoever the fuck you might be.
but you need to get your collective shit straight. you attack KO for pointing out what hillary's camp does. you attack barack for not being american enough, experienced enough, black enough, white enough, sensitive enough. make up your fucking mind and hold your own candidate accountable for the shit they perpetrate! and stop parsing every fucking syllable when common sense should be sufficient.
I'm going to bed and if I get banned from this blog for this post I really won't give a fuck.
I can't believe the pettiness going on here with so much at stake.
~4800 American dead in combat, 15,000 dead by suicide/accident/other
~48,000 wounded/maimed/disfigured/de-limbed
1,000,000 Iraqis dead
4,000,000 Iraqis displaced
14,000,000,000,000 dollars spent on this (do all the math on the last seven military budgets and add the supplemental bills) - yes, that's trillion
Homeless vets
Mentally damaged vets
medically challenged vets
Katrina
Tornadoes
Floods
Falling bridges
bankruptcies
corporate bailout with your money
Anyone looking for a candidate to fix this?
It doesn't look like it.
You hate KKKarl Rove? Because if he's lurking here, he's laughing his ass off.
Fucking bunch of whiners.
This place is permeated with the odor of defeat from self-inflicted wounds.
Good fucking job.
Good night and Good Luck!
I would be willing to bet you 100 bucks you won't be banned. Never saw anybody here get banned for getting angry. [you'd win that bet xoites...Site Monitor]
I would love to see Glenn Greenwald (legal & media), Juan Cole (Middle East issues), Cliff Schecter (Dem pundit & all-around tough guy), Ellen Ratner (daily DC goings on), Marcy Wheeler (legal), Josh Marshall (daily DC goings on), Spencer Ackerman (DC goings on), Nir Rosen (foreign policy), Davis Sirota (trade issues), Steven Hill (election reform issues), Flynt Leverett (foreign policy), Hillary Mann (foreign policy), Jeremy Scahill (Blackwater patrol), Naomi Klein (whatever she wants to talk about), Max Blumenthal (muckraker), Sam Stein (muckraker), Matt Taibbi (presidential campaign)
Agreed! It should be remembered that she is Dr. Rachel Maddow (Political Science), a Stanford Grad and a Rhodes Scholar.
Yet like people of real intelligence she doesn't throw that around or feel the need to hide behind credentials or talk down to anyone. She's quick witted, funny as hell, highly perceptive, down to earth and 100% authentically charming.
But she's like....she's a....dang, she's a woman! That's just....well it's embarrassing for the guys to have to deal with. Especially given that they are....
...dumber than she is.
But hey! Sexism, it's the new black....if ya know what I mean.
Perhaps you meant she is more inteligent than they are?
Stipulating right off the top that this is the best show on the 3 main cable nets by a good margin, there does seem to be plenty of room for improvement.
My take for what it's worth:
Agreed that Howard Fineman and Dana Milbank bring little but very reactive, kool kid beltway consensus, and in Milbank's case a perpetual smirk. I don't always agree with Alter, but he seems to be much more of an honest broker, so I'd keep him in full rotation.
More Rachel Maddow! Smart, unflappable, interesting.
Keep an eye on the Special Comment: The ego (which has always been both a dual edged sword for Keith going back to KCBS) is leading the messenger to overshadow the message. The increasing theatricality with which these missives are delivered is getting out of control and feeling contrived. Murrow let the words carry the rage, not the face.
More "sane" republicans or former republicans to add perspective to the nutballs who pass as GOP today -- John Dean is always fascinating, and people like Laurence Wilkerson and Lincoln Chaffee would be more great in these segments too.
Comedy: Not the show's strong suit. The light and fluffy segments are one thing, and round out the shows nightly trajectory from weighty to frivolous. But when Keith tries to set up comic bits in the last segment, it really falls flat. Keith is not a good straight man and the satellite is not a good venue for banter needing timing. Worst of all, Michael Musto is not and never was anyone's idea of a comic. Worst moments of the show ever are Musto attempting to deliver his snarky one liners.
O'Reilly is beneath contempt, and worthy of periodic shots, but Keith risks seeming obsessed and dropping to O'Reilly's level. Keith's better than that. He need to hold his fire for the real O'Reilly outrages, not the mundane stuff.
Finally, and this is none of my business, but if Keith wants to continue to transcend being an ordinary commentator and carry some weight as a moral voice of sanity in the face of the GOP Bullshit machine, he's only giving his adversaries ammo by letting his personal life and living arrangements get into the tabloid press.
Josh Marshall from Talking Points Memo, Steve Clemons from The Washington Note, Randi Rhodes from Air America and Big Ed Schultz would be great and welcome additions to KO's show but instead we get Pat Buchanan and Schmucker Carlson.
Oh yeah! Lose that idiot who comments on "Celebrities". I can't recall his name because he's nauseatingly not-funny. He's the one with black hair and glasses, like an Italian Gene Shalit. LOSE HIM.
KO's show used to be objective and insightful...But I can't watch it anymore without practically puking...KO is totally in the tank for Barack Obama...I would posit that anyone who thinks Obama is a Progressive is totally delusional and should wake up and smell the coffee...The only Progressive who was in this race was Dennis Kucinich and you can see the respect and coverage the MSM gave him - None!
As far as race entering this presidential race, I have yet to hear mention of Obama's co-national chairman Jesse Jackson Jr. and his playing of the race card from the onset of the campaign...I feel anyone who wants some perspective on this issue should read the recent article in The New Republic by Sean Wilentz - "Race Man - How Barack Obama Played the Race Card and Blamed Hillary Clinton"...it might give you some idea whats been happening behind the scenes at the Obama campaign...
Everyone calling for Hillary to drop out of the race should realize that there isn't a chance that Obama can achieve the needed amount of delegates before the convention in Denver either...So I say let them fight it out and let the Super-delegates do what they were inteneded to do - not let the party select an unelectable candidate...
And in closing, I have one question for the ungrateful traitor Bill Richardson - Since New Mexico voted for Hillary Clinton will you be casting your vote as a super-delegate for her..?
I dont watch Olbermann anymore. I got sick of his constant Hillary bashing months ago and gave up on that show.
I just wish we had a friendly show like Obama has, he has like a dozen, Hillary has none.
I'm sorry. Obama does not have that kind of onside support. He's ran an honest and clean campaign among the muck, and some of the talking heads have noticed and appreciated this.
Hillary has shown herself to be the gaming, manipulative politician she is, and still gets a pass from the MSM.
I like Alter, Feinman, Maddow a lot. I also like Eugene Robinson. MSNBC needs to retire Pat Buchannan. Good grief we can all lip sing his remarks as he makes them. He doesn't like the War, but supports ever other conservative mantra and doesn't like minorities. Ed Schultz is as good on TV as he is on radio. He is quick and a good debater. How about Phil Donahue. A good liberal voice that had a good show until the corporate brass wimped out when he questioned the War. Since he was CORRECT, it might have some useful insight for the American public. How about some of the those retired Generals that have good insight. Zinni and Hoar both warned about the War and the Administration. I like John Dean, Jonathan Turley on the Constitution. Marjorie Cohn would be excellent too. Richard Clarke could give us insight into the crazy Administration, Dick, Condi and the Decider. Bruce Fein and Warren Rudman are conservatives with integrity. The combination is almost an oxymoron. There are a lot of good pundits, but some of the old gasbags needs to be let out to pasture. Scarborough is an idiot. How many mis-speaks, mistakes with the facts do you get before they pull your ticket?
I wish Keith would have more Rachel and Eugene Robinson and more Jonathon Turley and more John Dean.....( Rachel and Eugene seem to be on with David Gregory more now....bummmer.....BTW THAT is a NEW-cough- show that is stinking badly...so perdictable....)
What I want to know is when will David Shuster get his own show????!!!! I will never forget how he took Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) to the woodshed when she was complaining about the move-on ad in the NY times but didn't know the name of the last soldier from her district to die in Iraq. It was brilliant!!!!
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Matt Taibbi would be good.
Keith,
I agree, it would be fresh and nice to see some new faces up there. Not that I dislike your current show, but it would certainly spice things up a bit.
Love,
Jesse
Also, don't preview who's going to be in Worst Persons in the World like three times before you get to the segment. Ruins the suspense.
I like Keith and his political commentary but...... the show sucks.
I don't think its the political commentators that are regular, sometimes too regular, its the fact that TMZ and guest hosts from VH1 and E! distract from the important bits. I don't think Countdown needs to steep to the level of Inside Edition to cover the real news. Just keep it real, and tell it like it is. Even Edward R. Murrow covered celebrity news without the hoo-hah.
- Justin
Keith,ya gotta know I (and everyone else) luv the hell out of ya. but I have an issue with you.
Why haven't you called out Sen Obama on his 180 on the the Rev Wrights remarks?
Foist he said he didn't know of the Rev's comments,then he said he was fully aware of his comments.wtf Keith.....
C'mon man.....address the issue.
How about Joe Conason? Or John Amato.
I was surprised to see Joe Madison on one of those shows. Another good one is Bernie Kincaid.
Then again John and Nicole (and others from this site) would be good too.
I heartily agree, Mr. Amato. Now might be a good time to mention that I've noticed that lately Countdown has stopped doing all the crappy celebrity gossip stuff, which I always thought severely hampered Olbermann's credibility. (There was a brief segment yesterday, but for the most part I think KO has used his new-found clout to give the show a more serious tone.) At the same time, he seems to not be absent as much. He used to be on vacation about every other week. Although, it was weird that a week or so ago he just disappeared in the middle of the program.
I so agree...Keith has been pulled into the DARK SIDE...now trolling for Obama like Matthews and the other MSNBC groupies...he's into the HATE CLINTON meme and pushing it for all it's worth...lost all credibility with us...and, yes, extend that group to the fool that used to be on ROLL CALL and some of the ANDREA and other insipid women he grabs to tell us what folks are really saying (cause we're all just too lazy or stupid to listen to ALL of what they say and decide for ourselves)...DISGUSTED...
No more Rachel Maddow. Give her her own show instead. Such intelligence in discussion is refreshing and very unusual.
While we're at it, how about a few pundits who actually disagree with him occasionally, eh?
And lay off the holier-than-thou routine for a bit too.
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 7:
John and Nicole would be awesome. It's time for opinions from people that are not party insider hacks. Real people from the real world that are affected daily by all things political.
OOPS...it's late for me...hubby in hospital, kid/grandkids here for a visit...me TIRED AND CRABBY and totally sick of the whole campaign as manipulated by our MSM
How about Mike Malloy and his rants about the Bush Crime family?
The "Bush Crime family" is so applicable and descriptive.
There's even a bigger problem -- Scientist Clone First Pundit: Pat Buchanan!
At this point I'm glad at least Keith is on the air. CNN and Faux news are a disgrace!
Yeah,
What about Matt Taibbi?!
Puhleeze, anyone other than Howard!
He's the poster child of the whoring MSM that laid down with Bush.
But, on those grounds, they would also have to get rid of Russert.
Well, ok, that works for me!
Keith ought to furlough Eugene Robinson for a couple of years. His ubiquity on so many MSNBC programs is insufferable.
But before complaining about Keith please explain the rude and boorish Morning Joe. I have more respect for Don Imus, Imus actually got a lot out of his guests. Joe just burps, farts, and makes idiotic declarations.
Maddow and Mika, now that's a show. With some occasional input from Zbigniew. I love the comment about his travel agent.
Here is my MSNBC beef: Note to network, Tucker Carlson's show had bad ratings and was cut because he is a worm and we don't want to hear him. Why in the world would you now put him as a guest host on almost every show? Now we have to listen to him all day long instead of just avoiding his hour of programming. He's on now from Moring Joe to Olberman...can't get away from him! Ugh!
Get rid of the bum - he needs to move to Faux!
This criticism is just knitpicking. OK is just about all we progressives have. We should be grateful to have Keith.
KO should have Rick Mercer on to give his "foreign correspondence" take on all things political. Or Lewis Black. A comedian would be an instant hit because for the last 7 years, they have been the only honest reporters in the entire media.
now that's nice handwriting--
John, please sign my name to that letter, too. We all deserve a break from the three!
http://OsiSpeaks.com
There is a good point here: by having only a few repeated commentators it appears that there are not that many Liberal/Progressives in the population. (just Pete and repeat, sorry) If you would be so good as to reach out to some others, and their numbers are vast, it would lend credibility not only to you and your show, but to the real America that we all know and Love. Peace.
John
Oh yeah... Laura Flanders always looks good on Camera! ;-)
KO and MSNBC decided on a sure loser.
"McCain does even better against Barack Obama, trouncing him 59%-30%, with Obama having a 35%-62% favorable rating."
I guess they do not like God damn America in Arkansas.
Who da thunk it?
DonsBlog @ 10:
Agreed! It should be remembered that she is Dr. Rachel Maddow (Political Science), a Stanford Grad and a Rhodes Scholar.
Yet like people of real intelligence she doesn't throw that around or feel the need to hide behind credentials or talk down to anyone. She's quick witted, funny as hell, highly perceptive, down to earth and 100% authentically charming.
What credentials can you take with you to the show John Amato? You're a popular blogger?
DonsBlog @ 10:
as long as she stops quoting the politico
I'd add: just give BillO the "Worst Person in the World Lifetime Achievement Award" and disqualify him from future nomination. You're just feeding the troll.
I'm down to watching Dan Abrams. Never could watch Tucker, tried Chrissy, but his adoration for Ann Coulter turned me away from him, and Keith....Keith has changed.
mudshark @ 5:
Get real dude! The Great Orange Satan would revoke Keith's diary priviledges
if KO did that.
This is about important stuff man. Status, who get's the chicks, $$$$ and being able to get that second house.
Keith ain't about to rock the boat. That would be just dumb.
JasonS @ 29:
Now, that's the truth!!! The more talk about that blithering idiot, the more famous and rich he gets. Surely there is someone else out there deserving of Worst Person in the World press.
dale18 @ 14:
From the beginning of this escapade in Iraq, Malloy has been railing against Bush like a madman. I love the guy!
Rasputin @ 26:
But she's like....she's a....dang, she's a woman! That's just....well it's embarrassing for the guys to have to deal with. Especially given that they are....
...dumber than she is.
But hey! Sexism, it's the new black....if ya know what I mean.
The only reason why I wouldn't choose Matt Taibbi is that he can't seem to utter a sentence without saying "f*ck" or "f*cking"...
A.Citizen @ 34:
Perhaps you meant she is more inteligent than they are?
What I would really love to see are some wingnuts for Keith to put in place. They wouldn't have a prayer against Olbermann. KO would eloquently dismantle their philosophy of pseudo-conservatism since this philosophy is flagrantly flawed from the root base. I would suggest "any" FOX News or Talk Radio right-wing fringe venomous hack. Could this be the beginning of the long needed return of the Fairness Doctrine?
I grew up as a kid around celebrities. By the time I was 5 yrs old I understood they were just weird people like all the other weird adults. By the time I was 10 yrs old I realized nothing had changed and they were still all weird adults. Now that I'm adult I see I was basically right.
Adults are weird.
YBNurmal @ 24:
Laura Flanders
Katrina Vandenheuvel
Stephanie Miller
Randi Rhodes
Rachel Maddow is on at least as often as they are.
Tell Matthews we've seen enough and heard enough of Pat Buchanan. His shrill voice gets shriller as he talks about Obama. His love for McCain is obvious.
K.O. needs to rotate his guests once in awhile. They are beginning to repeat themselves. Love Rachel but he always seems to hurry her along. She is by far the most interesting and best informed of any of them.
I can't think of a fate worse then doing political shows.
The following was sent to Keith the night of his coverage of Sen Obama's speech on race:
Hello,
I have just watched your coverage of Senator Obama's speech. I was surprised at the approach you took. You acknowledge, I sense with some restraint of journalistic neutrality that this was an historic speech. Yet you missed completely (unless I'm just writing too soon) the follow through, the gift that was handed to you or any other news person by Senator Obama.
This speech was the opening for any news reporter of your position (a national news TV reporter) to be a part of the history of this presidential election and of this speech. You or they just had to report what was said, and then continued forward to move the discussion of race. You had 2 perfect commentators on, and yet they were only used to comment on the strategy of the giving of the speech. This moment created by Senator Obama was just perfect in all applications of the word for one who models their presentation on and dare I say aspires to the motivations of Mr. Morrow. This speech handed off to anyone an opportunity to go beyond the frankness of your special comments to accomplishing what is implied with your giving of the special comments; real, focused, cognitively challenging discussion with the intent to move society another step in the journey to "a more perfect union".
Instead, you then continued on asking (via a sideman) a question that is the historic representation of all that is wrong with the media you work in: Is the public too stupid to get it? Your guest answered yes!
Mr. Olbermann, if the public is to stupid to get it, if those who tune into your show every night to hear you speak to them are too stupid to get it, then Mr. Olbermann, your audience is too stupid to understand your special comments. How you could not catch the insult you made to your audience by asking such a question when you expect your audience to thoroughly comprehend your special comments is just beyond me. I might add, that you obviously have had feed back that your audience, which is growing, gets it. They get all of it. Every last word of every special comment you have made. How could you have not seen this error of logic?
Mr. Olbermann, you made your self number 3 in the worst persons for this broad cast. And you apologized. Do you see where I'm headed? The error I am relaying to you is not an error of fact which honorable journalism requires a correction. You sir have erred in judgement of your audience's character. In doing that you have flatly denigrated your audience in the most arrogant manor of communication: A manor of communication that is the very action railed against by those who have promoted your show through out the Internet of reality: condensation of the intelligence of the citizens of America. You assumed they are stupid, and worse, conducted a discussion based on that implication with a colleague.
Do you not see that this is the very same conduct as that orated by Senator Obama when he spoke: the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning.
The second most segregated hour is the national news broadcast Mr. Olbermann. That is, if you do not accept your audience as a colleague in the sojourn of "a more perfect union".
Mr. Olberman, the entire message, the complete purpose of Senator Obama talking about the self interpretation which each race holds regarding their experience of life in America was for this one line: Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk...
That was your que. You missed it...completely missed.
Thank you for your time.
Young people!
Is there a taboo against young people?
Personally i think it would be interesting if Keith had an inteligent and diametrically oppossed guest. The problem, of course is locating one.
For that matter, I think the show would be much improved if coverage of Britney Spears, P Hilt, and Lin Lo was dropped. I'm pretty sick of those drugged-up bimbos. There has to be something better. I know the show needs ratings, but sweet Jesus!!!
Oh, and why not put on Noam Chomsky every so often. Or Naomi Klein.
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a lot of this is just preaching to the converted. rachel and keith agreeing, me watching them agreeing. boriiiinnnnggggggggggly predictable. time to concentrate on debating those from the darkside. one to one on national tv. keith is more than up to the job.
Left&Left @ 33:
air fucking america got rid of mike.
Emma Hussein Goldman @ 46:
My understanding is his network forces him to do that.
Josh Marshall from Talking Points Memo, Steve Clemons from The Washington Note, Randi Rhodes from Air America and Big Ed Schultz would be great and welcome additions to KO's show but instead we get Pat Buchanan and Schmucker Carlson.
Oh yeah! Lose that idiot who comments on "Celebrities". I can't recall his name because he's nauseatingly not-funny. He's the one with black hair and glasses, like an Italian Gene Shalit. LOSE HIM.
Hieronymus Braintree @ 11:
We don't need a bunch of right wing pundits that get their talking points from Murdoch and Rove every day.
How much control does Keith have over this? Or do the "producers" make those calls.
While we're at it: how about Juan Cole. Further, how about a credible media critic: John Nichols, Norman Solomon, Jeff Cohen, Robert Greenwald. Speaking of Greenwald .......
I'd love to see Catherine Crier, either as legal expert or with her own show.
mudshark @ 5:
Dear Dead Horse Beater. You are apparently too stupid to absorb this, but you are wrong on both counts. He wasn't there during the main overplayed sermon, and learned about it much later. He HAD heard him say some inflammatory things in other instances, however. Of course, none of that matters one bit, and if you can't figure that out, we'll just have to make sure we can find enough voters with IQs over 70 to make up for your ilk.
Gion @ 48:
In defense of C&L my understanding is that the staff is split on who they want to get the nominee and have agreed to endorse neither.
Hieronymus Braintree @ 11:
Yes, yes. It's always sad to see someone like KO let his success go to his head. Chronkite and Morrow he's not.
But please, let's see more of Rachel Maddow!!
(Also, I could do without "Oddball')
57 xoites Hussein defends Constitution
"...to be the nominee..."
sorry
Heck, I'd even let Catherine Crier guest-host. And do the worst person segment in K.O.'s absence.
Any regular from The Al Franken Show.
Christy Harvey, Paul Krugman, Tom Oliphant,
David Brock, Joe Conason, Jim Fallows, Melanie Sloan, David Sirota.
But not Lawrence O'Donnell.
We love you Keith! :)
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John, don't beat around the bush. We know that you want to be on the show. I am sure if you are nice he will let you on.
Actually, this criticism should be directed at all the news shows. How many times have we seen Pat Buchanan vs. Rachael Maddow? While we are at it, why do all the discussions end in a yelling match? The host is supposed to be a moderator, which means facilitating the discussion, not picking sides. And why do these crazed right-wingers have their own show? David Brooks and Andrew Sullivan are both rational, respectable conservatives that deserve their own shows.
Which brings up another point: Why doesn’t Keith Olbermann have dissenting voices on his show? I understand that he is supposed to balance out Bill O’reilly, but they are many conservatives (like the two I previously mention) that wouldn’t ruin the flow of the discussion and provide a more balance viewpoint.
Gion @ 63:
Then someone should go count the times that video was mentioned in the threads.
L.A. Confidential @ 38:
Dirt please on these celebrities.
Do tell.
I'm with Gion, how come the site with all the great video isn't showing Snipergate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c
Rachel Maddow is becoming a star this primary. Good for her. I'd like to see Matt Yglesias get on TV more.
DHSmd @ 56:
I'm sorry,I haven't heard any of them address this.Had it been Sen Clinton,I'm sure you would have felt the same.......right?
Gion @ 48:
there IS something to be said for 'safety-first' manner in which C&L operates, but they have several key contributors, so maybe you need to cite the specifics of the bias you appear to recognize. they do often appear to be behind other blogs in the exposing of the reichwing.
66 getalife Says:
Dirt please on these celebrities.
Do tell.
===============
The way i heard it, they were wierd. :)
mudshark @ 5:
Because he didn't do a 180.
Eugene Robinson did a phone interview with him after his speech and asked him to clarify. He said he was NEVER in church when Wright made anti-American remarks, but he was there when he said some extreme things in regards to relationships and the responsibilities of men. Eugene said this on Hardball, Shuster's show, and on Countdown.
Why people keep saying he did a 180 when he did clarify to Eugene Robinson on the record, it is beyond me. It's probably the same reason the media keeps acting like this Democratic race is tied when there's less than a 5% chance that Clinton will actually win at this point.
mudshark @ 68:
I do not like Hillary. i think everyone knows that by now.
But i go berzerk when people try to smear her, or McCain for that matter.
We need to fight fair, we need to get our facts straight and we need to make decisions, as a nation, about who is going to run the country in a rational way.
Dirty politics robs us of our future.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 70:
I am guessing Hollyweird.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 72:
agreed x. you know i like and respect you and your opinion.I have yet to see an impartial account of this matter.You know how i feel about both candidates.I'm just lookin for some truth.
Matt Taibi is an uncouth simpleton. I actually find Howard Fineman quite refreshing, especially when he lets loose on the Clintons and their shinanigans. More variety would be nice, though.
Always so refreshing to see someone favoring the man who touts "Hope" speak so nicely to another human being. Snark aside, you haven't updated your information. Mr. Obama has said both that he knew and that he didn't hear the remarks of his preacher. In twenty years of attendance, it's hard to make a case that he didn't know what his preacher/mentor believed.
My problem isn't with what Wright said, but rather with Mr. O's tight-wire act.
BaScOmBe whose saying “NO REPUGS” @ 69:
I'm not accusing C&L of candidate bias at all, I'm accusing them of being slow to report on anything that hurts Hillary --- OR --- Barack. Wright coverage was slow, and Snipergate if covered at all isn't probably coming anytime quickly unless they're pressed or if it explodes to the MSM. Dems deserve to know when one of our own messes up, period - and C&L shouldn't, quite frankly, pussy out - in the fear that they may be accused of bias.
mudshark @ 5:
PLEASE READ! You need to get a broader perspective.
Oh, this is nothing. You should have seen Keith as a local sports broadcaster in L.A.. He's mellowed with age. Humility has never been one of his problems.
That said, only he and Phil Donahue were willing to take a stand against some very unpopular positions. He probably had to start out with one sided guests as the conservatives were famous for boycotting shows that spoke against them. I think the whining over Obama's refusal to appear on Fox hilarious.
Thinking Person @ 58:
getalife @ 73:
You are soooo busted, dude - LOL!!
Hey bro!
;-}
getalife @ 66:
Everything there is to know is already known.
I'm not going to start dropping names. Let's just say there are two facades. The one put on for public consumption and the non public one.
Big Names had it a little easier back when I was growing up. They weren't constantly being chased around by paparazzi and battling each other for spotlight time as they are in todays here today gone tomorrow show business environment.
I dont watch Olbermann anymore. I got sick of his constant Hillary bashing months ago and gave up on that show.
I just wish we had a friendly show like Obama has, he has like a dozen, Hillary has none.
Everybody at MSNBC gets paid by the Military Contractor, General Electric.
Gion @ 77:
Well, you won't get real investigative journalism here, if that's what you're looking for.
mudshark @ 74:
Not sure of the real issue here. I think Obama is running away from a political firestorm and into a political firestorm.
I happen to agree with Wright, so i find it odd Obama is so afraid to agree as well.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 85:
Calculating to win.
IdahoMoe @ 83:
so that beacon of hope, KO, is actually there to draw out the enemies of the fascist state into the open.
IdahoMoe @ 83:
Cheney said the American way of life isn't negotiable. In that respect it's true these days.
Who cuts your check? would be an interesting question to hit up the stars with.
BaScOmBe whose saying “NO REPUGS” @ 87:
Either that or he's one of the most famous CIA agents in the business.
LOL
L.A. Confidential @ 81:
Yeah, a boring Britney is bad for TMZ.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 85:
I too think Rev Wright was correct,it's the disavowing and aknowledging him that bothers me.
And Bascombe..........I do read,and I feel I have a broad perspective.Iwill continue to call out either candidate when I see fit.
BaScOmBe.........all I want is honesty,fairness and impartiality.Is that to much to ask?
In previous posts I have been censored for calling out what appears to me to be the very clear biasness of Stephen and Nicole in support of Senator Obama and their love-fest type articles regarding him and his surrogates. So now I find it kind of funny that Mr. Amato would be calling on Mr. Olbermann (one of the biggest Senator Obama cheerleaders around) to mix it up a bit and have different guests.
I know it is the official policy of Crooks & Liars not to announce open support for anyone candidate, but couldn't you guys tone down the not-so-subtle support for a certain candidate?
mudshark @ 91:
Actually it might just be the most difficult of all requests to fulfill.
CNN, Jon stewart, the NY Times editorial board, SNL, most of the New York media. Hillary ain't doing bad. And she was pretty much crowned before people forced Obama on the press.
I was just thinking, it's funny how Fox gets McCain, CNN Hillary and MSNBC Obama. It almost seems planned. Though I still think Fox is very disappointed over not getting Rudy and since Rupert loves Hillary, we might still see a shift if she wins the nomination.
keith @ 82:
Ron @ 53:
What's the matter—you don't think Olberman's up to handling them?
And what's to stop Olberman from double-teaming him with another liberal the way the conservatives do in reverse?
Glad to experience your outsized political imagination, Ron. Truly, you are an inspirational figure.
Phoenix Justice @ 92:
You are asking C&L to be impartial. Are you impartial?
I don't even think news reporters should be impartial.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 93:
yeah,I know.But I expect it from Keith Olberman
Thom Hartman, Rachel Maddow - 2 intellects based in progressive thinking - not that the others named are not OK, but more variety would be nice.
And I do agree with others in this thread that Rachel definitely deserves her own TV show - her radio program is awesome.
wouldn't it be catagorized as "bashing" if it were incorrect, a lie?
in that respect, i've never seen any "hillary bashing" - just stating the facts...
43 Divorced one like Bush - i appreciate that sentiment... it hadn't really occurred to be before, but i think you are correct...
but keith is not the only one who "missed it"...
When I started watching Keith, I felt the same way about the redundancy in guests. I soon realized though, that these few are great experts in the media, and that many of the other's MSNBC keeps on staff are hacks (Scarborough, Tucker, et c.). What happened to Huffington?
That said, fresh meat (like Amato, Belle et al.) would be great.
Also, MudShark's comment early in the thread is off-base, yet right on par with the media talking points. No offense, man. Obama didn't misrepresent or back track. He just responded early in a way that was truthful, but keeping it tight b/c of the media's tendency to over inflate the smallest, dumbest aspects of a story. Sound familiar?
Anyone running for a public office cannot chastise the media due the the backlash, which is fatal. They hold the reigns, unfortunately. And equally unfortunate, they have no soul.
getalife @ 90:
Yeah that and everyone wants to be a freaking celebrity these days.
The problem with that is 99% of them have zero talent and zero originality.
Keith,
What about Mark Shields?
TO begin with, I like Countdown for the most part.
However, I'm a little concerned with Countdown being elevated to the level of gatekeeper for those things on the left. The problem in this day and age isn't that there aren't more programs like Countdown, which is OBVIOUSLY slanted to the left (translation: Democrat), but that there isn't any true objectivity on television anymore.
"Fair and Balanced", no matter who makes the claim, has become a fantasy. And considering what I NOW know about history, I've come to doubt that there's EVER been any true objectivity in the media. It's ALL agenda-driven.
Whether you're a Democrat or Republican, BOTH sides seem to agree on one thing: that they have to DO SOMETHING for us. Well that's all good and fine, until they start forcing ME to DO SOMETHING for THEM...
That was never supposed to be the plan.
Democracy CAN'T be allowed to DEVOLVE into a simple matter of ganging up on the other argument with more votes.
That's just THUGGERY in a suit.
And the cynic in me fears that Countdown may only be the first in a growing list of "Left-leaning" shows, that pull in the "left-leaning" public, so that the message can again be controlled by powerful elites.
I'm sorry folks, but for at least the past TWENTY YEARS I haven't been able to watch television without feeling like I was being herded to a preconceived conclusion.
Ex-Canuck @ 98:
She's to real for her own show. To get herself a show they'd make her go to media school, training, and by the time they got done with her she'd be polished for TV but just a fraction of her original self if even that.
Rev Wright was quoting US Ambassador Peck's Sept 2001 appearance on Fox News in the "Coming home to roost" sound byte cherry picked from this sermon. The more I research the Reverend Wright and watch the complete sermons, I am convinced this is typical Rovian politics, just this time it is HRC and Mark Penn behind the whispers. This is a non story spun and spoonfed by the media for infotainment purposes.
PLEASE - SOMEONE, get the TRUTH out there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related%3C/p%3E
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 93:
It's politics. There's no such thing as honesty fairness and impartiality. And nobody has zero bias for one candidate or another. It's human nature to favour one candidate over the other, right from the start, unless something is brought up that cancells that.
To be fair: many would argue that Keith was over-reliant on Howard Dean, canned replays from NBC News, and Michael Musto last year. I should know, since I help run http://www.keitholbermann.org and did a nightly story-by-story recap of the show.
I think we could do without Fineman, but Chuck Todd has been getting a lot more rotation into the show to do the "numbers game". I would prefer that Keith try to draw on some of the stronger "experts" from NBC for certain segments on the economic crisis or the continuing malfeasance of the Administration. (I wish he had covered the Bear Stearns collapse more, especially since the Bush Administration arranged for that $30 billion dollar guarantee to J.P. Morgan).
Oddball is a nice respite from the usual dour tone the rest of the show has taken - I would rather keep that and permanently retire "Keeping Tabs" in favor of using the slot for expanding "Worst Person In The World" or to do an Iraq story once in a while (which lately has been lumped into the #3/Bush Administration story).
John McCain's enlarged prostate @ 62:
ITA!! I was just about to post that KO should take a good look at Al Franken's old show, not just for the guest commentators, but also for the format. The commentators were regulars but only on about once a week. (BTW, you forgot Christie Harvey!)
Rachel Maddow is on there pretty much every night now. Yes, she should get her own show. Maybe Keith is still pushing for that? Still, it seems repetitive.
Someone mentioned Catherine Crier upthread. I love her! Why isn't she on tv more?? What about someone like Jim Hightower? Or John Amato?
Phoenix Justice @ 92:
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Obama has legitimately earned the support he is getting (and the coverage) and that the people who are voting for him are just as thoughtful as you think you are? Hillary is losing because Obama is a better overall candidate and she ran a shitty, negative, old time cut throat, campaign that was rejected. Respect is a two way street and we Obama supporters think people like you are a bit foolish too.
Whoops, you totally had Christie Harvey on that list. Sorry!
I'm available, via cell phone, if Keith wants to interview me. I got some great middle class, stagnant wages, hatred of war and corporate welfare commentary I could pontificate on if the progressive cable television nation is interested.
Just call my peeps
Mindy @ 105:
You just did. :)
Many of us here have seen the speech in its entirety. I agree with it. In its entirety.
ConcernedCanuck @ 106:
CC: agreed,but we're not talking about politicians.We're talking about a certain journalist.I expect him to go straight down the middle.damn everthing else.just the facts.only then will the public at large be informed(with the facts).cause the rest is bullshit.
Oh, and while we're nitpicking, can you maybe change your hair style Keith? And maybe the wardrobe, too? They're all okay, but we'd like you to mix it up a bit. ;-)
Dancer @ 9:
Must you annoying hillary supporters inject hillary into every thread?
It's annoying as hell. If hillary doesn't want the media on her back, then her and her husband must stop bashing Obama and praising mcsnowball. And she needs to stop making up lies.
Loser.
amazing how so many telepaths appear on the blogs to drill into the thinking of everyone else. I think you should all hold hands and levitate boosh out of the white house.
the density of some of these posts makes me think some people should leave footprints in concrete and granite.
no fucking wonder everyone thinks the dems don't have a chance. I'm sitting here watching people give up six months in advance of the election. with six months to go people are already planning for failure.
fuck each end every quitter among you. I've been busy for a while and I come back to a bunch of whiney, backstabbing bitches who can't contain their racism or their sexism or their desire to impose their idealistic notions on the next person and start name-calling.
I take my share of the blame because I know I get mad when I think people aren't thinking enough. Silly fucking me for getting caught up. feel free to attack me whether or not you think this applies to you, whoever the fuck you might be.
but you need to get your collective shit straight. you attack KO for pointing out what hillary's camp does. you attack barack for not being american enough, experienced enough, black enough, white enough, sensitive enough. make up your fucking mind and hold your own candidate accountable for the shit they perpetrate! and stop parsing every fucking syllable when common sense should be sufficient.
I'm going to bed and if I get banned from this blog for this post I really won't give a fuck.
I can't believe the pettiness going on here with so much at stake.
~4800 American dead in combat, 15,000 dead by suicide/accident/other
~48,000 wounded/maimed/disfigured/de-limbed
1,000,000 Iraqis dead
4,000,000 Iraqis displaced
14,000,000,000,000 dollars spent on this (do all the math on the last seven military budgets and add the supplemental bills) - yes, that's trillion
Homeless vets
Mentally damaged vets
medically challenged vets
Katrina
Tornadoes
Floods
Falling bridges
bankruptcies
corporate bailout with your money
Anyone looking for a candidate to fix this?
It doesn't look like it.
You hate KKKarl Rove? Because if he's lurking here, he's laughing his ass off.
Fucking bunch of whiners.
This place is permeated with the odor of defeat from self-inflicted wounds.
Good fucking job.
Good night and Good Luck!
And could you tone down the sexism while you're at it, Keithie?
It's very unattractive.
Texgal @ 20:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Gawd I'm sick to death of opinion TV from both sides. Get Cronkite back on the air already.
BaScOmBe whose saying “NO REPUGS” @ 116:
yep,and I'm probably part of that too...........take it easy BaScOmBe.see ya next time.
Oh, and just because you think Obama is ready for prime time does not mean that I agree.
Eight weeks ago, I thought of Clinton and Obama as more or less reasonable equals, save that Clinton had a much mcuh better health care plan, and a much more detailed grasp of programs and facts.
Now, I'll be hard-put to support Obama at all. Lousy health plan with Republican approach (oo, mandates! how shocking!), major gaffes by major advisors (calling fellow democrats "a monster" and likening them to Joseph McCarthy -- which is not merely stupid but dangerously inept), the Rezko thing, the racist Preacher thing, the slam your grammy thing. (This is leaving out all his sexist trashing of Senator Clinton).
Oh, and the endless hope hope new new change change hope change new meme. Is he running for Prom King?
Project much?
The faithful don't like it, but the truth is -- Barry is a Not Ready for Prime Time player.
Two Words for you Pal, Screw YOU!
It just so happens there idiot, that I happen to respect John, quite a damn bit. You see, back in February of 2007, after I walked away from the Church scene, because of their idiot crap that they put me through and I ventured into the arena of Political Blogging, Crooks and Liars was one of the first Blogs I ever went to.
Yeah, I'll admit it, I haven't always agree with everything that I've read here, But I'll give Mr. Amato credit, at least he's got the god damned brass balls, to tell it like it is about that Beady-eyed S.O.B. in the White House.
If anyone should be on Keith Olbermann's show, it should be John, it should be the owner of FireDogLake, It should be the owner of Talk Left, It should be the owner of Hullabaloo, (Digby) and many many other of the great names in Liberal Blogging. Instead of the so-called Pundits.
Again, I might not agree 100% with John, But I admire the hell out of him and I even copied his still just a bit. He might not know it, But I learned how to Blog, but watching his style.
There's an old saying, you're either a part of the problem or a part of the solution. I am happy to report than John is, in fact, a part of the damn solution!
Thank you John, for you what you do here.
I mean that man....
Patrick from Michigan.
[ok pat,don't post in all bold lettering again ok?........Site Monitor]
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 115:
Just a bunch of Hillary supporters crying a river on a Saturday night because they can't accept the fact that she is through and it's all her and her negative bullshit "kitchen sink" strategy's fault. They blame Obama, the MSM, and of course, us Obama supporters. Losers always point the most fingers.....except at themselves. Aaahahahahahahaha!!!
BaScOmBe whose saying “NO REPUGS” @ 116:
I would be willing to bet you 100 bucks you won't be banned. Never saw anybody here get banned for getting angry.
[you'd win that bet xoites...Site Monitor]
I would love to see Glenn Greenwald (legal & media), Juan Cole (Middle East issues), Cliff Schecter (Dem pundit & all-around tough guy), Ellen Ratner (daily DC goings on), Marcy Wheeler (legal), Josh Marshall (daily DC goings on), Spencer Ackerman (DC goings on), Nir Rosen (foreign policy), Davis Sirota (trade issues), Steven Hill (election reform issues), Flynt Leverett (foreign policy), Hillary Mann (foreign policy), Jeremy Scahill (Blackwater patrol), Naomi Klein (whatever she wants to talk about), Max Blumenthal (muckraker), Sam Stein (muckraker), Matt Taibbi (presidential campaign)
"I come back to a bunch of whiney, backstabbing bitches . . ."
Oooh. Well, poor you.
Don't worry. It's ok that you're sexist. You're part of a loud and definite minority.
I wrote that so quick, that I messed some words...
change out the word:
still = style
I sorry.... I just had to vent a bit, Mr. Site Monitor. :)
Yea, get over it, Keith-bashers. There are bigger problems looming out there than Olbermann.
No Blood for Hubris @ 125:
Don't know who you are but i know who BaScOmBe is. Tread lightly.
Keith Olbermann is a blowhard.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 36:
You always did have a kind heart...
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 130:
yeah,no shit.I'm sure the site moniter will luv this.
SK @ 131:
Nice argument. Well thought out and convincing.
You can go back to your tinker toys now.
not to worry, phoenix...
SNL is doing their part... rerun, with tina fey, already...
giving hillary some much needed love... just in time...
mudshark @ 133:
I don't think the site policy is that difficult to understand. We are all allowed to get angry and say so in no uncertain terms.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 134:
LOL
Stipulating right off the top that this is the best show on the 3 main cable nets by a good margin, there does seem to be plenty of room for improvement.
My take for what it's worth:
Agreed that Howard Fineman and Dana Milbank bring little but very reactive, kool kid beltway consensus, and in Milbank's case a perpetual smirk. I don't always agree with Alter, but he seems to be much more of an honest broker, so I'd keep him in full rotation.
More Rachel Maddow! Smart, unflappable, interesting.
Keep an eye on the Special Comment: The ego (which has always been both a dual edged sword for Keith going back to KCBS) is leading the messenger to overshadow the message. The increasing theatricality with which these missives are delivered is getting out of control and feeling contrived. Murrow let the words carry the rage, not the face.
More "sane" republicans or former republicans to add perspective to the nutballs who pass as GOP today -- John Dean is always fascinating, and people like Laurence Wilkerson and Lincoln Chaffee would be more great in these segments too.
Comedy: Not the show's strong suit. The light and fluffy segments are one thing, and round out the shows nightly trajectory from weighty to frivolous. But when Keith tries to set up comic bits in the last segment, it really falls flat. Keith is not a good straight man and the satellite is not a good venue for banter needing timing. Worst of all, Michael Musto is not and never was anyone's idea of a comic. Worst moments of the show ever are Musto attempting to deliver his snarky one liners.
O'Reilly is beneath contempt, and worthy of periodic shots, but Keith risks seeming obsessed and dropping to O'Reilly's level. Keith's better than that. He need to hold his fire for the real O'Reilly outrages, not the mundane stuff.
Finally, and this is none of my business, but if Keith wants to continue to transcend being an ordinary commentator and carry some weight as a moral voice of sanity in the face of the GOP Bullshit machine, he's only giving his adversaries ammo by letting his personal life and living arrangements get into the tabloid press.
End of my 2 cents.
Emma Hussein Goldman @ 47:
I'd vote for Naomi Klein in a heart beat... her book "The Rise of Disaster Capitalism" is an instant classic:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050502/klein
Paging Walter Cronkite...
treestump hussein @ 52:
I agree. Musto must go!
KO's show used to be objective and insightful...But I can't watch it anymore without practically puking...KO is totally in the tank for Barack Obama...I would posit that anyone who thinks Obama is a Progressive is totally delusional and should wake up and smell the coffee...The only Progressive who was in this race was Dennis Kucinich and you can see the respect and coverage the MSM gave him - None!
As far as race entering this presidential race, I have yet to hear mention of Obama's co-national chairman Jesse Jackson Jr. and his playing of the race card from the onset of the campaign...I feel anyone who wants some perspective on this issue should read the recent article in The New Republic by Sean Wilentz - "Race Man - How Barack Obama Played the Race Card and Blamed Hillary Clinton"...it might give you some idea whats been happening behind the scenes at the Obama campaign...
Everyone calling for Hillary to drop out of the race should realize that there isn't a chance that Obama can achieve the needed amount of delegates before the convention in Denver either...So I say let them fight it out and let the Super-delegates do what they were inteneded to do - not let the party select an unelectable candidate...
And in closing, I have one question for the ungrateful traitor Bill Richardson - Since New Mexico voted for Hillary Clinton will you be casting your vote as a super-delegate for her..?
it's been nice and it's been real.gn folks
Wish Keith had the sack to put Robert Parry on the tube.
keith @ 82:
I'm sorry. Obama does not have that kind of onside support. He's ran an honest and clean campaign among the muck, and some of the talking heads have noticed and appreciated this.
Hillary has shown herself to be the gaming, manipulative politician she is, and still gets a pass from the MSM.
I like Alter, Feinman, Maddow a lot. I also like Eugene Robinson. MSNBC needs to retire Pat Buchannan. Good grief we can all lip sing his remarks as he makes them. He doesn't like the War, but supports ever other conservative mantra and doesn't like minorities. Ed Schultz is as good on TV as he is on radio. He is quick and a good debater. How about Phil Donahue. A good liberal voice that had a good show until the corporate brass wimped out when he questioned the War. Since he was CORRECT, it might have some useful insight for the American public. How about some of the those retired Generals that have good insight. Zinni and Hoar both warned about the War and the Administration. I like John Dean, Jonathan Turley on the Constitution. Marjorie Cohn would be excellent too. Richard Clarke could give us insight into the crazy Administration, Dick, Condi and the Decider. Bruce Fein and Warren Rudman are conservatives with integrity. The combination is almost an oxymoron. There are a lot of good pundits, but some of the old gasbags needs to be let out to pasture. Scarborough is an idiot. How many mis-speaks, mistakes with the facts do you get before they pull your ticket?
I wish Keith would have more Rachel and Eugene Robinson and more Jonathon Turley and more John Dean.....( Rachel and Eugene seem to be on with David Gregory more now....bummmer.....BTW THAT is a NEW-cough- show that is stinking badly...so perdictable....)
What I want to know is when will David Shuster get his own show????!!!! I will never forget how he took Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) to the woodshed when she was complaining about the move-on ad in the NY times but didn't know the name of the last soldier from her district to die in Iraq. It was brilliant!!!!
Harold @ 18:
ROLFLMAO!
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