The Chris Matthews Show: Does Anyone Care About Obama's Race <I>More</i> Than Chris Matthews?
By Nicole Belle Saturday Mar 22, 2008 11:01am
In fairness to Tweety, I don't know if it is he who comes up with these Meter Questions asked of his panel of 12 regular talking heads. But even as others note Barack Obama's speech as the turning point of the campaign as a step towards post-race politics (and look at the overwhelming numbers of the pundits questioned), it's still all about race for The Chris Matthews Show.
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It looks like Matthews is still working the Rev. Wright scandal, completely undone by the notion that the African-American experience could be so far removed from his own. And in that otherness, he hears hatred. Perhaps Chris should see this:
Funnily enough that doesn't sound nearly as hateful to me as the musings on the upcoming Armageddon by Rev. Hagee, whose endorsement McCain was after "like a dog in heat" for almost a year, and yet, Tweety has complete blinders on this kind of hate.
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fuck America, what's so hard to understand about that? that's the way Obama's preacher feels so be it.
Guys, circulate this video around, and Hillary will be done. She has a MAJOR credibility issue now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y
In all fairness, Matthews is half-Arab. In that I mean that most of the things he says and does will lead us to be taken over by the Arabs at some point.
I saw this video just this morning while perusing youtube. I've also read the "Audacity to Hope" sermon... I will not denounce or reject Rev. Wright. The hard fact however is that we live in a soundclip society; one that believes still that it was attacked because they "hate our lifestyle" and so on... it's very difficult, Obama's task.
Could they have picked a worse picture for Obama in that second picture? It makes him look like a stuck-up snob. The only way they could've done worse is to throw up an old Polaroid from college where he's passed out drunk and has marker drawn all over his face.
Great clip from Wright on this Easter.
And WHY aren't the Media playing those clips of Hagee and Falwell and Robertson with their hateful diatribes, seeing THEY are the people that McBain has aligned himself with?
You have to wonder ... Could it be because the Extremist right OWN the media?
Also check out this full-context sermon (in two parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciWzbtiwUxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvcmqnju9PM
The media will whore the manufactured Wright "scandal" as long as they think McCain will benefit from it. It's the new Dean Scream--watch for it to lead the news every night through November, unless something better surfaces in the meantime.
That is one helluva sermon. Notice that if printed in gentile prose, few would be able to disagree with the specific points the pastor makes. But add his skin color, his tone of voice, and the enthusiasm of the congregants and suddenly it becomes threatening and a spectacle to be condemned on FoxNews. As you listen to the pastor's words and his heart, and he speaks of self-examination - consider who might be a better spiritual role model ... someone such as Rev. Wright or someone such as Sean Hannity or perhaps the Rev. Limbaugh?
What ELSE can you expect from that marshmallow?
I can't even call him a kracker. He is too spongy.
Why is anyone still making the comparison between Rev. Wright and Hagee or any other right-wing fundamentalist nutcase preacher? We know what they and those who listen to them stand for and we expect no better from them.
When listening to the things Rev. Wright has said I have to wonder why Barak Obama sought out and stayed with a preacher that is so mired in the injustice of the past and hasn't moved on and tried to heal himself as well as his congregation of the sorrow and the hatred. Racism does go both ways and I see Rev. Wright as someone willing to divide people rather than bring them together. And the things this man said about the Clintons, both of them, from the pulpit is not something any good Christian would do. Why is everyone just so willing to accept any vile thing said about either Clinton? She was not my choice, I wanted Edwards but I don't think she deserves what she is receiving from the media and the Obama supporters.
Of course, I don't think Tweety is the one to discuss any legitimate issue as he is just out of control. I can't watch him anymore.
Arrow @ 2:
You beat me to it. This link should be posted NOT on all the Liberal blogs, but on all the Conservative ones. It should be posted on all the MSM blogs including FOX News, CNN and PBS. And it should be sent to all your friends who seem even remotely swayed by this recent controversy.
But not for Obama's sake, rather ours. Let's make a new habit of alchemizing such petty politics into positive national discourse no matter who slings the first arrow. More than ever, it's high time to say Country before Party and mean it.
And then vote against McCain.
Bluesage @ 12:
The question is, Why do Hagee and Robertson and Falwell get a free ride with their brand of hatred while we hear Wright in endless loop on the media.
Madison Avenue types took over the political process.
i wish someone would mail msm outfits the full reel of what wright says in the post 9/11 address. "hatred begets hatred. violence begets violence. terrorism begets terrorism. etc"
it seems like a totally christian thing to say. our hands our not clean in the eyes of history. there is plenty of blood there. enough to give pause, before we go running half cocked around the world blowing up shit cuz 3000 got killed.
And biblically, God did damn the jews plenty of times when they strayed from the path of virtue, by having "pagan" armies, sack israel.
Personally i think. this is metaphorical. it means evil begets evil. you reap what you sow.
I am sorry. but the mighty united states is not above the laws of karma. It is a worthy lesson for any who would lead this nation or any other. calous thoughtless and violent actions have consequences.
"When I hear Obama speak I get a tingling feeling down my leg. Am I gay?" _Chris Mathhews
abob @ 17:
check for dampness
Bangkok Bob @ 14
The answer to that is probably that America has gone religiously insane over the past 25 years and no one seems to have noticed. We accept these snake-oil salesmen and give them riches and invite them into our politics.
There is all this unlimited opportunity to work for peace and to do and produce positive things for the world but that won't happen until people say enough is enough and start doing it.
Whats The Machine going to do? Say . . . no you can't have peace and you can't do positive things for the world thats just the way it is now go back into your room and tinker around in your myspace or facebook and do your beer bongs?
Matthews and the media are still mired in the early 60's, like the gossipy old white ladies when a black family would move into their neighborhood, watching like hawks for any reason to call the cops on them.
It's racism, period
Gee since all it takes to be a wonderful wonder candidate is to find someone who writes wonderful wonder speeches. Stand up in front of the TV and a bunch of zoned out kids and give it and be declared the most wonderful wonder person of the year.
Gee zee wheezie peezie why didn't someone think of that before....get a writer give a speech and get the crown. No matter you don't know you butt from a hole in the ground and get your supporters to slam your opponent...got it made all the good old boys love speeches.
It is oh so difficult to get Imperialism out of the Imperial Media and Jesus out of politics.
Democrats need to keep their eye on the ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieBg-CHWo-U
04:30
'when race is the issue Democrats tend to lose,
when class and economics problems are the issue Democrats win'
I wonder if Barack Obama could come out and make affirmative action a matter of class. I wonder if anyone but he could do it.
We know that he is not taking, and still at this point cannot, take Jesus out of politics.
Did any of you see Hardball the day of Obama's speech? I've never seen so much praise for a guy than Matthews gave to Obama on that day. Seriously, folks...is Mathews really THAT BAD? I'd wager he's an Obama supporter...
Bluesage @ 19:
Two years ago we had one of those Bible-Holding, Screaming guys on Kohsarn Road standing in the middle of the street about Jaysas and Brimstone etc. After about 20 minutes people made a circle around him all with their backs to him, then another line formed same way. Pretty soon there were about eight deep circles of people around him all with their backs to him. That was one of the great moments I ever had here to see that kind of unity to reject one of those kooks.
L.A. Confidential @ 20:
Or . . no your going to have to sit in front of your TV and watch Chris Matthews for advise and instruction while we prosecute the war on terror because thats just the way it is and the way it's going to be. Be grateful you have your daily bread and let us adults handle things.
MJAG Says @ 24
Tweety is, at best, bi-polar. He'll love them one day and trash them the next. He almost fainted when he saw W's Codpiece. He thinks Fred Thompson has the manly smell of aqua-velva. And he loves McCrazy. I don't really know what MSNBC is thinking.
I don't watch Mathews anymore. He's lost all credibility. I have no interest in the race issue, but as to trust...that's another matter. I have to trust and believe in a presidential candidate. And I have lost my faith in Obama. The speech didn't swerve me.
Bluesage @ 27:
Not to mention his blatant misogyny.
Mathews is playing up to a majority sadly. Look at all the blogs where supposed Dem supporters are dragging Obama over the coals over Wright. These are supposed to be Dems. This wouldn't even be an issue with Republican candidates because their biggest supporters are religious fanatics.
Bangkok Bob @ 29
Well, yes there sure is that too. lol
I very seldom watch the meat puppets except such as appear here and these generally highlight the more egregious examples of bias and superficial analysis. I prefer my meals as cooked rather than predigested by someone whose whole purpose of existence is to distort the truth.There are lots of people like that here. That being said, there are many of people who wouldn't know what to think without being told. These type of people listen to the Limbaughs and O'reillys of this world. The problem for those blow hards is that every time they reference and disparage something like Senator Obama's speech they lead some more people to actually listen to what he said. That is a very good thing and the reason why, in the end, we will win.
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Bluesage @ 27:
well, i will admit that he is annoying...cant say i gave heard the specifics of what you are saying. I do know that he is anti-war, though (and has been for years), which is more than you can say for many in the media.
I Matthews flogs his dog any harder he will fill the studio with burning penis smoke. Crikey Chris give it a rest.
I would never vote for Obama again. All the media are in bed with an empty suit.
Marge@22
Get with it already.
I'll post this , you post Hillaries record and see if you can convince me she is better....or McCains' record for that matter.
During Senator Obama’s first 8 eight months of elected service he sponsored over 820 bills.
He introduced 233 bills regarding healthcare reform,
125 bills on poverty and public assistance,
112 bills on crime fighting,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
In his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
(1)the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 that became LAW,
(2)The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act that became LAW, (3)The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that passed the Senate,
(4)The 2007 Government Ethics Bill that became LAW,
(5)The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill that is in committee just to name a few.
In all since he entered the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no legislative record.
All the pundits are still pushing the Wright "controversy" today on the Sunday talk shows. I saw it on Meet the Press and the McLaughlin Group. None of them mentioned McCain's ties to Hagee, Parsley, et al. Hillary Clinton also has her own religiosity problems, as a member of the Senate "Family" and its ties to the religious right as well. The so-called pundits will continue to push this story because of the issue of race, which many find divisive. Division/conflict helps boost network ratings. So they're going to milk this for all it's worth. Plus the networks know which side their bread is buttered on--the GOP.
What I find difficult to believe is that McCain is tied with both Democratic candidates right now in the polls. As long as the Democrats are still fighting over who will be the nominee, we can't unify to go after McCain. We can't use the DNC's apparatus to do that. Every indicator is against Clinton. She can't possibly win the popular vote, the states, the pledged delegates...and the super-delegates aren't going to divide the party by going against the pledged delegates. I wish Clinton would accept reality already. Her campaign is hurting our likely nominee and helping McCain.
Bill Young @ 36:
again, if this were true, the top two stories on digg right now, both showing Hillary caught red handed in a major lie, would have been replayed every 20 seconds on the news several days ago now.
Concerned Canuck @ 30
I'm a real Democrat and have been my entire adult life and I don't think Barack Obama has been raked over any coals. He's been asked legitimate questions and it seems even that is not allowed by his supporters. I have not been a Obama or Clinton supporter but I do believe that she is the most capable for the times we are in. Obama has been given pretty much a free ride in this campaign and I don't believe that questioning his judgement and his relationship to this angry and divisive man is out of the question. It is a legitimate question.
I just don't think Tweety is the one to do it.
marge....
you know back in the day. the mark of the superior race was that they were both physically stronger and intellectually adept. after jack johnson destroyed all the white boxing competition and no "great white hope" materialized to stop him. attitudes towards strength as a meter for the superior race began to change. Remember the berlin olympics and hitler's shame?
But then then story changed. brutes could be strong. just not intellegent. eloquence and an ability to communicate sound ideas soundly has been a mark of intellect since before shakespeare, and twain.
Now that a black man God forbid, and not the first, can move can inspire, not because of his mastery of the english languae, but because his mastery allows him to express profound ideas and call people to their more noble aspiration. Now speech, becomes just speech, eloquence becomes just eloquence...
Obama did not materialize out of the blue. He worked in the streets of chicago and the illinois senate, before he came to washington and has stood up for the right and shirked the fast life and the pursuit of money for more noble aspirations, which he is able to express to the people now....
but the eyes of the blind see only darkness. woe unto all of you, who persist in bitterness and hate against a man who strives, even for as you hiss and brew your poision, for your ultimate welfare...
Tina @ 28:
Faith comes from believing things for you which you have no proof.
Reason comes with those things for which you have proof.
Here, for me are things that are proved by Barack Obama's speech, they come not from just the hearing or the telling of, but my careful study of the text:
1) He is a person of substantial intellect. He wrote the speech, he is not just another actor.
2) He is a person of great courage.
3) He is a statesman of the first order.
Finally, finally, a post to place Rev. Wright's comments in the proper context. People like Matthews and the rest of the mass media along with the [alleged] agent of hope and change Barack Obama are very quick to distance themselves from Rev. Wright without attempting to examine the uncomfortable truths concerning the policies of the often less than benign United States. This link also provides more reasons why Americans should examine the role that the United States has played in interfering in the affairs of other countries which inevitably ends up creating death and destruction for those countries that the U.S. decides to allegedly help. It would be undoubtedly true that if Martin Luther King Jr. were alive today that he would be saying essentially the same thing that Rev. Wright has been saying and receiving the same scorn and contempt that has been given to Rev. Wright. But it should be noted that Dr. King pointed out very similar uncomfortable truths about this country in his Beyond Vietnam speech in 1967 in which he urged the United States to immediately withdraw its troops from that quagmire in a place called Vietnam. The United States once again finds itself in a quagmire of its own making in Iraq but yet Obama, that alleged agent of hope and change, is not calling for the immediate withdrawal of troops from that abattoir in Iraq. Barack Obama, I have heard Dr. King speak and your words cannot come close to matching the wisdom and courage and veracity of Dr. King.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Iraq-IQ-Test-Wright23feb03.htm
http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/Documents/HRC%20Years/HRC%201996.pdf
pages 468 to 471 show that the video circulated could not be something else. even mentions the little girl. there's no spin out of her lie on the Bosnia trip.
40 Bluesage
I didn't say not to question though. What some people fail to see, is the entire speech Wright gave and who he quoted when saying those remarks. There really was nothing "racist" or "anti-American" in his sermon that I saw. What I saw was reality. It's a tough pill to swallow, but you can't blame Obama for the opinions of his minister, his dry cleaner, his newspaper delivery boy, or anyone else. The one's in Hillary's campaign that have been questioned the same way deserve it as well and when you analyze the differences, her campaign is terrible.
If you don't support Obama that is fine, but I have to ask, why do people support Hillary, when her campaign has now more than once recommended the opposition candidate, over someone in her own party? That is unheard of.
Bill Young @ 36:
Right, that's why the media is flogging the race issue and showing the Wright clip in an endless loop 24/7 and why the media keeps ignoring McCain's friendship with Hagee.
ConcernedCanuck @ 45:
Maybe Clinton hopes to run on the McCain ticket?
44 Gion
It isn't her first fabrication, and apparently won't be the last. She also says she went on a wonderful trip to Africa with Amb. Wilson, when in fact, she didn't. Her "memory" lapses seem a tad convenient in her stump speeches.
Hannah Hussein @ 42:
4) I couldn't care less what he looks like.
Here's a few more Jeremiah Wright clips:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO
Wright doesnt strike me as racist or hatefull at all. He is passionate and compassionate. Speaks of the poor, the hungry etc. Speaks of the power of faith like any other normal christian minister. I dont think Wright is any more racist then the next guy. He doesnt hate America. He doesnt hate white people. But he hates injustice. And his angry of the injustice black people all over the world have had to endure, and stil have to endure to this day. Thats an anger which is understandable, unless you live in a bubble thinking racism is thing of the past, that it ended in 1960s, that people should just get over it..
Now if you wanna hear some hate just listen to pastor John Hagee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcPfBQCT40M
Hagee doesnt care about the poor or the hungry, or injustice. Hagee does not speak of the fundamental peacefull message of Jesus. For 50 minutes Hagee speaks of Armageddon. Hagee talks about global war against the evil hatefull "Islamics".
Its 50 minutes of uninterupted warmongering, hatecrusading against Islam, painting it as "a culture of death", smearing the entire Islamic world, culture and history with the most vile lies. According to Hagee, these "Islamics" hate Americans because "..its their religious duty to hate us! They hate us because theyre trained from the breast of their mother to hate us!"
Disgusting..
47 Leslie Says: Maybe Clinton hopes to run on the McCain ticket?
The thought isn't as odd as it sounds. The DLC is very similar to the Republicans and the Clintons are the DLC. Man, that would shock the nation, wouldn't it?
Concerned Canuck @ 45
I don't blame Obama for anything but I do question the close relationship with such a man for such a long time. It's a question of judgement. I don't question that Obama is a very intelligent and accomplished man or that he is a great orator and if he is the nominee I will most certainly vote for him. As far as Hillary, I have not supported her but I have defended some of the unneccessary attacks on her. Right now I feel that she may be more capable to handle the nightmare we will surely be handed in 09. And maybe Obama still needs to grow a little and be more ready later. Either way it is absolutely necessary to elect a Democrat in Nov. so we can get about fixing the clusterfuck George will leave us.
Yes all of you who care that he just may become the next President of the United States of America, for the reason, he happens to be black and you refuse to get over this kind of warped thinking that someone may not be able to do the job because of their color.
That is crazy and most smart well thinking white Americans are on to that and are not buying it this time. They know that the situation they now find themselves in, were not brought on by black people and that is for sure.
And they know that all people regardless of color are inclined to screw up and it all depends on where your head is in the first place and many of these people now in charge have shown they simply do not care about the greater need of looking out for all the people in this country. They are self serving and the tactics they use to get there are clear.
Yes all of you that don't do your home work and sit up and watch right wing media to lead you by your nose, instead of really looking at the big picture. You have not connected the dots, that would tell you that you are being made a fool of by these basic two bit thugs in suits, that are all following scripts, given to them by their big daddy bosses, who are racking in billions of our money that Biush and Cheney have allowed them all excess to do.
Yes all of you who are making your money off the very people who are financing the Clinton campaign and that until recently, have stopped or can't because of the limits of there contributions, which are among other things a dead give away of the very rich people involved in the Clinton camp (rich corporate america), as apposed to average Americans donating $5/$10 to the Obama camp, who are so tired of this kind of mess.
Yes all of you who sit out here and engage in the right wing driven Zogby polls, that have not been right on anything sense the 2000 election and from that point on has also been engaging in right wing politics, in a cheap attempt to drive the issues in the wrong direction and are also scared shitless, that they will become a low on the totum poll issue in furture elections, because of their willingness to lie and cheat and play with the numbers, as they are doing using right wing polling data for our democratic process and they know they are doing this, just like they also know they are playing with the data driven voting machines, just like they are doing with republicans they are asking to vote in the democratic process to get a right wing desired outcome.
Yes and last but not least, all the right wing driven Rupert Murdock owned media, who have lied and cheated the American people for the last eight years, just for the fun of it.
Never mind all the death and distruction they have assisted Bush and the Republicans in achieving, with the willfull, witholding of information about any and everything going on in this country. They would have a problem with an Obama presidency because he is honest and trustworthy and will not be engaging in the bull shit they have become accostomed to, which is exactly why he does not take money from corporate America, like Queen Hillary does. They will call him on it and in his case will be able to hang up the dame phone in there nasty disgusting faces, which will make American people very happy campers.
ConcernedCanuck @ 48:
She singlehandedly opened Kosovo's borders and brought peace to Ireland too, or so she's claimed.
StCyrlyMe2 @ 53:
"...most smart well thinking white Americans..."
Uh huh. "...most..."? Just how many of those are there?
Wake up, will ya? On second thought, screw it...it's too late for that.
In her 35 years of political experience I'm sure your bound to find teenie tiny little ity bity fabrications.....like that she has 35 years of political experience
StevePam @ 56:
LOL.
Gion @ 33:
Thats like a certain general who got his only combat medal (needed for future political use) from a faked distant mortar attack.
Leslie @ 54
Why is that kind of remark necessary? We are told that it's the Clinton camp that is dividing the Democrats but when you read these blogs it appears that it's the opposite. Why can't this just play out and then we all get behind the Democratic nominee?
Bluesage @ 59:
Clinton endorsed McCain over her Democratic rival. You don't think that's divisive?
The reason I have a hard time with letting this play out is that: 1) She can't possibly win 2) Clinton keeps playing the race card, which is divisive 3) Clinton keeps falsely claiming that she and McCain have more experience than Obama, which is damaging and divisive 3) Bill is now claiming that Hillary and McCain are more patriotic than Obama, which is divisive 4) Clinton's only hope, a slim one, is to hold on long enough to divide the superdelegates at the convention, which is divisive. Clinton's campaign has gone extremely negative and her attacks on Obama are helping McCain. That's why I don't want this to play out until the Convention. McCain is not to be underestimated. And I believe Clinton is boosting his chances of winning the White House.
erick say "fuck America, what’s so hard to understand about that? that’s the way Obama’s preacher feels so be it."
SmallPenis says "In all fairness, Matthews is half-Arab. In that I mean that most of the things he says and does will lead us to be taken over by the Arabs at some point."
White America in general cannot take contructive criticism and any notion that they are wrong is insanely attacked. Denial, denial, denial.
What goes around comes around! The Golden Rule! What is it you don't understand? He is not being hateful. Hagee, now that is psyco-sociopathic bull!
Leslie @ 60
And maybe you haven't questioned any of those Obama campaign talking points. But then the media has definately been a good partner in that endeavor to paint the Clinton's as racist. I don't want to argue these points because it will do no good. I personally think all politicians are questionable characters so it is very hard for me to understand this idolatry of Obama. It's excessive and unnatural - he's a politician. It's also hard for me to understand the necessity of demonizing Hillary.
Seems like the things condemned by Wright are the consequences of conservative policies and values which are based on hate,greed,racism and lying. Why the big concern over the opinions of people who believe in a magical being watching over and controling the universe and every person in it. The foolish people you see waving their arms around,rolling on the floor,talking in tongues, hanging on every hypocritic word uttered from the pulpit, are the very people the conservatives know they can successfully lie to. And to the battle of good vs evil ,easily led to war. Matthews real reason for his passion on Obama is his secret desire to know how big his penis is, he should just get it over with and ask him.
Bluesage@62, nicely said. This has become an intense process..this democratic primary. But to me the Obama fan club does not act like any democrats I have ever known; so my guess is that this is their first time at the Rodeo. They have hated numbnuts george and company, and found Obama and became true believers, god bless 'em. There are lot of new democrats and independents in this group and as such seem thin-skinned. They also do not believe that their guy is a politican who is capable of dirty tricks. They blame all things bad on the clinton-machine; they don't read the New York Times either, cause if they did...they would learn that there is an Obama-machine too; and Axelrod is driving that sucker. Anyway my point is that this is the normal vetting process among democrats...rough to be sure, but better now that in the fall. If the democrats did it the old way (winner take all) like it was for McCain, Hillary would already be the winner even wihtout Michigan and Florida. The Obama fan club is yelling at me now....I can feel it through the ether. They want Hillary to step down just before she wins Pennsylvania, they want no votes counted for Michigan and Florida; they wont succeed on the former but may in the latter. But no suffrage for those two states does give Obama a clean victory, it will come with a curse. and the republians could not be happier. Last question: do the Obama people think that Hillary and Bill will not need to show up for the fall campaign? She is very close to him in sheer numbers, but passes him in regestered democrats. And if her voters sit on their asses .......he is toast.
Somewhere, Branch Rickey is smiling.
Chris Matthews should be off everybody's radar screen anymore. He is a mental midget, like Chris Wallace and Tucker Carlson. Not one of these is worth any attention whatsoever.
wait....they know how many hits obama's speeches have got on youtube, but they dont know that you can view wright's entire sermons on youtube??
the state of todays media is disgusting
douglas in oklahoma @ 64:
What are you talking about?
I can only speak for myself, but initially I couldn't decide between the Democratic front-runners and was leaning toward Edwards. After he dropped out, I was torn between Clinton and Obama. But Clinton made the decision much easier after she endorsed McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee. I consider that a betrayal of the Democratic party.
No one, neither Clinton nor Obama, has requested that Florida and Michigan votes not be counted. Just the reverse! But both Florida and Michigan's legislatures decided not to do a revote. The legislatures decided that, not the candidates. And there's no way Hillary is the winner now or even close to Obama's numbers, even if she wins Pennsylvania. The numbers aren't there. Obama is ahead in the popular vote by over 800,000. He holds a lead of over 100 pledged delegates and he's winning super-delegates--he won 48 more, while Clinton has lost 5. Clinton would have to get over 65% of the vote in the remaining states to gain in the popular vote over Obama. Her chances of winning are about 10%.
Oh, and by the way, I read the NYT. The Clinton campaign has behaved far more badly than Obama's. [See Clinton's endorsement of McCain.]
"But to me the Obama fan club does not act like any democrats I have ever known"
have you ever been to Hillaryis44.com ?
please. you're being insulting. MoveOn, DailyKos and many major Dem boosters are behind Obama. there are many fine Dems behind Hillary. saying the Obama fan club are not real Democrats, etc is absolutely insulting and just plain wrong.
by the way, yes, why the hell is noone covering the Hillary in Tuzla video? I've seen it and its absolutely damning. If Obama had said this he'd be giving his concession speech and getting ready to die in a corner somewhere sucking his thumb...
The correct answer to C & L's question is YES!
There is someone who cares more about 'race' than Matthews/GE.
Meet another Barack Obama hatemonger/profiteer.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633
Their choice of photo for their cover shot tells everything doesn't it?
That's brought to you by the same people who also had another cover story that said "WHY TELEVISION IS GOOD FOR KIDS".
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1114-02.htm
Ok Obama guys get your rocks out; here is why I fear the man will not win. It is a question of disillusionment. As he began his campaign last year the press went soft on him and America took a look and liked what it saw. The Obamas looked good, dressed well, spoke well, had proper educations, and looked so young and lean. As Axelrod's work to put Obama over as a contender, was working well, he did not seem to worry about misconceptions. The race issue: was working in Obama's favor..he did not have to talk much about it and American could assuage it's collective guilt over the race issue by voting for a black canidate, and put it behind us. Then Obama needed a hook to show a profound difference between himself and Hillary: JUDGEMENT ...that was the key. 2002 , a war speech against....proving that his judgement was superior to her experience,talent, or acccoplishments. Then came the trial of tony rezko, and the money dealings for more than a decade with Obama; then came Rev Wright and this is what knocked America on her ass. The masses had nothing really negative in their minds regarding Obama; but the Obamas were coming off as this loverly and proper Episcopalian couple from Chicago. Shocking to a lot of folk ..fair or unfair..so what this is politics and perception is the name of the game. And how did Axelrod and Obama not know a year ago that this was going to be a big deal. And now in order to defend his church he has become the Black Canidate..not the democrat who happens to be black; and his judgement..well...no longer perfect, feet of clay just like all humans. So the press is to be blamed for a lot of this, but Obama chose to run for president...so the buck stops there. All the people I know here in Oklahoma who love him, are just walking around scraching their heads WHAT HAPPENED? back to my theme DISILLUSIONMENT
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 29:
I just realized what group Chris Matthews is fishing for.
Angry, repressed, closeted, homosexual, misogynistic, right wingers.
You know, those guys that are married, talk about how much they hate their wives, love Bush and Cheney, and visit trust stop bathrooms for hook-ups with burly long haulers?
It's the only thing that can explain his blatant hate for women and not so hidden (or remotely subtle) man-love.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. I have nothing against homosexuals. I just don't like phonies.
Someone should encourage the Log Cabin Republicans to publicly announce him as one of their own.
vonda read me clearly, I was speaking to the Obama fans on these blogs; they are insulting and shrill and of one attitude: hateful....I would never say all...but you proved my point, as a democrat I will be voting for the Nominee of my party in the fall. But I want that person to win...not a vailiant lost cause one more time to the republicans. and the daily kos is shit, sorry just how i feel...try the democratic undergound and McCamy Taylor...great.
hazmaq @ 71:
The MSM, Chris Matthews included, is pushing a smear of Rev. Wright to generate a 'controversy' about Senator Obama.
I have listened to his 'chickens coming home to roost' sermon, and found it refers to Ambassador Peck, former envoy to Iraq, who said that. Later in the sermon, Rev. Wright speaks movingly of the people who died in the World Trade Center, and admonishes us to reflect on our relationship with God instead of seeking revenge.
The 'God Damn America' speech was referring to the Bush administration and false patriotism. Before he spoke the words played in the Fox News clip, he spoke words talking about how governments change - how the Dred Scott decision no longer stands, how we no longer have separate water fountains for blacks - he even took time to praise the Clinton administration.
The 'Hillary was never called a n*' speech was a reflection on how Jesus was born a poor child in a manger, instead of a rich child in a mansion. He was stating that rich whites don't know what it is to be a poor black man, but God does - and God teaches us to love our neighbors.
Rev. Wright is using hyperbole and drama as counterpoints to his real point - an effective technique. If you see the full sermons, and not the carefully edited clips from Fox News and ABC, you will see a totally different picture of Rev. Wright. You should all know better than to trust the MSM. Too many in the left blogosphere are taken in by this crap. As an old white redneck from the South, I would attend TUCC if I lived in Chicago.
oopsie....senior moment.... did i say "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb IRAN???" i meant... IRAQ...
hey... is it too late to call the bombers back.... i mean... do they have a short wave radio or something....
can we get a DO_OVER out here.... somebody call them MUSLIMs and tell them to duck...
ekwhite, were you out there defending Geraldine Ferraro when she was being accused of racism, or Bill Clinton in South Carolina, or Hillary when she brought up LBJ? The race card cuts both ways. The black population is around 16% in the United Sates; and in some states a giant majority has voted for him, but not all. My friends of African descent are not happy with the way Obama is playing this thing out. And many black churches in Oklahoma and Texas are shocked at the crudeness and rudeness of the Rev Wright's church. Politics is a game of perception and public relations; and the style Obama is using is heavy, and self-righteous. I want a president who can get us together, and so far all I can see he has united is his voting base and a lot of the press...not me yet and my side of the democratic party. and without Michigan and Floirda...how can anyone in his camp say suffrage was given to all democrats in this primary?
Finally get to see the big. bad, scary, black preacher speak.....geez I'm totally against "organized" Christianity and I'd go listen to that man preach. But when the BBSBP threatens the establishment he's got to be vilified and reviled. Barack's been listening to this message for years, that's who I want inspiring and guiding this country. It's about time we got our collective heads out of our collective asses and walked our talk.
Can I get an amen brothers and sisters? I knew I could.
Obama '08
"The Chris Matthews Show: Does Anyone Care About Obama’s Race More Than Chris Matthews?"
Well, yes. Barack Obama and his campaign cares more about race than Chris Matthews or anyone else.
They made that known first and foremost back in November when Michelle Obama said on a nationally televised interview that "black America" will start supporting her husband more than Hillary Clinton as soon as they "wake up and get it", followed up by invoking Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks as Obama began to do in every one of his early speeches.
The Obamas introduced race first and biggest in this campaign for the same reason Obama refused to disassociate himself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright through his State Senate campaigns/wins and in through the bulk of this presidential campaign; he was wooing "black America" votes as the black candidate with the kind of credentials a close relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright provides him.
If anyone at MSNBC would stop getting a hard on everytime they talk to or about Barry Obama.....Maybe they could ask about HIS RACISM..
Perhaps Obama can answer in his own words: From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"
From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".
From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"
From Dreams Of My Father, "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.
From Dreams Of My Father:
"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."
So Much To Note
Partisan Commentary
Everything coming out of MSNBC is designed to hurt Hillary Clinton. They have become a single focused network who are trying to frame the current debate. It is a power trip unlike any in the media. CNN, with Wolf Blitzer's crowd, has qualities similar but not at the level MSNBC's Chris Matthews takes it. This network is arrogant, conservative and a danger to the American political system.
Behind this exercise in power, MSNBC buys and pays for their influence. I had high hopes for Kieth Olbermann, but he has become just another paid talking head who have stop reporting the news for creating it. A question still remains: Is Matthew's manipulation of facts beyond what the media's roll should be? I think not.
A Code Of Silence
The Rev. Wright scandal speaks to a shared silence in America. This silence is under a code of silence. How dare Rev. Wright break that silence. Wright speaks to the truth, and I would not mind going to one of his sermons for more of that truth. This country is in denial. We don't kill babies; we cause "collateral damage." We don't bomb the innocent; we kill suspected terrorist and everyone better say it that way. If you don't, you unpatriotic. Maybe it is timed to wake up and tell the Chris Matthews of the world to stop scheming and tell the truth.
Matthews Is In A Delicate Place
Chris Matthews has did a lot to hurt the Democratic Party. He's shot down their front runner. The non stop bashing of Hillary Clinton was very effective. It worked. However, it worked too well. Now, The very person he used to second place Clinton has become too powerful. Matthews has went into the final phase of his plan early. He is mildly attacking Barack Obama. This attack was suppose to come after Obama was nominated. Matthews will ride the line, being able to say whatever suits him should he need to move in full attack of Obama. He will as sure as Matthews is conservative and in support of John McCain.
Joseph
Floridiot @ 21:
You have that right.
This is what Obama was talking about. While mcsnowball gets a free pass, Obama must jump through a fire hoop, blindfolded, backward then turn water into
whinewine.America likes its racist ties.
Look for a fight to break out between Chris Matthews and Norah O'Donnel over who gets to sleep with Obama (first). Geezz.....
BAC
Bill Young @ 81:
You are as ignorant as a day is long. Obama spoke of his life, not the life you think or want him to have.
douglas in oklahoma @ 78:
Yeah right. [rolling eyes]
the reason tweety has binders on to hagee's hate is he is an
integral part of it.
To :Bill Young, It’s Me,Chicken “Hussein” Little - Not!!,douglas in oklahoma...
Listen uo guys..We already know how you feel about Obama..Obama is bad,so bad,so naughty,so mean,he is so obama, he's worst than junior bush,he killed baby jesus,Obama is responsible for the roaming charges on your phones.. Yes yes he is so bad for America... And john bomb bomb mc cain will be a better choice....Now can you guys please move on with your hatred for a DEMOCRATIC candidate and pledge your support for mccain in case senator Clinton doesn't make it? Yes yes we get it..obama baaaad,,, Move on people ,move on.
Of course Obama will get the nomination.
He can do no wrong.
Every day the Times has three or four stories about Obama.
Obama says this. Obama has lunch. Obama goes to church.
Nothing about Clinton unless it is a story about the trials of her campaign.
Obama, who was going nowhere, took the advice of folks like Arianna and Dowd and went negative.
Everybody jumped in. Bill is defined as a racist. Now he is defined as the new McCarthy.
Hillary is a racist.
Obama answers the question about whether he thinks Wright's comment about the attack on the U.S.
in Sept. 2001 being a result of an imperialist foreign policy by talking about race. The press loves it.
It is part of Easter sermons.
Obama will face McCain - probably with Gov. "let's make a deal I can get the Hispanic vote for you" Richardson.
The press has been giving passes to both these guys.
They will have to choose which one to abandon.
We will be stuck with whomever they choose.
Thanks Obama for a lousy campaign.
Thanks media for rekindling your soppy love affair with McCain.
See ya in 2012, I hope.
Jack Lefforts, #89 covers it pretty well.
Last night I watched the same national news program I watch almost every evening.
BIG NEWS! Did you know Obama has REGAINED his lead over Clinton in the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll??!!
Oh, wait a minute. You mean you didn't KNOW he had ever lost his lead over Clinton in that poll? Yeah, for almost a week Hillary's rating had been climbing above Obamas in that poll, which was a big reversal from where it had been for several weeks before that.
But, you say you hadn't heard that Hillary Clinton had surpassed Barack Obama in that poll over the last several days? Gee, maybe that's because this national news organization NEVER MENTIONED IT ONCE.
But THE VERY DAY Obama regained a lead in that poll it was covered on this nightly news service as a headline.
Joseph @ 82:
My comments at #43 basically echo what you had written under the paragraph of A Code of Silence. One can imagine what the pundits today and the savior of the Democratic party, Barack Obama, would say if Martin Luther King had been giving the same speeches if he were alive today. But as I noted at comment #43, King did do that when he gave his Beyond Vietnam speech in 1967. One could bet the farm that Obama would be just as quick to distance himself from what King would have said, if he were to denounce American imperialism, as he has when he denounced what the Rev. Wright dared say about American hegemony.
Matthews: But is his transformative argument working? If you listen to conservative radio........ [followed by clips of Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham]
I'm not sure Matthews even listened to the "transformative argument," which demonstrated serious, nuanced understanding of multiple racial perspectives. That aside, the fact that Obama's speech failed to convince the likes of Limbaugh and Ingraham is not news, Chris! Nothing will convince them, the "Reagan Democrats" who listen to them, or anyone who thinks like them.
Will the race issue end up giving Hillary Clinton the nomination?
The Matthews Meter, huh? What a sorry excuse for a news program. Why ask such a ridiculous question? Why try to predict the political effect of the issue? You're not experts. You can't predict any better than any bloke blogging in his pajamas.
If you're going to analyze such a serious issue, why not instead discuss the merits and faults of Obama's arguments? This right here, this stupid question, is precisely what's wrong with media today. It covers how an issue affects a horse race, not the issues themselves.
Page: Jeremiah Wright, I've seen the man preach. Long before I knew he was Barack Obama's minister. People knew he had been Oprah's minister. There's a side to him that has not been shown on these clips. He is a marine. He is a guy who has had---
Matthews: Ok.
Page: tremendous program for black families, etc---
Matthews: Could you get those tapes out? [smiles]
Could he get those tapes out? What the fuck is your job Chris? Aren't you a reporter with your own TV show? Two of your own TV shows? Don't you have staff working for you to discover that material? People who could, say, I dunno, watch YouTube for you?
Chris Matthews seems to think that it is his job to sit passively and watch events unfold, and then offer off-the-cuff opinions about them. No, Chris, that's not even a legitimate end of citizens sitting on their couches watching you! And the reason we have YouTube, blogs and other citizen-based, internet outlets is that so many of us out here in Not-On-Television-Land are active participants in politics.
We do our job as citizens. Why won't you wake up and do yours?
I don't know if I will ever blog about the elections in the US again. There is nothing honorable in politics in the US anymore. I don't think the Founding Fathers will proud. They will be ashamed. This is a proud country. But politicians do everything to kill that honor and pride. http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/23/the-founding-fathers-will-be-ashamed/
I listened to all of the Wright clip, and I heard no hate speech or racism. There was no call to violence or denigration of any group. The message I got was that we shouldn't be in a hurry to revenge 9/11 by killing innocent civilians.
Chris Matthews strikes me as one of those guys that goes to cocktail parties, is one of the "beautiful people", has a bit too much to drink, develops a hyena-like laugh, and irritates the hell out of everyone with loud opinionated bullshit, and is not even aware of it. Friends roll their eyes and tolerate it.
Here I can choose to watch or NOT. Gotta like that. Yes, indeedy!!
That seems to be a lot to read into a guy, but...
ben at 88...your hyperbole is smug and unctuous; I care for it not a lick: but I would not be an ass and ask you to get off the stage or change parties. I am a life long democrat and embrace the primary process to find the winning canidate: you sir are welcome to join the fray. No matter how blooody rude you get. Your vote counts too, even thought I'd be loathe to buy you a libation.
Crazy as a shithouse rat. I am a fervent Obama supporter.. caucused for him, and eagerly awaited his nomination and election.
This crazy old fool has done everything possible to sink Obama.. and yet he calls himself his "friend".. and his "spiritual advisor". Sickening.
Any retard knows the truth about HIV, and the fight by dedicated scientists to overturn it.. and what does this old fool do: Foments the ignorant. filling them with hatred for their own government.
And... despite all his phony tears for those who died in the attacks... he says "well, why not? It's just America's chickens coming home to roost".
Well, you stupid jerk.. I hope some of YOUR chickens come home to roost.. and SOON>
[[[93 Angry African on the Loose Says:]]] This is a proud country. But politicians do everything to kill that honor and pride.
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8===>>Angry African speaks truth. Keep loosing yourself on a stooopid public.
Below are some links to the more complete sermons of Jeremiah Wright.
Anyone who watched the media over the past two weeks would never get a balanced story.
Also, some commentary by Roland Martin.
Context of "chickens coming home to roost" comment:
Entire "God Damn America" sermon:
BaScOmBe whose saying “NO REPUGS” @ 99:
These troll don't want a honest debate about ethnicity, they want to continue to waddle in the mud of lies and division.
Mathews ia a poopie pants!
hgm Hussein@100 Obama's entire speech from last Tuesday morning along with five to twenty sermons (full speech in context), is a hard sell to most Americans; where are you going to sit them down and have them devote a few evenings to the whole story, from your point of view? Sound bites and unfair negative slants have been used for months against the Clintons, and now you hit the outrage limit, 'cause it's your guy? This is politics, from swift-boaters , to calling Hillary and Bill racist; somehow I get the impression you could give a damn when that happened. It is the canidate's job to sell themselves, and if they used to be a member of something not mainstream....sooner than later is always the call. Obama and Axelrod chose to wait until the Rev Wright's many videos came out. And if you hate this part of the political process, just wait until the republicans and their many employees come after Obama. There is just not time to go door to door to un-ring a bell this loud. The so called clinton-machine had nothing to do with the Rev or Rezko; it is Obama's history. Your defense of your man is dead on support, but his followers are TRUE BELIEVERS and will stand by him no matter what. The Clinton supporters and Independents and cross-over republicans are your real goal. good luck
I couldn't watch Bush #1.
When he came on TV, I jumped to switch channels.
Shortly after Clinton got elected, he bombed Iraq. He said it was because they had threatened Bush #1. Many innocent civilians died. I couldn't watch him anymore either.
Bush #2? Well, that's obvious. Immediate switching of channel to preserve digestion.
I'm already leaping to change the channel or radio station at the sound or sight of Obama.
He is such a bullshitter I can't stand it.
McCain's voice is like fingernails on a blackboard.
No wonder people are watching that wonderful sport called "Poker".
hey jack at 103, what brand of tv ya got? If it's mine, I'll send you one of my extra remotes; all that jumping up to switch channels...is wearing me out.
Obama’s, “typical white person”, when refering to his own grandmother. Was that a curled lip on his face? If a “white person” were to say in public any connatation of, “typical black person”, they would be labled a racist. Does the shoe fit?
Erroll @ 43:
Why Not Take All Of Him
For America, Barack Obama is alright to be president as long as he confirms to the mass denial American is in. At the rate Obama distanced himself from Rev. Wright, you must conclude he is very aware of that denial. The questions becomes: Will Obama keep some of the shared secrets American refused to admit? Will he call the baby killing "collateral damage?"
The problem is not Obama. It is the media, who consistently wants to frame issues and attacks anyone who does not confirm to their lies. To is credit, Obama is doing what he must do to be president. This speaks to his competitive nature. Check it out, CNN, MSNBC, and the all the rest of the Fox News wantabees march out commentator after commentator who specialize in sugar coding the truth, if not all out manipulation of it. We our under a conservative dominated media unlike any in America's history.
The claim there is a so called left-wing media bias is a form of "playing the referee --" a way of confusing who is really misleading the people. Accuse the left of what the right is doing. CNN does this when they make the claim the media is attacking Obama because they want to run against Hillary Clinton. They do this in spite of their over critical negative coverage of Clinton. It is almost like calling the viewers stupid and unable to call anything like it is.
The conservative media hold is wrongly influencing the Democratic primary process. We need to send a message to congress we want the media out of our election process. They can report it but not create it.
Joseph
Bluesage @ 40:
Free ride? If he were being or had been given a free ride there would NEVER be this question of how HE plans to transcend race (the race issue) or get the WHITE vote. No one asks that of white candidates. They also wouldn't harp on the bogus question of his experience given that his main opponent has no more than he does and some would argue has even less.
Bill @ 105:
No, the shoe doesn't fit because typical of white people in America, when it comes down to a racial issue, they hear what they want to hear and infer all manner of ill will from it. All this talk about the descriptor he used for his grandmother is far off base considering the man is bi-racial and has already said he cannot deny any of his heritage in any way shape or form.
Ted Precht @ 97:
The phrase 'chickens coming home to roost' is not a celebration of the homecoming. It is illustrative of the karmic rule that what goes around comes around. In that particular piece he asked WHY NOT a lethal catastrophe in America. We're not immune to bad karma. That's all. There was nothing malicious in the question.
Of course, too many of my white fellow American citizens prefer to infer ill will because they're so unaccustomed and intolerant of any view of America that is not lock-step with their own.
douglas in oklahoma @ 78:
I doubt you have very many friends of African descent. And, you give us too much credit, we're only around 12% of the population.
Obama gave a major race speech. Obama apparently believes we're not talking enough about race. Is anybody more race obssessed than Obama? Has any white woman ever been publicly thrown under the racial bus with more force than Obama's grand mother?
Thanks for posting the sermon excerpt. From listening to it, it is apparent to me that the noise surrounding Pastor Wright's words is but a "tempest in a teapot", manufactured by those who desire to see that Obama is not the dem candidate against mccain.
I do not know who started all of this - repukes like rove, bush, cheney, the surviving neocons who aren't yet rich enough, mccain, etc., or dems who see an advantage to having Clinton as the nominee.
It doesn't matter - as the damage has been done. The politically ignorant majority in this country have listened to the sound bites from foxnews, CNN, MSNBC, etc. and have already made up their minds regarding Obama and his relationship to his pastor.
Let us hope that the more astute among them see this for what it is - the beginning of the "swift-boating" of Obama. Too many in Washington, and in the corporations fear what Obama may bring to the WH - integrity and truth. Unfortunately, I fear for his safety, should he gain the nomination that he so richly deserves.
Obama's grandma: Why you put my private words out in the street like that?
Obama: Sorry grandma. It's politics.
abob @ 111:
Are we? In a constructive manner? Is it an issue we really address maturely?
He's obsessed? Could you explain that?
This is probably the most bizarre argument to surface in this debate. How, exactly, did Obama throw his grandmother under a proverbial bus?
Mastery of the English language is over rated. Who cares? Any Hollywood screenwriter worth their salt can write a good speech which is why I don't get all this rah-rah Happy Horse Manure everytime BO stands in front of a freaking podium. Without it, he's basically a stumble bum as he has shown in the debates, as he has shown in question and answer sessions (unless its Keith Obamaman doing the questioning) and he wasn't exactly pressed too hard in any of the debates as guys like Russert gave him hearts and flowers.
More telling signs for me ARE the off the cuff statements: I have never been proud of America until now? And no, you don't get a freaking mulligan every time out just because the media and the (what used to be) progressive blogosphere say you should. No, you don't spend twenty years with a guy who teaches separatism (and I'm not going by one speech and one speech only. I visited the web site before it was "cleansed" and suddenly are forgiven for it because it tells me where you are really coming from. No, you don't get to use Donnie McClurkin to gain votes from the anti gay constituency of South Carolina and get a pass no matter how many times you open your freakin mouth and tell me you don't really mean it after all while still letting him on your program. No, your surrogates in the progressive blogosphere and others don't get to accuse the voters of New Hampshire of being racist for you just because you lost that one. In other words you don't use your race to manipulate voters, or in this case have so many others do it for you and plead your ignorant of the whole thing.
That does not even remotely resemble having anything to do with fighting for equality and fighting against racism. The trouble with the so called progressive blogs these days are they put their blinders on months ago and stuck their heads up this guy's back side ignoring every one of his many failings as if they didn't exist. It's the George Bush campaign of 2000 all over again, only the difference is many of you are intent on repeating the same damn thing on the other side of the coin.
Ted Precht @ 97:
Ted preck. Sorry brother you fell for the media gimmick... youtube the preachers sermons's. listen to anything 9 mins and over and you will see he is a decent man and spoke truth and no hate... things like "hate begets hate. violence begets violence" "God damn America, as long as she thinks she is God" "God damn America as long as she kills innocent people"
Sad it is, how the sweet talking devil wins hearts. but the good man who speaks the truth is run out or town. many a good men in the history of the world have been hung from a tree because their words were twisted
" did you say you were the king of the jews?" "did you say you would tear down the temple and rebuild it in three days?"
Obama is no saint. nor is his preacher. but they are good men. and their work proves it....
Much is being made of Obama and I agree with all the compliments. But the democratic other candidate is so low, so owned, such a liar and harridan, that by comparison Obama gleams like a bright light.
Up until the videos of Obama's race baiting "spiritual adviser" became widely known, Obama seemed on the verge of performing the greatest miracle in the history of American politics. The messianic public image of a black man named Hussein was embraced by millions of white voters throughout middle America.
Since the exposure of his close 20 year affiliation with Rev Wright; the black Messiah has been defrocked.
This whole thing with Rev Wright has been no less than a high tech public lynching orchestrated by the right wing smear machine and the predominantly white MSM. It's a political feeding frenzy intended to be provocative and sensationalized. I've yet to see an honest or insightful assessment of the situation. And it's indeed very sad that so many Americans have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Is it truly any wonder that we've ended up with criminals like Bush and Cheney in the WH when the masses are so easy to manipulate?? How many people who think they know it all about Rev Wright have even bothered to watch an entire sermon, let alone born witness to his 20+ year ministry? The fact that this man, who has done much great work in his community, has been tried, judged, and convicted on such scant evidence by people who have no real knowledge of either him, his work, or his church is criminal. Many of the things Rev Wright has said are painful ugly truths that most of us white folks don't like to acknowledge. We're in such deep denial about our behavior towards other countries and within our own society. To simply dismiss the black experience in this country as something that people should just get over shows such an incredible lack of insight, understanding, or sensitivity. And as long as that attitude prevails, I'm not sure there's much hope for real healing.
Obama cannot win a national election. Face it!
you're aiming at the wrong target here. if anything, Matthews is trying to bury the race issue by showing, clearly, that most experts don't think it will be the problem that most insecure white males in the media are saying it will be. if you want to attack people for pushing this "scandal" for all its worth, their names are : Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, Clinton campaign, Anderson Cooper, Tim Russert...Matthews has repeatedly praised Obama's speech.
Spicegal@119....Your defense of the Rev Wright was covered in irony, as you chose the words of Clarence Thomas (trying to defend himself against the charges coming from Anita Hill) when he was before the Senate and before his dumb-ass was put on the Supreme Court. Last year America was trying to get its collective brain around such a different sounding name....and we got there; The people of the United States knew nothing of this young man, except what he showed us and what he said. Not even three years of service in the Senate, gave the people scant material to be judged as impressive accomplishments. NADA So it mattered how Axelrod worked the public relations surronding Obama; And it was working for some people; he spoke well. However by the time Rev Wright came along, America had filled in the blank canvas with our own assumptions. Here, in Oklahoma knowing little of the Obamas, we thought highly of them; but we thought that they were what they looked like. Tall and thin and well dressed; conservative in dress style and other things too, like episcopalians from Chicago. DISILLUSIONMENT is the rub; not the media being unfair or the scary clinton-machine. The Rev Wrights words, shocking manner, and crude + rude services, knocked America on her rearend. That is a bell you and no one else can un-ring. Obama's judgement here is to blame along with Axelrod's........how did they have no clue how this would plaly out? IS ALL THIS FAIR to the Rev Wright? well perhaps not..so what? When the Clintons were being called racist, were you upset? Obama was a stranger who came into millions of American homes on the TV; and Americans gave the young man a chance. Close to half of democrats voting so far in the primaries (along with independents and republicans) gave him their trust; the other half went to Hillary. Now to win this sucker, he has to convince her supporters and many republicans out there to choose him this fall..the deal is not closed. That is why the Rev Wright matters; it is a close hores race. Last tidbit: if the old rules were in place (WINNER take all) like in McCains races......Hillary would already be the democratic nominee.
douglas at 96.. Sir there's no way i'm gonna let you drag me into your stupid hillary vs obama little game. As a proud democrat,I know that any of my candidate will be a better choice than john mccain and I will not have to hold my nose to vote for senator Clinton or senator Obama. It's fine to get caught up into the primaries but there's no way I'm gonna trash a democratic candidate and give ammos to the repugs who will use them against my candidate. Once again to all of you uncivilized hillary or obama supporters,move to the other side please you people have done enough damage with your carl rove tactics. Go away,go vote for mc cain and before you do that remember to turn your democratic voter cards in you.
Ben @123, you startwith hyperbloe; accusing me of what? You say: NO WAY I'M GONNA LET YOU DRAG ME INTO YOUR STUPID HILLARYVS OBAMA LITTLE GAME," First, while it may be true that I am in fact a queer Oklahoman; I can assure you that I never do DRAG! Second, I have not had the pleasure of meeting you, but you do seem to be a disagreeable sort of person; so why in hell would I want to invite you over to play a game (no matter how LITTLE it is). I would not even want to buy you a cocktail, though you seem to need one. GET A GRIP and a sense of humor. This is politics; get a history book on America and read the tradition of politics just in this country; this year's contest is a cake-walk by comparasion. This is the vetting process; it is a very close horse race, Those who follow Obama want Clinton to leave the stage. But Hillary is poised to slam-dunk a win in Pennsylvania; and many of us have just sent her more of our hard earned money. SO QUITTING NOW is not an option. If ya can't stand the heat, git out da kitchen! And leave me alone, I ani't picking on ya. last point: you said "no way i'm gonna trash a democratic candidate and give ammos to the repugs". You do not have give them jack; they already got it. The got shit on him and on her. And nothing you have seen so far is going to compare to what is coming. anit politics grand?
When Obama said his grandmother was like a "typical white person" in her behavior, the behavior he then described was hardly flattering or neutral.
He characterized "typical white person" behavior as having a knee-jerk, negative reaction to someone they don't know to the point of uttering a racial stereotypes.
What exactly was Obama saying is "typically white" about that kind of behavior? Has Obama been convinced that "typical black persons" are more intellectually evolved than than "typical white persons" and don't react that way?
will you vote for Obama if he wins the nomination?
Yes 11
No 1
Liars!
Corporate media is setting the stage for a McCain White House. Simple.
hyperbole ...... sorry, I reverse typed the o and the l ...in the #124, my epistle to Ben.
The Whole Fact that race is an issue is quite depressing. Race has no bearing on how the country will be run. As long as McCain is not elected I will be happy. We need to send that war mongering geezer to the retirement home.
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