Reid to the Rescue? Harry says "things are being done" to resolve primary before Denver
By SilentPatriot Monday Mar 24, 2008 9:15pm
Question: Do you still think the Democratic race can be resolved before the convention?
Reid: Easy.
Q: How is that?
Reid: It will be done.
Q: It just will?
Reid: Yep.
Q: Magically?
Reid: No, it will be done. I had a conversation with Governor Dean (DNC Chairman Howard Dean) today. Things are being done.
Regardless of who you support, this is a promising development. The longer we allow John McCain to run unopposed -- while at the same time bashing each other over the head with petty insults and attacks -- the worse our chances are in the fall. I sincerely hope the Democratic leadership realizes this.
Make it happen, Harry.
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Some good news. Thank you.
"Magically". Snort.
I believe this should happen.
Not for HRC or against Obama.
Just for the people in those 2 states.
But I have to say....
They don't call it Floriduh for nuthin.
OK, Harry, if there really is some magical thing you can do, why not do it now? Why wait around while more damage is being done to the party?
(Cough, cough) Lotta smoke in here fellas, haha... hand me one of those Cubans...
Well, maybe Harry will be able to get us out of this war.
Reed's statements today remind me of Nixon's secret plan to end the war in Vietnam. So far this man has been totally ineffective as a leader. I'll wait and see.
As much damage as she has done today, alone, do you think you could end her game TOMORROW? I am very tired of this. I am thinking of starting an organization labeled Southern Whites against hateful New York Racism.
Harry Reid will wave his magic wand, and poof...
Honestly, does anyone buy anything "Give em Head Harry" says, anymore? Seriously?
"Promising development"? How's that? Why not just announce that you are having the inner-chamber decide what will happen next and say "F-k you very much for playing you meaningless voters, now beat it! " and just be done with it.
Oh, my bad. He just did.
Carry on.
sounds great, i'll take a flying pig . . .
If Harry Reid had the power to magically accomplish political feats we would already have retroactive immunity for telecoms. For better or worse, this guy doesn't have a clue.
Why has C&L not posted the clip of Hillary jumping into the reverend Wright fracas?
At last Harry is going to do something. I'm not holding my breath.
The super rich—or the ruling clique—constitutes no more than 0.1 percent of the US population. Yet they control the mainstream media, every branch government, the electoral process and the country’s major financial institutions.
Right Harry?
RMac @ 10:
Well this is the reality. Hillary needed a miracle in order to convince the superdelegates to vote for her. She wasn't going to win it any other way at this point. But with all of this stuff concerning her credibility and tactics blowing up in her face, even that looks more and more like a pipedream everyday. Meanwhile, the Democratic party is tearing itself apart. Enough is enough! It's about time someone put their foot down so that we can begin to focus on November.
At last, Harry is going to do something.
You know who HRC talked to when she took her comments on Wright to the press? One owned by Richard Mellon Scaife. Same guy that tried to destroy her husband's presidency. How sick is that?
Harry Reid? Growing a spine? I'll believe it when I see it.
I actually believe she wants to knee cap Obama so bad that McCain will win the general in order to set herself up for 2012.
This picture looks like the Bush halo.
nsr @ 15:
Yeah, that's pretty freaking bad when you think about it. You know, this might be a stretch, but as I have been really getting to know her lately through her campaign, I am convinced that she is capable of pulling a Lieberman on us one day. She seems a bit out of control.
God, it's like he's beyond the halo and the Sun God.
Yikes.
nsr @ 15:
The Scaife's not only tried to destroy her husband's presidency, but basically accused her of the murder of Vince Foster. The fact that she would even sit down with such media scum reveals desparation and a lack of values.
Don @ 17:
I'm starting to think it's worse than that. The DLC seems to be in the business of throwing elections.
pray
Gore to the "rescue"
Perhaps Reid is going to call in some of his "friends" from Vegas, to give an offer to Obama that he can't refuse.
Or failing that he'll just beg: "Please, Obama, the big money folk just don't want you, because they want McCai...um, Hillary...to win. So please pretty please leave"
Are there any Clinton supporters here that think this is not hurting the party?
As for the people saying Hillary wants McCain to win, so she can set herself up for 2012, I think that is the only explanation that makes sense.
arrow @ 20:
Funny you say that. I had a nightmare last night that Clinton-Lieberman joined forces and ran as a third-party in the general.
Harry Reid doesn't know whether to shit or wind the clock.
Ignore him.
Taz @ 21:
This so-called halo shot is not uncommon. A lot of them get photographed like that.
And its not accidental.
i thought he looked drunk
They realize that things must be done, and they realize too much time as already passed. President Obama, here we come. I bet it will be all finished before the Pennsylvania primary.
Harry and Nancy, please excuse yourselves. Neither of you inspire confidence.
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Whenever Harry Reed reassures me of anything
I always breath a sigh of relief...
then I get fucked in the ass.
Harry Reed: Turning Democrats into Independents since 2005.
Pray for the common man to get the cajones to march on Washington and not only save these freaks from themselves but most importantly move on to save all of us.
There is nothing about what has been happening for years that is for the good of the common man.
AMERICANS: How much is it going to take before we stand up for the common good, for our forefathers?
For humanity. Is corporate rule ok? It's a world plague.
RickinSF @ 30:
yes, ignore the majority leader of the Senate, because you, internet-blog-poster, can predict the future.
Its Harry Potter magic.
Don @ 17:
I think it is blatantly clear this is what is going on. It seems that she is posturing herself to #1 damage Obama to hurt his chances of getting elected and #2 looking for an offer from the Dems to improver her position in the Senate (Majority Leader). This would pave the way for her to run again in 2012.
I think the only solution is for prominent Democrats to start coming out and supporting their candidate. I don't care if it is Obama or Clinton, it is just clear that this needs to happen ASAP. Richardson saw this, others should as well.
John McCain's enlarged prostate @ 35:
Welcome, closeted Republican. (the codeword for 'independent' since 1991.)
Harry Reid ! Now there's a guy you can trust to make things happen !
Correction: I can't even believe I said "for our forefathers."
At this point, I think enough of us have a clue to figure it out.
My serious apologies.
ohmy @ 37:
Majority leader of the Senate? The only leader of the Senate I know is McConnell. He let's Harry bark once in a while, but Harry stays on the leash.
I'm going to reply to one of those DNC emails in my inbox requesting donations and tell them not one more penny until I see some leadership on this primary race.
Yeah, when HARRY REID says things are being done, by golly, THINGS ARE BEING DONE!
Take that to the bank!
Yup, Hildo shows her true Republican colours as this campaign plods on.
nsr @ 23:
nsr @ 23:
I think you're right - (Not too sure about the site that this comes from...use of "Democrat" instead of "Democratic" has me wondering, but still...):
http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/
"...The New Democrat Movement is sometimes referred to as the Dixiecrat movement due to the DLC's origination in the southern states, their desire to get rid of affirmative action, and their membership's overwhelming whiteness...."
"...DLC operatives actively worked to sabotage Howard Dean's candidacy for the US Presidency in 2004, claiming that the "far-left" Democrat was wrong to attack George W. Bush's tax cuts and national security policies...."
http://www.dlc.org/
It looks like the DLC is to DNC what neocons are to GOP.
Harry Reid favors Obama, big-time. Howard Dean favors Obama, or at least is very disinclined towards Hillary Clinton. DLC vs. DNC and all that jazz.
Can you say game-set-match? Yeah, I thought you could.
Thank you. About time someone started getting some sense here. the nit picking attacks against both candidates by the blogs is just feeding the republican attack dogs red meat. If you have never misspoke or been affiliated with someone who held ideas and made statements you did not always agree with, then cast the first stone. Otherwise, point out the crap McCain is doing and leave the dems alone to fight it out. they are both good and much better than McCain.
This is the same Harry Reid that crowned Joe Lieberman, remember? We ought to all get on our knees and be thankful it's Howard Dean running the DNC, and not Terry McAuliffe!
MAKE IT HAPPEN HOWARD!
EliteLemming @ 5:
Look this way to read the code... We are clearly still in Bigwig, smoke-filled backroom politics, which means... an established, white, brand gets the nom.
NishNish @ 39:
This really is the solution, I agree.....
Make a pick, Clinton or Obama....
go ahead al, go ahead edwards, dean, all the bigwigs.....
but to sit on the sidelines now, considering the math, is just cowardly head-in-the-sand baloney.
Clinton keeps getting more and more slimy, more and more dirtbag.......it really is pointless just to let her throw shit at obama in the hopes that he might start smelling funny to people...
we'll see if ol' telecom immunity harry is really up to something or if he'll pull some DLC shit out of his mouth when you think he's finally dropped a nad or two.
My bet is Reid offers Hillary his Senate majority position if she suspends her campaign -> but leaves the door open for her to get back in if Obama implodes (or succumbs to swift-boating).
Majorty Leader
"I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's one of the most disciplined people I know. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence, and she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children." -- Barack Obama
Compare a statement like that with the bile that's emanating from Hillary's campaign. I suspect Harry Reed and the party elite are making such a comparison right now.
EliteLemming @ 51:
if by that you mean to say obama is an established white brand, then you are off the deep end....
Or Majority Leader... something like that!
ohio progressive (typical white person) @ 57:
No, no of course not, but I am worried that the leadership will do something very, very foolish...
Straight Shooter @ 48:
When Harry says he supports something, look for him doing the opposite behind closed doors.
if anybody would give me longshot odds (not too crazy), i'll put some money on clinton breaking away from the party and going independent a la lieberman.....
with this wright attack today, she crossed another line....i don't think you do that unless your hells bells in it to win, delegates or no delegates, party or no party...
everybody says we need a third party anyways....
maybe she'll get nader to run with her as a veep
ezpz @ 47:
that sums it up nicely! carville immediately attacked richardson after the Obama endorsement. and bhilliamary CLIEberman are threatening to endorse a repug if they don't get the nod.
ohio progressive (typical white person) @ 61:
Something along the line of the "America for Hillary" party? I am really trying to laugh at this, but for some reason I can't.
I don't see Howard Dean in a smoke-filled room situation...
I do see him in a private "sidahelldown Hillary" smackdown session, which would be apt...
HaHa @ 64:
LOL
Their plan is to let the people vote and let their votes count.
Clinton wins.
Nuh-uh. Nope. No; keep this corporate shill, snake in sheep's clothing, dinopussy well away from my(our) elections. I guarantee he 'politely insists' that Obama puts Clinton on the ticket. Then what? Billarysaurus Rex is 'next in line'? Sounds like the military/pharmaceutical/insurance-industrial complex plan C: Hillary-VP.
...Breakin' 3?
yeah as long as she wins every remaining state by 70% then she wins. Good luck.
getalife @ 67:
oh, so you have pictures of obama naked down to his black socks (a la spitzer) working on some legislation with a pretty young lobbyist (a la mccain), who also happens to be naked in the photo?
or are you just closing your eyes and pretending you can't see the vote and delegate counts as they've been presented in the papers...and therefore, none of it is real.....
and duck..duck, i think i hear bullets whizzing past....
sniper, take cover!!!
It's a classic Clinton strategy -- destroy everything in your path to reach the goal, and only then worry about picking up the pieces later. This strategy of theirs caused us to lose Democratic majorities in the Congress during Bill Clinton's years in the White House. This same strategy may now may cost us the White House in 2008. Unforgiveable!
BaScOmBe whose saying "NO REPUGS" @ 62:
that sums it up nicely! carville immediately attacked richardson after the Obama endorsement. and bhilliamary CLIEberman are threatening to endorse a repug if they don't get the nod.
It's getting to where I can spot them on sight, and just like the neocons, I have an instant dislike for them. I USED to like Bill Clinton, but not no mo.
Many that I used to like and defend, I suddenly see with new eyes - Carville, Lanny Davis, Joe Wilson, (yes THAT Joe Wilson - he did a couple of hit jobs on Obama at Huffpo that were intellectually dishonest and downright nasty!), Terry McCauliff. ALL the Hillary apologists on tv remind me exactly of the rovian neocons. Feh!
ohio progressive (typical white person) @ 57:
he is not so far off the reservation on this. Obama's advisers in the background all come from uber elite think-tanks and other groups.
Obama's Elitist connections so far:
Zbigniew Brzezinski, Trilateralist, Rockefeller stooge, friend of Pol Pot, who masterminded the creation of Al Qaida's direct predecessor, and was instrumental in the Iraq-Iran war, and Afghan-Soviet war. Writes books salivating for the New World Order to come into fruition.
Zbig wrote some real gems, such as:
Brzezinski states that the Establishment’s plans for America’s future are “directly linked to the impact of technology” and “involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled and directed society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite … unrestrained by the restraints of traditional … values. This elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public and keeping society under close surveillance and control.” Sort of like like what we have now.
In the January, 1968, edition of Encounter, Brzezinski elaborated on the prison camp he envisions for the U.S. It will be “possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date, complete files, containing even the most personal information about the health or personal behavior of the citizen in addition to more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by THE authority.”
Austan Goolsbie, Yale and Skull and Bones Alum, (along with Bush family, Kerry, and a whole laundry list of treasonous and murdering motherfuckers.) What secrets did he spill when he was jerking off in a casket with his Skull brothers in a sick trauma based initiation?
Michelle Obama, member of the Chicago Branch of the CFR, the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. Each branch technically independent...
Joseph Nye, a Trilateral and Bilderberger treasonous fuck.
Anthony Lake, Clinton National Security Advisor, nominee for CIA Director, CFR member
Sarah Sewell, CFR Member
Ivo Daalder, CFR Member, Brookings Institution
Samantha Power (resigned) Argues for armed intervention in humanitarian crises. Receives funding and awards from the CFR.
citation: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=508336
Her stay in Washington will be funded by the Council on Foreign Relations, a nonprofit group that publishes the influential journal Foreign Affairs. Power won an international affairs fellowship from the Council in 2000, when she was the executive director of the Carr Center, although she delayed taking advantage of the opportunity until this year.Elise Carlson Lewis, a vice president at the Council, said that the international affairs fellowships, which pay fellows to pursue public policy-related interests, are, for recipients, typically “the jumping-off point...to go into higher levels of government.” Past fellows have included Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, who made the switch from academia to government after she received a Council fellowship in 1986."
Jay Rockefeller, Bush's pointman and coverup artist on FISA usurpation and corporate protection for the telecoms. So they can spy on you for just about anything.
and several other CFR-Trilateralist-Skull-n-Bones elitist scumbags parading around as alternatives in this mockery of an election in a mockery of a Republic.
Air Force General McPeak, HW Bush appointee, 2000 Bush campaign connected, master-mind of "bomb-now, die later" campaign in Iraq war 1, gives General LeMay a run for Humanitarian of Year for air campaigns, had a hand in Indonesia's bombing in East Timor... all around good guy, if you are a war-criminal and sick murdering bastard...estimated to have sortied 150,000 missions in Gulf War (you do the math on the dead, how about a minimum of 1 dead per sortie and go from there...)
and now CFR member Richardson adds to the mix...
yeah, Change is a coming, change is a coming.
you do know that Dick Cheney used to be Director of the Council on Foreign Relations, don't you...
watch him describe how we kept it a closely guarded secret:
list to be continued...
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are not to be believe about anything.
Btw; we're still in Iraq.
As for Harry Reid and 'thy will be done, I won't hold my breath.
I just hope Carville's attempt to intimidate the supers with his Judas and 'cattle branding' remarks will be the kick in the butt that the party elders need to stop this.
Again, I won't hold my breath.
arrow @ 14:
Will you supporters of Senator Obama stop lying in regards to the Super Delegates? You guys keep repeating this crap (much as the Bush administration likes to repeat their crap) in the hopes that everyone will believe that Senator Obama does not need the Super Delegates as well.
The TRUTH (which I know supporters of Senator Obama have a hard time dealing with) is that even Senator Obama needs the Super Delegates to win the Democratic nomination. The ONLY way for Senator Obama not to need the delegates is IF Senator Clinton were to drop out and throw her delegates to Senator Obama, which I don't see happening.
So again, you supporters of Senator Obama, quit the freaking LYING!
truth b told @72
all of the ZB stuff is out of context....those three statements are all perfectly true....you imply they are part of ZB's wet dream fantasy about some totalitarian conspiracy.......there is nothing wrong with those 3 statements, out of context as they are....they don't belie some malicious conspiracy...your mind is running
obama voted against fisa, and is leading the way to shut down immunity...
do you think the government was behind 911? or 19 SOB's got really lucky...
killthepoor @ 33:
Its funny how supporters of Senator Obama scream and cry that Senator Clinton is trying to "steal" the nomination and then we get idiotic comments like this. You guys are scared of a brokered convention because the delegates will come to the senses on the second ballot and go for Senator Clinton.
How many of you want to wager that this just gives the Clintonistas the impetus to drum up a fictitious 'conspiracy' metanarrative through which to perpetuate her 'Independent' run in the general this year?
"Oh, all those high-ranking DLC leadership folks we created? Those Judases turned on us!"
Yeah, I've no doubt of it. Here's one for the stab-in-the-back legend. Seig Hillary!
Truth b, I was having a decient time with my illusions... Damn man...
Phoenix Justice @ 77:
Right. Because a Rutherford B. Hillarhayes administration is certainly what their constituency wa-- oh, wait, it isn't.
Phoenix Justice @ 77:
the only problem we have with a brokered convention is all the shit-flinging clinton will do between now and the convention.
if she could put a lid on it, stop blowing kisses up mccain's diapers, stop telling lies (whether it be about sniper fire or obama), then nobody would care.....
just keep her trap shut until then, and let em hack it out on the floor.....perfect...
but you know she can't help herself.....
SNIPER.>.....TAKE COVER!!!!
ohio progressive (typical white person) @ 76:
I don't believe anything the government claims.
No way 19 guys who couldn't fly Cessna's and a guy in cave 6000 miles away pulled off the NORAD stand-down.
Phonics Justice, if your a member, leave those of us who want us some black president alone...
Will the fact that Harry Reid's son is part of the Clinton campaign be of any influence on this decision? I had a very bad feeling about this when I heard on Countdown tonight.
ezpz @ 71:
It's getting to where I can spot them on sight, and just like the neocons, I have an instant dislike for them. I USED to like Bill Clinton, but not no mo.
Many that I used to like and defend, I suddenly see with new eyes - Carville, Lanny Davis, Joe Wilson, (yes THAT Joe Wilson - he did a couple of hit jobs on Obama at Huffpo that were intellectually dishonest and downright nasty!), Terry McCauliff. ALL the Hillary apologists on tv remind me exactly of the rovian neocons. Feh!
Exactly, THAT joe wilson. who really ain't qualified to do anything but whine. Why isn't he out decrying the war he allegedly tried to prevent, if he cares about anything at all. Why doesn't he support Obama, who had the war pegged right from the start.
I was neutral on the CLIEbermans until SC. Then they revived the noxin southern strategy. case closed.
ohio progressive (typical white person) @ 81:
What lies has Senator Clinton told in regards to Senator Obama? See, this is the type of crap you guys like to fling around and then state that your candidate's crap don't stink. It is highly hypocritical.
Truth B Told @ 82:
straw man
Put NORAD back up for the day-...wouldn't have changed the first plane, that's for sure....likely wouldn't have changed the second (bush was pissing his pants in the classroom)....
NORAD wasn't the catastrophic failure without which there is no 911.....icompetence on the part of bush and rice
Phoenix Justice @ 75:
what lying?
Things are being done.
Ya mean they're finally going to force Hillary to quit her bid for the White House?? Seriously, her campaign gets more and more pathetic with each passing day.
I'm a strong Obama supporter, but the idea that the Clintons would destroy their entire position as leaders in the democratic party by running as an independent seems crazy to me.
If she loses the nomination and makes nice with Obama in the next few months her and Bill are still seen as sage's in the democratic party. Hillary will go on to replace Harry Reid probably, and Bill will still hold sway with most big shots in the democratic party. Everyone will forget that they stayed in the race too long if Obama wins the presidency and they will probably play a major role in shaping policy in an Obama White House.
If she were to run as an independent, she would for sure have no chance at winning, she would split the democratic party, and be responsible for continuing the Iraq war by helping John McCain get elected. They would be looked at as petty, and everyone would forget all the good things the Clinton admin. did for the country. They would have no sway in government, Hillary would lose re election in the senate, and they would be looked at like pi rahs in the political world like Nixon was after he left office.
And I don't buy the idea that Clinton would team up with McCain, somehow I don't see the right wing nut jobs making nice with the Clintons at any time.
Finks @ 90:
To qoute Bill, "we must win."
i think that reid, dean, and pelosi are going to gang up on hillary, tell her the jig is up, suck it up or there's a gore in your future.
This sounds a little ominous to me.
fuck you harry reid.
but please, by all means, get this damn thing handled ASAP if you have ANY plans of doing so.
Truth B Told @ 72:
could you condense that shit. I was considering your points and then they started to look very familiar. you posted that same shit the other night.
me thinks thou dost protest too much!
ohio progressive (typical white person) @ 87:
The Bush gang is anything but incompetent.
Come on. Get real and look at the truth.
What Bush and the very competent Neocons have accomplished...
Iraq War 2 (and probably Gulf War 1)
Afghanistan war - and pipeline contracts
The deaths of almost 1 million Iraqis and displacement of refugees
Taken Iraqi oil off the market
Kept Iraq from opening non-US dollar bourse
Stacked the Supreme Court with Neocons with a cake-walk confirmation
Escaping justice for numerous domestic and International War crimes
Escaping impeachment with collusion of key Democrats (fellow CFR members)
Enriched war machine & Military Industrial Complex
Installed 2 Attorney Generals who would block investigations and supeaonas and ignore whistle-blowers
Gutted Habeas Corpus
Rationalized torture
Conveniently misplaced trillions (Sept 10th, 2001) and later billions of dollars
Reestablished record breaking opium production in Afghanistan
Implemented extraordinary rendition and secret torture camps
Manipulated - Stole 2000 and 2004 elections
Used hoaxed Niger Yellow-cake "evidence" with no political repercussions.
Lied about Iraqi WMD's
Lied about Jessica Lynch-Pat Tillman
Working on reigniting Russian-American Cold War (Russian bomber flights, etc)
Gutted independent officer corps
Christianization of the military
Massive expenditures for Chem-Bio, Space Weapons, Internet cybercorps
Intimidation (or willful cooperation) of Media & Business
Permanent military bases in Iraq
Passed Patriot Act after convenient Anthrax and Manchurian-style Sniper attacks
Passed Military Commissions Act
Massive debt to break government (and public)
Electronic surveillance and massive databases
Illegal warrantless wiretaps
First-rate mercenary force enriched and empowered
Broke Posse Comitatus precedent with Blackwater and US military domestic deployment
Blinding of America to Iranian nuclear program
Decimated New Orleans post-Katrina (dry-run for martial law)
Coopted Justice Department
Turned over key regulatory agencies to the foxes of industry (ex. Mining, Forestry)
Freed Scooter Libby with no political cost
Bankruptcy "reform"
No Child Left Behind and other Orwellian named govt initiatives
Garnered cooperation of fellow CFR and Trilateral Democrats to enable agenda
Unending blank checks from Congress
Convenient benefiting from a "New Pearl Harbor"
Pulled a sham Investigation on 9-11 over on the public for a paltry $15 million
But the piece de resistance - Conning the American public that they are incompetent.
And you honestly believe that sacrificing 3000 civilians on 9/11 and an ongoing body count currently at 3900+ troops to achieve their goals is beyond them both ethically and logistically? Wake up.
What more do you want to qualify them as a success? Most people think they are incompetent because they are operating according to a different game-plan, or paradigm, than the normal person. Normal people wouldn't operate at this level of corruption and genuine evil. These people are expert Machiavellian psychopaths (with a strong dose of Straussian Noble Lie telling) and to attempt to associate normal behaviors to them is an exercise in futility. You absolutely CANNOT continue to believe that the administration is incompetent - they are completely competent and shocking us into accepting a fascist version of America (just like Prescott Bush and his cohorts in the financial elite and industrialists tried in the 1930s)
Machiavelli - who greatly influenced Strauss - laid out how the elites would/coopt any form of government they wanted:
Machiavelli. Discourses on Livy
Democrats and Republicans - NEITHER are your friends.
so many thoughts... where to begin...
i do not have a good feeling in my gut... so many times, it's been the opposite of what we were told, of what SHOULD be the logical conclusion...
about the 3rd party idea - wouldn't put it past her...
and wouldn't that be a kicker for all those 3rd party advocates out there...
they'd get hillary...
i'm surprised at how disappointed i am at her behavior these past weeks...
the whole dishonest, perverted process has been a real bummer...
between the limpballs factor and the rovian tactics, it's just been sickening...
way beyond "the process"...
i'm sorry... i'd better quit... just bumming myself out more...
hell, i'll be relieved just to HAVE an election... i guess...
It's wrong for Hillary to use these ugly tactics and not offer a hat tip to Karl Rove. The only change she offers is to pull the Democratic party to the right, or do her damndest to tear it apart. I've lost any respect I might have had for her. I hope she loses her seat in NY for all the crap she's pulled.
BaScOmBe whose saying "NO REPUGS" @ 85:
Yup, SC was the beginning (maybe the middle) of the end of my love affair with Bubba.
He/they really insult the intelligence of the populous if they think we don't see their tactics and code words, not the least of which is "electable". Nod/wink.
BaScOmBe whose saying "NO REPUGS" @ 95:
No, I added to it.
Many others didn't see it, so I reposted it. And the arguments are still valid. The so-called savior is but another shill for the ruling .01% that dominate nearly everything in this country and world.
Phoenix Justice @ 86:
plagiarism, big fat lie (it was effectively a speechwriter, and she doesn't credit hers, bush doesn't credit his, and obama doesn't credit his)
nafta, canada story, big fat lie (they kept pushing it even after the canadian government said it was bogus, and that both campaigns had contacted the govmnt)
obama's health care plan will not insure poor families (i got the fliers in Ohio)....intentionally mischaracterizing Obama's health plan
Obama is lying when he says he'll get out of Iraq now (and then a statement by Powers)....that was a dishonest juxtaposition, leading to a dishonest conclusion....a dishonest ad
Obama tells the international press one thing, while he tells the american people another......big fat lie
I never said Obama's crap doesn't stink...i'm sure it's awful.....
forget about me and my cronies...this is about the two candidates and what they are doing....don't confuse us yaptrappers with the candidates....
but i haven't heard obama make stuff up about the clintons, a la the plagiarism charge...
EliteLemming at 91
But how can they win as independents? They wouldn't get any Obama supporters to vote for her, and a lot of Hillary supporters would not want to vote for her and split the party. So at the most she would get less then half of Democratic voters to vote for her. That would not be enough to beat McCain or Obama.
Her campaign makes some mistakes, but they are not that dumb. And I'm sure she would lose a lot of staffers too doing that. I'm not sure there isn't some rules against her using the money she raised as a D to run as an I.
truth b told @96
you need to do a little studying up on ocam's razor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
RueMorgue @ 78:
wait! didn't Shillary CLIEbermanton just speak to a scaife newsrag? talk about your vast conspiracies! It seems that slick willy with the booshes and Shillary with the scaifes were all on the same team all along.
ecotopian @ 84:
Oh no! I must have missed it. I didn't have a good feeling about it before. Now, I really don't expect any kind of intervention to save the party, the electorate, the country.
I've lost ALL respect for the Clinton gang with each day that I see the low Rovian tactics they stoop to, but I lose more respect for those who sit by silently and do nothing.
(I must assume they do nothing, since it continues and gets worse with each day.)
Will any Clinton supporters please answer a simple question? Do you think her comments on reverend Wright hurt the party?
Truth B Told @ 100:
you do make a thoroughly detailed and highly persuasive case. I actually do admire your researched opinion.
So let me ask you. Connect LIEberman to both candidates for me. Obama has Two LIEbermam-provided advisors, but there is more. I haven't been able to locate names, dates or other events than the Conn. election and the sabotaging of Lamont.
Also, why didn't Obama just wait his turn.
ohio progressive (typical white person) @ 103:
Occam's Razor is only a guide. Its not a law, and its not absolute.
You assign "angelism" to the US when its not warranted.
All of this hand wringing over the Dems destroying themselves is overblown. I'm quite happy to see Obama getting vetted now, because he ain't seen nothin yet compared to whats coming from the Repugs. I've wavered between Clinton and Obama; I think they're both great candidates. But I'm now convinced Obama will handle the Repug crap. However, I'm also not so sure I can handle any more Clinton bashing on this site and others. I'd love to see those of you delerious with Obama fever take a deep breath. Hillary is NOT going to run as a 3rd party candidate!
Finks @ 102:
the point is to hand the election to the repugs a la Kerry and Gore through self-sabotage.
Vetting? "He's not a Muslim as far as I know" Do you call that vetting?
BaScOmBe whose saying "NO REPUGS" @ 107:
Thank you for the comment, I appreciate it.
I think a lot of it has to do with keeping up appearances. Like the Machiavelli quote I provided. Keep the illusion of democracy - or in this case - a Republic, by providing an entertaining and enthralling contest, but in all actuality, the contest is already decided by the elites who put forward the slate of candidates from which the unwashed masses give their approval. The media also participates because much of their ownership and editorial control is also shaped by these elite interests. Plus the annual campaign cash outlays help grease the skids.
But like anyone in the political class, the Candidates have egos and they want to fill that figurehead position and have all the trappings of power and prestige. But they are just sock-puppets.
ezpz @ 47:
The DLC is definitely the center for the neoliberals - looking at the roster of the DLC, I notice two names that AREN'T on it - Bill Richardson and Barack Obama.
this idiot is going to rub his magic piggy bank and it will tell him who will be the candidate!
Fuck the will of the American people...the piggy bank is never wrong!
GoodGod @ 109:
reflecting on and responding to what bilhiliamary CLIEberman have been doing is not bashing. If I talked about her cankles, that would be bashing. But I'm not talking about her cankles, I'm talking about her and her husband employing the noxinian southern strategy.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_thread/thread/b87c340...
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 114:
...especially when it speaks with the voice of the corporate sponsors.
It boggles my mind that anyone in the Democratic Party would condone the cancellation of the next ten primary elections before any of the votes are even cast. Why bother scheduling them for an election in the first place if you're going to stop the process of picking a candidate when less than ALL of the votes have been counted? Shame on you, every one of you, who support the idea of aborting the election process.
It's like determining the winner of the Indy 500 when only 400 miles have been completed. Or determining the Kentucky Derby winner before the horses round the last turn. Or declaring "Mission Accomplished" when another 3,500 soldiers haven yet to be killed in combat (so far). You're no better than the thugs you are trying to replace.
ezpz @ 105:
Hillary Supporters: Why Are You Letting Her Do This?
good question...
I normally wouldn't believe the "third-party" option myself except for the fact that she seems to have adopted a win-at-all-costs strategy. To quote #91 who quotes Bill: “We must win.” Time will tell on that one. I personally believe they're already printing "Hillary 2012" t-shirts.
The first signs of lunacy appeared after the planned coronation on Super Tuesday did not occur. So it became "it's the delegates that matter." After a few more primaries, it was the number and size of states that mattered. Then it became the popular vote that mattered most. But wait. Now it's the states won with the most electoral votes that might even matter more than all of others. What's next? States with the most vowels in their names? States with the taller people? Maybe states with most left-handed red heads?
It's actually getting to the point where what comes from the Clinton campaign lately is actually funny. Pathetic, but still funny. I give them credit for that.
"I sincerely hope the Democratic leadership realizes this." They won't. They won't allow themselves to realize it. Consequently, they will loose the presidency. Don't believe me? Watch.
Truth B Told @ 112:
I could extrapolate what you wrote from your earlier comments, but I'm asking something a bit more specific, i.e., the clinton/LIEberman connection. is it AIPAC and the DLC? or something else?
I think this is about the power structure. Obama wasn't supposed to run. It's a niche where the election is open, and his message is not in the established playbook.
There is a lot of pent up anger in the people. That is proving to be a powerful force.
Obama is playing largely fair ball, is not really owned, and wants solid change. This differentiates him from both Clinton and McCain, both of whom are corporate and old-school. Truth is, with them we get corporate right and corporate left. So, some slack on social issues, but no real chance to upset the existing power structures and dollar flows.
IMHO, this is part of what Clinton is saying when she endorsed McCain. It's code for, "we are with you, Obama just isn't."
She's hammering on Obama because his win is not all about her ambition. It's about longer term power relationships. If McCain wins, she keeps her established power channels and runs in 4 years. If she wins, she gets to leverage those right now.
If Obama wins, those power relationships are gonna change and that diminishes her longer term power --likely for good.
Even if she ends up unelectable in 4 years, McCain will not have changed things significantly enough to really matter.
In a way, this is a new-school net roots / people empowerment battle with the old-school incumbents, many of whom have served for a significant amount of time.
Anyone @ 118:
So you don't have a problem with changing the rules in the middle of game, moving the goal post further and further with each loss, determining if a state is significant or not based on results after the fact, going for delegates pledged to someone else, etc etc?
This is NOT the Kentucky Derby, much as the media loves to make it into a horse race, which it clearly would NOT be if Obama was where Hilary is.
Finks @ 102:
I'm not making any real argument against you, but they seem very much caught up in their own head game and pursuit of victory. It's kinda scary.
BaScOmBe whose saying "NO REPUGS" @ 122:
there are a lot of interchangeable parts in this. AIPAC is obviously a player, they fund both sides too. I think that money comes from up higher, and groups like AIPAC are just funnels. I envision it something like a Cointelpro operation for the political parties. The DLC is just a funding mechanism for corporate interests - and those in the DLC are probably closed vetted for loyalty.
To be honest, I haven't delved as deep in this area of it than I would like, myself focusing on other areas such as false flags, intelligence agency malfeasance, gov't ops and so on. I am sure the area you are asking about could be investigated and charted out for connections between all sorts of players, but it isn't my specialty.
My, that sounds... vague...
Anyone @ 118:
Hillary has maybe a 5% chance of winning. For this slim chance, she is willing to tear down the probable Dem candidate.
If she had a 30% chance, I would agree she should stay in. As it is, she is just helping McCain go after Obama. McCain gets attacks against Obama for free.
Doug Dingus @ 123:
***BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP***
WRONG. Supreme Court.
g'nite all...
It is already decided. Obama is the nomination. Clintons can go out with dignity or as they are doing right now lose any credibility.
katy @ 119:
Somehow, even if her supporters, her staff, the party elders ALL advised her to drop out, not only wouldn't she listen, but she'd probably have a few words for them. Both Richardson and Louis shared how intense (unpleasant) their conversations were when they informed her they would support Obama.
katy @ 129:
THIS is perhaps the most important reason why we must have a Dem president this time around.
Not unlike Bush, her ego won't let her pull-out.
Same temperament.
Rico @ 22:
AMEN!!
Phoenix Justice @ 77:
If picking Clinton is coming to their senses, then they don't have any. This polarizing woman is toxic to everyone, except the most clueless of Clinton sycophants in the democratic party.
Otay @ 28:
This would've made sense if she would've dropped out with grace after Ohio and Texas. Now I think there is a STRONG block of Democrats who hate her as much as the Republican Party does that will never vote for her under any circumstances at any point.
I'd rather see John Edwards again, Al Gore always, and maybe even Wesley Clark if he has his political footing now.
Doug Dingus @ 123:
I completely agree with you. I mean I know Hillary's supporters are mad right now, but Barack's campaign has not made ONE personal attack that anyone would classify as "kneecapping". He was dragged into this dirty campaign by Hillary, not the other way around. So for any Hillary supporter to have a personal issue with him is absurd at best. The same can't be same for Barack's supporters who are either too Black, too smart, too small, or too un-Democratic (caucus goers). Not to mention the number of times she has implied that we are delusional to support him. And her and Bill endorsing McCain on multiple occasions won't fly with too many liberals either.
This woman has run a scorched earth campaign, and too bad the only thing she had burned down at the end of the day is any chance of her winning the White House. Let this be a lesson to the next person who wants to run in the Democratic Primary using the Republican playbook.
Finks @ 90:
Is that idea any crazier than anything else she has done up to this point?
Reid's plan? Obama and Clinton are out. The nominee: Al Gore!
#136 Mr.Anderson....About Wesley Clark....You do KNOW that he has been campaigning for Hillary and present at a fair number of her events and speechs ?
( actually I have not "seen" him since Ohio.....)
I could never Vote for her- and most of my neighbors say the same thing- she is acting like a Repug at this point...using the ROVE playbook....I have promised myself I would NEVER Vote for a Liar ( we have had 8 years of lying and LOOK what it got us...Bush lied about his "Military Experience".....and that led only to Bigger Lies that hurt more people.....)
stonicus @ 139:
loud obnoxious sigh
loud obnoxious sigh
The super delegates have been all rounded up and asked who they support. Obviously the majority would support Obama for two reasons. He is the most popular candidate and it would take the pressure off of the Democratic Party. I would love to see an Obama/Clinton ticket. It would devastate McCain's chances. I personally think the GOP will be sucking the bottom of the sewer for decades in all 3 branches. (May even be nudged out by the New Libertarian Party) Just think, the Religious Right would have no more power in our secular government and the Battle of Armageddon would be put on hold indefinitely. Amen?
yeah...Reid has done such a good job sticking up for the Troops...and getting them home...real backbone ( said with great sarcasm...)
#142 JR....
I don't think in a milion years Hill ( or Bill ) would in a Million Years ever agree to VEEP slot.....that is beneath her, she acts that she is "entitled " to MUCH more...
ayup, Reid has been right almost as often as McConundrum.
I do trust Dean and I wish he would show some REAL leadership on this Mess....it needs to be managed by someone other than the Clintons...that is for sure...
Oprah Winfrey should invite both Hillary and Obama on the same show, and let them talk "nice" about each other, to make a big statement against McCain NOW.
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