McCain's Iraq victory speech interrupted by reports of violence in Iraq
By SilentPatriot Tuesday Mar 25, 2008 3:50pm
While giving one of his standard "we're winning in Iraq...I don't care what you say" speeches today, Senator McCain was interrupted by MSNBC with some breaking news of violence from that country. Turns out Muqtada al-Sadr, whose cease-fire agreement was a major component to the declining violence, has decided he doesn't want to play nice anymore, with forces loyal to him clashing with Iraqi forces in Southern Iraq, leading to at least 50 deaths and 120 wounded.
I can't think of a more appropriate (although depressing) way to call McCain out on his BS.
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georgia10 has more on the Glorious Surge.
Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr urged the Iraqi government to end a crackdown on his militia after two days of fighting left more than 100 people dead across southern Iraq, an aide said Wednesday.
Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is leading the operation personally, his office said, with U.S. and British troops playing support roles.
The fighting threatens to unravel a seven-month cease-fire with al-Sadr's supporters. U.S. commanders credit it with tamping down Iraq's sectarian warfare.
Read Nir Rosen's article in Rolling Stone: The Myth of the Surge
Hoping to turn enemies into allies, U.S. forces are arming Iraqis who fought with the insurgents. But it's already starting to backfire. A report from the front lines of the new Iraq
Since John McCain has virtually staked his candidacy over the Iraq war, will the renewed violence in Basra trump any gains he's made in the run up to the Presidency?
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Too bad people have to do die for others in this country to get the point that McCain is about as wrong as a pointy bowling ball.
Absolutely amazing. "If we leave, there will be a genocidal civil war." WTF does he think is going on right now, the Spring Cotillion?
Iran is going to be blamed for the increase in violence and we'll be dropping bombs on Tehran before the Summer. Tell the troops to have their iodine pills handy.
Oh, and forget about the general election. We'll all be under martial law by then.
Didn't McDrooler realize it was a house of cards?
Well that's better than in the 70's when they had to break into Watergate hearings to give us late breaking news regarding soap opera developments.
yellow dog @ 2:
If we leave it could become a full out civil war. That is something I'm worried about. An exit needs to be done in a responsbile manner that leaves the country as secure as we can.
How can US and British forces be not involved if the US is giving air support ?
Fate called bull$hit on McLiar this time! ahahaha! So just and so well deserved to show his lying hypocrisy. McFascist outed again.
Joe! @ 6:
Because the (illegal) invasion and occupation were done in a responsible manner ?
Maverick strikes again.
Just a quick history question here before any legitimate repartee, please - Iraq has been in a "civil war" for decades or perhaps you didn't realize that? It's irrefutible and indisputable. So why is the though of them returning to what they were before we illegally invaded them even an issue for consideration at this point?
Sorry, but I don't see the logic.
Joe! @ 6:
Don't think so. These factions may hate each other, but it's obvious the hatred stems from supporting the US invasion and doing their bidding, from all the bribery. Sadr was quite happy taking US dollars. Perhaps they should have paid in Euros.
Comment #11 directed at yellowdog.
Guess McStupid was never informed through all the centuries he's been alive that pictures tell the story , and a picture is worth a 1,000 words ; especially when those words are idiotic and always include "my friends".......
Christy Hannity @ 7:
Because the media says they are not.
straight shooter!
Wait. straight talk, my mistake.
And if the morons in the white house knew one iota about the history of the Iraqi people, they would have realized that their already-existing civil war would intensify without Saddam there to quell it. Duh!
McIdiot is proving his profound level of stupidity every time he opens his mouth. I don't know about anyone else but it's almost impossible to look at his disgusting face these days.
You wait till the awakening council revolt, its gunna get a lot worse, no matter if the US leave or not, its a no-win scenario, something both the left and the right need to except, this is problem no outside force short of a massive UN intervention can "fix", and even then only putting the vendeta cycle on pause. McCain is right about one thing, this will last a century, at least.
All about the BULLS**T Express!!!!!!!
The Third Reich was telling Germans they we're winning also.
Ironic isn't it.
ConcernedCanuck @ 12:
Their hatred is over power. The shias won't stand to lose the control they had before the invasion and the sunnis have the majority to fight for it now. They are going to keep slaughtering the hell out of each other US inside or not. The only way to peace is through talks with their leaders. A pullout is good for America but will do nothing for Iraq but leave the country less secure.
Joe! @ 23:
What they need to broker peace is a leader they fear, and with a strong hand. Hmmmm...wonder where they could find a leader like that. Too late, he had dandruff cuz they found his head and shoulders in a US prison.
well, it was only a matter of time before al sadr decided to get back in the game.
better it be now so the republicans look stupid going into the election.
MCMetal @ 9:
AUB @ 20:
Not if nobody is supplying them weapons. Right now, it is claimed Iran is. Well, it would not surprise if a neighbouring nation supplied one side, since the US is supplying another.
Joe! @ 6:
you know, color me jaded, but haven't they had an imminent civil war for the last 100 years or so? since Britian declared their borders in 1920?
the US was bound to have a civil war, there was too much animosity for it not to happen. fistfights in the Senate and whatnot... - I mean, it seems to me like a civil war is inevitable in Iraq. so I say, back off, let them duke it out, and whatever they decide, thats their decision..
I think the problem isn't so much that if we leave Iraq, they'll have a civil war. civil wars happen all the time. I think the problem is, if we leave Iraq, our GOP-dominated administration will be rebuked by the U.N. for creating a scenario which enabled a civil war, just before an election.
*shrug*
His last check from the White House must have bounced. Should have demanded payment in Euros.
Barney Google @ 3:
Ummm ... this is how news gets scrubbed ...
Heres the headline at Yahoo.ca:
"U.S. says Iran behind violence raging in Iraq "
But when you click the link well, loookee here:
US says Iran could do more to help end Iraq unrest
1 hour, 9 minutes ago
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Iran could do more to help end violence in Iraq, the US military said on Wednesday, calling on Tehran to use its influence to help end lawlessness in the southern city of Basra.
"There is no question that the government of Iran has significant influence in Basra, in the province and in southeastern Iraq in general," said military spokesman Major General Kevin Bergner.
"We would love to see the government of Iran fulfill its commitments to help improve security and stability (in Basra) ... and reduce the activities of those operating outside the law," Bergner told a news conference in Baghdad.
Interesting huh? ......
Christy Hannity @ 26:
When McCokespoon is out of office, we can start acting responsbile.
Untold Prosperity huh?
The Lunatics are in charge of the Asylum
Ugh. I hate this whole thing. On one level I chuckled with the schadenfreude of McCain's Fantasy Island episode being interrupted to bring us this breaking news.
On another level I was mortified that being right comes at the expense of yet more lives. The horror of what these abstract news stories represent is something I can only partially grasp.
In any case, maybe the media just needs to serve John McCain his steaming cup of Shut the Fuck Up.
curses curses! my friends pay no attention to the dead iraqys behind the curtain, ah my friends!
This is fu*king heartbreaking for so many reasons. More people are going to die and for what? Aren't the Iraqi army for the most part fighting their fellow countrymen?
The white house spin is that the Iraqi army will try to handle this and if they can that will be a giant step for their army. Well, if they are able to handle it, then bring our soldiers the hell home.
It'll be Saturday before McCain understands what is going on today.
Joe! @ 6:
It IS a full out civil war, genius. And we are the catalysts.
There is no more responsible thing we can do than to simply get our troops out of that situation. We are the problem. We cannot be the solution. In order to have ever credibly been the solution we needed not to have flooded the country with filthy money, lawless thugs, and run the whole affair with wanton stupidity. THAT SHIP HAS FUCKING SAILED.
oops!
Joe! @ 6:
there is already a civil war occuring
if we stay or if we go, it doesnt matter
but we are hemoraging money there....its time to cut and run
damn! those ambulance drivers deserve a medal ( see video)
oh yeah, that was the speech Bush palgiarized parts of ( I emailed C&L with the evidence, hoping they''ll post it).
"My friends, the surge is working"
I'm paraphrasing George W. McSameOldShit, here, but the truth is, this is going to be the quote remembered in history as the quitessential bullshit phrase of this war, just as "light at the end of tunnel" analogy was to the Vietnam War.
The news media of that time latched onto it then as every official and military man kept insisting it was nearly won, when in fact was they knew they were in a quagmire and didn't have a fucking clue how to get out.
Many of the senior military have seen the tragic parallels and have tried to speak out, but are treated to harassment and early retirement for their efforts. Too many though, are afraid for their career and reprisals and keep silent. And we'll be paying the price should we face another enemy with a broken Army and Marine Corps that can't even field replacements for the surge troops coming home, never mind facing another threat somewhere in the world. We are fucked.
slippy hussein toad @ 37:
Now, now. There is some merit to the idea of leaving a skeleton force of peace-keepers in Iraq after we withdraw the troops.
I nominate the following in no particular order:
All members of PNAC
All members of AIPAC
Fox "News" Network
All right wingnut radio "personalities"
Any member of the College Republicans
We've gone off the deep end isn't obvious?
I guess the "SURGE" has finally quit surging!
A question here about Nuclear proliferation. The U.S. is supposedly trying very hard to keep Nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorist. Our idiot in chief even started a war claiming to go after WMD's in Iraq. Now we find out that the military "accidentally" shipped
Nuclear warhead detonators to Taiwan. The presidink called it an accident. China is fuming over this (since they look at Taiwan as theirs) and this is the best bush can come up with.
It is starting to look like the biggest accident that has happened has been that of Barbara hatching this prodigious idiot.
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 46:
Oh ... forgot to mention the huge debt we owe to China also.
McCain calls for more vigorous U.S. diplomacy
Reuters - 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
What happened? I thought we had to stay the course? To protect us from the evil muslim terrorists. Or did Putin say one move on our investments and assets and moneys owed to us by these countries in the middles east and your smoking glass?
I mean let's make up your mind Johnny.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 39:
Full out civil war. It could get a lot worse.
Sure the Republicans have a chance in November. Same chance that the monkeys who fly out of my butt do at making it out alive.
Here we go. Substitute Muqtada Al Sadr with Ho Chi Minh, and it's deja vu all over again, folks. It's clear nobody in Washington is serious about getting us out of Iraq. and the true Iraqi leaders have served notice that they're done fucking around. The Mahdi Army is letting Bush and Cheney know, once and for all "I got your surge right here, motherfuckers!"
This whole nightmare is a propaganda war over changing spinning definitions, over "sectarian fighting", "civil war", "victory", "defeat" etc etc. Pullease!! It's like the Israelis who keep spinning the reasons NOT to have a Palestinian state regardless. When a pattern is established, when such an immense base was built at the getgo, it doesnt take much to see the administration is determined to stay a long time obviously for oil. Until we extricate ourselves from the Israeli stranglehold over our foreign policy in the Middle East, we will do ITS bidding, not ours. And everyone is so f* scared to say it like it is. The result is our decline and implosion. Self destruction. Stupid sheeple on their way to their own slaughter.
L.A. Confidential @ 48:
Just heard on CNN that Bush is going to meet with Putin. Guess he wants a second look at his soul.
Joe! @ 49:
The right wing ass monkey veteran on Hardball last nite said..."the civil war is OVER."
LOLOL
Joe! @ 49:
worse???
you cannot control a civil war....all you can do is get our own guys killed
we effed up...its time to come home
then we can spend the final year of bush's presidency impeaching, convictiing and executing both he and the traitor cheney
casper46 @ 53:
What? George ran out of Vodka??
McBushJr........I wonder if John has his own private bubble or is allowed to share the Presidential bubble with his pal George?
where are the kudos for gravel, for standing up to his principles and leaving the dem party
I got your surge right here, John. Big, brown, steaming, successful surge.
casper46 @ 53:
Yeah the U.S. Military is unbeatable. We're the big swinging dick of earth. Until Putins ICBM's with 200 Megaton Warheads head our way.
Liberal AND Proud @ 56:
Well, the good stuff.
mystic @ 52:
gotta hand it to you....there is no reason to bring israel into this discussion, but you figured out a way to do it
if you honestly believe that we got into this war and occupation because of our israel policy, then i have some swamp land in florida to sell ya
truly amazing that libs keep harping on our israel/palestinian policy, but narely a peep over our china/tibet policy
Liberal AND Proud @ 56:
The fuck is the point of Chimpy meeting with Putin? Putin reads the newspapers; he knows the U.S. is bogged down in a mess of it's own making, and George Bush is a lame duck President with approval ratings lower than whaleshit. What could Bush possibly have to say to Putin? Personally, I'm surprised Putin would even take Chimpy's phone calls at this point.
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 63:
A better question might be, "what does Putin have that George wants to suck?"
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 63:
Uhh Hello Mr. Puty uhh would you be able to sell us some oil. I mean really cheap oil? Ma peoples is hurting and their screaming and hollering. The clanging of pots and pans. I mean, we need to put food on their families.
Maybe we kin be pardners!! Yeahwww on the brown brown grass back hoooooooome.
I doubt to many people recognize that al Sadr's truce came around the same time the escalation got underway. And here we have our hawk'ish politicians telling the American people that it's the military that's winning the peace in Iraq when in fact it was *gasp* diplomacy with power brokers that won more reductions in violence than any other factor. I hope the American people finally realize the truth for what it has been all along; American power cannot bring peace to a region whose power-brokers don't want peace...
err *too many people*
Damn typos...
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
"Ah but first, I wan't you to dress up in that cute flight suit and blow me, you commander guy, you!"
How bout Puty ya got ta work with us ol buddy I mean were not putting these Nukes on your border to aim at you? No sirrrrrrreeeeee! We're the good guys. And ya know what. We could even cut ya in the action. Ya know, kind of like that airplanebus thing. U.S.-Russia join up for strateeegic uhhh, uhhh, uh statergy, something like uhh that? Maybe Bush and Putin become Peacekeepers and makers? Hows that sound. Hee hee. I like that for my history book library and legaschmegsy!
I found the "World Affairs Council" wallpaper behind McCain rather intriguing so I did a little googling. Turns out it is some outfit pretending to be non-partisan that provides back drops to Republicans and any fellow travelers who need to be seen looking statesmanlike and informed. I'm only surprised that they didn't call themselves The Organization of Guys who Really Know Their Shit Foreign Policywise, Really.
L.A. Confidential @ 69:
If Putin does meet with Chimpy, it's going to be pathetic. Ol' Vladimir (or "vlattimer" as President George W Retard calls him) is holding all the cards in his country; he's dealing from a position of strength while Chimpy - uh - not so much. Seriously, Putin might as well order Bush to drop to his knees and get to work, because Bush brings to the table absolutely nothing Putin would need. What a fucking humiliation!
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 62:
“According to a 1996 paper drafted by prominent hard-line neoconservatives – including some, like Douglas Feith and David Wurmser, who would later serve in senior posts in Cheney's office and the Pentagon in the run-up to the invasion – ousting Hussein and installing a pro-Western leader was the key to destabilizing Israel's Arab enemies and/or bending them to its will. This would permit the Jewish state not only to escape the Oslo peace process, but also to secure as much of the occupied Palestinian (and Syrian) territories as it wished.
“Indeed, getting rid of Hussein and occupying Iraq would not only tighten Israel's hold on Arab territories, in this view; it could also threaten the survival of the Arab and Islamic worlds' most formidable weapon against Israel – OPEC – by flooding the world market with Iraqi oil and forcing the commodity's price down to historic lows.
That's how it looked five years ago anyway.”
– Jim Lobe, 3/20/08, http://antiwar.com/lobe/
OsirisHusseinOsiris @ 13:
I made the same point - you're confusing what I said with what someone named Joel said.
Please learn how to read threads on this blog before jumping someone.
BTW - I'm of Middle Eastern descent and taught history. LOL
It's just a damned shame when your pie in the sky propaganda gets pissed on by reality.. huh Johnny boy.... Maybe if you rant some more about how you'll up and let the banks sink and drown in their own greed and stupid decision making, people will not notice just how full of shit you are on this war mongering thing you're stuck on these day McCain.... Or maybe you can throw one of your underlings under the bus instead and get people talking about that instead.. That seems to be a popular strategy when you pols manage to get both feet into your mouths lately.......JD
If only these soldiers were as brave as Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon.
-Dick(cheese) Cheney
"The surge is working", "The surge is working", "The jurge is surking", "The urge is jerking", "The furg is murking", "The ...ah, the..."
Wait, start again...."The surge is working", "The surge is working".....
L.A. Confidential @ 65:
Additionally, our childrens isn't learning.
Don't pay any attention to those negative news reports about violence in Iraq. It's just the liberal media trying to make St. McCain and King George the Lesser look bad.
McCain will soon apologize for interrupting freedom-in-progress in Iraq with his speech.
Frybread @ 78:
You laugh but it will be a serious talking point on ....you guessed it.. FuxNews!
Joe! @ 6:
Our presence is fueling the violence and we created the conditions for civil war. For example: Disbanding the Iraqi army...sending thousands of armed men out into the streets, de-Baathification, arming the various Sunni and Shia factions, installing the Maliki puppet government.
Everything the US has done in Iraq has led to increased violence. The entire war was irresponsible from the start!
As much as anything else, presidential campaigns are won and lost by the media narratives that rightly or wrongly come to define a candidate. In the case of Repubican nominee John McCain, the seemingly unshakable narrative of the political "maverick" could not be further off the mark. At almost every turn, McCain in his eternal quest for the White House has reversed long-held positions, compromised core principles and swallowed his pride in order to curry favor with both the leading lights of the conservative movement and right-wing Republican primary voters. The untold story of campaign 2008 is simply that of John McCain's transformation from maverick to prostitute.
For the details, see:
"From Maverick to Prostitute: The Untold Story of John McCain."
Leslie @ 81:
Our presence is also the only thing standing between the Sunnis and Shias burning each others civilizations to the ground.
Not that I show any support of this dumb war. I'm just saying an immediate withdrawal without any strategy is foolish.
Joe! @ 83:
Right now, the Mehdi Army (Shia, not US backed) is being fought by the Badr Brigade (Shia, US and Al Maliki backed) in southern Iraq (heavily Shia). This conflict is about economic interests. Whn the Sunni Arabs in central Iraq get squeezed out of any slice of the economic pie (which they most certainly will by Al Maliki) and they are no longer paid protection money by the US, they will fight with the central government again. The Shia are being supplied by Iran; the Sunni are being supplied by Saudi Arabia and, to a lesser extent, Syria. The Kurds are arming and training themselves as much as possible because they know that if they can't defend themselves, eventually Iran and Turkey will beat the crap out of them. Saudi Arabia and Iran both want a friendly country next to them - and both want even more, a compliant or satellite government controlling the oil next-door.
Meanwhile the US Army and Marines sit around trying to keep people from killing each other, using the only tools they have: rifles and attack helicopters. Sure, we'd love to hear about the schools being built and stuff, but who are you trying to kid?
There's no way that the US can defuse this powder keg, especially considering that the US has not endeared itself to anyone with fifteen years of support of Saddam Hussein, ten years of sanctions, and five years of shock, awe, depleted Uranium, and white phosphorus.
Its too bad we spent so damn much on the biggest
palace, er... "embassy" known to humankind, because we are going to leave sooner or later, and everything will be sorted out only after we do.One way to turn down the heat on the situation is to do something to drive down the cost of oil - like, for example, spending 12 billion dollars a week on developing alternative energy. Hell, at this price, burning money might be cheaper than continuing our oil dependence.
Why Should we stand in the middle of their civil war? If the sunnis and the shias want to kill each other let them. Why should our soldiers die to keep them from fighting?
I almost feel sorry for this mixed up stupid old man. Every time he makes some silly talking point concerning Iraq, it turns out all wrong. If I were an Iraqi, I would not be photographed anywhere near this old angry buzzard. Iraqi people die once the straight jacket express leaves.
phayce @ 72:
oh goody, another analyst with his head firmly up his butt
cuz since the start of the war, israel has returned the gaza and is currently in talks with syria
pbs does a 2 part show analyzing every aspect of the war and what led up to it, yet not one mention of israel....and pbs is no friend to israel
this war was fought for many reasons, but the least of which was to give israel more power in the region
wanna tell me how taking away iran's main enemy makes things better for israel? as long as sadaam was around, iran kept its big yap shut
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 87:
forgot to add....doug feith is a retard....im amazed he even knows how to write
Yeah, try telling that to the Sadr militia. He was there last week and...now it's gone to crap.
Good job McShank. The surge was working...until you opened your mouth.
Iraq's civil war is inevitable. It is an unstable, unnatural, artificially concocted pseudo-nation. Its mutually antagonistic factions were held together only by a brutal, ruthless dictator. Now he's dead, so there is nobody ruthless enough to keep the country in one piece. Iraq is going to break into three pieces after a bloody, genocidal civil war, like it or not.
We need to decide: Do we want our sons and daughters to get killed in the middle of Iraq's civil war?
I say NO, John McCain and Hillary Clinton say YES.
Therefore, I look for a candidate that agrees with me. That's Barack Obama.
.
So,
The Iraq Military CAN handle it's own...
So,
Why are we still there?
The mission WAS accomplished already... NO?
Oh, that's right.
There'$ a killing to be had at making war$.
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"McCain’s Iraq victory speech interrupted by reports of violence in Iraq"
Seriously. I was under the impression that this was a news site. Quit ripping off headlines from The Onion.
New_Damage @ 92:
sometimes, the fake news is as real as the real news.
It messes with my head as well.
This is all a bunch of fucking bullshit!!!! So what!?!?!? Is anything constructive actually taking place!? Didn't think so.
There's only one part of Insane McCain's line that you need to hear: "I don't care what you say."
Be assured that he will expand on this theme endlessly.
Joe! @ 83:
No our presence is not what's standing between more infighting, it only makes things worse- that's an insult to Iraqi's and their contribution to make things safer. What's preventing the in-fighting is actually peace-talks- Al-Sadr himself started reconcilation talks with various Sunni groups a long while ago and has repeated talks of being unified.
Its also more complicated than "Shia vs. Sunni", there are various types of groups, most Sunni's do not want to fight Shia's because in the end they are still Muslims and still Iraqi's. The Sunni's that do are part of the fringe Al-Qaeda elements that are in Iraq now- but they have very little support from anyone. Many Shias and Sunnis in Iraq are blood-related, this is not a civilizations old civil war that some people keep on bullshitting about. The fact is that the only the only real reason there is infighting is because Iraqi's are fighting against other Iraqi's who are supported by the United States.
Our presence only hampers peace and makes it an almost impossible dream.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 87:
This war is steeped in Zionist and bible-thumping "end-times" lunatic motivations. Evangelicals want to make god happy by supporting the "chosen ones" and Isreal would love more than anything to turn Iraq into a large amercan staging area from which to send their proxies off to attack everyone.
This thing is going down for a variety of reasons but you can't pretend that isn't one of them.
MCMetal @ 9:
How we got there is beside the point.
Ignore that man behind the curtain, I am the great and powerfull Oz---- These are not the droids you seek, move along.-----The checks in the mail-------I won't cum in your mouth---The surge is working. Gee I'am convinced!
Gremulack @ 97:
Uh....huh. So, the Israel with the strongest army in the region and 400+ nukes needs Washington's help. Right. I've got land south of Cameron Parish to sell you....
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I seriously doubt that many of the commentors today have much experience in fighting military battles or anything remotely as difficult to stratagize about. Things change on the battlefield and then you have to change as well. The quit at any cost crowd in this country wouldn't lift a finger to fight over anything unless their student loan payment's or welfare checks all of a sudden got held up in the mail. Listening to the all of the sky is falling mantra being thrown about on everything from the economy, to the war, to the healthcare system is sickening and the basic root cause for all the mindless and thoughtless dissent we are all subjected to from the vocal minority that inhabits the Internet bloggosphere most of the daylight working hours. The left has eloquently honed its decades old message of doom and gloom to a fine edge and my haven't the truly naive and DNC addicted koolaid drinkers swallowed it hook line and sinker. I personally do not think things inside Iraq are great but neither do I think they are nearly as desperate or dire as Sens. Leahy, Dean, Pelosi, Boxer or Obama want us all to believe. I still support the troops (who by and large seem content to keep up the fight regardless of the lefts attempts to demoralize them) and my support for them does not fluctuate because of the daily blogs opinions and constant naysaying on the subject. The election will ultimately settle the direction on the war and the economy, and some think a Democrat tide is forthcoming at that time, but I believe the opposite is more likely due to the utter lack of a cognizent alternative that does not include a surrender to our enemies abroad coming from their side of the political spectrum.
i don't care what the facts are i am as senile as G Woosie awol Bush...should be what McCain said... oh by the way John how much do you make when another American dies in Iraq... you and your family are loaded with defence company stock.. McCain and Halliburton one in the same... same old Bush bs
Sounds like you don't know what you are talking (sounds bites only). And whats more, you want us to lose. What a shame.
You need to think outside the political box in our country to understand the power struggles going on between Shiites. We are so focused on our elections that we do not see the Iraqi situation clearly. Stop trying to blame Iraqi problems on everything else. Iraqis are trying to reshape their country. Maliki has a tough job. Open your brain and stop wasting time being hung up on internal politics.
How could this possibly hurt mcLaim"s bid for the Empoorer"s seat,
given these fact"s.
Ron Paul received 37,220 votes in the 14th dist. of Texas for his congressional seat over Peden.
However, Ron Paul only received 6,697 votes in the 14th dist. of Texas for his Presidential Primary.
A GLARING oversight by the MACHINE MASTERS (programmers), the DEVIL is in the details.
Don't take my word for it (as if you care). Go to the Texas Sec. of States web site and check, its all there.
This is all courtesy of the HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT of 2002.
Your (both sides of the isle) Congress gave you this.
It doesn"t matter how the people vote, what matters is who COUNTS the vote.
slippy hussein toad @ 34:
Wow... how about we act like we are 5 while commenting on a news story and use profanity about something that you probably don't even fully understand. Why does everyone seem to think that they could do so much better than the people that are in decision making positions. Don't you think that they are there for a reason? Obviously they know a whole lot more than you do so maybe you should show a little bit of respect.
This AOL> is SOoooo, censored!!! You ever notice that on all of the articles that relate to Obama, or Mc Cain, that you can read the article, but can never see the results of the voting? Thats probably because they don't want the American public "we the people"to see just how far in the lead that Obama is over the war mongering Bush regiem!
Illegal aliens are costing us more than the WAR!!! 238 BILLION/YEAR!!!! Why are we not removing these people by bringing back the troops from Iraq and stationing them on our borders, building the fence and rounding up all the illegals here for deportation!!!
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 62:
Gee, I guess you missed it when Liberal Steven Spielberg ended his involvement in China's Olympics because of their Tibet policy. Or the many Liberal Hollywood stars (Richard Gere, Mia Farrow, George Cloony) who have spoken out against China. Or the very long article in the L.A. Times this week about the many Liberal Hollywood people speaking out against China. Meanwhile, I sure don't hear the right mentioning it very often. Perhaps I missed a Dennis Miller rant (not that I'd watch him).
Who is benefitting and who is losing from reports of violence in Iraq? It's not rocket science. Those benefitting are the enemies of self-rule and the civilized world. Just exactly who are they? Examine your own beliefs and ask yourself which side you're on. Any questions?
yellow dog @ 2:
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 46:
Along these same lines, Why doesn't anyone seem to remember that GW. stoped the shipments of coal to Korea, that they needed to fuel their power plants? When they tried to fire up their nuclear plans "under Clinton" he solved the problem by shipping the "I forget the amount" millions of tons of coal. # weeks after bush got in he stoped shipments of coal to Korea!!! So, I ask you, Who's fault is it that they started up their nuclear plans again??
For all you cowards who don't support our men and women in Iraq, better recall how it all got started. Fools always have short memories. See the below.
http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
What the heck have we gotten ourselves into?
God Help us all!
Liberals continue to disassociate themselves with war and attempt to convince that evil doesn't exist. history always proves them wrong. civilization owes gratitude to the courageous, the brave and those with clear moral clarity.
Joe! @ 23:
OsirisHusseinOsiris @ 11:
I would like to add to this.....I agree that Iraq has always been in a 'civil war'...killing seems like an every day 'event' for the citizens and government there, way before the US 'invaded'. I believe that the US never should have gone there, PERIOD. Truthfully, I'd get every last American Soldier and Civilian OUT of Iraq, then drop a MEGA BOMB on the place! We'd just be shortening the length of time they would take to kill 'each other'...AND we'd be saving OUR AMERICANS in the process. The United States needs to start paying attention TO THE UNITED STATES!
The nuke and pave option really asks the question what are you really willing to do for peace. Or, perhaps put this way, how long do you want peace to last.
slippy hussein toad @ 34:
I would like to add to this…..I agree that Iraq has always been in a ‘civil war’…killing seems like an every day ‘event’ for the citizens and government there, way before the US ‘invaded’. I believe that the US never should have gone there, PERIOD. Truthfully, I’d get every last American Soldier and Civilian OUT of Iraq, then drop a MEGA BOMB on the place! We’d just be shortening the length of time they would take to kill ‘each other’…AND we’d be saving OUR AMERICANS in the process. The United States needs to start paying attention TO THE UNITED STATES!
jimbo92107 @ 90:
It took I believe 11 years from the time our constitution was signed to sign the declaration of independence. Yet we expect a country like Iraq to have it all figured out in less than 5 years??? Who would have dreamed the US would eventually have a base in Germany when Hitler was plowing through Europe at will? This instant gratification, reality TV nation doesn't have half the fortitude our grandparents did.
Patrick Rodgers @ 114:
We do not have any business occupying Iraq. Their civil war has nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks by binLaden. Near as I can determine, binLaden is hiding out in Afganistan/Pakistan, not Iraq. Why are we in Iraq? Who ever cared how bad a guy Sadam was? After all, he was propped-up by us, supplied with cash and arms by us, and we are somehow concerned about leaving now and a civil war resuming in Iraq? I don't think so! How about going full strength into the mountains of Afganistan/Pakistan and bringing binLaden's head home on a platter? "My, my", as a one-time secretary of defense once uttereed!
I voted for W and regret it immensely! Is it too late to prosecute him for an illegal invasion/occupation of Iraq? All the while virtually ignoring the fact that we cannot get to binLaden because of Pakistan being an ally! Please. Musharraf is simply another punk taking our money and pretending to be an ally. For God's sake, as well as the rest of the free world, drop the big one and get it over with. It worked pretty well against the Japanese!
All my love,
Fuzzy
That interruption was a sign to all of us. McCain has stated he will put more troops in Iraq, he has stated he does not rule out going into Iran and has stated he will be keeping a close eye on them. He has stated he wants a constant presence in Iraq. I cannot believe the support he is receiving after he has told us he will not end the war. We are trillions of dollars in debt, we had to loan money from China(come on). When is it going to end. The fighting that has gone on in those countries has been happening for hundreds of years, it is something we will never understand. Our troops are committing suicide at alarming rates, they are coming home injured with no facilities to take care of them, they are coming home to no job and no income and no help from our government. If you elect Mccain you are risking the draft being implemented again. Are you willing to give up your children, to risk their lives. And for you rich republicans, no amount of money can save your children from the draft. Think about your children. McCain has same mentality as Bush. Oh and did you hear him say, the economy is his weakness, but he knows war. Wow, he has his priorities in order.
I wish you idiots would quit believing all the junk in the media and papers. The troops saying that the surge is working and that the Iraqies are letting them know where the IED's are and some of the insurgents are. I believe them over the newspapers who only give the DEM's way of looking at the action.
Well at least he can honestly say he has been there and done that,
were as the others have not seen or been at war themselves
I have never in my life seen so many people that thought they knew how to run this country. Lives are going to be lost now or later and that is not just U.S. lives that is all over the world. Terrorism is world wide and if you think there is not going to be more tragedy and horror and lost lives because of this and other reasons you are sadly mistaken. I feel John McCain is good man does he have all of the answers, NO. But in one aspect he has more experience than any other candidate. I know this is not what a lot of people want to hear but we need to think long and hard about this next election. Barack Obama is barely wet behind the ears, he may be a good man but he does not have the experience in my opinion to be president at this time. Any way if this country does not have a united front in the future we are going to be in serious trouble. pissed off patricia @ 36:
slippy hussein toad @ 34:
vvvvvJack @ 117:
For all those who think "Iraq's civil war" fueled by Al Qaida, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. etc. doesn't have anything to do with us and our war on terror, haven't bothered to check out memritv.org which chronicles news clips of various Middle Eastern media sources. You've heard of clerics preaching death to us infidels in mosques. You can witness first hand what is being televised to muslims in the Arab world, if any are interested.
This war shows how stupid our country is. Where was the CIA? No one was responsible. However, everyone knows how chicken we are. We start the last three wars and quit. If we do not finish the job this time, we will be the laughing stock around the world.
The left wing is wrong to quit and the right wing wants to fight forever. Please just use common sense. Mc Cain is not liked by the right or the left. Maybe he has come at the right time. My only worry is, he smart enought to be president. Look what happens when a person not qualified runs the white house.
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There's a certain ring for "Springtime in Iran." And a certain bomb it would be. Martial-Law certainly not really out of the question, then we would really get George's third term. Not "God Bless America" but "God Please Please Save America"
All the comments about whether or not Iraqis are in a civil war or not is moot when you consider that the militias that control the various regions are regulating the fighting. They have made a mockery of the so-called US surge. They allowed Patreus, et. al to be lulled into a false belief that what they were doing actually was working. Current events prove that to be false. These militias will fight to their last man, woman and child in order to rid their region of invaders (and to them the United States are invaders). So McCain, Bush, Clinton and even Obama can all have their plans for Iraq but the bottom line is that once the US is out that country is going to become a nightmare. It is going to be one of the ugliest, bloodiest battles the world has ever seen. And for this we can thank George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and crew.
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It seems that we are following Israel's policies towards Palestinians. Colonialism is dead thus, we can never expect to conquer Iraq. There is no amount of American troops that can impose an outcome that it is not the Iraqi's people wish. We can keep them prisoners in their country but that cannot be done in a country of thirty million. If we leave today, or in ten years, the results will be the same. I wish that some sage person, besides myself, can tell the Iraqi and American people our aim. Democracy, doesn't cut it. Occupation, an impossibility and imposing our will on them a far fetched dream. The Iraqis must go through a cleansing process that will result in an outcome which will not be to our liking now, or in ten years. Compounding the mistakes of the past with our insistence that Iraq will be a democracy that will ever accept us and our allies in the region-Israel-, is a pipe dream. I hope that the new President with the exception of McCain, will see the follies of our past 8 years and cut our losses by getting out the fastest way possible.
Wow. I'm sure this whole war thing is nothing that can't be cured by a handful of flowers, a hug and some anal sex.
Bunch of whining, liberal pukes on preahing to each other on here.
It only hurts McCain with the panty waste morons that want to hand America over to the enemy.
This administration invaded a sovereign nation, captured its leader, executed him.
Now they demand that the democratically elected government takes charge.
I do not think this administration would put any leaders in that do not agree with them.
These people have no idea what they are to do. They have no such experience.
All they have now is a destroyed country.
Do you think Hillary or Obama are going to be the answer? It is war people. War is never nice. And how can anyone know what is going to happen day to day. The last I had heard things were going well and then it turned. We are not God...we have no control over what is going to happen.
what the hell does a 7 year stint in the Hanoi Hilton make him qualified to be commander in chief? He's a rebuke loser!
And just what does "victory" in Iraq look like? 20 - 30 years of involvement, to run up a big arms & body count bill? The Iraqis handing their oil over? Isn't this last point one of the "benchmarks?" We're there on a flimsy pretext, fighting for nothing. They just want to be left alone - they were better off before we went in. Now it's all about stupid macho schoolyard bragging rights, while the economy abd US prestige goes down in flames. This is what it feels like under fascism, I suppose.
SEE! We should have dropped the bomb in the begining. It's coming to an end now and it's going to get worse.
Powers of this world have an inch in thier butt's and are going to be pushing those buttons like crazy.....We are all dead now! God bless those who survive.
They are going to wish they weren't.
i hate idiots, this is for you bi partizan idoits who think the democrates can change this countries desolution. preening assholes who can point a finger without the intellegents to even comprehend whats at stake. come on get serious. this countrys life blood is bled from victems to dumb to know their bleeding.. grow up, let your betters do your thinking for you, mccain had no control over those people and just because he voted for a bill to save americans dosent give you insects the right to crucify him with this backward caotic slander.
thats not to say i love our current dictator but whats the point tring to slime a hero with your clearly smarmy opinoins. do you not like those kids fighting and dying to put high test in your suv. dont care if they die, if they live in shame like the last generation of vets. you make me sick, mccain is the only one with a shred of honor. yeah its far away and you dont have the brain power to keep your thoughts coherent for more than 30 seconds at a time. good argument you scum hate me if you want look past my cynicism if you can. get smarter if you want
we are being led away from the truth. live to see clearly, and life is free, be manipulated and know burden.
Why are people continuing to say illegal war? Bush has full authority over the military and CONGRESS also voted to invade Iraq. What makes that illegal? The weapons of mass destruction was already out of Iraq and into Syria, because they hemmed and hawed around before they invaded. Plenty of time to hide the weapons of mass destruction.
Bush's advisors told him about the weapons of mass destruction.
If we pull out of Iraq now, the terrorist win. Do you really want them to think our country is weak? There is enough of them already in this country to cause us much damage. They are just waiting for a weak president and congress.
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my first reply was to the people who run this goat rodeo, and push their own agenda, to blunt i think you pray on the ignorant to push in liberal control so that what few freedoms we have will be stolen. you must be well fed yuppies to push this crap and not even flench. why else would you push these reed spined, facist, LYING, RACIST, drull liberals.
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McCain is a senile War Monger who did 6 years at the Hanoi Hilton, lost his mind and wants to be a War President just like Bush. He cares not how many American lives are lost in this insane endeaver.
I'm a Vietnam Vet too, a combat paramedic. I don't want to delve into the "Box in my head where I keep all that which I cannot deal with from that damn war. I DON'T even want to think the baggage someone has who spent all that time in the 'Hanoi Hilton' Hell. Moreover, I don't want someone, whether him or all the way down to just a vet like me, in charge of the national defense.
Advise, yes we can. We can REALLY testify to the waste of a war that can only be endured...but not won in the terms of past conventional wars.
It is admirable that he has be able to work his way in spite of all this to the senate. However, the senate is one thing, but the presidency is definitely another.
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