Face The Nation: Lara Logan - Gains Of The Surge Have "Almost Disappeared"
By Logan Murphy Saturday Apr 05, 2008 1:30pm
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CBS' Chief Foreign Correspondent, Lara Logan, spoke with Bob Schieffer on Face The Nation about the real situation on the ground in Iraq and General David Petraeus' upcoming appearance before Congress to dump propaganda give a progress report on the Bush/McCain surge. As Logan puts it, the recent fighting in Basra may have all but negated nearly all progress that the surge may have brought:
"Well, the last few weeks have really been brutal for General Petraeus because he really was looking at a year where he had managed to be quite successful in reducing violence, particularly in Baghdad and some of the surrounding areas. One of the main reasons for that are the agreement with the Sunni tribes and also with some Shiite tribes, the militias that they were forming and working with the Americans. But, those gains have almost disappeared in the face of the recent violence which spread so quickly from Basra in the south of Iraq..."
John Amato: Twenty people were killed last night which as she puts it was a very determined defense by these militias---not wanting to give up their power base and as the American Commander in charge of Sadr City said:
"He said this fight began as a fight for these rocket launch sites and it's now all about killing Americans."
I thought this was an Iraqi operation all along---sorry, I'm confused.
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they never were there in the first place, but we all knew that.
Amazing how every media article goes out of it's way to say they are "Iraqi forces offensives", and yet there is American military everywhere. Um, if it was really Iraqi forces doing any of this stuff, there would be no need for US forces over there at all. Oh wait, that would be anti-surge.
Now, when they trot out Betrayus, what is he going to say? Iran is gaining influence? The surge is working? This is all white wash and very depressing. "Just another six months" they'll say. Enough time so Georgie Boy can sail off to Crawford and never look back. While we the American people pay the price. Where did this all go so wrong? What the Hell!
When they say "agreement with the Tribes" they are talking about the people they pay $10,000 a year to stay home and not fight.
And Muqtadr Al Sadr has his own surges at will.
They can say what they want, it doesn't make it true.
And sooner or later the general pubic will come to realize that they've been bullshitted.
The sooner the better.
But some people are so pig headed that they'll never admit to being wrong.
That's one of those authoritarian complexes that the repugs have.
They can't handle admitting they were wrong, and are to ashamed to admit it to themselves.
ConcernedCanuck @ 2:
Many of the Iraqi Forces refused to fight in Basra. Much as most of our soldiers wouldn't shoot at Americans on our streets. There is nothing civil about civil war except when the few refuse to kill their own.
gotta go, almost 2 AM and I'm beat.
Later friends.
Let's just get the hell out of there. Enough is enough. If the Iraqi Army won't stand up to fight now, are we going to stay another five years?
I thought when "The Iraqi's Stand Up, We'll stand Down"
well, they have more that 150,000 now so wtf.
Hey Laura You might want to do some research:
Did you know? that 47 countries' have reestablished their embassies? in Iraq? ?
Did you? know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi? people ?
Did you? know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under? rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction and 38 new? schools have been completed in Iraq? ?
Did you? know that Iraq 's higher educational? structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and? 4 research centers, all currently? operating?
Did you? know that 25 Iraq? students departed for the United State s in January 2005 for the? re-established Fulbright program ?
Did you know? that the Iraqi Navy is operational ? They have 5 - 100-foot patrol? craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry? regiment.
Did you? know that Iraq 's Air Force consists of? three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3? US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control)? which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters? and 4 Bell Jet Rangers ?
Did you know? that Iraq has a counter-terrorist? unit and a Commando Battalion?
Did you? know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and? equipped police officers?
Did you? know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq? that produce over 3500 new officers each 8? weeks?
Did you? know there are more than 1100 building projects going on? in Iraq ? They include 364? schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22? oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.
Did you? know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the ?first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
Did you? know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by? mid October?
Did you? know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in? Iraq and phone use has gone? up 158% ?
Did you? know that Iraq has an independent media? that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television? stations?
Did you? know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of? 2004?
Did you? know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently? OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW! WHY DIDN'T WE? KNOW? YOUR NEWS MEDIA REFUSES TO TELL US! Instead of reflecting our? love for our country, we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu? Ghraib and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.? Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq? serves three two major purposes of the liberal news? media:
Did you know that you are an idiot for parroting ubiquitous lib talking points?
Who's Laura? Oh. I guess you mean Lara.
Let's give a hearty round of applause to Schieffer going out of his way to bring up al Qaeda but leave it to Lara Logan to stress that this al Qaeda is an Iraq operation (though I wish she had emphasized that it isn't the same al Qaeda as Bin Laden's organization, a bit of confusion for many that Bushco loves to exploit). It would also be nice if the press stayed away from defining this as a proxy war, as that, to, plays into the administration's propaganda that this is a staging ground for al Qaeda and Iran. Though there are no doubt elements of truth to those contentions, the larger picture is simply this, the U.S. staged an illegal military assault on a sovereign foreign nation and threw the entire power structure of the region into disarray. Any negative outcome is simply a text book example of reaping what you sow. We'd be far better served by talking to Iran about how to stabilize Iraq and focusing our forces on Afghanistan. Of course, it might also be nice if we stopped supporting Saudi Arabia and turning a blind eye to all their radical Sunni elements (not to mention their brutal government).
scruzman @ 10:
Please post a link stating where you got these "facts" from TIA
scruzman is a troll @ 10:
sounds like a good reason for us to gtfo, genius. if we take your statements at face value.
oh, and I'm guessing she *DID* know that since she mentioned the surge has worked well except for the last 2 weeks which have negated nearly everything accomplished over the last 9 months.
how many of those 51,000 cops were shot in the last 2 weeks?
how many of those schools were bombed/burned in the last 2 weeks? how about the hospitals, railroad stations and oil facilities?
how many of those newly employed were scared to go to work the last 2 weeks?
Ok scruzman, Millions of displaced Iraqis, Tens of thousands dead. Illness and poverty. Thousands of Iraqi orphans. I guess you wondering why we are so pessimistic?
Hey Scruzman,
Funny post. You should list your tour dates. I live near a Laugh Factory.
Troll, troll, troll your post...
mudshark hussein @ 9:
Speaking of Iraqi's "standing up", it appears that while Petraeus will be testifying before Congress Wednesday there may very well be a million Iraqi's in the streets of Iraq demanding the U.S. get the F out of their country. Democracy in action. That's what we want, right?
http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=1289&thisvi...
scruzman @ 10:
Hey scruzman! You might want to do some research yourself...Did you know that before the US launched its unprovoked pre-emptive bullshit strike and illegal war against Iraq, none of the bullshit you bring up would be an issue?
That over 4,000 US troops would still be alive, or at least, not killed in an illegal war...
That possibly over million Iraqis would still be alive?
That the infrastructure of Iraq would still be intact?
Thar we and our grandchildren's grandchildren wouldn't owe trillions to the Saudis and the Chinese?
The dollar might not be tanking?
That the price of gas might still be below $3.00 a gallon?
I could go on about the ruined environment over there, the millions attempting to immigrate, the bleak future faced by Iraqis, but I know a guy like you has quit reading by now, and if you haven't, you aren't critically thinking enough to give a shit.
Had we simply divided the 3 trillion dollars and given an equal portion to everyone in Iraq we would have been infinitely more successful at "spreading Democracy". Alas no plasma televisions for the Iraqis, they'll just have to see the blood for real and not in High Definition. Smooth Move George W Douche (and all of you bloodthirsty idiots who supported this completely avoidable humanitarian atrocity)! Karma will get you, but not soon enough for me. I'd give a years salary to have the opportunity to pop that fucker right in the mouth and take out some teeth.
It's only going to get worse
Abbybwood, I read that too. Haven't seen it on MSM. Wonder if CNN or Faux News will cover it, or if there going to talk about Obama's bowling score again?
is there any historical evidence that demonstrates how a successful democracy was established on top of a culture that has zero experience with democracy?
makes about as much sense as building a steel & concrete tower in a swamp.
I believe hope is the strategy.
sheesh.
scruzman @ 10:
Man! this dude must get a fat paycheck from some Repug propaganda factory!
I refuse to believe that anyone can be this dumb and also be able to type!
scruzman:
Did you know by cherrypicking selective misleading numbers and statistics I can make North Korea look like a prosperous democracy?
galmud @ 24:
With a surplus of food rotting in the warehouses?
scruzman @ 10:
Did you know half a million Iraqi dead?
Did you know 2 million driven out of country?
Did you know Rush L intimately?
If what scruzman is saying is true, why isn't the non liberal media, like Fox News, giving us this information? Why isn't the White House saying this? Where are you getting your information? You make it sound like there is no war there, but somehow civilians and soldiers are still getting killed. So who is doing the killing? The liberal media? Hahahahaha! If what you are saying is true then we the people have a rock solid case of war crimes against Bush, Cheney, et al.
I think McCain assessed it correctly when he said Iraq was a game of "whack-a-mole". The splurge meant that more soldiers were over in Iraq whacking moles, and people like al-Sadr took a break. Meanwhile, we did pay off some Sunnis to fight Al Qaeda. But, we don't have an exit strategy, hence McCain's 100 year war, at $2B/week, not including "tail" costs.
In other words, the situation remains a quagmire.
Say what you will about sruzman, but he can type pretty damn fast!
There has NEVER been any "progress" from Iraq, unless you "move the goalposts" and compare the latest news to last weeks tragedies. There will always be "significant progress" right around the corner, and the "drawdown" will always be happening "just as soon as the situation stabilizes"
There never was any "progress" from the so-called "surge", buying a temporary lull in the fighting can be seen as nothing other than prolonging inevitable fighting. To further buttress that view, look at all the "walled cities" in Baghdad, entire neighborhoods cordoned off from each other in an attempt to quell violence.
Who in their right minds calls that "progress", or arming both combatants in a civil war we both created and are temporary referreeing a truce anything other than a mirage of "progress" which can disappear overnight?
There is no strategy, just a "keep troops in Iraq cause we say so" policy put forth by the Bush Admin.
If Petraeus says otherwise he is lying.
Verdillac @ 25:
Sure, I just dont mention the rotting part..
scruzman @ 10:
You know you sound like a German in 1940 bragging about the progress in Poland.We have invaded and are still in their process of raping that country . Only a blind dumb ass claim that any good can come from an illegal, immoral and unconstitutional invasion of an innocent country. How was the sermon this morning ?
P.D. @ 29:
Or he's a dab hand with the 'copy and paste' feature-a more likely scenario...
miss_kitty Hussein @ 18:
Just for the record...
over 40,000 US troops have been wounded and 17,000 of them seriously.
And the price of oil...
before the war is was $36 dollars a barrel, now it is fluctuating between $120 and $110 dollars a barrel and the inflation that this has caused and its impact on the price of food and fuel oil for heating as well as driving has created "food and fuel" riots in 33 countries according to the UN.
Gen. Petraeus is now the front man on Bush's miserable failure? Is Petraeus the "War Czar?" Or was that just another bogus idea that went nowhere?
miss_kitty Hussein @ 33:
either way, we've given it a full-course Troll Thanksgiving Feast.....
" the US forced the tribes to go after al qaida" ... er more like PAID them to go after al qaida.
McCain does not Know what he is talking about when it comes to Iraq. McCain got his facts wrong once again. To think some people actually consider him a leader.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/06/mccain-gets-facts-wrong-o_n_952...
Rasputin @ 34:
Just for the record...
over 40,000 US troops have been wounded and 17,000 of them seriously.
And the price of oil...
before the war is was $36 dollars a barrel, now it is fluctuating between $120 and $110 dollars a barrel and the inflation that this has caused and its impact on the price of food and fuel oil for heating as well as driving has created "food and fuel" riots in 33 countries according to the UN.
Thanks Rasputin....
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 6:
I don't think it's really a civil war either. I think it's more of a "which faction do we bribe/influence" this month. Always look behind the curtain to see who is controlling the puppet's strings.
scruzman @ 10:
Fixed it fer ya FauxFriend!
I think next to Patrick Cockburn and others, Lara Logan's reporting out of Iraq has been some of the best. She's very competent, concerned and very courageous.
On a completely different subject: She also happens to be a hottie. But predictably, she's looking the worse for wear after having spent so much time in a war zone. :( Still that voice, that accent, those eyes, that hair! Mmmmm, mmmmm!!!
andy @ 37:
And the Sunni fighters were fighting pretty much everyone, al Qaeda, the Shias, the Americans and realized they were loosing. So for self preservation sake they "joined" the American side to get them off their back while they fight al Qaeda.
scruzman @ 10:
Hey Scruzman? Do you know? how annoying? littering your comments? with inappropriate punctuation? is?
Scruz:
Did you know that after 5 years the US is still unable to get the electricity up to pre-war levels?
Did you know that after 5 years Iraq is unable to get oil production up to pre-war levels?
Did you know that many in this administration (such as Wolfowitz, and McCain) predicted that our occupation would be financed by Iraqi oil?
Did you know . . . that no WMD were found?
Did you know . . . there were absolutely zero operational ties between Al Quaeda and Saddam?
Did you know that 97% of the casualties we've sufffered in Iraq occurred after your man Bush declared an "end to all major combat operations"?
Did you know over 2,000,000 Iraqis have fled their country? The way you make Iraq look like Switzerland in the Middle East, I can't imagine why these people would leave their country. Maybe all the violence, ya think?
Did you know . . . you're an idiot?
From CBS Transcript.
SCHIEFFER: Well, it seems to me that this is going beyond the reasons that America went to
Iraq, and that was to provide, you know, establish some sort of a stable democracy in this part of
the world, to help the Iraqis put down these terrorists, who are a threat to the United States.
I'm sorry, I thought we went there to keep Saddam from hurling nuclear mushroom clouds at us? We went there to save them from the terrorists, really?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and observe that Muqtadr Al Sadr is perhaps the only true patriot currently operating in Iraq. He has consistently opposed the breaking up of the country, called out the Maliki government as an American puppet regime, defended the historically disenfranchised Shi'ite poor, and bravely stood up to the American military occupation.
If I were him, I would be thinking about rapproachment with his Sunni Ba'athist adversaries to form an anti-American / anti-SCIRI coalition that would make a continuing American occupation completely untenable. As someone pointed out in a different thread, one of the goals of the recent attack on Sadr's forces in Basra was probably to secure U.S. supply lines out of Kuwait in the event of a strike against Iran by the end of the year. However, it might also have been to secure a U.S. escape route to Kuwait should that strike occur and unleash violent reprisals against U.S. forces.
While I truly sympathize with the plight of U.S. forces trapped in Iraq, one hopes that they don't wind up as an historical illustration of failed military strategy, like the Germans at Stalingrad, Napolean's forces in Russia or Egypt, or any number of others. Perhaps a mutiny of the troops against their criminally incompetent commanders is in order.
Laura Logan is criminally beautiful!
For a minute there I thought Lara Logan referred to the gains of the scourge.
Or mayhaps the pain of the scourge?
Ahy chance Lara Logan will replace the airhead Katie Couric?
This is progress at CBS, although the claim that there were ever any "gains" is absurd, but I suppose that lip service must be paid to Bob Schieffer's earlier advocacy of that false position.
Actually the Iraqi government forces, in a test of strength, suffered a demoralizing whipping. Americans had to come to their aid, and even then Maliki was forced to beg al-Sadr for a cease fire to stabilize his crumbling army. Of course the Republicans and their media enablers are claiming the opposite, but that won't win the lost battle.
Hey scruzman - you spineless, brainwashed, blowhard dittohead chickenhawk - are you posting from the DSL connection in your timeshare in Sadr City? Is that how you became such an expert about the facts on the ground? Is that how you have the pathetic nerve to diss Lara Logan, who's been putting her life on the line in the middle of hell for several years?
Agreed but I thought she looked quite different this morning. Not the change in hair color but it looks like her cheeks are more sunken and there was something about her eyes. I don't know. It almost looked like she was drugged. I hope she's OK.
If what the person who posted in post #10 wrote is true, I have to congratulate the Iraqis for being so successful in the face of American mismanagement. We truly don't understand the Iraqis and have an equally profound misunderstanding of Iraqi culture. Clearly the Iraqis, and not the Americans, are responsible for the success of these infrastructure improvements. If they did it with our tax dollars, fine, it would have been one hell of a lot less expensive if we had focused on infrastructure rather than search and destroy (i.e. "shock and awe"). We Americans did one hell of a job utterly destroying their country, and we have to accept the fact that not all Iraqis are willing to sacrifice their country to have us leave. Most Iraqis would rather see schools, hospitals, transportation, etc., and then have us pack up and leave. So, if #10 is right, good. But, accept the fact that the place is still a shit hole because of us.
scruzman @ 10:
scuzman did you know im packing big meat?
scruzman @ 10:
This is probably the last place you can come and dumb bullshit like that, that not even pravda news will choke their audience with, and expect us to swallow that turd.
None of that is true. I say that without even looking into it, simply because it's so ridiculous that it is almost funny.
If you are going to make up shit and post it here, hoping to dupe us into thinking progress is being made in that hell hole called the bush occupation, then at least make it somewhat believable.
That was the most asinine post I've seen to date.
chuck @ 45:
Did you know that he has successfully baited so many people into feeding his troll ass because no one read to the very end of the thread and realized his troll ass was simply playing us for the reactionary fools we all can be?
Fact check on #10: The troll is full of it. There are 17 embassies or consulates as listed as being headquartered in Iraq, and the Swedish embassy has closed and moved their offices to Amman Jordan until further notice (LOL).
Hey #10; you are a lying sack of crap. I don't want to waste my time to search out all your other mistakes (lies), but I found this one in about two minutes.
http://www.embassiesabroad.com/embassies-in/Iraq
Did you know?
That this is where scruz got his facts?
http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/IraqQuestions.htm
Verdillac @ 58:
Scruz's grammar, sentence structure and comment make me think he/she may not be anywhere near the United States, but possibly somewhere in the Middle East. He/she uses the pronoun "we" in his comments. If Scruz was baiting, nice job. If scruz was expressing frustration about how badly we fucked up Iraq, and that the Iraqis are starting to recover their country, he/she could have done a better job.
Verdillac @ 60:
You should have put the word "facts" in quotations.
smiley @ 54:
That is what weight loss looks like. She was not drugged, her words were not slurred and her language was appropriate. Too many journalists are developing "battle fatigue" from their assignments in Iraq and she may be one of them. She would probably benefit from some R and R.
No, she wasn't. She was as lucid as ever. Like I said, it almost looked like she was drugged.
smiley @ 64:
Sorry.
Verdillac @ 60:
Wow, it's like making them up, only easier.
That was far more informative than "the surge is working" meme. Is that so difficult to report?
{{{8 P.D. Says}}}: Let’s just get the hell out of there. Enough is enough. If the Iraqi Army won’t stand up to fight now, are we going to stay another five years?
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No. Another hundred.
{{{10 scruzman Says: }}}
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Sounds great. Considered moving there???
{{{18 miss_kitty Hussein Says: scruzman @ 10: }}}
Yes scruzman. Everything Miss Kitty said, and then some (you tell him!!!). And I'll add, the decades and decades of blowback from people that now despise the USA, and allies that are loath to trust, support or assist you. USA sucks. USA keep out. Like that.
Get ready for "Surge, part two." Another corner to turn in Iraq. Coming soon to newsrooms near you. The war in Iraq survives by swinging from one dead branch to the next.
smiley @ 54:
She looks stressed out to me - I can't even imagine how stressful living in the Green Zone right now must be. That woman has a lot of guts.
Man, I come back from church and what do I find!
I didn't say everything was perfect; just that we don't get the whole story.
BTW, FYI
http://bootsinbaghdad.blogspot.com/2006/04/iraq-progress-report.html
smiley @ 54:
I was going to say how gaunt she looked, but I would like to believe its because the place is really hell and all she's been eating are combat rations. I also hope she's OK. I fear for her life. If Margaret Hassan of the Red Cross can get killed, she can also wind up dead. This quagmire must end.
Yeah, I was wondering if she'd developed (or worsened) an eating disorder, because she no longer fills me with lust, only pity, based on her looks. This, plus her tone and the look in her eyes is almost dispairing these days. But you're probably right, that it's the job, not her psyche. I hope so, at least, because she's an extremely valuable journalistic resource for those of us who still like our newspeople to be smart, tough, and critical thinkers.
I hope she gets well, either way. And I think I could talk my wife into it if Lara wanted to take me with her to Zermatt for some cooler weather and some RnR.
This war cannot be won for two reasons: one, we're trying to fight this and Afghanistan and failing at both without a draft (and the moment the draft goes in, both are over, the rich white kids won't stand getting their butts blown off and when we're old and gray will be elected on "war hero" crap like Dubya all over again), and two, the two wars are both repeating Soviet mistakes in Afghanistan. To see the result of a war like this, just look at Soviet Russia in 1979 versus Russia today, and then look at the Afghan record of wars lost vs. wars won. Now, remember that that's just one war we are currently fighting.
By war, I mean "occupation where we blow people to bits and call it a war."
scruzman @ 73:
Yep, its true we don't get the whole story. We get, "the insurgency is in its last throes", and crap like that. We get statements like "you go to war with the army you have". We get crazy ass lies like "in the form of a mushroom cloud" and "there is no doubt that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction". We get media statements like the surge is "working" or it has been successful. For you to post that list of lies speaks volumes of your absolute stupidity about how unsuccessful our strategy for reconstruction has been. Then, to feign shock about the responses to your post is deceitful. When did you ever post that we were not getting the complete truth from our government's leaders? I bet not once. Your duplicitous concern is truly amazing. Sheesh. You can comment to me in anyway you want, but I promise I won't reply, because you are full of it, and I enjoy pointing that out to anybody else who reads these comments.
Our citizens/soldiers were sold a bill of goods and were taken advantage of by the leaders in the government. Over 4,000 devoted Americans have paid with their lives for the deceptions and lies perpetrated on them and the rest of this country. Lies similar to the ones that you posted above. I do not feel they died in vain. But, I do believe that many of them would be alive today if not for the persistent lies like you posted up thread. Stop the lies, they are killing innocent Americans and Iraqis.
The soldiers who have devoted themselves to a successful outcome in Iraq (whatever that means) deserve, and have earned from me, the utmost respect and admiration. When you post lies, express dismay when others challenge you about those lies, and accuse others of not telling the whole truth, you are unintentionally harming, in your pathetic, twisted way, those soldiers and military personnel whom you believe you are helping.
Read Fiasco by Thomas E. Ricks. You may learn something.
" Surge gains disappearing " , well there is another shocker , almost fell off my chair .
This situation really strikes me as seperate from the issue of the sunni and al qaeda insurgency of the past. It may or may not be manageable but it seems obvious that both the government and sadr have enough motivation to prevent it from getting worse. The shiites have been pretty good about staying quiet when it serves their interests.
Lara...Lara...Lara...lay off the chicken-fried camel surprise; it doesn't agree with you.
betrayus was NEVER "successful in reducing violence"! That was always 100% the doing of the Iraqi citizens! US military presence in Iraq has always been about increasing violence. THAT'S WHAT MILITARIES DO!
bubba @ 80:
I agree. I don't think Al-sadr wants to see the country explode anymore than the millions of Iraqis who want to live in peace. If he wanted, he could have unleashed a torrent of violence months ago, or he could have continued the battles with the Iraqi army in their recent confrontation. Our government and media have portrayed him as a blood thirsty religious zealot. From my perspective, I see him as an Iraqi who wants us to get the hell out of his country. Al-sadr eschews Western culture, nothing wrong with that, after one sees how much good (snark) our western ways have done for his country.
I don't think he is behaving much differently than some religious leaders (Dobson, Hagee, Robertson) in this country might behave given the same circumstances.
He has credibility with both Sunnis and Shia. America has neither. That is probably the reason, we have not murdered him.
ysbaddaden @ 81:
LOL
[I love you Big Dick, but the ALL CAPS has got to stop-Sitemonitor]
Well..we sure have made "gains" in the body count, at least....
Did you see Logan's face when Schieffer told her to "be safe"?
That made all the difference between a real Journalist and
an old pro who has been in Nam. Great reporting.
oncall @ 84:
I didn't know Lara Logan's middle initial was O, but for what, Ophelia?
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