John McCain's Iraq speech interrupted with news of attacks on the Green Zone.
By John Amato Sunday Apr 06, 2008 3:01pm
This is like an instant replay from our March 24th post. "McCain’s Iraq victory speech interrupted by reports of violence in Iraq"
MSNBC cuts away as McCain is delivering his usual pro-war Iraq speech and as he talks about leadership---MSNBC breaks into a news report that says at least 4 mortars were shot into Baghdad's green zone.
McCAIN: Faced with the prospect of defeat, we had two fundamental choices. We could retreat from Iraq and accept the horrible consequences of our defeat. Or we could change strategies and try to turn things around. It was, I believe, a critical moment in our nation’s history, and a time of testing for our nation’s political leadership.
In the year that has passed, our nation showed its strength –
MSNBC: And speaking of Iraq, we do have breaking news out of Iraq, where at least four mortars have been fired into the heavily-fortified Green Zone today. It’s unclear at this time if there are casualties or any major damage. Now the news comes just a day after five U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq. Two, again, inside that Green Zone...read on
You see a pattern here, don't you? I wonder if the insurgents will ultimately stage a huge assault on the green zone as the Maliki/Sadr situation worsens.
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Oh that pesky truth! How dare it keep showing its head when Grampa talks!
Oh the irony . . .
Dye his hair blond, grow a goatee and call him Custer.
I don't know if there is a pattern, but the irony of this event was pretty bizarre. Here's John, the surge is working, McCain talking about the conditions in Iraq and his speech is interrupted with news that seems to prove, at least for now, that the surge is not working so very well.
McCain would interpret it this way:
My friends obviously this is no coincidence. These extremists watch our election very closely and they want a democrat elected and the US to surrender. We will never surrender on my watch and thats why extremists time their attacks in Iraq with my speeches, to make me look bad.
pissed off patricia @ 4:
Which in Bizarro world (nee, Neo-con land) means that we should continue the SURRRRRRRGE, since obviously they're not playing fair over there.
Yeah, but the Republican message has already been tailored to cover this. McCain announced last month that the insurgents would probably try to escalate violence to get the Democrats elected. So, he's (cleverly) covered both ways.
If violence goes down, he can say "I was right. The surge worked."
If violence goes up, he can say "I was right. The insurgents are escalating violence to get the Democrats elected."
Nice two step. I wish we could think of things like that sometimes.
they are that sophisticated to pull off their version of tet thru these mortar attacks. othing like having a representative say things are well in Iraq, during a mortar strike.
The surge is working: support the troops.
Is it summer rerun time already?
I guess John McCain will let General Petraeus explain all this to us. I would not want to be in Petraeus' shoes tomorrow. How the hell do you say things are better just when they aren't?
Only Bush is more fucked wrong than this psychotic geezer. Give Johnny a chance, he'll make us miss Dubyah.
7 Pericles Says: Yeah, but the Republican message has already been tailored to cover this. McCain announced last month that the insurgents would probably try to escalate violence to get the Democrats elected. So, he’s (cleverly) covered both ways.
If violence goes down, he can say “I was right. The surge worked.”
If violence goes up, he can say “I was right. The insurgents are escalating violence to get the Democrats elected.”
Nice two step. I wish we could think of things like that sometimes.
Not two-step it's...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNDHTfdn1A
{{{5 galmud Says}}}: McCain would interpret it this way:
My friends obviously this is no coincidence. These extremists watch our election very closely...
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Like most of us, they too have probably stopped watching. They are confused about why American news is all about Barack Obama bowling, and "angry black preachers", or the Clinton's tax returns. They wonder if Americans know there is a war in Iraq (and Afghanistan). They too, have concluded: No, they don't.
Heck of a surge!
*omg.... gimmee a new flack jacket, I peed all over this one!*
100 more years!
*but I've only got this weekend to shop in this market with my battallion of soldier protectors*
USA!
*what lost billions of dollars?*
USA!
*what no-bid contracts?*
USA!
*Habaeus Whatsisis?*
USA!
*what rape rooms?*
Left&Left @ 12:
He may well be worse than bush, but I gotta tell ya, I will never miss bush. In the future, assuming there is one, any time I will think of bush I will become angrier and angrier.
That's so surreal it practically seems staged. If I was writing a screenplay on the Iraq war and I thought of a scene where the president was talking about how the war is being won, only to be interrupted by news of the enemy's attack on our stronghold, I'd probably ditch the idea as too obvious and ironic.
well how could i vote for anyone else? he will obviously be such a good leader what with his war knowledge and how he can lead us to victory in iraq, and then iran and who knows where else.
great ad placement too! no intelligence with bill stein. celebrate ignorance!! woohoo!!
i want to go far away, but they will affect me there too.
JR @ 2:
Yes, isn't it sooo very Ironic?
Just as he talks the damned TRUTH has to rear it's ugly head.
If it wasn't for the fact that our young men are getting killed and maimed it could almost be a tragic comedy, but there is nothing funny about missing limbs and young men dieing.
Maybe McCain should meet with these veterans...
Veterans marched towards White House to demand the arrest of George Bush and Dick Cheney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEFvWj15las
A foreign news reporter covered it...
but not a single mention of this event went out via main stream media.
every time this dumb old man visits iraq and talks about how great things are, all hell breaks loose. suggestion: lock this dumb motherfucker in a rubber room and duct tape his fucking mouth.
{{{11 pissed off patricia Says}}}: I guess John McCain will let General Petraeus explain all this to us... How the hell do you say things are better just when they aren’t?
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Um... you bin watchin' the news?? It rolls of their tongues like butta.
More of Grandpa McSame.
This is off-topic, but I have to say it:
Roooock... Chaaaaaalk...
Jaaaaaay Haaaaaawk...
Kaaaaaaaaaaay
Yoooooooooooou.
Go Kansas!
Maybe the evil-doers get cable.
good luck k.u. i'll be watching.
Whats the problem with all you people. The war is over and we won!! Didn't you get the press release? Also, iraq is going to be paying us back for the 1000 billion$ we spent on fixing their country and making them all happy.
It's all good.
Oops. You gotta tell them lies faster McStraightTalker. You're not keeping up.
Great, he's Bagdad Bob! Wasn't that the name we gave the Iraq defense minister who was saying no bombs here then had to run from the studio? I want to see those videos again, and morph them into Lieberman, McC and GW saying "surge working" with video of Green Zone mortar fire in the background!
But all is well...the Starbucks in the Green Zone is still open!!
Their in the last throes, again.
Just a fashion note here. John McCain should not wear a baseball cap, ever! Some guys can wear them and some can't.....he can't. He looks like an old grandpa who let the grandkids dress him or something. Baseball caps with long sleeved shirts are a fashion felony.
I was having flashbacks of Baghdad Bob with that clip, actually...
Yeah you're right. It's just that no matter how bad things get, the Bush crew comes up with something worse. McCain, who increasingly appears to be at least as dangerous and stupid, is just another Republican relay runner(walker) in their race to send us all to Hell.
You see a pattern here, don’t you? I wonder if the insurgents will ultimately stage a huge assault on the green zone as the Maliki/Sadr situation worsens."
There not insurgents. We are now fighting the people we went to free from Saddam Hussein.
Sadr's people are the ones who suffered the most under Saddam.
We are now helping Maliki who has closer ties to Iran than Sadr does.
At the same time we are arming and training the Shite's.
The same people we were supposed to remove from power.
This is complete madness.
Maliki has to attack because he's going to lose the upcoming elections.
Can't wait to hear the GOP explain how Iraq will be led by President Sadr right before the Nov. Election here.
Once elected he's going to kick us out.
Get your popcorn ready.
Bringing Democracy and Big Macs to the world is hard work.
Sorry, #33 was a reply to POP@16.
True democracy cannot be achieved until the Iraqi people have the freedom to choose McDonalds OR Burger King.
He is saying that all hell might or will break loose if we leave. Maybe that is being reinforced by the news break-ins. It shows what is happening with us there so perhaps the theory is that if we leave it will get worse. On the other hand, if all hell is going to break out if we are there or if we are gone, why wait around for it to happen.
I heard on tv that people support McCain because they don't want to "lose" this war, they want to "win". Are the American people that self centered? They would rather claim a "win" and let the dying continue forever? How many deaths constitute a win?
McCain: We can retreat in defeat of stay the course with somebody else's children, not mine.
Left&Left @ 33:
Who would have ever guessed they could find a hand basket big enough to fit us all in?
Ruthless People @ 39:
One of his kids is in this war and another may be about to go.
I see helicopters evacuating the last Americans out of the Green Zone off the roof of one of Saddam's palaces.
The Dems needs to start talking about this Mad Max Inflation running rampant.
Mad Max Oil and Gas Companys
Mad Max Food Inflation
And despite a very large inventory of vacant properties throughout the US, rents continue to climb.
McCain will find a way to spin this into a victory and the MSM will go along with it no matter the facts. Greenspan just came out in support of McCain today. This coming for a supposed economic czar supporting someone who has not the smallest clue how to deal with the economy. And do watch the spin from the MSM, especially Andrea Mitchell, since she is married to Greenspan. The Villagers and the GOP all party hearty together and they are not about to turn on their own.
McCain's speeches are enabling the terrorists.
i see a pattern ! the iraqi insurgents get msnbc, too ^^ so why not time their attacks for the targeted recipients ...
We need to STOP talking and start DEMANDING.
Later
24 anncoulterisevil.com Says: Maybe the evil-doers get cable.
To watch FAUX News?
Think it is a way for MSNBC to get ratings? They have everything to gain by doing the right thing and reporting facts. Money. They are number 3 out of 3, and they have found that they make big bread with Keith, and now probably with Dan. Got rid of the idiot boy, replaced him with another idiot. But look at the guests. They are the same tired crew for many shows. Their celebrity joe was put in the morning. Is that because his audience can't stay up late?
it's about money folks. this is a big corporation that makes a lot of war toys for their real living. they don't give a shit about crushing dumb john as long as they know he can't win anyway. Do you think they expect an election in November or are just hedging their bet? Perhaps they believe they will get the good interviews if they treat what they see as the democratic scum, "nice", just in case?
MSM is going to give McCain more coverage to support his views as the election comes closer. The democratic candidates are going to be framed as surrender candidates. Yes, I do see a pattern and it is the fascists controlling the MSM.
Ron @ 50:
McCain has already said, regarding the Democratic candidate, I will never surrender. They will.
McCain: Don't believe your lying eyes, listen to me.
All the repuke horses and all the repuke men couldn't put Iraq back together again.
They are also lying about Iran. North Korea has nukes but no oil. Iran doesn't have a nuke but has lots of oil. Get the picture yet dummys?
Bottom Line: Republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.
This whole "I don't want to lose" attitude...puleeease....that's the SPIN. Do you think that right wing radio callers are random? Do you think they are not plants? Do you think the interviewees on the MSM are not plants?
Good lord, NOTHING has been learned over the last 8 years...NOTHING...about how Rovian politics works.
No wonder they make saps of us. We do it to ourselves.
"I do not believe that anyone should make promises as a candidate for president that they cannot keep if elected," McCain said, in a clear swipe at dueling Democrats Obama and Clinton.
"To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq, regardless of the calamitous consequences to the Iraqi people, our most vital interests, and the future of the Middle East, is the height of irresponsibility. It is a failure of leadership," he said.
"We must once again reject, as we did in early 2007, the calls for a reckless and irresponsible withdrawal of our forces just at the moment when they are succeeding," McCain said in a speech in Kansas.
Hey McDumbass, if 80% of us say get the hell out, then we should get the hell out. It would, after all, be a failure of leadership to ignore the demands of your electorate. So shit the fuck up and do what we the people demand ass hole...
54 fwacbar Says: “I do not believe that anyone should make promises as a candidate for president that they cannot keep if elected,” McCain said, in a clear swipe at dueling Democrats Obama and Clinton.
“To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq, regardless of the calamitous consequences to the Iraqi people, our most vital interests, and the future of the Middle East, is the height of irresponsibility. It is a failure of leadership,” he said.
“We must once again reject, as we did in early 2007, the calls for a reckless and irresponsible withdrawal of our forces just at the moment when they are succeeding,” McCain said in a speech in Kansas.
Hey McDumbass, if 80% of us say get the hell out, then we should get the hell out. It would, after all, be a failure of leadership to ignore the demands of your electorate. So shit the fuck up and do what we the people demand ass hole…
80% 0f us and 80% of the Iraqis want us out and 60% plus are unemployed over there. May be we could let them take controlover their lives.
McCAIN: Faced with the prospect of defeat, we had two fundamental choices. We could retreat from Iraq and accept the horrible consequences of our defeat. Or we could change strategies and try to turn things around.
Uh, WHAT?! Isn't that what the f*cking SURGE was?????????
How long will the Lame Stream Media fellate this guy?
Terrorists are like the dinner guests that no one seems to know who invited them.
Even worse, they eat their salad with their dessert fork, and drink out of the finger bowl.
MSNBC is the only network that would dare interrupt the Maverick.
POP @ 11: You can bet your last dollar on it. Petraeus will, tomorrow when giving
his probable "glowing report" as to Iraq, will mention more than once how al-Sadr
is willing to disband the Shiite milita
Ah, the surge!
But at the same time, will FAIL to give the facts; being that al-Sadr is agreeable
to disbaning the Army ONLY if the chief cleric(77 year old Sastina) give him the
o.k/go ahead. And we know that Sastina is NOT going to rule or give his o.k. to
this, so it's just more political/religious games being played and the U.S. is the
sucker, sitting by as witness and will swallow anything said which "appears" to
show that progress is being made.
Oops. Plenty of domestic MSM coverage of 5-year Iraq anniversary protests.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=%225+year+anniversary%...
The only way to "win" a war with Iraq is to completely obliterate the country and it's people, until then, every last man, woman and child in that country will fight against the illegal and unjust invasion and occupation of their country. And America looks weak and foolish.
Meanwhile, we've got Middle Eastern corporations building solar power generating plants in America. Go Figure.
Maybe that's what the U.S. should be doing with those trillions of dollars instead of turning dollars into bombs?
When Green Turns Red
"I am so glad the surge is working;" we need to be winning this war because for the first time, the Iraqis are fighting for themselves. Well almost for themselves. They are getting killer, self perpetuating support from the US guys in the sky with all their smart bombs.
The US air support is just enough to turn the Green Zone red with innocent blood. In the past and now, as sure as I am noting this comment, the over used claim about the usefulness of US air strikes is sending a misguided picture of success in Iraq. I suppose the reason they use the term "collateral damage" was to silence the horrible side effect of our most cherished weapon: Those wonderful smart ass bombs. They not only hit their target, but they hit everything around it, including innocent human beings we call "collateral damage."
You cannot use this kind of firepower in a place like Iraq; the civilian population is too ingrained into the landscape. Every time the word victory is being used, I wonder at what cost. I look forward to the day when we take on our actions with maturity and honesty. Who we are as a nation is reflective of our actions in Iraq. The rest of the world may not be in the kind of denial this nation is in. Many nations around the word see our actions for what they truly are: Wrong.
Joseph
The occupation of Iraq hasn't made any progress in five years.
Wake up America, the republicans are liars. They lied every step of the way and now you want to believe these assholes? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you also.
McCain: "The damn war keeps gettin' in the way of the damn war".
We don't go to the war we have. we go to war with the one we want.
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We go to war with the one we want, not the war we have
wait
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We go to war with the war we want war that we have ?
wait
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McCain looks really awful, like he's aged 100 years in 5 years!
If the election grind doesn't kill him, then I can't see him lasting too long if elected president, ala Pres. William Henry Harrison who died a month into office.
I guess the Rethugs will want young blood in the VP slot...that person will be the one to keep tabs on.
Maybe they should hold the VFW rallies and gala dinners inside the Green Zone...maybe McCain will prattle on and expound about 'leadership' while the mortar rounds hit all around.....yeah, right!
Is it the Badr Shi'ites fighting the Sadr Shi'ites versus the Sunni extremists vs. the al qaida in Iraq dudes? If only Gramps McCain could 'splain thangs.
This war has more fronts than the weather channel.
Albatross @ 42:
I hope the green zone has good seismic ground sensors, any student of WW1 would be a bit twitchy bottled up in the Green Zone.
would not surprise me in the slightest if the Insurgents weren't digging tunnels and setting up big demo charges under the buildings in the green zone.
That this speech took place here in the city I have spent the last 55 years of my life is just too price for words to see MSNBC do their breaking news break in on the speech. Later in the morning the Senator showed up for a fundraiser here:
http://www.kansascityclub.org/login/login.cfm?clubid=12154
which is right across the street from the staff entrance to where I work.
kablooie @ 69:
that name just about fits the whole situation.
Listen, I'm sorry those folks in the green zone are under fire, but damn, ya gotta give al Sadr credit for great timing. I can just see him how, tuning in his satellite dish:
"Hey, guys line up four tubes...waitaminute...OK, McCain's on, drop 'em and sock 'em"
Reminds me of the good old days in the Mekong Delta when we sat outside the sangbag shelters and made bets on Charlie's aim on the ammo bunker and enjoyed the fireworks show when he finally hit it!
this is TOO perfect!!!!
I dunno, it seems to me they've been timing their mortar attacks pretty well, They obviously don't want McCain to get elected.
Their only hope is for a Dem to get elected, to bring peace and stability to that country. But it's gonna cost us(and rightfully so)
peaceful easy feeling @ 62:
Oops, what? Point? Not enough coverage.
McCain: "(We had) two choices: We could retreat from Iraq and accept the horrible consequences of our defeat, or we could change strategies and try to turn things around."
Translation: "We had two choices (if you don't count the recommendations of the Baker/Hamilton Iraq Study Group): We could withdraw now, retreat from Iraq and accept the possibly horrible consequences now, or we could escalate, try to kill anything that obstructs our efforts, and eventually retreat and accept the possibly horrible consequences later."
McCain never learned the lessons of Vietnam, and you can bet that if elected he will maintain our worthless strategy and kick this can down the road to the next president to do what is necessary and withdraw.
And that was just confirmation for him as to how accurate his information is....not.
I wonder if the Mahdi army in Sadr city know where the water pumps and electric generators are located. They would cause more damage and more misery to
green zone occupants if they target the supporting infrastructure rather
than the living quarters.
The green zone has its own air conditioning, water supply and electricity while
Baghdad don't have these amenities.
As former secretary of defense donalds rumsfeld said that (paraphrased) -
American (and Iraqi) deaths and casualties are just a number. Anyway,
Americans and the American elite care only about the 4,000 American
deaths in Iraq but don't give a shit about the over 1 million Iraqi
deaths (US says it doesn't even could them).
Oops, those were supposed to land in Iran...
Why does John McPain go on foisting myth on the media and those gathered at his silly speeches? He continues to assert that it was the Shiite cleric, al-Sadr, who called the Basra ceasefire, when, clearly, it was al-Maliki who sought it. Why does he go on perpetuating the lie that three of, what, sixteen benchmarks constitute "significant progress" in achieving a political solution to the Iraq fiasco? Why does he consistently, day by day, drone away in that tired old GOP-dogmatized voice about fighting al Qaeda in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here? He's being called a war monger. Well, guess what, he is.
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FOUR MORE $URGE$!
FOUR MORE $URGE$!
...er...
FOR MORE WAR$!
FOR MORE WAR$!
...er...
FOUR MORE THOU$AND!
FOUR MORE THOU$AND!
...er...
... stay the course?
THERE'$ A KILLING TO BE HAD AT MAKING WAR$!
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irony is so ironic
McCain ought to watch the Doug Fieth clip.
But you know, maybe Bush was on to something.
Instead of bringing democracy at the barrel of a gun.
We should bring democracy by means of torture inquisitions.
kablooie @ 69:
And McCain, the War Talk Express, his war plan has more spin and distortion than FOX News.
I don't see how he plans to achieve victory without bringing back the draft.
That should be our goal; to get him to say on camera that he'd bring back the draft.
It would cripple his candidacy- he'd be the draft candidate.
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Would like to see similar breaking news stories about the war, about the economy, about healthcare, about the rape of the Constitution everytime one of these neocon douchebags starts feeding the country more of their lies and manipulations.
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