Rep. Monique Davis to atheist Rob Sherman: `It's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!'
By John Amato Sunday Apr 06, 2008 9:00pmYes, this stuff still goes on....
Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) interrupted atheist activist Rob Sherman during his testimony Wednesday afternoon before the House State Government Administration Committee in Springfield and told him, "What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous . . . it's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!
"This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God," Davis said. "Get out of that seat . . . You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon."
Apparently it's still open season on some views of God.
Outside of Change of Subject, where I posted a transcript and the audio, Davis' repellent, un-American outburst received no attention whatsoever. (h/t Michael)
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She must be one of dem "Reagan Democrats."
religion is a scourge upon humanity...
Wow, that woman is nuts.
What exactly does an atheist destroy when they state that they believe there is no big guy up in the sky?
The illusion that there IS a god? I love it how she uses the word "spew" about atheism. But, listen to any bible thumper out there and you're supposed to be listening to the word of God, not "spew".
Did she flunk 9th grade civics?
Say it ain't so! Christian Talibaptist nutbags in the Democratic party?
Rants like this prove how dangerous and divisive religion is, and Davis is a Dumbocrat!
George Carlin is right about many things---he says there should be an eleventh commandment: "thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself!"
Met a lady today that said that she had to hide the fact that she was a Democrat in her church. What is the world coming to? We are turning into the old Soviet Union.
I expect this. right and wrong is arbitrary.
It's much better for our children to believe they can pray a problem away.
Rep. Davis is a primitive ape.
She has no idea that it is RELIGION that destroys, not atheism. Only RELIGION seeks to destroy the mind's capability of reasoning and learning about the universe. Religion is so naive, so childish, so incredibly illogical. She is an idiot that does not deserve to be in leadership.
She should read Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Victor Stenger, Sam Harris, Charles Darwin, and all the naturalist philosophers from the 19th century like David Hume, David Ricardo, and John Stuart Mill.
miss_kitty Hussein @ 6:
AGGHHhhh! RUN aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........................thud.
Why does Rep. Monique Davis hate the Treaty of Tripoli? And the US Constitution? And Americas Founding Fathers? What a sick hateful woman.
Drew @ 11:
Her head would 'splode.
She needs to be thrown out of office next election. Just imagine if someone had spoken with such disrespect and verbal abuse toward someone in regard to their faith or race! The outrage on this should be just as great. I'm losing all hope that the people of this nation will ever grow up and mature.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qW6sRUuVVSY
“This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God,” Davis said.
Lincoln was an atheist for most or all of his life, even writing an essay denying the divinity of the scriptures.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p319_Dickson.html
I live here in the "Land of Lincoln" and trust me, that crazy bitch is an absolute embarrassment to my state and to Chicago, my hometown.
Our children have been raised non-religiously (not necessarily atheist).
So far, none of them has found the need for religion...
The state was also built upon transportation using horses. That doesn't mean that nobody is going to drive a car! Times change.
Religion has done more to kill than anything else on Earth. Screw it, and screw this "democrat."
This should be a reminder that there are bigots and narrow-minded individuals in both of the major political parties of this country.
It really would be best if religion was kept where it belonged - in the privacy of one's mind or the privacy of one's church, and OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT.
I don't begrudge anyone having a religion - any religion. What I despise to my core is when one of the religious tries to impugn my beliefs as being less than theirs. MYOFB Ms. Davis.
I'm Sorry but as a lifelong Democrat we need to purge these people from our party. They are sounding more like the "Right wing repugs" that we all detest. There is definitely a place in the Constitution for separation of church and State.
If she's that all het up about religion, she oughta move to that compound in Texas that just got raided. Lotsa religion for kids there.
if you want to go with her "dangerous ideas" theory, then
she needs to be removed from office, it's dangerous that
anyone should find out that a woman is in any governoring
body. women should find their place at home under their
husbands foot. now before anyone slams me, this was
just pushing the envelop and and not the way i think.
i am glad we are supposed to be a society of open and
fairminded thinkers, but some, m. davis, would squelch all
knowledge except their own versions of hypocracy.
It was "built upon" those like Capone and Mayor Daley , you empty-headed bim ; they supposedly believed in "God" too , you moron............
Religious nutjobism. This is always troubling when coming from any branch of government, maybe her fellow legislators in Springfield can remind her of the seperation of church and state
Let me guess, she was for that most Christian of wars; Iraq. We believe in something. She is a fricken nut bag! Oh please tell about the new system where lions will give up meat denouncing the sole predatory purpose of their teeth and claws. Where they will eat grass and cuddle with your children! No one will get sick and everyone will sit around and wuv each other free of temptation and sin.
Idiots
Jack @ 15:
at the rate this country is dumbing-down, Americans will only grow
old,maybe, but never mature. that requires you are educated and
most Americans can't find their own state on a map or their country
on a world globe. in fact, some don't understand the earth is round.
So, to which church did Lincoln belong?
Waiting...waiting...
Oh, shit. That's right.
None.
Well, technically, she is correct. It IS dangerous because children thinking about other views & value structures means they won't depend on power hungry politicians & dogmatic religious leaders to tell them the answers. It's dangerous to her and her ilk.
Mrs. Davis, what is the second largest religious group in the United States? That would be Nonreligious/Secular with over 13% of the population as of 2000 (and growing rapidly).
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions
Check your religion at the door and perform your job with an open mind. Judge not.............
Dear Monique Davis,
You are a frightening dope.
Thanks to Rep. Monique Davis of reminding everyone that idiocy and ignorance isn't relegated to the GOP and/or "Blue Dog" Dems , alone .............
You fucking moron.
Hey Monique Davis (no relation), maybe you should say this Amen to Atheists
There are not words to express how offensive these comments by Rep. Davis are. I am in the Chicago Area and I - personally - do not forgive her for her remarkably ignorant, prejudiced AND bigoted comments.
No intelligent person would say such things.
I really, really hope she is made to eat those words. If we're lucky she'll choke on them.
*
I call upon the Flying Spaghetti Monster to bring her out of the darkness into the Pax Pasta. May the virgin Penne and the Noodly One's only begotten son Alfredo bless her heart.
Juan @ 19:
It isn't religion that has done the killing. It's fear of death. In the past, religion was the cover most people used so they didn't have to face that fear and grapple with it in their own hearts and souls (if you believe in the soul); they used religion to allow themselves to believe they KNEW what was coming and so didn't need to be afraid. But deep down they knew that they didn't really know, so they couldn't tolerate anyone being different because it reminded them that they didn't really know. So they used their religion to justify killing those who were different in order to keep from having their doubts and fears re-ignited. Nowadays, in America, it's America Rah Rah and corporatism that do most of the work that religion used to do; the great majority of the killing sponsored by America (and Europe) in the last 150 years is in the name of nationalism and corporate profit, which really are just ways of avoiding dealing with one's own death. So it's not religion, per se, that's the problem. It's people's refusal to grapple with their fears of their own impending deaths; whatever they use to mask that fear is what they use to justify killing.
"All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher." - Titus Lucretius (94 BC - 49 BC)
John Kiel @ 7:
Actually, he reduces the 10 commandments down to 2 and then he adds the 3rd which is the one you quoted above. Seriously, how many wars have been started by atheists?
And it's not dangerous to believe women came form a man's rib.
How stupid is she.
"Land of Lincoln" huh? Well, last time I checked he was born in the Bluegrass state. Why don't you guys change to "The Meat Packing State"? Or "The Speakeasy, Deep Dish Pizza State"?
Could somebody tell me what is she basing this Lincoln equal atheism is bad crap on?
miss_kitty Hussein @ 6:
So it would seem.
How did anyone this stupid get elected to anything?
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She is wrong to spew but the following is why she vents.
They say that heaven is 10 zillion light years away
And just the pure at heart will walk her righteous streets someday
They say that heaven is 10 zillion light years away
But if there is a God, we need Him now
"Where is your God"
That's what my friends ask me
And I say it's taken Him so long
'Cause we've got so far to come...
Tell me people
Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away
Why can't the light of good shine God's love in every soul
Why must my color black make me a lesser man
I thought this world was made for every man
He loves us all, that's what my God tells me
And I say it's taken Him so long
'Cause we've got so far to come...
But in my heart I can feel it, yeah,
Feel His spirit wow oh woo...
Feel it, yeah, feel His spirit...
I... can't say that heaven is 10 zillion light years away
But if so let all be pure at heart
Just to walk her righteous streets I pray
Let God's love shine within to save our evil souls
For those who don't believe will never see the light
"Where is my God" - He lives inside of me
And I say it's taken Him so long
'Cause we've got so far to come...
No people, "where is your God?"
Inside please let Him be
And I say it's taken Him so long
'Cause we've got so far to come...
But if you open your heart you can feel it yeah yeah
Feel His spirit, yeah
Feel it, feel His spirit, wow oh wow...
Feel it, you can feel His spirit
I opened my heart one morning and
I sho nuff could feel it yeah yeah
Feel His spirit yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
You can feel it, yeah, feel His spirit
You can feel it, yeah, feel His spirit
Drew @ 11:
Sorry, I am as agnostic as they come, but I would never ever put an alcoholic dolt like Hitchens in the same league as Dawkins, or Darwin for example.
Ironically, Darwin was the son of a minister and was a fairly devout person. His observations were of the scientific nature, he never made an observation regarding the existence or lack of divinity. He just observed how the fittest organisms get to thrive and pass their genes along, which is fairly fucking obvious nowadays. Although it seems that humans have managed to screw with nature by allowing the dolts to multiply early and often...
Left&Left @ 17:
I agree in Chicago
Trittydi @ 41:
Plenty of morons in this country seem to be able to do 3 things proficiently: 1) Eat, 2) Fuck, and 3) Vote...
Trittydi @ 41:
The votes aren't counted . . . everything is for sale . . . our last governor is serving 8 years in the Federal Pen . . . our current Gov may join him.
The public might notice if they performed on American Idol
miss_kitty Hussein @ 14:
It would be like a balloon popping.
Peter G @ 35:
And after that, we can all drink tea from the orbiting teapot between Mars and Jupiter.
This is just weird! What the hell! Is this woman deranged. America is the land of freedom. Or it used to be. Whoever voted for this nut ball should be scratching their heads. Or get her to the Psche Ward!
I think we need another party. One that at least has feelings.
Hussein in a Handbasket @ 40:
His formative years were in the Land of Lincoln. I was born in Texas but I aint no Texan
According to this list of Illinois committees, Rep. Davis' e-mail is mdavis@hdsmail.state.il.us
According to Project Vote Smart, Ms. Davis' personal e-mail address is mdavis2147@aol.com
Let her know what you think... I did!
MCMetal @ 32:
This is a good thing. It shows that progressives protect the rights of the individual no matter what.
Holy Crap!
WTF?
Jeezus Christ!
You maniacs! You blew it up! Goddamn you!!
Goddamn you all to hell!!!!
Oh, and her views on Lincoln are simply a reflection of her ignorance, many idiots like to say the country was founded on Christianity, too, when clearly it was founded to keep religion out of government and its citizens free to worship, with no retribution, whoever they wanted or didnt want to.
This saddens me more than anything else, because it suggests that humanity naturally wants to define an in-crowd and an out-crowd, and can be completely immoral to the out-crowd, in the name of morality.
Estomago @ 54:
The in memoriam thread was yesterday
:D
I sent the Ms Davis the following:
You said, and I quote:
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Davis: I don’t know what you have against God, but some of us don’t
have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings. And
it’s really a tragedy — it’s tragic — when a person who is engaged in
anything related to God, they want to fight. They want to fight prayer
in school.
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There's this interesting part of the Constitution of the United States
which you have sworn an oath to uphold and protect: the separation of
church and state. It seems you're not completely clued in to what that
entails.
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I don’t see you (Sherman) fighting guns in school. You know?
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That is a non-sequitor, a red herring.
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I’m trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in
the state of Illinois. This is the Land of Lincoln. This is the Land of
Lincoln where people believe in God, where people believe in protecting
their children.… What you have to spew and spread is extremely
dangerous, it’s dangerous–
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What does a belief in God have to do with protecting children? It seems
Abraham believed in God and was quite willing to kill his own son. I
don't know of any atheist who would voluntarily do such a thing.
To such hysterical nonsense on your part, Mr Sherman asked:
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Sherman: What’s dangerous, ma’am?
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And you replied:
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Davis: It’s dangerous to the progression of this state. And it’s
dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!
Now you will go to court to fight kids to have the opportunity to be
quiet for a minute. But damn if you’ll go to [court] to fight for them
to keep guns out of their hands. I am fed up! Get out of that seat!
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I would have you know that the Taliban say much the same thing, and
we're at war with them. You also burden it with non sequitors about
moments of silence, etc.
you continued in similar fashion:
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Davis: You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You
believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was
built upon.
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You are completely incorrect. The State of Illinois was not founded on
religion. It was founded on the murder of the native Americans who
lived there to be replaced by the invasive descendants and immigrants
from Europe and their economic interests.
Your position is ignorant, cruel, and genuinely stupid. I believe you
owe Mr Sherman an apology, and you should resign your position
immediately. Or, do what other religious zealots have done: join the
Party supported by the likes of other religious crazies like Jerry
Falwell and Pat Robertson: join the Republican Party. Because right
now, you are an embarrassment to the Democratic Party which prides
itself on tolerance and unpopular opinions based in reason.
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I don't understand how Christians think they're being reasonable, when they believe in a Jewish Zombie who was his own father and had himself tortured and murdered in order to expiate the misbehaviour of all humans as they are descended from a naked Rib Woman who was conned by a talking snake into eating an apple from a magic tree. Yeah. Makes perfect sense to me...
Terrible @ 13:
Unfortunately, she probably knows nothing about them. Our reps should have to know the constitution and the history of our country in order to be reps, for goodness' sake.
Tyler Durden @ 43:
Dawkins turns me off to many of his discussions--ones in which I completely agree with him. I see him as a dick. But that's beside the point.
Didn't Darwin say something about regretting it on his deathbed? Or is that urban legend?
This outburst reminds me of that seen from The Majestic when Jim Carrey is in the court at the end...
I don't think that, in my lifetime (and I'm only in my 20's) we'll get to a point where the majority of Americans don't agree with her.
Rep. Davis, your Sharia is showing.
DrBadger @ 61:
I dunno, our generation seems pretty down with the science thing.
Here's my letter to Rep. Davis.
Dear Rep. Davis,
As an atheist and one of 800 members of the 150-year-old First Universalist Church in Minneapolis, I am sorry to learn that you are so frightened of atheism that you would subject your official business to
such an embarrassing outburst as was reported in the Chicago Tribune.
If there is anything that I can tell you about atheism to relieve your anxiety, please let me know. I'll warn you, I'm not a "chip-on-the-shoulder" atheist, nor am I particularly well read on the subject. I'm just a businessman and father who came at his atheism quite naturally at about the age of 15 during my Catholic catechism classes. I like to say, "God made me an atheist."
My children are being raised as Unitarian-Universalists and are receiving an excellent education in comparative religion, so that they will be able to understand their own beliefs. So far knowing that their
father is an atheist has not done them any obvious harm.
Best Regards...
Jean-Paul Sartre, famous French philosopher and fighter of the Free French against the Nazis, was dangerous?
Albert Camus, famous French philosopher and journalist supportive of the Resistance, was dangerous?
Right...
It's funny how these stupid religous freaks are always trying to pass off their bullshit off on normal people.
Tyler Durden @ 43:
Dawkins and Hitchens respect each other, they are friends, so I would put them in the same league. Yes, Hitchens is an alcoholic, but so were many famous intelligent people throughout history. I admire Hitchens because he can debate with the best of them. I would like to some day be able to have a conversation with anyone and hold my own, no matter what the topic. It's possible.
Also, Darwin's theory is an alternative to a divine creator, it is not complementary to one. If living entities evolve according to natural selection, this is another way of saying that there is no supernatural force that determines the nature of life.
There is a reason why Darwin, in his day, was considered by the church to be a heretic.
Did anyone catch that she's a member of the United Church of Christ?
Says so on her Wikapedia page, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_D._Davis
Wonder if she belongs to the Trinity congregation?
Has Rep Davis considered joining The View?
odanny @ 51:
And, you know, he repesented Illinois in Congress.
Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 60:
Yes, I at first also got that impression from Dawkins. But the more I listen to him, the more I realize his love of science and the universe. I think many years of rejecting the mainstream has perhaps put a chip on his shoulder, which may turn off some people, but he doesn't attack people personally. He attacks ideas. For that, his attitude is not so bad.
And that story about Darwin on his deathbed....yes as far as I know, it is an urban legend, probably started by the church. But for me it doesn't even matter, because what he wrote still stands. If I wrote the solution to TOE (The theory of Everything), and I later on recanted, it still doesn't disprove my original theory. If what is discovered is true or not, then it doesn't matter if the discoverer changes his mind. If I discovered 2+2=4, no amount of recanting can change the truth of the proposition.
Peter G @ 35:
I can only say to you Rigatonni Ranchers the same thing I say to the Ring Kissers, the Knee Benders, the Moses Lovers, and the other SaviourHolics:
Here's the deal - Don't share tales of your personal salvation with me and I won't share tales of my personal venerial wart infection with you. Deal?
This has made zero waves in Chicago and I'm kind of surprised about that. Rob Sherman is a press magnet and has been going on like 20 years, for, among other things asking that the word God be removed from village seals, smacking his teenage son and having a daughter who has opposed the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in local high schools.
Tons of kids want to grow up to be activist atheists now throughout the Northwest Suburbs now because the Shermans are "the bomb." There's more of these kids than emo kids ... Nah just kidding.
P.
She's divorced too.
Seems rather unholy of her.
Bush Bites @ 68:
Wow, That woman truly is nuts
I already wrote this bigot a letter... which I will summarize here more simply as-
"Fuck you hypocrite."
Bush Bites @ 74:
Well, there goes another Commandment...
Left&Left @ 17:
I live in Itasca, just west of O'Hare and she doesn't speak for me and she is an embarrassment to our state. I'm an agnostic and pretty soon-if these people keep this up I'm going to become an atheist.
People who simultaneously believe an omnipotent and omnipresent being is on their side for all eternity while simultaneously fearing to let people say certain words really, really, really, really get me depressed for hope of the advancement of human beings.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Treaty of Tripoli
Bush Bites @ 70:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Early_life
Kentucky 1809-1816 then Indiana, he didn't move to Illinois until 1830 when he was 21. What do you mean by formative years?
Black christians are taking over the democratic party. If youre a white liberal atheist, youre to sit down and shut up. Those are the new Obama rules.
Otay @ 59:
They should be made to sit and take the same test immigrants are given when they are applying for citizenship. I'd bet my next month's mortgage payment that Davis (indeed, most of our "elected leaders") would never pass.
Sorry, 22 years old.
Jonesy @ 82:
Take off the tin foil hat before it starts to chafe.
Drew @ 71:
Yeah, I guess I can see that.
Yeah, wasn't disagreeing or anything.
And couldn't you please?
He's an asshat too
Crazy Mary Todd, also from Kentucky.
ignorant fool. lincoln would not ban the idea of atheism
That woman is in dire need of a Motley Crue concert. It might just get the bug out of her ass and the shit out of her brains.
This is great! Now they are throwing at Atheists what we Gay people have had to deal with for a very long time. But, nobody cared when it was us.
Monique Davis - pushing the envelope of batshit crazy. Shit, just when I thought the couldn't find anybody crazier that Jean Schmidt - I mean, wow!
bigirv @ 77:
The same old "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy.
Just when we DON'T need a religious fanatic on our side...
Dubya talks to "God" all the time. If he isn't dangerous, I don''t know what is!
Let me guess, Monique Davis is one of those "born again" types, isn't she? You know, the kind who drank, drugged, and screwed until every last functioning brain cell was destroyed. Now, she's found Jesus, and like all hypocritical, burnt out, born again freaks, she now believes she fit to sit in judgement of everybody else. Fuck her! Fuck her six days a week and twice on Sunday!
Drew @ 67:
Could it also be a way of saying that there is simply no sustaining, interfering force?
That and the Church was full of crazy mfers :)
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 96:
Wow! You make it sound great. Where do I sign up?
I hope this does not portend a Democratic Party implosion on the way to the elections. She appears to be another Boyda. and why does she wait until now to have the meltdown?
I wrote something about it here if you're interested:
http://crashburnalley.com/?p=111
I used a couple tidbits of info I read in the comments above.
JM @ 95:
The scary thing about Duhbya is that he honestly believes God talks back. How does that saying go? If you talk to God it's called praying, but if God talks back it schizophrenia.
By the way, here's her contact information:
Springfield Office:
241-E Stratton Office Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-0010
(217) 782-1795 FAX
District Office:
1234 West 95th Street
Chicago, IL 60643
(773) 445-9700
(773) 445-5755 FAX
Cook County
Hussein in a Handbasket @ 98:
Put down the keyboard, and step away from the computer - NOW!! :-)
Jonesy @ 82:
Are you attempting to compete with Rep. Davis for "Ignorant Tool of the Week"? Because you are doing an admirable job of it.
BTW, I went ahead and put your name and comments in all bold letters, so you can point them out to all your friends and family members. I'm sure they will be very proud.
I read this a few days ago. I think it was on "God is for Suckers".
Disturbing to say the least.
Jonesy @ 82:
Hey everybody!! Mark Penn is guest posting!!!
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 103:
Why twice on Sunday? How about twice every weekday, and before breakfast, lunch and dinner on the weekends.
There is no god, next question ...
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 106:
Then he forgot to mention the rule where everyone wears traditional African robes.
The scaaaaaandaaaal.
Hussein in a Handbasket @ 107:
Whoa, now hold on there! Ok, how about twice every alternate weekday, after breakfast, lunch, and dinner on weekends?? :-)
Hussein in a Handbasket @ 107:
NO SEX on the Sabbath!!!
Lolz
Jonesy @ 82:
stop it. Boo.
My E-Mail do rep Davis:
Dear Rep. Davis,
I've attached a copy of some papers that relate directly to the performance of your duties as an elected official. It is clear to me that reading these documents would benefit you enormously. When you do read them, I would like to call your attention specifically to an item on page 13 under the heading "AMENDMENT 1".
If you do not have software for viewing this file, you may download it for free at
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
Thank you, and best wishes...
(attachment: US_Constitution.pdf)
what a loud mouth, moralistic bitch
i'd have put my pimp hand down on her if she got that loud with me
What an evil-minded woman.
Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 97:
"Could it also be a way of saying that there is simply no sustaining, interfering force?"
Yes, it could mean that. But this type of non-participating force is not in any theist religion such as Catholicism, Judaism, or Islam, which means a good chunk of the world's religions are disproved (as they are written). Perhaps it is in a deist religion, such as what Spinoza or Einstein believed in.
Check this out, let me know what you think.
Human action implies an uneasiness, or a non-satisfactory state of affairs, which means we only act if we want to make things better for ourselves. If we were completely happy, we would not act.
If we take this logic and apply it to an omniscient and omnipotent being (which is what people say God is), then if that being who acts, they are necessarily unhappy with the state of affairs, which means the being is not omnipotent. If they were omnipotent, they would have made the state of affairs perfect on the first try.
Thus if God exists, and that God acts and intefers with things, then this implies they were not happy with the state of affairs, meaning they were not omnipotent, contradicting our original proposition.
Thus a participating omnipotent God is not possible.
I've said it before...
You can never argue with a Christian. They are always right, bless their hearts.
YourMom @ 117:
I once saw this comedian on a comedy show, pretty funny...he said, religious people can say anything they want and not get into trouble, so long as they say "bless their hearts" at the end of it.
Try it:
"Those kids are the most vile, disgusting, worthless brats in the world!........bless their hearts!"
George Bush is just a well meaning guy, bless his heart
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Blasphemy has done more good for humanity than god ever has.
YourMom @ 119:
Those war victim Iraqi women and children don't deserve to live......bless their hearts.
Yes, that was incredibly offensive. But I learned it from Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell.
I agree that what Mr. Sherman represents to her is threatening to her way of thinking, but most certainly not dangerous to children. What is dangerous to children is parents who pray for healing instead of seeking medical care.
this nation IS in deep trouble...
Representative Davis provides a cautionary note for anyone who would like to live in a free and open society.
Religion -- especially fundamentalism -- is totalitarian in nature. Because its believers already possess the "truth," religion is incompatible with a society in which differences of opinion exist and citizens are to have the right to voice those opinions.
Of course, Rep. Davis has no proof for the existence of her "God." Unless one considers the Bible, a book filled with hate, intolerance, genocide (committed by her deity), ignorance, and countless non-inerrant inconsistencies, evidence. I consider the Bible evidence that human beings with various agendas cobbled together a work of fact, fiction, and complete fantasy to further their causes.
Representative Davis does not owe anyone an apology. How can someone as ignorant as she is be expected to sincerely regret spewing such vile nonsense? However, she owes the US Constitution her resignation.
All y'all godless folk don't understand, it was a bunch of biological scientists who were praising Darwin as they crashed those planes in the Twin Towers in the name of science. That's why you folk are so dangerous. Need I tell you about the ongoing conflict in Iraq where followers of Gould's theory of punctuated equillibrium are fighting against followers of Darwinian's theory of gradual evolution through natural selection? I rest my case.
Ah, the greatest human paradox . . .
" (That) we, as humans, judge ourselves as being 'intelligent' . . . in the face of absolutely no evidential opposition. " - j raymond
As a Christian, I have to say that it is NOT dangerous to know other philosophies exist. And bringing "our children" in on that is just manic.
LibertyLover @ 8:
I have this problem as well; not so much that I hid the fact, but the fact that my faith was questioned for not believing that Bill Clinton was evil incarnate and that W was God's perfect leader for America.
I wish people could differentiate between their religion and their politics.
Cherry Pickins @ 4:
man your fucking up chrismass for the jesus freaks!
Some of you guys have got it all wrong. These religious lambs realize they are stuck. They've heard "heaven" is just god awful boring after all (pun intended). They are simply trying to get new recruits!!! As I see it, you've got 2 choices: 1) Die and go to heaven and deal with these creepy people that insist you better not pout, you better not cry... oops, wrong fable... live with creepy people and hear the same ol' blather for all eternity (nothing to do, talk about hell!!!), or 2) Die and hope you go somewhere (or nowhere), just as long as you aren't in the same room as these wackos. As AC/DC proclaimed- Hell Ain't a Bad Place To Be.
Sorry about this. Started rambling and couldn't stop.
And of course, her background is in educational administration.
http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=909
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I find it interesting how individuals like this who publicly announce the depth of their faith seem the most incapable of handling alternate views of the world. If she thinks Christianity is so weak that it cannot stand if it has to compete with other world views, then she does not have that much faith in the power of her religion.
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Much has been said about Martin Luther King Jr. and the anniversary of his assassination in the news lately. I know nothing infuriates me more when I hear white conservatives pretend to be an admirer of Dr. King simultaneously supporting things he was vehemently against.
I just wonder what he would have to say about this recent resurgence of atheism in the cultural zeitgeist.
I think she secretly knows her faith in her beliefs is weak, and she is lashing out.
All those years of Bible study down the crapper. What a waste.
Zachriel @ 16:
Facts don't get in the way of superstitious, reactionary, religious nuts.
Won't somebody please think of the children!
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Maybe she's confusing Abraham Lincoln with Abraham from the Bible.
Like this:
“This is the Land of Abraham where people believe in God!”
Hmmmmm....
Was H.L. Mencken, famous turn-of-the-century journalist and muckraker, dangerous?
Was Arthur Schopnenhauer, 19th-century German philosopher, dangerous?
Wow, what a sloppy piece of work. How did she get elected? Or, for that matter, which of her constituents is she representing, exactly? The cross-eyed ones whose parents were close cousins?
On religion George Carlin says it best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
Hussein in a Handbasket @ 81:
He was elected captain of an Illinois militia company drawn from New Salem during the Black Hawk War, and later wrote that he had not had "any such success in life which gave him so much satisfaction."[8]
For several months, Lincoln ran a small store in New Salem.
In 1834, he won election to the state legislature, and, after coming across the Commentaries on the Laws of England, began to teach himself law. Admitted to the bar in 1837, he moved to Springfield, Illinois, that same year and began to practice law with John T. Stuart. With a reputation as a formidable adversary during cross-examinations and in his closing arguments, Lincoln became one of the most respected and successful lawyers in Illinois and grew steadily more prosperous.[citation needed]
He served four successive terms in the Illinois House of Representatives as a representative from Sangamon County, and became a leader of the Illinois Whig party. In 1837, he made his first protest against slavery in the Illinois House, stating that the institution was "founded on both injustice and bad policy."[9] It was also in this same year that Lincoln met Joshua Fry Speed, who would become his most intimate friend.
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Personally I think she has it backwards. I heard an ad recently (on Air America of all all places) for "Expelled". It was talking about "BIG Science" as if it were a for profit organization like "BIG Oil". The war on science has begun.
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She hates him for his freedom of religion.
odanny @ 144:
Hey, I've lived in Japan since I was 19, just like Lincoln lived in Illinois since he was 21. Is Japan the land of me?
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