"Senator McCain vs. Nomination McCain": Sen. Kerry Dismantles the McCain Myth
By SilentPatriot Sunday Apr 06, 2008 5:02pm
Bursting his way through Chris Wallace's McCain man-crush bubble, John Kerry yesterday systematically dismantled the persistent myths surrounding the media's Patron Saint. From his numerous Iraq "gaffes" to his laundy list of other flip flops, Senator Kerry has no trouble pointing out all the things the brain dead press fails to refuses to.
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John McCain has been wrong. He said that he said it would be long and tough in Iraq. In fact, in '03, John McCain said the war would be brief and the oil would pay for it. He was wrong. Last month he said that Muqtada al-Sadr was losing his influence. He was wrong. In January he said Basra is not a problem. He was wrong.
I think John McCain has taken positions in the course of trying to win the Republican nomination, whether it's the reversal and flip-flop on the intolerance with respect to Jerry Falwell and others, or whether it is the Bush tax cuts flip-flop, or whether it is this flip-flop now on the issue of Iraq, or whether it is, you know, global climate change, where he has not yet signed on to Joe Lieberman and John Warner's bill.
There is a clear indication of a Nomination John McCain versus the Senator John McCain.
Nicole alerted me to this comprehensive list of McCain Myth's, compiled by MoveOn, titled:
10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):
1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.
2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."
3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.
4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."
5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.
6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.
7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."
8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.
9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."
10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.
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It is a good time for Kerry to campaign effectively against the presumptive Republican (choke) nominee.
Wrong way McCain, or whatever his name is.
'bout time. we need more folks out there on the talk shows saying this kind of stuff. not that it will help, but it couldn't hurt.
Yeah, like the average American is going to listen to John Kerry. Seriously, the guy lost 2004. The election should have been Bush running 10% in the polls to Kerry's 90%, and that should have been the electoral margin. It never should have been neck and neck, and we can thank that man's dubious campaign skills for the last four years of shit on a platter.
He's right, but he f'ed up so bad, I don't think the average American will listen.
I don't care what he says. Please keep him away from the election. He has the stink of failure on him.
I guess Kerry is an expert on John McCain. After all, didn't he want Saint John to run as his VP?
After his 2004 debacle, Kerry should have retired and taken a job screwing caps on ketchup bottles.
Naturally, Wallace went completely non-sequitor and tried to equate Kerry's non-position on pulling out of Germany or Korea with McCain's position of staying in Iraq. WTF?
No you're wrong. McCain was answering a question on Iraq and the comparison was to the situation in South Korea or Japan where there has been a long term US military presence. Kerry is tying two different episodes and unsuccessfully at that.
I can't stand to look at Chris Wallace. There's something missing from his face... I know!! A fist!!!
Reality....Liberal Bias....Enough said
oh really @ 5:
He didn't want to make you unemployed.
General_Rennenkampf, Race, oh really, who are you people? First Kerry won in 2004 and the election was stolen with wide spread election fraud, he didn't fight hard enough after the totals were announced but that doesn't change the fact he did win. Second what in the hell you talking about the stink of failure? That doesn't make sense because he did win and third NO he didn't ask John McCain to be his VP but McCain did make inquiries about the position and was rebuffed by Kerry.
facta non verba @ 7:
It wasn't a very good comparison.
Three times as many donors gave Obama the money to spend on TV ads than Hillary's donors and they did it only to convince the Pennsylvania voters that he is the man. Period. I guess that's how we should look at the 3:1 ratio -- simply there are three times as many 95 dollar-on-average donors wanting the Pennsylvania voters to understand why they so willingly go broke for Obama than there are Hillary supporters wanting the same for her (unsuccessfully.) And if that's so hard to understand, I guess we'll all deserve McCain. People pay for the air time, not Obama, having the fellow countrymen in mind, and the better future worth investing in short-term.
General_Rennenkampf @ 3:
You speak for the masses?
RayC @ 11:
He made the election close enough Dubya could steal it and no one notice. It should not have been that close. I'm sorry, but he fucking lost it, as that it was neck-and-neck to begin with was a defeat.
"Yes, Chris, he would've been right for me as Vice President in 2004. But he's wrong now. Even though if I'd won with him then, he'd be the Vice President now."
'It's nuance, Chris."
buck_fush @ 2:
Yeah, I noted the Kerry interview was on Faux Noise, and we know that those who watchthat channel are not going to believe or be impressed w/anything Kerry says.
Were it not for this C&L thread, I'd venture to guess that 90 percent of posters here
did not even know Kerry was on Faux on Sunday.
Its too bad Kerry couldn't have talked like that during the 2004 campaign. He dismantled that stenographer, Chris Wallace.
And his hair looks better too.
General_Rennenkampf @ 15:
That says a whole lot about the influence of the corporate media and not very much at all about John Kerry. He won all of the debates, drew much bigger and more enthusiastic crowds. My estimate is that the Republicans stole 18 million votes nationwide and 3 million in Ohio alone.
facta non verba @ 7:
Could you not follow Kerry? It was McCain who compared our presence in
VietnamIraq to South Korea, but in another interview said it was a bad comparison. How are those "two different episodes" besides the obvious McCain said one thing in one interview vs. another in another interview.dennis @ 16:
When was McCain Kerry's running mate? I know there were rumors, but do you have anything substantiated?
Back in 2004, you spoke very differently about John McCain," Wallace said. "You considered him as a possible vice presidential running mate. In May of 2004, you said that McCain was your first choice to be Secretary of Defense, and that's at a time when we had already been in Iraq for more than a year, sir."
The Massachusetts senator disputed Wallace's description of McCain as his "first choice" for Defense, then ticked off the differences between McCain v.2004 and McCain v.2008:
"Let me be very clear about John McCain in 2004," Kerry said. "John McCain in 2004 was a Senator John McCain who had opposed the Bush tax cuts, who had indicated at that point in time a very different attitude on any number of subjects from global climate change to how you treat the powerful in Washington.
"Nomination John McCain is a different person. He is now supporting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. He voted against the bankruptcy bill -- in other words -- I mean, for it. He took the position of the most powerful interests against the average American. He votes against the minimum wage, repeatedly again. ...
"Look, I think John McCain has taken positions in the course of trying to win the Republican nomination, whether it's the reversal and flip-flop on the intolerance with respect to Jerry Falwell and others, or whether it is the Bush tax cuts flip-flop, or whether it is this flip-flop now on the issue of Iraq, or whether it is, you know, global climate change, where he has not yet signed on to Joe Lieberman and John Warner's bill," said Kerry, who knows a thing or three about flip-flopping allegations from the GOP's attacks on him four years ago.
"There is a clear indication of a Nomination John McCain versus the Senator John McCain," Kerry said.
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Its a shame they all won't boycott fox "news" altogether.
Not seeing anything new here, what's the point?
oh please, not kerry. not the guy who couldn't beat the worst evah..
Man, How I wish we could replay 2004 and had Kerry win. These last seven years have been a nightmare! It will take decades to undo what Bush and his cabal have done. Jesus, help us.
Nicely done. Wallace looked visibly uncomfortable.
US military presence in muslim land was the reason 9/11 happened, so in essence, McCain with his "100 presence in iraq" is making it more likely Americans will be killed en masse a'la 9/11.
Old Billy Hussein @ 21:
John Kerry and John McCain: That was then, this is now.
Around this time in 2004, Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts had all but locked up the Democratic presidential nomination and was beginning to think about his vice presidential choices.
You may recall there was a strong push for him to consider a "unity ticket" and choose the leading maverick in the GOP as his running mate -- a "dream team," as onetime Kerry strategist Chris Lehane put it.
The same name was also the first one Kerry offered when asked by radio host Don Imus in May 2004 whom he would name as Secretary of Defense.
Who was this inspiring individual? "Our good friend John McCain," as Kerry described his fellow Vietnam veteran on the Imus show.
Yes, the same John McCain who's now the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.
In other words I think, O-Bill, Kerry is still triangulating and using the same logic that sunk him in 2004. He's basically trying to paint McCain with the same brush that he used to tell us why he was wrong on the war originally, but saw the error of his ways, and changed his positon. That it's important to be bold enough to change your positions when the conditions change. Kerry's a bright guy' but he's confusing as all hell.
Unless he's confirming that the country got it right in 2004 and he's using himself as an example that McCain deserves the same fate as him for his flip-flops.
Were it someone with a few less war credentials. Mr. Kerry owns a lot of stock in the war toys industry. Hardly our shining example. How many others? 150+
a loser that can't communicate trying to instruct about one of his own kind that he has way too much in common with to be considered an "opponent"
truly and permanently, disgusting.
From now to election day, we need every Democrat, yes including John Kerry, to counter the mistaken notion that John McCain is "The Maverick." With record interest on the Democratic side, McCain knows he can't win unless he gets substantial support from independents who are sick of Bush/Cheney. We all need to tell anyone who will listen that McCain's record demonstrates that a McCain administration means more war, more pollution, more and bigger deficits, more tax breaks for the wealthy, and more erosion of the social safety net. More of the same.
Because the MSM will be swooning over McCain.
General_Rennenkampf @ 3:
He made some mistakes, but it's not his fault that half the country are morons.
dennis @ 30:
HA!
That's funny. Well, I wouldn't mind McCain getting the Kerry Treatment. They can play squash together, for all I care.
dennis @ 30:
I was trying to think of a reasonable "unity candidate," and I got to say, that Kerry had some slim pickings if he was going that route anyway. Maybe McCain was the best of a rather motley crew. Who else could he have picked? Hagel? Lieberman?
I used to half like the guy ( McCain ) , maybe not his politics but he seemed a decent man , sad to see he's become just another political whore .
"Kerry can kiss my red rosy ass. At least I was a genuine war hero. No bogus swift boat adventures on my resume." _John McCain
Paying attention to the man behind the curtain, it's clear that John McCain is the new point man for the neocon wing of the Republican party, and will likely leave those pesky details that he gets confused on to the arm chair warriors who guided us into the present quagmire. His policy of 'rogue state rollback' is similar to the PNAC goal of limited hegemony. That's why I kind of find it odd that the term "neocon" isn't attributed to McCain a little more often, especially when Lieberman is one of his biggest boosters.
Besides McCain's doomed to fail Iraq platform and that 666 tattooed under his thinning white hair there are two other reasons not to vote for this opportunist.
McCain is a charter member of the 'Keating 5' who robbed blind S&L's across the country during the mid-late 80's. Honestly, this guy should've been jailed in 1989. Since that time he has been involved in numerous other criminal activities most recently selling telecom favors in return for sex.
McCain sloughed off Bush's 2000 SC attack outing the Senator as father to a black baby (a child the McCain's adopted) to hug & kiss W. when making up and now every time since. If McCain had any sense of manhood or pride he would've punched W. square on the jaw then kicked the shit out of him as W. hit the ground solely on the basis of calling out one of his kids.
McCain is a crook and lacks self respect. I'll pass.
Race @ 4:
oh really @ 5:
I can't believe how hard I worked to get Kerry elected. I'm embarrassed. He only looked good compared to Bush.
"John Kerry yesterday systematically dismantled the persistent myths surrounding the media’s Patron Saint."
Yeah, well, too bad he didn't do that with George Bush in 2004. Now he grows a spine--when it's way, WAY too late.
I hope Obama is prepared to point out all the ways McCain is a lying, ignorant hypocrite and I hope he's prepared to call the media out on their enthusiastic boosting of Mr. fake talk. If he's not, we're all doomed.
I just hope McCain makes it to November. He is so going to be toast!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
One thing you should know about McCain, he is a believes in limited government, low taxes and a strong Military. and THAT scares liberals......
chris @ 43:
Yeah, it is just like Bush and it scares the shit out of me. It should you, too.
chris @ 43:
Did you read this Chris? This is why we are afraid of McCain.
P.D. @ 27:
chris @ 43:
Except when it comes to handouts to his corporate friends
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because China's paying for this war he supports, and will pay for the war with Iran that he wants
Like the stop-lossed, broken military that we got because of policies that McCain supports now.
If by "scare" you mean "energizes", you may have a point.
Why does Kerry even bother getting on TV, he couldn't even defeat bush in 04, how pathetic, hopefully BO will select him as his running mate......
abob @ 37:
abob did three tours in Vietnam. What?
I was going to respond to chris, but I think Andy about summed it up. McCain = crony capitalist.
chris @ 47:
Did you watch the clip? Kerry fileted McCain with his own words.
Excuse me, "filleted" i.e. carved, diced, dissected.
By the way, SilentPatriot or anyone, do you have a link to the Moveon list that one can access without signing up? I want to send it to lots of people.
Old Billy Hussein @ 49:
Kerry wished McCain would have been on the ticket with him because then he would have won, Kerry would not know national security if it was shaped as a croissant..........
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 10:
Awww, a Kerry fan. Isn't that cute?
Hey, Doc, how are things going in middle school. Do they let you visit C&L during recess?
On the other hand, I probably should yield to the utter magnificence of John Kerry, a man so lame he couldn't tell a simple joke without creating a gigantic clusterf**k. A mess so great that after grotesquely trying to explain what he really meant, he had to apologize for his ineptitude. Why, wasn't it right after that little screwup that Kerry gave up on a run in 2008? Gee, I wonder why?
You're right, Doc. Kerry isn't cut out for screwing caps on ketchup bottles any more than he was cut out to be president.
Poor Mr. Wallace, I just loved the look on his face when Mr. Kerry would not buy into his Germany, Korea etc argument, and disagreed with him. It seems there was a flash of angry disbelief on the arrogant Mr. Wallace's face
Though I would far rather have him than *, I am glad Kerry isn't president. What a drip.
Hey John, why the long face?
yuk. yuk.
Didn't Kerry offer (beg) McCain the vice presidential slot in 2004? What a bunch of hypocrites these people are.
The media has no intention of giving Americans honest information.
John Kerry has his day. He needs to play a backseat role during this election. He reminds Americans how boring he is. He drones on. Nothing interesting. Simply boring. Has a high probability to screwing up his talking points. He's in the same league as Geradline Ferraro.
That was just painful to watch.
chris @ 51:
And Bush wouldn't know national security if it was shaped like a pretzel, which would explain why he underestimates his foreign policy endeavors and proceeds to choke on them. Fortunately, McCain won't face that risk because he has all his food pre-chewed and regurgitated into his mouth by a large bird. A bird that strongly resembles your mom, you goober.
Let's not forget that after not challenging the idea of continued prominence of the confederate flag in South Carolina, he later said he regreted not making an issue that the flag was wrong. This geezer will say anything to win office.
NoBuddy @ 38:
I'm glad you brought that up. Surely people don't think the neo-cons just decided to drop their PNAC plans for world domination without a fight. They for sure have a horse in this race.
GMFORD @ 62:
was there ever any doubt?
Why in the world does anyone seriously listen to John Kerry anymore. He had his chance, but he completely folded in 2004. The Democratic Party needs fighters, not those who turn tail and capitulate like Kerry, Reed, Pelosi and so many others.
Add to the list McCain's numerous votes against increasing veterans' benefits and his refusal to get on board with Sen. Jim Webb's new GI bill.
All I have to say is, Kerry was slammed. CNN and Faux News constantly played up the swift boat shit and tried to make Bush look strong. People were still terrified of attacks. Even my family members said Kerry was to weak and voted for Bush. Now look what we got, no money, endless war, no future for our kids. That's what happens when big business has a say in our politics. Destruction of the middle class.
I'm surprised that McCain hasn't advised those facing foreclosure to do what he did: Dump your first wife and marry a wealthy bimbo.
chris @ 43:
It's our government, with McCain's support, that has gotten us stuck in Iraq with still no end in sight, to the tune of trillions of dollars (yes, that's with a "t" and an "s"). That is hardly limited.
He voted against lower taxes after 9/11, and violates his own call for serving a cause greater than yourself now by saying he's against a tax hike, even on the upper class. hard to know what he really believes there.
Iraq is destroying our military, according to testimony by a general last week to Congress. McCain would just keep that going, and with utterly NO chance that he'll call for a draft (there's that pesky "serving a cause" again). And while I won't deny that he has a point RE the aftermath in Iraq if we ever do get out (I may not live to see it), the way he himself ignores the consequences his staying the course will have on the military makes me think he is full of it.
What's scary is blind faith in the facade that is McCain.
Assassin @ 60:
Is their really a need for personal attacks, how about raising the dialog to a respectable manner, if you don't have anything nice to say!!
it would be significant if you were right chris. But you keep posting bullshit.Hell, if I was @ a repug site, they'd be alot worse.
Hey Kerry, McBush and the rest of the republican crime syndicate that are veterans of the military sat silently as you their very own comarad was slimed by partisan, funky, lying swift-boaters set out to literally destroy you!!
Payback, SHOULD be a mutha!!!
Off topic, I swear that mans face and hair looks like a plastic mask. He's not real I tell you! LOL!
So Chris Wallace takes it upon himself to defend and spin and try to dismiss John Kerry's comments.
This is the FOX news that I understand is going to televise the Democratic National Convention in Denver?
I don't think I'll watch it nor contribute to the DNC that they can pay FOX. FOX needs not to profit off me.....................
All I can say is my condolences go out to Mike Wallace.
Uh oh, there's that "with all due respect" thing going on from Faux. I wonder what was said after that? You know it wasn't anything good.
centralilgirl @ 75:
Good point, centralilgirl. Same thing when Jean Kerry says 'and let me be perfectly clear on this point'. It usually means prepare youself for a whopper.
Sure beat McDonald's.
chris @ 47:
That's because of illegal activities by publican officials in violation of HAVA in Ohio. Even publican judges were chewing them out for their shenanigans.
Old Billy Hussein @ 50:
link to the list and another link
Like many others I was seriously disappointed w/Kerry/Edwards in '04 but happy to hear him or anyone in front of the media acknowledging McCain's hypocritical & delusional bullshit.
One thing Kerry should be challenged on is his reference to the Lieberman/Warner bill, aka "America's Climate Security Act". This bill is a misnomer. There has been a long list of misnomers produced by this administration and the Senate has been complacent in their duties. The Climate Security Act is a stepping stone that will provide BILLIONS to nuclear power and do very little for the carbon cap. Follow the link for more info Mr Kerry. Anything with Lieberman in it bears more scrutiny.
Do your homework Mr. Kerry.
oooooooH! Where,How did you Kerry (Koch) acquire $32 million to invest in Military Company stocks?--Largest of all senators. Fact--after 1 1/2 terms most senetors become multi-millionair$---Kerry,please respond in howyou been soooooo lucky or just a lacky for the military hardware boys.
chris @ 69:
Ha! Yes, let's get back to calling Sen. Kerry French.
elemental jim @ 79:
Thanks!
Lots of trolls in this thread: Fuck off!
If the man speaks the truth I don't care if was a bad campaigner. And BTW if 9/11 hadn't happen he would have trounced Bush. People was still just too scared at that point in time
Isn't it interesting how a politician without any other visible means of support beside a government paycheck can enter Congress with average middle class assets and become a multi-bazillionaire after a few terms?
In other news, chance to refute McCain myths causes John Kerry's face to droop in joy....
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