This is as relevant as Clintons blowjob. Instead of a story based on anonymous sources (gossip), you should hammer the guy on his horrible politics - and only that.

knud @ 1:

This is as relevant as Clintons blowjob. Instead of a story based on anonymous sources (gossip), you should hammer the guy on his horrible politics - and only that.

Ayup...this is just counterproductive.

I'm sure that he said it with love. Just ask Sean Hannity...or Brit Hume...or O'Reilly.

I heard he called his mom a 'skank.'

Slappy is right. Our moron population will be outraged at this - probably consider it worse than his continual foot-in-mouth political mistakes he made on his little tour to Iraq.
Hopefully there will be enough outrage to cost him a few votes? I'm not an 'end justifies the means' type of person but I'm getting desperate here!

I agree what you guys have to say. But lets look at the big picture. The Repugs are going to dig and make mountains out of molehills. They will take any situation, any phrase and twist it to suit their needs. Anything. They will use Rovian tactics at every turn. Remember Obama's (gasp) bowling score.

La Parisienne @ 8:

knud @ 1:

This is as relevant as Clintons blowjob. Instead of a story based on anonymous sources (gossip), you should hammer the guy on his horrible politics - and only that.

Completely agree ... I think this is irrelevant ... at least when his temper is directed at his family.
Discussions on how his temper might affect his capacity as a president are NOT off limit however ...

hey, by the way, what"s with the big fork in the picture ? anyone care to enlighten this poor clueless european ?

It's for 'catching' seal pups.

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 3:

knud @ 1:

This is as relevant as Clintons blowjob. Instead of a story based on anonymous sources (gossip), you should hammer the guy on his horrible politics - and only that.

Ayup...this is just counterproductive.

I think his temperament and control (or lack thereof) are very much an issue.

When we vote for a president, we ARE voting for the whole package, bad temper, mental defects that may come with age and all. Temperament and age, as in how well both are handled are very much an issue.

Now if they were bitching about the cost of the guy's haircut, or how he dresses, I'd totally agree with you on it being unimportant and counterproductive.

But this goes to character and the ability to work efficiently and smartly under fire.

How are all you family values folks out there, gonna spin this? The msm has spent 100's of hours on Obamas minister, and how that plays on Obamas judgement, well. what about McCrazy's judgement? Is this the repugs idea of a family values guy? Any women who would vote for a pig like this need their head examined.

Love the photo! Classic. I also love it, Nicole, when you quote They Might Be Giants.

From the little lighthouse in your soul,

Macon D

It is important because he wants women to vote for him.

It would be like him saying "All you bitches should vote for me."

(Bill) Clinton would have said, "All you lovely ladies should vote for me. There might be a little something extra in it for you."

this is good. it does give a glimpse as to what McInsane is capable of. just imagine if he called merkel or some other foriegn leader a c*nt or even worse...

diamondmc @ 16:

How are all you family values folks out there, gonna spin this? The msm has spent 100's of hours on Obamas minister, and how that plays on Obamas judgement, well. what about McCrazy's judgement? Is this the repugs idea of a family values guy? Any women who would vote for a pig like this need their head examined.

Hey, as long as the dude can break triple digits in his friggin' bowling score, I'm all in. I mean, that IS the true test for manly leadership is it not? :P

miss_kitty Hussein @ 21:

diamondmc @ 16:

How are all you family values folks out there, gonna spin this? The msm has spent 100's of hours on Obamas minister, and how that plays on Obamas judgement, well. what about McCrazy's judgement? Is this the repugs idea of a family values guy? Any women who would vote for a pig like this need their head examined.

Spin it?

They'll ignore it. They'll never bring it up.

Well, with sites like C&L, hopefully they won't be able to ignore it.

This is very relevant. Dropping the C-bomb on the wife shows his almost complete lack of control. The only other person who I know who called his wife that to her face was my brother, and his wife left him. It's a sign of serious personal problems. The guy has serious self control issues, not good for a guy who's finger is on the button.

bryancri @ 26:

gee, that's important news (not).

thanks!

I think it says alot about how McCrazy thinks about women.

Don't forget "trollop"! Well, that's a different image than what he and his press buddies are selling, isn't it?

Oh come on!

A rumor, when McCain called his wife a "cunt".

Guess what - in the heat of the moment, people say terrible things. Didn't all of you say to somebody: "I wish I could kill you" or words to that effect?

We can hammer McCain on his political speeches, his political stance but lets leave the private life out of this.

For the record, I do not care if my president cheats on his wife, has orgies, has snorted coke and had sex with a pony.

I DO care if my president lies the country into a war which we have not needed to be in.

the media will cover for him. that's what their paid to do.

Rastignac @ 33:

La Parisienne @ 8:

knud @ 1:

This is as relevant as Clintons blowjob. Instead of a story based on anonymous sources (gossip), you should hammer the guy on his horrible politics - and only that.

Completely agree ... I think this is irrelevant ... at least when his temper is directed at his family.
Discussions on how his temper might affect his capacity as a president are NOT off limit however ...

hey, by the way, what"s with the big fork in the picture ? anyone care to enlighten this poor clueless european ?

http://www.areavoices.com/charliezma/images/thumbnail/greenacres1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gothic

i can't believe that many here think it's ok that McJerk called his wife a c*nt in public, that it isn't important. It is important, not only because of his lack of judgement but it exemplifies his attitude towards women. He obviously has no respect for women.

Other than this incredibly important news [ha!] any word on the KBR rape [non]investigations? How about getting Rove and Meyers to testify? How's that telecom immunity thing going? Any deaths or violence in Iraq today? Is there any movement on the impeachment front? Since this seems to be another 'open thread' on nothing I thought I'd ask.

Every guy gets angry and says this and every woman gets angry and says asshole, its happens...

She is helping to finance the most anti-choice candidate for president -- I'm sure many other women feel the same way about her.

Well this is a charming story.
McCain,to flip his wig and call his lovely young wife a "cunt" because she mentioned his thinning hair problem,obviously has an enormous ego.
The "age issue" probably really picks his ass.
One can't help but wonder if his anger issues extend into the area of physical violence.
Does he beat his wife?How much gets reported by the fawning press?
If elected to the office of President will he call (for example)the PM of Britain a "cunt" in a fit of pique?The German Chancellor? I shudder to think.

'Batshit McCrazy' ..........YEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry guys, but this is ENTIRELY relevant. This man speaks like that to his wife, not only IN PUBLIC (one only wonders what he's like in private), but in his WORK PLACE. What does that say about his level of professionalism (not to mention level of sanity)? It shows a serious lack of judgment and an instability that we don't need in the oval office.

Dr Rogaine @ 46:

I personally think he was in his right for what he said, even if I disagree with most of his policies. It sounds like she publicly teased him about his thinning hair, which is sensitive issue for about 99.9999% of men. She probably thought it was cute, but that is tantamount of publicly telling a woman she is fat, flat chested, big-assed, old, etc. Any woman would get pissed if you embarrassed her in public, so McGrouchy was in his right to tell her off.

It would be one thing if she mentioned his balding in private and he flew off the handle, but mentioning it in front of other men in his campaign is an insult to his manhood.

Most men would cheer him on for this. It shows he is not some pussy-whipped wimp who bows to his wife's every whim. She should have never embarrassed him like that.

BTW, I hate McCain and I would never vote for him, however this story, if it is true, is a non-issue.

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Oh, so it's ok that instead of using his superior wit with a comeback, he presses the red button and goes nuclear with the C-word. Personally, he scare the crap out of me as a presidential candidate.

I don't mind "fuck" or "shit," but "P" and "C" are OUT!

It's just as bad as if he'd called Condoleeza Rice the 'n-word' because he was having a long day.

It shouldn't be tolerated.

So, I guess it's ok to call him a cranky old dickhead.

I think I'll just refer as COD from this point on.

For example, do we really want to put a COD in the White House.

Do we really want a COD to be Commander In Chief.

If we really want to elect a COD why don't we just write in Dick Cheney.

American Gothic they ain't

Unless you counting Dynasty.

Oliver and Lisa Douglas are looking terrible now days.

So for those of you without access to the patented Wingnut Equivalency Machine (TM), here's the breakdown.

Marry a Beer Baron Trophy wife to advance your political career = Good

Marry a Ketchup Heiress for same = What are you, some sort of French half fag?!?!?!

Is this being blow n out of proportion? Maybe it's a pet-name between them.

Other pet-names for Cindy, John uses: "Gravy Train", "Bottle Blond" and "Number Two."

She calls him: "Meat head", "Grafty" and "Crash"

/snark

dennis @ 44:

You guys slay me, reallly.

I guess this means Hillary gets no votes from the C&L faction if temper is a disqualifier.

Cliff Schecter, Pulitzer Prize nominee someday maybe- I'm surprised it's not on Drudge Report right now.

I can see the question at the first debate; Senator Obama, John McCain has taken a great deal of heat for an anonymous source claiming that he muutered the C-word to his wife one late evening. Can you tell the American people that you have never muttered that word too?"

Obama: "No, TIm. I can honestly so I haven't as a matter of fact. I started to once in the heat of the moment, but the words were never formed on my lips. Or at least the words were not audible- I was able to inhale them back in".

Ah if only that first sentence were true. Relax Dennis we're just having fun with the Ancient Aviator you wingnuts have crowned as your king. Now run along back to your troll cave.

RK @ 54:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 14:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 3:

Ayup...this is just counterproductive.

I think his temperament and control (or lack thereof) are very much an issue.

I agree wholeheartedly. Poor judgment, lack of control, disrespect for others around him, especially women -- all incredibly important.

Even more important, and thus far not mentioned is his overall mental health. He was "McNasty" when he was a kid, but just what exactly happened to "McNasty" after spending 6 years in that POW camp?

This looks a lot more like a manifestation of PTSD rather than just bad manners or an ill temper. Look inside and I think you will find something more akin to a boiling cesspool of rage, hate, paranoia, and bad judgment with a serious lack of control and tendency to overreact.

Ultimately, I believe McCain could be far more dangerous even than GWB sitting in that office.

It would be great if for once the MSM took their jobs seriously and actually looked into the possibility of this man being far too unstable to perform the duties of President...

rk

Hmmm...okay...I see your point...but I still think we should be focusing on his non-familial outbursts...I think this stuff is between his wife and and him...

McCain, "strong on national security"? He can't even protect his wife from himself.

Peter G @ 64:

dennis @ 44:

You guys slay me, reallly.

I guess this means Hillary gets no votes from the C&L faction if temper is a disqualifier.

Cliff Schecter, Pulitzer Prize nominee someday maybe- I'm surprised it's not on Drudge Report right now.

I can see the question at the first debate; Senator Obama, John McCain has taken a great deal of heat for an anonymous source claiming that he muutered the C-word to his wife one late evening. Can you tell the American people that you have never muttered that word too?"

Obama: "No, TIm. I can honestly so I haven't as a matter of fact. I started to once in the heat of the moment, but the words were never formed on my lips. Or at least the words were not audible- I was able to inhale them back in".

Ah if only that first sentence were true. Relax Dennis we're just having fun with the Ancient Aviator you wingnuts have crowned as your king. Now run along back to your troll cave.

Dennis is a typical Repub hypocrite. If this was Obama or Hillary, troll boy would NEVER let this die. Now that McFraud and his vampire looking wife are finally being vetted (since the barbecue loving MSM won't do it), he wants progressives to "take the high road". Dennis, you don't set the rules. If you don't appreciate the subject matter, take you and your Republican bullshit guilt trip back to Drudge.

Dr Rogaine @ 56:

Vinny Hussein @ 49:

Dr Rogaine @ 46:

I personally think he was in his right for what he said, even if I disagree with most of his policies. It sounds like she publicly teased him about his thinning hair, which is sensitive issue for about 99.9999% of men. She probably thought it was cute, but that is tantamount of publicly telling a woman she is fat, flat chested, big-assed, old, etc. Any woman would get pissed if you embarrassed her in public, so McGrouchy was in his right to tell her off.

It would be one thing if she mentioned his balding in private and he flew off the handle, but mentioning it in front of other men in his campaign is an insult to his manhood.

Most men would cheer him on for this. It shows he is not some pussy-whipped wimp who bows to his wife's every whim. She should have never embarrassed him like that.

BTW, I hate McCain and I would never vote for him, however this story, if it is true, is a non-issue.

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Oh, so it's ok that instead of using his superior wit with a comeback, he presses the red button and goes nuclear with the C-word. Personally, he scare the crap out of me as a presidential candidate.

So the next time your significant other says "Hey Vinny, you got a small penis and you only lasted about 10 seconds during sex last night" in front of your colleagues I expect you to just laugh it off and say "you are right honey".

Teasing a man about is baldness and international diplomacy are two different things.

BTW, did you not get the last line were I said that I would never vote for Grandpa McCain? Reading comprehension really works if you use it.

Rogaine is for -external- use only.

Dana @ 69:

Well if he did in fact call his wife that name
and she stays with him and puts up with that
kind of verbal abuse then she is pathetic as well.

Typical repug family unit.

If his nickname in high school was McNasty, it's pretty clear he's been a jerk all his life.

anneyhussein @ 73:

ysbaddaden @ 59:

Liberal AND Proud @ 55:

So, I guess it's ok to call him a cranky old dickhead.

I think I'll just refer as COD from this point on.

For example, do we really want to put a COD in the White House.

Do we really want a COD to be Commander In Chief.

If we really want to elect a COD why don't we just write in Dick Cheney.

Why not, boosh wore a codpiece on the deck of that destroyer.

Are you sure? I thought he'd shoved a bunch of grapes down into that flight-suit crotch to take up the slack.

Codswollop!

They were raisins.

Is that his daughter?

Gotta love her bleached out hair and heavy mascara. All she needs is a cigarette and cut-off jean shorts and she'd look like every 50 something-year-old I've seen in the lovely South.

Jacksonville called, they want their over-the-hill ho back now.

The Truth Hurts @ 80:

Gotta love her bleached out hair and heavy mascara. All she needs is a cigarette and cut-off jean shorts and she'd look like every 50 something-year-old I've seen in the lovely South.

Jacksonville called, they want their over-the-hill ho back now.

Hey, truckstops got standards too you know.

If the hubbinator was ever stoopid enough to say it to my face in anger, I guarantee it would only happen once, he'd be occupied with picking teeth out of his esophagus for a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time after.

I think this level of discourse is indicative of a lack of respect not only for his wife, but for those around him. Like another here has pointed out...if he speaks to her in public this way, how must he behave in private. This language is abusive and incredibly inappropriate regardless of the venue, but the fact that he uttered it in front of "teh press" speaks to the fact that he has very few, if any, filters which could spell disaster for US foreign relations abroad.

The POTUS speaks for the nation...McAsshat doesn't have what it takes to speak for me.

knud @ 1:

This is as relevant as Clintons blowjob. Instead of a story based on anonymous sources (gossip), you should hammer the guy on his horrible politics - and only that.

Moron, you may not think McCain calling his wife a c*nt is relevant, but ask your wife, ask your mother.

Ask your daughter what she thinks about McCain calling his wife a c*nt.

You, knud, are really, really stupid if you don't think this is relevant. Odds are, though, you are just a politically motivated liar.

Abbybwood @ 48:

I just looked up the word "c*nt" in my Webster's Ninth New Collegiate (1983) dictionary and here is the definition: (Yes, it's true. Every dirty word is in this particular dictionary...the one William Safire uses as reference in his "On Language" column for the NYT):

"kotze..prostitute; akin to OE cot den) (14c): the female pudenda; also; coitus with a woman -- usually considered obscene

He just lost every female vote in this country for that crack (even though he might be right about her...drk, drk). Oh, never mind. I forgot. Diebold's doing the count.

no he didn't, unfortunately, there are enough women in this country who will let it pass because he's not a (gasp) democrat who wants to convert our children into gays, abort the rest, force us beautiful subservent God commanded women into men hating/god defying feminists.

/snark

I'm sorry to have to point out, all posters upstairs who are w/the justifyin', that calling your wife/girlfriend/sweetheart (?) a c**t in public might just lose McCrapHead the race, if only this was well known & documented, & framed properly. Repubs would have a field day w/this info were the sitch reversed, & you know it. It'd be on cable news 24/7.

So, let's widely disseminate this heart warming McCain-to-McTrophyWife exchange, shall we?

chris @ 41:

Every guy gets angry and says this and every woman gets angry and says asshole, its happens...

So you think calling a woman a cunt is the same as calling someone an asshole (which can be applied to either sex)

Main Entry: ass·hole
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1usually vulgar : anus
2 ausually vulgar : a stupid, incompetent, or detestable person busually vulgar : the worst place —used in phrases like asshole of the world.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asshole

Main Entry: cunt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English cunte; akin to Middle Low German kunte female pudenda
Date: 14th century
1usually obscene : the female genital organs; also : sexual intercourse with a woman
2usually disparaging & obscene : woman 1a
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cunt

who cares. And why do women get this magical word that no man can say?

women can roll off name after name and men should just sit there and take it, but men say the c word and they are evil?

no way. grow up women. sticks and stones.

I don't need this story to see Mr McCain is a hot head that should not have the launch codes.

An Average Joe @ 92:

...maybe she is..

That all depends on what the meaning of is is.

This speaks to this mans character, his respect or lack of respect of Women, 51% of the electorate and his temper. All relevant. I don't need another angry man from the bottom of his educational class leading our country.

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 70:

RK @ 54:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 14:

I think his temperament and control (or lack thereof) are very much an issue.

I agree wholeheartedly. Poor judgment, lack of control, disrespect for others around him, especially women -- all incredibly important.

Even more important, and thus far not mentioned is his overall mental health. He was "McNasty" when he was a kid, but just what exactly happened to "McNasty" after spending 6 years in that POW camp?

This looks a lot more like a manifestation of PTSD rather than just bad manners or an ill temper. Look inside and I think you will find something more akin to a boiling cesspool of rage, hate, paranoia, and bad judgment with a serious lack of control and tendency to overreact.

Ultimately, I believe McCain could be far more dangerous even than GWB sitting in that office.

It would be great if for once the MSM took their jobs seriously and actually looked into the possibility of this man being far too unstable to perform the duties of President...

rk

Hmmm...okay...I see your point...but I still think we should be focusing on his non-familial outbursts...I think this stuff is between his wife and and him...

It's abuse. Spousal abuse. Emotional spousal abuse. and it was done in front of a group of people, reporters and his aides. So it's also a public humiliation thing too.

The "anonymous source" were 3 (THREE) reporters.

Quit defending and being apologists for the old cranky McWifeabuser. To call his wife a "painted trollop" and a "C*nt" was abuse, pure and simple.

And those of you that think it's okey-dokey or a private matter are abuse enablers.

Why do liberals suddenly get so sanctimonious about language on the part of conservatives? Like Bush calling the reporter a "major league asshole," and Cheney telling Pat Leahy to "go fuck yourself," most Americans (the people in between California and New York) agree with these sentiments.

Regardless, no one's going to believe the McCain story. It just sounds too staged, too hatched.

miss_kitty Hussein @ 106:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 70:

RK @ 54:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 14:

And thank you, Miss Kitty Hussein, for keeping this on point. Well said.

Dude, read a book on debate rules. Let me gently return you to the context of the argument, as you are obfuscating the issue by couching it in mommy issue resentments of how women get to treat you. This isn’t about what women can get away with.

This is about the word being used as a form of assault on a woman. The word was the vehicle he drove to run her over.
(that’s a metaphor, btw) Again, it’s not about the word in any context other than it’s intent. It was abusive, intending to intimidate, to rashly retaliate for a slight, however real or perceived. I am guessing she didn’t mean it mean-spiritedly and was blindsided by his reaction. It was also an over-reaction. The salient question here is, “Do you want these characteristics in your leader?”

Absolutely. Next question.

I must say I love how you "guess" that she didn't mean it mean-spiritedly and was "blind-sided" by his reaction. You've got quite the active imagination for a guy dispensing debating tips.

I don't have a problem with people calling him John McCunt from now on.

yeah, i know. separate. typo

I personally think he was in his right for what he said, even if I disagree with most of his policies. It sounds like she publicly teased him about his thinning hair, which is sensitive issue for about 99.9999% of men...

FAIL.

who cares. And why do women get this magical word that no man can say?

TRIPLE FAIL.

Howard Hussein Beale @ 116:

"I am guessing" was an aside to the argument. That's why I stated it as conjecture. Tell me what rule of debate it broke.
And, imagination is what seperates us from the animals. And the Republicans.

Why do we want to be separate from the animals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjh9D7BgMFQ

LibVet @ 93:

knud @ 1:

This is as relevant as Clintons blowjob. Instead of a story based on anonymous sources (gossip), you should hammer the guy on his horrible politics - and only that.

Moron, you may not think McCain calling his wife a c*nt is relevant, but ask your wife, ask your mother.

Ask your daughter what she thinks about McCain calling his wife a c*nt.

You, knud, are really, really stupid if you don't think this is relevant. Odds are, though, you are just a politically motivated liar.

Moron, idiot, politically motivated liar? That's a lot of name calling. Since you ignored the second - and most important part of my argument - I repeat: The story is based on anonymous sources, therefore unverifiable. In other words - It might never have happened. Some republican could write the exact same story, "oh rumors have it, Obama is..."

I have an excellent book called "A Rulebook for Arguments" by Anthony Weston. It gives the basics for how to build a proper argument for a case. #3 is to start from reliable sources. The McCain article does not do that, and you fail to see it. #17 is to avoid ad hominem. Both you and Dr. Hussien Matt in #38 tries this tactic. Please give a more mature response next time. Thanks.

ysbaddaden @ 123:

Howard Hussein Beale @ 116:

"I am guessing" was an aside to the argument. That's why I stated it as conjecture. Tell me what rule of debate it broke.
And, imagination is what seperates us from the animals. And the Republicans.

Why do we want to be separate from the animals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjh9D7BgMFQ

Hilarious. Thanks for the light touch. I have to go to work now. But anyone who thinks it's okay for McCain to treat his wife like that, please feel free to continue to speak your mind - regardless of how much it might limit your conversation.

BigSky @ 86:

What is the point of this story? You get on the media for spending too much time on Obama and bowling, but you feature this nonstory. I've really seen some stories on this site lately that make me wonder what direction C&L is going.

I heard Hillary tried her hand at bowling today on Ellen's show and guttered out then got 1-2 pins. I can't believe she took the bait. Doh.

I'm sure McC*nt's busy working on his handicap now so he can go public and STEEEE....RRIKE!!!! them both out!

Yee-hah!!!!!

Some of you are spinning this every way but Sunday. He had brain damage when he was a prisoner, he was over tired that day, he was embarrassed when she mentioned his thinning hair. Come on!!! This man wants to be the President of the United States. Shouldn't we expect something better than this foul mouthed SOB? We are getting rid of two foul mouthed repugs (Bush & Cheney) let's not put another in the W.H.

Alfredo @ 14:

I think its a reference to "american gothic", you know that picture with the zombie looking dudes?

Anyway this is bs, if he did call her a c*nt at least tell us the where and when so we can know if this is lies.

[Raw Story has the details. Click the link. That's why we provide them-Sitemonitor]

Like I said it doesnt provide the who (anonymous), where (a senate campaign stop somewhere) when (1992 sometime). SOunds like gossip until someone stand up and says "I was there, heres what happened".

Meaningless crap. Where's the beef?

I wonder what he will call that German bitch if he has had a long day.

In fact I wonder how he refers to Hill.

Leave the tabloid shit to Drudge and the Huffington Post.

Captain Kangaroo @ 142:

Next question to McCain should be " Have you stopped beating her?"

here you go Cap'n

This thread says *at least* as much about C&L as that story does about McCain imo. Rushing to the defense of his wife while referring to her as a "vampire"? Ok.

He probably needed therapy after those five years in the Hanoi Hilton. But, of course, he would be too macho for that.

Dale @ 21:

It is important because he wants women to vote for him.

It would be like him saying "All you bitches should vote for me."

(Bill) Clinton would have said, "All you lovely ladies should vote for me. There might be a little something extra in it for you."

I too thought it irrelevant at first, but well put, Dale.