Verdict with Dan Abrams: Donahue and Carlson on Iraq
By Nicole Belle Monday Apr 07, 2008 3:10pm
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The fallacy of "balance" in the media drives me nuts. Especially when they pair someone like Phil Donohue up with professional contrarian and annoyance Tucker Carlson, who couldn't come up with a compelling viewpoint to get anyone to watch his own show. Why is it necessary to bring on another point of view on when you have a guest like Donahue, who has spent the better part of the last year working on his documentary, Body of War, appearing to discuss the movie and how he perceives the occupation in Iraq to be going, especially when Carlson can bring no special background or knowledge to the discussion? The concept of honest debate of important issues gets lost in stupid semantic nitpicking ("how can you call Cheney a wimp for getting out of going to Vietnam?") that simply wastes airtime and prevents the public from hearing Donahue's perspective (which it should not have to be pointed out, has been right far more consistently than Carlson has). Luckily, host Dan Abrams gave Donahue the last word:
This war is not fair to the American troops. This war is a massive blunder and we still have people like John McCain who want to throw more young people on the sword because “we have to win, my friends.” What…you know, the way he talks, he’s going to find that last terrorist and go [points finger like a gun] bang! [blows on finger] Boy, I’m glad that’s over! That’s the way they’re talking. This is a nightmare. It is a (sic) endless quagmire that is going to cost more and more American blood while the American people are losing this. They have no focus on Iraq any more and our economy is tanking.
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Doneahue will always have a place in my heart for absolutely destroying Bill O Reilly a couple years ago on Natl Television.
"he’s going to find that last terrorist and go [points finger like a gun] bang! [blows on finger] Boy, I’m glad that’s over!"
I've heard Phil say that before and I think that's one of the best quotes ever to describe the delusion that the uber patriots, so called pro-war crowd, are under.
But y'know, I'm just one of them there Libs who hate Amerika, and all I want to do is give terrorists a hug.
Never mind, go blow up s'more Iraqis to mist and turn some soldiers minds into jello.
Well, w finally shed some tears on the fallen Naval Seal at his ceremony.
Well done CNN.
Yet another failure for Tucker. Poor thing is never going to impress his daddy.
Tucker Carlson was more obnoxious than ususal last night. Phil Donahue was absolutely disgusted with Carlson's stupidity and arrogance.
It is a shame that MSNBC doesn't have the guts to give Donahue his own show--the ratings would be off the chart. He could triple Matthews ratings anyday of the week. If that network was really serious about journalism they would find an hour of the day to give him his own program--because he really does do journalism.
Tucker can go crawl under a rock for all I care.
Wow-if only MSNBC would have kept Donohue on the air when he had the highest rated show and was absolutely right about the war BEFORE it started. Imagine!
That loser Tucker had at least 3 shows canned since then (CNN, PBS, MSNBC), plus he danced with the stars!
OT, Delete if you must.
I just watched a stream of Bush posthumously awarding the MOH to a fallen very brave man.
Bush acted a bit shaken.
I hope he was thinking "it was my stupid actions to war preemptively with a sovereign country that I had no business invading that cost this very exceptional Brave Young man his life. I am such a waste, I am the worst president in history".
I Wish.
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 7:
No. He was thinking, I hope I don't get punished for murdering this dude for profit.
There's something fundamentally wrong when obvious pussies like Carlson, Kristol, Hannity, OReilly talk that tough war talk....and people actually listen.
I think the media could have done a lot better than Carlson but then again, its becoming very hard to actually find someone that still believes the crap that the Administration and military high command puts out about Iraq.
Iraq has been for some time now, just a long exercise in saving face. The whole "winning" or "victory" that we keep hearing about is a fallacy and is defined more by ones fantasy or imagination than anything else. None of which are based in reality. If they were based in reality then it would become clear that this "victory" will not be defined at some time down the road by the United States. It has, and always will be defined by those in Iraq and by those other state actors just outside of its borders.
seems pretty unfair to be attacking abrams, when in the same show, he interviewed don siegelman for half an hour... a cause he was almost alone in fighting for in the mainstream media
You are SO RIGHT ON THE MONEY with the topic of this thread. No matter the gulf of experience or expertise between the "debaters," cable news thinks it's doing it's job as long as they have one person on the LEFT side and one on the RIGHT...
Of course, there are exceptions, like if you're producing "Morning Jo(k)e" on MSNBC where Republicans Reign Supreme... or "Softball," where it's Anti-Hillary-all-the-time.
No wonder Donahue is not on tv anymore, when is the left going to learn.. Maybe he wants them to follow us home......
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 7:
No, he was just drunk and coked up at the same time. That gives anyone the shakes.
I saw this last night and I loved how Danohue mopped the floor with Tucker. And why is Tucker on anyway? Who cares what his opinions are? The fact he is still on the payroll bugs me. But hey, It's MSNBC's money.
Geo @ 8:
He was thinking "Damn, I'm running out of soldiers...I my term might not end before the draft is instituted..*sob*...I'm never gonna be as good as my Daddy...*SOB*...Mommmmy!"
I Am A Banana @ 2:
It's "tree hugging Libs".
Dan @ 11:
This is not an attack on Abrams specifically, but media-wide indictment. This segment is a good example of the false notion of balance by having someone on simply to be contrary. Donahue had lots of valid and compelling points to make (and examples from his documentary) and instead, he was forced to be interrupted by Carlson, who offered nothing substantive on the subject.
I'll have some of the Siegelman interview up later as well. Dan Abrams deserves all sorts of kudos for keeping the story alive.
I didn't think it was possible for Tucker to make an even bigger ass of himself...but by craaackeee....he did it!
When it comes to "wimps" Tucker knows what he's talking about.
I saw Bush's reaction too. I can't beleive they did that today. Why today?
The problem with this thread is that it, like all other "Why Isn't The Media Fair?" threads, starts from the Right-Wing framing point of view that the media is supposed to be fair.
The truth is that the media is never going to be fair, because it is a propaganda tool of the right-wing corporations. Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity are marketing personnel whose job is to sell right-wing propaganda.
Donohue could have had a much more robust career had he been willing to abandon his principles and become another right-wing tool. He could have been as famous as Glenn Beck. Instead he chose integrity, and is lucky to get any airtime at all.
The question isn't "how can we make the media more fair" the question is "how to do we take back the mainstream media from the giant corporations?"
chris @ 13:
To chris at 13...Who are the "them" that are gonna follow us home?
When Donahue came on I instantly changed the channel, he comes off very flighty, dazed and medicated. I am originally and still am anti Iraq war. Donahue is not someone that should be put on national cable to plead the case. His time has come and gone. I am sure the book is very good. I think there is a reason he is not on TV anymore. MSNBC is getting big ratings for putting on the right people. Softball and Countdown are the shows I watch. Donahue should be writing books, only. Tucker bothers me but not as much sadly.
You already followed us home, Chris.
chris @ 13:
If you are joking, its not funny.
I think Tucker and thr right-wing loonies are a dying breed. In Pennsylvania, Thousands of people switched their party to Democrat. Sadly, the majority of Republicans are moderate. When Bush and the neo-cons went severly to the right, they alienated their own party.
Chris,
Why do you think that us being in Iraq is keeping them from coming here?
The Carlson kid...
daddy is a member of Scooter Libby fund and Vice Chairman of neo-con Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD)
Thats how close and in bed this media is... for their "fair and balanced" doctrine
And they wanted MORE media consolidation.
Stop them in their lying tracks..
Stand Strong Honest Candidates and Americans.
It was an insult to Donahue to bring Tucker on the show to "debate" him. There is nothing to debate. Phil filmed that young guy's life. That guy is just one of many. There is no left or right to facts.
Tucker seems to be be mentally stuck at about 16 years old. He must have had a hell of a contract with MSNBC before they axed his show. They must have agreed to put him on one of their shows at least once a week for months to come. Why else would he be on? He wasn't good enough to keep his own show alive so why would they think he would add a positive element to any other show?
(which it should not have to be pointed out, has been right far more consistently than Carlson has).
Shouldn't that be left?
It could be worse; they could've have had opposite Donahue that boosh nephew, what's his face, who tries to talk so knowledgable about the port sales to Dubai, when not dancing with transvestites.
Can you believe this.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton will win several state nominating contests in the coming months but has little chance of becoming the party's candidate for the November 2008 election, traders were betting on Tuesday.
Prediction exchanges let traders buy and sell contracts on the likelihood of future events.
So Candidates are now "Futures"? Commodities?
The insanity continues.
Question for Chris @ 28:
George has stocked their pond with American soldiers to kill. Thus providing live targets for the terrorists to train on. Also, it keeps the elites from having to send their kids.
Next year Obama ought to give Donahue the Medal of Freedom.
ben @ 23:
I saw a terrist at the bus stop today. I didn't want to get out of my truck cuz I was scared, but I prayed for Jesus to smote the little bastard. He was even carrying a backpack that was probably full of pipe bombs or C4, or maybe Katusha rockets. I called the cops, but the damn ACLU won't let them take him in for questioning unless he actually kills someone. I'm pretty sure he was a terrist, he looked like the guy in that Chuck Norris film - that Egyptian, or Greek guy. Damn terrists.
"You are SO RIGHT ON THE MONEY with the topic of this thread. No matter the gulf of experience or expertise between the “debaters,” cable news thinks it’s doing it’s job as long as they have one person on the LEFT side and one on the RIGHT…
Of course, there are exceptions, like if you’re producing “Morning Jo(k)e” on MSNBC where Republicans Reign Supreme… or “Softball,” where it’s Anti-Hillary-all-the-time." - Cowboy Bob in Austin
It reminds of the scene in Man of the Year (One of the only really good things in that movie) when Lewis Black talks about TV is this ridiculous soapbox that has to have two sides to everything. You could be talking about the Holocaust, and on one side, they'd have a history professor with 3 doctorates who wrote his dissertation on Dakkow(sp?) and knows everything there is to know about it, and on the other side they'd have a guy with no college education and a website that says the Holocaust never happened, it's all a Jewish Conspiracy. It's artificial balance. You get a credentialed pundit on one side, and a nut on the other just because they have opposite opinions, but because they're on TV, they're given the same level of credence, they have the same sized box on the tube, so it's just a matter of different opinions. It's all bullshit.
This clip is an excellent example of that phenomena.
chris @ 13:
http://www.arcamax.com/doonesbury/s-328822-956985
Why do I get the impression that when a Democrat takes the White House, Republicans will give terrorists maps and instructions for here?
Well, it's only fair we give equal time to those who think the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.
XM had a great review and discussion on POTUS08
for Body of War.
Now that I look at the picture closer...
The Carlson kid looks frantic, emotional and is lacking in the credibility category.
Tom @ 24:
The reason he is not on tv anymore is very simple. As a matter of fact, I think it is a matter of record. MSNBC could not allow anyone that was asking questions about the war in the prewar period to have a show.
Albatross @ 14:
Well to get the McDonald's spoons, you have to get their shakes.
Tucker reminds me of a little boy who would stamp his feet if he wasn't given what he wants. I truly can't stand him.
P.D. @ 42:
I see him hanging next to Martin Prince, with his wedgie pulled over the coat rack.
Tucker should prove he's not a wimp, by enlisting for duty in Iraq.
Speaking of the media...
They're all in bed with each other...
example....
Carl Cameron, Fox News
--> Pauline Cameron (wife) - she Campaigned for George W. Bush's 2000 election
John Ellis, Fox News
--> George W. Bush (cousin) - In charge of 2000 election projections for Fox News.
Right on Sassy! I remember the run up to the war and if you said anything against King George ,the media would basically throw you to the lions. You were called a traitor. You were in league with the terrorists and all kinds of accusations. Damn. I really don't like to remember.
The concept of honest debate of important issues gets lost in stupid semantic nitpicking
Egad. Amen, Nicolle, a-frickin'-men. Very well put; I am going to remember that one.
Gotta love how Tucker attacks Donohue for not serving in Vietnam... Phil Donohue was born in 1935 and graduated high-school in 1953... right after the Korean war and well before things got out of hand in Vietnam. By the time the Vietnam war heated up and conscriptions began to really happen, Donohue was in his mid 30's, had graduated college, had a wife and five kids. You can't really blame the guy for not walking up to an Army recruiting center in 1968 and asking if he could leave his wife and kids behind to enlist.
Now, Bush and Cheney on the other hand... Bush was born in 1946 and graduated from Yale in 1968 and got Daddy to let him play soldier without actually having to be in danger. Cheney was born in 1941 and he just ducked and ducked from referral to referral (Five, to be exact) in order to avoid Vietnam.
And Tucker... well, he was born in 1969, so being he's going to be out of work soon, he would be eligible for the draft to go to Iraq and put his money where his mouth is... He is also quite capable of enlisting RIGHT NOW to support his dear leader's vision and fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. Private Carlson... bwahahahahaa... he wouldn't even get through basic training.
ysbaddadan, you're right. Except Martin Prince is much smarter, and possesses some charm.
How can you say that? Here you have Donahue (intelligent) pitted against Carlson (stupid as a box of rocks). That's balanced isn't it?.
And I thought MSNBC canceled his show because it sucked. But apparently it's because HE sucked.
chris @ 13:
That "follow us home" is a fear tactic that should maybe work on a second grader(I don't mean you Chris, I know you're a major fucking retard). It just that how can such a ridiculous unfounded phrase realistically scare anyone? It' so insulting and sad the way we have allowed ourselves to be had.
Much of the media and George Bush are THE traitors..
Speaking of.... Alert the Soldiers, Navy Seals, the Marines, the Guard and the Veterans...
On MARCH 14, 2008 Bush Issued an Executive Order to Gut the Espionage Oversight Board.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/03/14/preside...
chris @ 13:
i only hope if they do that youll be thier first stop!!!!!!
Rachel and Phil should have their own shows. Both are absolutely superb. In fact, we have now have several top notch people supporting the progressive side of the issues. It brings back hope, which was in short supply, for far too long. Today marks the one-year anniversary, when my hope began to be restored. It was a year ago when the Bill Moyers special, "Buying The War", aired. I did not expect to ever hear the truth from the media again.
As for Carlson and his ilk, they are a total waste of space.
Bonkers Hussein @ 47:
And once we pick the nit, can we eat them, then fling our poo?
Left&Left @ 52:
Agreed.... and if they "follow us home", we will deal with it by listening to intelligence reports, being vigilant, finding them and kicking their asses.
When did we become such a nation of wimps?
ysbaddaden @ 43:
Close, but Milhouse.
The Smiths is right. Watching Colbert at the correspondant dinner was a highlight for me. The look on the media elites faces was priceless! And to see David Gregory rapping with Karl Rove was enough to make my stomach turn.
Tom @ 24:
Uh, it's a documentary, not a book.
L.A. Confidential @ 32:
This has been going on for quite some time. It was available for the 2004 election cycle if I recall correctly. Nothing new at all...
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think Chris has left the building.
P.S. Tucker is a complete tool, no he's a tool shed.
P.D. @ 49:
Ysbaddaden
I think you're getting it crossed with Roseanne Rosandanna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd_syuD-N_k
ysbaddaden @ 56:
Only at the Bush compound at Thanksgiving.
Tucker is such a pathetic little whining shithole I wish he would just fuck off.
Old Billy Hussein @ 58:
Bingo!
Bango, Bongo and Irving.
Left&Left @ 52:
Oh chris chris chris.
Here's what went on between chris and I on another thread:
Me: You know chris, you sound an awful lot like a douchebag.
chris: Excuse but C&L is a respectable blog and we don’t need that here, now if you can’t contribute to the conversation intellectually then move on….
Me: Oh i take that back. You sound EXACTLY like a douchebag.
Hahaha. Wouldn't be great if a winger like chris would take his own advice and move on when he has nothing of substance to contribute? If he did, he'd never have posted a comment at C&L.
:D
ysbaddaden, I stand corrected.
That's the sole purpose of putting an idiot like Carlson on: to chew up airtime that might otherwise be used intelligently. It's a fear tactic. They are so scared that a guy like Donahue is going to say something that is going to shoot their propaganda memes full of holes, that they resort to this kind of desperation move. It's the equivalent of closing their eyes, plugging their ears and shouting "nanner, nanner, nanner!"....shout him down so we won't have our minds polluted with truth.
Who the hell do they think they are fooling?
I like Abrams. He's not afraid to take someone to task...from either side of the aisle. He certainly has no problem ridiculing the utter lunacy at faux too. Abrams is a very smart man and is a perfect transition following Olbermann.
tucker is an amazing asshat
but did you guys catch the loophole for troop care that mccain is pushing?
"as a result of their service"
the same loophole was used to deny care to nam vets for agent orange and the first gulf war vets
i will say it....mccain hates the troops
chris @ 13:
Nice fact-free reich-wing talking point...but, we wouldn't expect anything less from Chrissy.
Tucker Carlson makes me physically ill. [deleted--do not advocate violence on this site]
Tom @ 24:
Donahue was anti-war from the get go,he was anti war before the word became in fashion. He was antiwar when being antiwar was interpreted by the likes of oreilly,as being unpatriotic. For satansake the man lost his job on msnbc because of him being against bush's war. So what is donahue's sin now to be insulted and calledname by a so called originally and still anti Iraq war? There's some vitriol in your comment tom@24.
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 72:
I'll say it too.
Tucker: "How can you say he hates the troops"
Me: "Hey, Fucko, I'll keep saying it until he wants to spend actual US dollars to pay for their medical care and college educations."
I do give Tucker credit for one thing: He lost the bow tie.
As to Donahue....As much as he'd like to show the world how he "supports the troops" it would have been refreshing had he mentioned the fact that our pre-emptive "shock and awe" campaign against Iraq was an illegal war crime and every soldier who follows illegal orders is ignoring his oath under the UCMJ. It is not only every soldiers Constitutional right to disobey unlawful orders, but a DUTY to do so.
The truth is the truth. Laws are laws. And every treaty we have ever become a signatory to, according to the Constitution, becomes THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.
Had enough soldiers refused the illegal orders and subjected themselves to courts martial, this fiasco would have ended long ago.
Tucker is BLOWING THE PRODUCER... right? He MUST be! This NITWIT has NOTHING to bring to the table (as his failed program is testament to).
ben @ 75:
MSNBC replaced Donahue with the legendary Alan Keyes. Aaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
The sad thing is Paul, they think were stupid, and unfortunity a lot of people I know don't even know who their represenitive is.
Where is Tucker's bowtie?
Did this guy ask for it back?
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Pee-Wee-Herman-Photograph-C10042164.jpeg
sofla @ 48:
From my perspective, no matter what the timelines for any of the three, Tucker is deliberately missing the point, typical disruptive crybaby conservative hack that he is. The point is that Cheney didn't serve, chickened out, but continues to casually throw our boys and girls into the meat grinder. Phil wants to bring them home. Phil could be a full-blown deserter and his point would still be valid, maybe even more so. He didn't fight in 'Nam or anywhere else and he doesn't expect today's soldiers to have their service and potentially their health or their lives thrown away on a pointless and illegal occupation.
That's why Tuckers niggling about on semantics really pisses me off. He is going out of his way to miss the point and change the subject.
I haven't watched yet, but I'm a BIG BIG fan of Phil Donahue (and his lovely wife, Marlo-- please tell me they are still happily married-- not up on the "gossip".) I see he's become an active anti-war campaigner. Hurray! (OK. Now to watch.)
P.D. @ 80:
We're.
Mine, unfortunately, is Pete Sessions, Kay Bailey Hutchison, and John Cornyn (if you count senators).
Left&Left @ 79:
Wow...I actually forgot about that. Of course, his was show was completely unforgettable.
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You can watch an excellent interview online with Phil Donahue and Ellen Spiro on Bill Moyers Journal. They show a lot of clips from the film. I was very impressed with Donahue.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03212008/watch.html
Tucker under normal circumstances would be too old for this Iraq War II: The Sequel, but not the original.
ysbaddaden @ 87:
I don't know. As far as I know, they would take him. I thought the enlistment age was raised to 40 or 41?
RW @ 78:
I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't have the nerve to post it. Lol! Thank You!
What utter dreck from Carlson and Abrams. Carlson does not belong on the airwaves (proof positive, he's blowing the right people.)
{{{13 chris Says}}}: No wonder Donahue is not on tv anymore, when is the left going to learn.. Maybe he wants them to follow us home……
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Lock your door. You still on that old meme??? They're not lost puppies. You and Carlson are two peas in a pod; both pathetic.
As if Fucker Carlson didn't criticize Bill Clinton for not serving/avoiding going to Nam ?
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 85:
Guys before alan keys MSNBC temporarily replaced "Countdown: Iraq," and added Dick Armey, Joe Scarborough, and conservative talk radio personality MICHEAL "Savage Nation" WEINER as a regular host,Donahue's ratings have actually been going upward when the show got canceled,he was actually beating , "Hardball With Chris Matthews."
Edwin Hussein (a boo$h booer) @ 91:
What's crazy is that I have read enough of his posts to think that he may be for real. I hold out hope from time to time that fellas like chris are just trying to be sarcastic, but alas...
Fucker Carlson has no heart,& his pro-war stance is sickening. It appears to not faze him in the least that 4,000 plus troops have died, innocent Iraqi civilians have been killed (the number we will probably never fully know), & that this illegal war is based on the lies of Bush, Cheney, & other neocons. Carlson is wrong when he says that we don't have a responsibility to help the Iraqi people. The Bush administration, chose to have this war, they broke Iraq, & they should be forced to fix it. Unfortunately they have broken Iraq so completely at this point there is nothing we can do to fix it, & all that staying does is cost the lives of more Americans & Iraqis. Carlson support for fascism, greed, murder, & war show him for what he is a court jester who grins & laughs when confronted with the list of crimes commited by his neocan masters.
After seeing Donohue on 'Verdict" last night, I realized how much I had forgotten just how good this guy was and how much he is missed in the daily national dialogue.
C'mon back to TV Phil! All of your successors have either forgotten or never learned how to bring attention to an issue!
chris @ 13:
Because Donahue , unlike Fat Fuck Limpballs , Fucker Carlson , Shitt Fumes , Dildo O'Lielly , She-Yawn Insanity and all the other GOP backing talking-head douchebags realizes any invasion made with under a couple of billion enemy invaders , would be folly of the highest order...........
BTW
Don't worry chris , you GOP/Chimpy nut hugging stooge ; we'll even protect your bitch ass (not that you're worth it)
Old Billy Hussein @ 74:
Oh, I wasn't advocating anyone do it. I was just saying I'd like to. But, your site. Can't have us looking like a whole bunch of raving, mad leftists, I suppose.
Tucker is a waste of airtime...shit, he's a waste of air. And I thought they sent him back to his mama's house?!
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Yup. He's only in it as long as he can save his own ass.
tyree @ 54:
I worry more about drunken rednecks following me home...
drunken NFL cheerleaders, on the other hand.... XD
I think MSNBC knows full well Tucker sucks. He probably has a contract and since they cancelled his show they have to pay him anyway. Therefore, they are trying to get something out of him for their money and he has to do these appearances to get his money. They are probably hoping he will get tired of doing these shows and quit and therefore they get out of paying him.
Whew! For a minute there, I thought I was going to plow through that entire clip without experiencing that sublime pleasure that can only come from hearing Tucker go into his patented shrill mode. But he came through. When it comes to being almost supernaturally annoying, Old Tucker always comes through.
MCMetal @ 97:
That's the best thing about being a neocon coward:
You can spend as much time as you want snarking, prevaricating, lying, wasting others' time, money, and lives, but as soon the liberals (for lack of a better blanket term) are in charge, your ass is covered and you still have all your rights intact.
They threw Donahue off of MSNBC because he opposed the Iraq debacle in 2003. If he comes back I will return to MSNBC since he has the one voice of reason that is worth listening to. The others, with the exception of Rachel Maddow, are tools. Phil provided contrast to those of us who challenged the right to go there and now he is being vindicated. It took awhile but it happened.
{{{68 miss_kitty Hussein Says}}}:
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The kitty that roars.
Bonkers Hussein @ 104:
Because rights and the rule of law apply to everyone , or they apply to no one .........
Remember that chris , you GOP/Chimpy backing anti-American turd , when Chimpy and Co are on trial at the 21st century equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials.
{{{76 Old Billy Hussein Says}}}: uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 72:
i will say it….mccain hates the troops
... I’ll keep saying it until he wants to spend *actual US dollars to pay for their medical care and college educations.”
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By *actual, do you mean instead of the worthless paper you now possess??
Tucker "Let me run grab my buddy to help me beat up the gay guy who came onto me" Carlson isn't fit to even be in the same room with Phil Donahue.
Crossfire didn't die, it metastasized into the fundamental structure of the cancer that cable news has turned into.
I saw this segment. Tucker was actually defending Cheney when Phil called him a wimp. Pretty disgusting. Discarded Tucker has hit rock bottom. Phil can more then hold his own with pip squeaks like Tucker. Check out his interview on the O'Reilly Factor a year or two ago. Billo met his match. It was great.
Geo @ 4:
I had sort of warmed to Dan lately, but asking Tucker to be opposite Donahue did it for me. I'll be looking around for a new program in that time slot. Why did he even need to have an opposing point of view in that segment and if he HAD to why choose such a little creep like Tucker.
tanglewood @ 5:
What I can't figure out is WHY THIS UNINFORMED IDIOT IS STILL ON MSNBC!!! can I have his job MSNBC?? I would have loved to join in with Phil Donahue and help him TELL THE REAL TRUTH! God, Carrlson's going to make it so I don't WATCH MSNBC!! What a MORON!
{{{109 Ruthless People Says}}}: Tucker “Let me run grab my buddy to help me beat up the gay guy who came onto me”
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As a "member of the committee", I found that exchange extremely puzzling: it screamed closet case to me. I have a fair amount of contempt for closet cases; they hurt the rest of us. Tucker, be a man. Come out.
God I miss Phil Donahue ... true liberal in every sense of the word ... when he had his talk show and did shows on view mail his producers would only read the letters that criticized his show ... at the end he would read just one good letter about the show ...
... true liberal ... a rare thing now a days ...
I'm glad Donahue called out the mainstream media. That happened what 2-3 times in these last 8 years? TV is truly now just a brainwashing/propaganda device.
more phil please!!!
Just when you thought it was safe to watch MSNBC again they bring this dumb ass back . He has no credentials no personality and no fucking brains. Of course Cheney is a wimp and a coward just like Tucker and by the way why isn't he serving ,there are women dying in this war older than him so what is his excuse ? Jon stewart was right Tucker is and always will be a worthless dick
Pretty much everything that can be said, has been said about little tucker. I'll just add my 2 cents by saying he is the most pathetic male-bitch I've ever seen. I just wish I could QUIT seeing him. Let him go away...like she-man. They are of no use to the debate.
Up from the ranks of the young republicans, the GOP carefully polished this little turd to a high gloss along with the help of msn. years of training, how to tell lies bold faced, how to hide blame and point to someone else, how to split people apart over race,sex,god and other non-issues, how to create non-issues and then use them as a base to attack or defend as needed. tucker may be polished, he may glow like the rest of the worms, he may give off more of a white glare than mccains skin, but in the lite of day he is just a piece of shit! Why is this young war mongering little son of a bitch not in Iraq serving with the heros of our country? does he have a pimple on his butt that keeps him from shooting a gun? Will the army not take him because hes gay?,missing a foot? too stupid to pass test? I think the reason is...lets see whats the word iam looking for...oh yea.. Chicken Shit! All the people talking up war are far to frightened to put their ass where their mouth is. Egg-suck little pussy should have been with first boots on the ground along with love ones and family of everybody in congress who voted duh-ok on war. a bunch of fuckin skunks!
Sir tucker , protector of the troops and honor needs to realize while he's defending McSame that " CARING for the TROOPS " starts BEFORE , BEFORE sending them to a goddamn unwarranted war , some say ILLEGAL . " Caring for the TROOPS " demands that after you even ADMIT all reasons for invading Iraq were WRONG and made up , demands you do EVERYTHING you can to BRING THEM HOME and not continue to get them and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed . So Sir Tucker , while you profess such a noble stand while defending the war mongers , which really means defending your PARTY no matter WHAT , because that's more important than a principle stand and ending the useless carnage . But Tucker who condescendingly criticized Phil Donahue for not going to Vietnam was such a nonsensical and ignorant statement because HE was AGAINST the Vietnam war , so who joins a war they are against .
The Better question Tucker the lapdog for U.S. foreign policy and the Republican first and U.S. citizen second , WHY are you not joining the reserves for the war YOU support and picking up a M-16 and YOU fight for the cause YOU believe in , but you won't because you don't have the testicular fortitude or might I say the BALLS to stand for what you believe in . But since the ONLY stand you will take is to protect your criminal republican party , that gave the orders for the blood shed to start , or at least your masters George Bush and Dick Cheney , in addition to the guy that SHOULD have learned a LESSON from War , should have learned the out come of WAR , and since the Gulf of Tonkin was an admitted LIE , should know better to even consider to continue the occupation and killing in Iraq . Yes john McCain's commitment to an AGGRESSIVE militaristic foreign policy seems to be a higher priority over not only what Iraqis want , the end of the U.S. OCCUPATION of THEIR country, but what the American people want .
chris @ 13:
Like Lassie. Fuck, you're dumb.
Poor little political whore tucker. He had no rational response so he just resorted to the ad hominem attacks.
That's it!, I'm so sick and tired of flag waving, warmongering,Toby Keith music loving rethuglicans. I've served in the Army for 20 yrs., and if any of these chicken hawks were ever pressed into service, I would probably have to frag them to keep them from crying and or crapping in their pants, so I can complete the mission. Here is a thought, the age requirements for military service has been raised to age 50. Every able bodied supporter of this war should go volunteer for service. But they won't do it because they have the backbone of a jelly fish. It amazes me how they are able to stand up. But I do have a heart, so please donate to help alleviate the new affliction affecting Rethuglicans MWMC(Men with menstrual cycles)
Tucker, in his whiny, apple polisher voice, talks to Donahue about wimps. That's rich. He oughta take a look at what Donahue was doing during Vietnam, the snot nosed little brat. And he can go to Iraq to fight for his beliefs, but i think he's like Mittens Romney's little boys, he's going on CNN and doing his part for the war that way. Go Tucker
Abrams is a cruel man to pit lil'Tucker against Phil. A moral giant vs a pygmy bowtie.
Way to go!
Donohue could have said, "Look at us, Tucker. Two failed television hosts.
You, because nobody was watching, me because too many people were watching."
To be fair, Donahue needed a connie to steamroll and Carlson played the role of patsy perfectly. We should salute him in his roll of whipping boy since he is now the Colmes of MSNBC.
For the neocons prowar zombies,this is a sore subject.They seem so tough in the confort of their homes.But deep inside they know they are cowards,all of them,from their leaders to their naz basters who support them.Fucking cowards.
Psychologically McCain is still back in Vietnam trying to get even for the trauma he suffered there.
MSNBC cancelled Tucker's show because viewers chose to go elsewhere. What do they think happens when he continues to turn up five times a week on Hardball or The Verdict or some ill-conceived Tim Russert panel?
esm @ 86:
I listened to the interview and was very impressed myself. Looking forward to the documentary
Someone might mention to Tucker that Donahue's war record is immaterial to the discussion since he isn't sending American troops to perpetrate and perpetuate a genocide before falling on the sword themselves. Bush AND Cheney, however, are doing precisely that, yet both of them bought their way out of V.N., and one refused drug testing then went AWOL from the cushie Stateside gig his daddy bought him. Stick to the topic, Tucker; or, do you believe, erroneously, you have bested someone if impugn or cast doubt on their behavior, regardless of the irrelevance to the discussion. Reminds me of, "Yeh, and your mother wears combat boots!"; or, has the level of maturity of, "I know you are, but what am I?", and, "I'm rubber and you're glue, . . . " Carlson, grow up already. You behave like a prepubescent forty-something.
Donahue rocks! I wish we could see more of him on teevee.
Bloody beautiful. Donahue hits it like very few I have EVER seen.
I especially loved the "got the last one!" and blowing the smoke from the gun - line. So true. As though we can incarcerate and/or kill all 'terrorists.'
Hoooooooorah!
Phil Donahue is awesome! He is such a timeless truth-teller!
In retrospect, if we don't listen to him, then we think that "staying the course" and the surge in Iraq are working like Nixon's "secret plan" in Vietnam.
My dog is smarter and more informed than Tucker. Tucker is a complete putz.
chris @ 13:
You mean like the 19 hijackers on September 11. You don't even make sense on the most basic of levels!
When are we going to learn? It is your type (Chris) who are going to "learn" in the coming years when the right-wing nutbags get canned, is that there was a concerted effort by the corporations to employ wingnuts only, in an Orwellean attempt to stifle truth, and quash desenting opinions in this country.
Look at Beck's numbers, and the salary he gets for those pathetic ratings.
Almost unbearable to see Donohue paired with Tucker. It's like Cinderella out on the town with a frog that never transforms into the prince. Yuck!
Now that everyone is screaming to end the war -- except Bush -- we'll probably see more of Donohue. I hope they bring him back. Rosie O'Donnell is making the rounds on TV as well.
Just had to add this tidbit:
Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson...that's his full name. Are you ready for his brother's name? Drumroll please....Buckley Swanson Peck Carlson. Ta-da!
At one point, he was "falsely accused" of rape. Coming from a well-to-do family, I'm sure helped him escape the charge. I guess my nickname for Tucker is right on...
Who needs to watch soap operas when reality gives you all the drama you can handle...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson
chris @ 13:
Chris: your an idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
carlson is so beneath contempt.
boy if you want a perfect example of how f*** up this country is...
we have a guy who not too long ago was hosting shows with subjects like: Women who cheat on men who think they are men in love with women who think they are men and the men who love them...on the next Donahue!...telling us how corporate media is the devil and how right he is...so thick with irony it bleeds red white and blue.
fedup @ 142:
I second that!
The firing of Phil Donahue by MSNBC illustrates what a professional network it is. Did Abrams begin with an apology to Phil? You see, MSNBC preferred Tweety Matthews and Tucker Carlson and Don Imus to Phil Donahue.
SEE VIDEO and Help the antiwar efforts of Tomas Young and others, pas it on to others.
Promoting this film helps the antiwar movement. I interviewed Phil Donahue in this Representative Press Video, please help amplify his efforts and my efforts, get this video to others. It is important that good crowds show up at the theaters. WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9 the movie is showing in NY and Donahue and the co-director will be there. Spread the word.
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I want Phil Donahue's appearance in my video to have been productive so I am really trying to get this video maximum exposure.
Everyone still talks about American blood vs. other blood. We are all one blood. The blood cost should not be measured in numbers of this vs. that, but in toto.
That said, so wonderful to hear Phil Donahue and so excited to hear about his film.
-Ariadne (formerly selmo7)
Left&Left @ 9:
You just listed my favorites for the list of newly "imbedded reporters" for Iraq duty.
Let these aholes dodge bullets for a while, meet some of the people they wish to spend billions more to kill more of, perhaps if they were involved in a war they might actually understand the abhorence of it, though it didn't seem to have that effect on McInsane.
Tazed Silence @ 149:
I would like to add Charles Krauthaumer to the list to be sent to Iraq. We could armor plate his wheelchair.
Did anyone see Donahue on Hannity and Colmes last night. Hannity is a real dip shit and Colmes is such a wimp. Hannity really looked stupid last night and before Donahue was about to destroy Hannity, Colmes broke in with nothing to really add and then they broke into a commercial. Agggg.
Donahue was great here and we should hear more from him. In contrast, Carlson is a useless twit who should GO AWAY ALREADY. He adds nothing to the conversation.
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