Phil Donahue to Hannity: 'So you are arguing that we are safer that we attacked Iraq?'
By John Amato Tuesday Apr 08, 2008 1:00pm
OK, Hannity is total idiot. I know you know that, I do. I know you know it. I do......
Hannity: It's not that any of us on the conservative side like war, Phil.
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Has he checked his stock portfolio lately? Let's grab his good pal Joe Liebermann or the neocon's main man, Bill Kristol.
War, war, war. Ahhh, say it loud with me now. W-A-R!
Hannity: Nobody wants to see innocent people die. We don't want to see our neighbor's lose their legs and suffer for the rest of their lives.
Could he be talking about the thousands of innocent Iraqis that have lost their lives and limbs in this war? A man like Hannity would never think about something as humane as that.
So you are arguing that we are safer that we attacked Iraq?
You're darn right. Absolutely.
We are safer?
Yes. And it was the right thing to do.
And we'll be even safer when we bomb Iran, hmmm?
Well it all depends. blah, blah, blah...
Listen, I have to post these GOP mouthies that get their material from Drudge/Limbaugh/Rove and Co. because that's one of the major reasons why our nation is so screwed up. Controlling the messaging has been imperative to the wingnut cause. They hate it that we can fight back now...
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Do you think we are safer?
I mean a no BS answer yes or no?
By "fighting back," do you mean:
a) the quaint, make-believe idea tha blogs are accomplishing anything for progressives, or have halted any of Bush's policies?
b) the spineless and ineffectual democratic majority? or
c) the coming election that Dems are working very hard at losing?
Clarify please!
Curtix@1
Your not safe and you will never be safe. Life goes on.
It never ceases to amaze. Obtuse doesn't even come close to describing these clowns. How can attacking a country that had nothing to do with the attack of 9/11 make us safer? It seems so obvious that it has caused al Qaeda to be able to recruit more people I guess Hannity didn't learn anything from being a schoolyard bully
Safer??? How are we safer I would like to know. We are deeper in debt! We are hated around the world! But how are we safer? Hanity is one crazy dude!!!!
Funny, I don't feel safe knowing that the United States has little to no ground forces available in reserve for anything else. Having a reserve force might be helpful since the Bush Administration has managed to piss off most of the world with their Iraq invasion and other actions.
Safer from whom, Sean?
Wanted to watch the whole clip. Unfortunately, as soon as I heard Hannity start with how he believes "Fascism is evil" I had to turn it off. Can this man go more than ten words without lying?
And if I knock that hornet's nest off from under the eaves of your house, I can claim you're safer in that respect, too.
Except for the pissed off hornet buzzing around your yard ... but don't bother me with details.
We were buddies with Saddam when he gassed the Kurds. Then, decades later, we avenged the Kurds by ousting Saddam. Then we let Turkey bomb the crap out of them a few months ago without batting an eyelash. I guess it's OK to kill the Kurds when you're an ally, but after the fact we have the right to use it as justification for invading your country.
I don't feel very confident any of the right-wing actually gives a damn about the Kurds. Am I wrong?
Nice going, Phil: If Hannity was in a barrel today on his way
over Niagara Falls I would feel safer otherwise I guess not.
Shadowgm Hussein @ 9:
I don't know, I think it's really more like sending your children to babysit the damaged nest and try to keep the hornets as pets.
God these Faux News people are crazy! Honestly, they think if they repeat something lokng enough it will become true! Why is Donahue on Hannity's show anyway? What a friggin joke!
Hannity only likes to see guilty people die.
According to Al-Qaeda the people in the Trade Center were guilty.
Therefore Hannity likes Al-Qaeda.
When do I get my own tv show?
Hannity is insane, seeming more concerned about Israel than Amerrka. Israel can take care of itself very well.
Hannity, OLiely, Limpballs are all losing it. They have built up this whole right-wing mania, only to see it come crashing down. They have backed themselves into a corner and alienated every moderate and progressive with their hatred for anything beside their rigid views. If there was any justice the Repugs will be out of power for decades.
I always wondered why Sean Hannity didn't enlist. He's the right age. He BELIEVES in the war. Perhaps, just perhaps, he is simply the next generation of the "Dick '5 deferments' Cheney style" of Warmongering chickensh**t ...
I still say contact their sponsors and stop buying their products.
I've heard Sean Hannity say that we need a war like World War II. That our current generation hasn't had a chance to show their mettle.
AQI is an evil empire?
I bet Bush's buddy René Préval down in Haiti isn't feeling any safer. After all, just yesterday I read that a riot made up of Haitians angry at the rise in inflation stormed the Haitian Presidential Palace. I bet René Préval was calling his good buddy Bush for aid. So Bush got on the telephone and ordered troops to Haiti to prop up his stooge and the reply from the U.S. military Command Staff was "What troops Mr. President? You've committed them all to the Middle East you moron."
Hannity may be safer, but it's because his salary went up and he can afford a higher wall around his gated community. Meanwhile, in the real world...
Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler, Islamofascism is the new nazism and criticism of Israel (or zionism) is the new antisemitism. Good vs Evil. America is Good and pure, free from guilt. Leader of the free world bla bla bla and they who oppose America are Evil.
So sick of these ignorant fools who never ask the question WHY
Hannity can't shut up, because then he would have to listen.
"Can't win this one chum...
In Sean Hannity's world, if you give a child a gun, and that child shoots someone, then you're blameless.
Woah dang, John. You have no idea how many times I heard that phrase growing up in Texas (aimed at welfare, immigrants, and "librals" or course).
You wouldn't happen to be a Republican spy now, would you? :D
I am SO glad that FOX is not broadcast Via satellite to S.E. Asia. The Administrations acts alone are more embarrassing than most of us can take over here as it is broadcast over CNNInternational, but having FOX also?
Many days I am glad I speak Italian.
It's disturbing that while people are being murdered in the horror that is occupied Iraq, the only "debate" on the subject goes on between ineffectual tv bobbleheads. And most people don't even watch THAT much.
The rest of the noise we get comes from the war house and it's occupants who are trying to find a subtle way to tell the US population to go fuck itself so they can trot off and bomb another foreign nation that has no connection to the world trade bombings [remember that? The supposed reason for all of this?]
Ahmadinejad never said anything about "wiping Isreal off the face of the map." Hannity won't know the truth if it slapped him up side the face!
Go here to see what Ahmadinejad actually said:
http:www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/
I'm surprised Hannity didn't use the argument that we're feeding them Americans to kill there, so they won't kill Americans here.
galmud @ 23:
And that's only if you happen to be on OUR side.
Good for Phil for not letting Hannity talk him down. Has Hannity even seen any part of the film?
I have a feeling if Hannity has teen aged kids he'd be one of the first ones to raise hell if the draft were reinstated. War might not seem such a grand idea to him then.
O'Liely and Limpballs and Hannity are nothing but rich, elite WASPS who pretend to be the average Joe. The have not wanted for nothing for a long time. They call themselves true patriots, but when it comes down to helping the average Americans with a array of programs, they scream socialism! Not only are these guys for dismantling Social Security they are against any regulation of programs that protect the Middle Class. They are frauds.
pissed off patricia @ 32:
I don't see how the draft isn't coming, if we want to keep Halliburton pumping Iraqi oil.
Totally off topic. Does anyone know what is happening to icasualties.org. Everytime I go there from any computer, I get forwarded to some random website. I've sent them an email when this started happening over the weekend, but haven't heard from them. It ONLY happens to their website and I've tried to get on from 4 different computers. Anyone else having this problem?
Correct web address: http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/
I guess if they don't LOVE us; they are evil. If they have a different opinion they are evil. They MIGHT do this; they MIGHT do that. And of course American never does anything less than perfect. Hannity has an emotional sense he is safer. But its fraudulent. We might have heard Phil Donahue earlier if they right wing had not taken him off the air. Shame.
Hannity: It’s not that any of us on the conservative side like war, Phil.
Of course chicken-hawks never do.
That's why the send everybody else's kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZgHH72G8wQ
Rick Massimo @ 7:
Safer from the enraged citizenry!
Weaseldog @ 34:
If they want a war with Iran where will they get the soldiers to fight it? Fighting three wars at one time would break our soldiers in half. They just can't do it. Mess with Iran and watch the Iranian rested soldiers move over the border into Iraq like ants from a disturbed anthill.
Bravo. That almost brought tears to my eyes.
Surprised Inannity actually gave Donahue the last word. Must be an Irish thing.
Hannity is a waste of space.
Hannity is such a tool, as is O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, et al. God help us from these people who have such sway over the masses of the Right. But then again, people on the Right don't think, don't want to think, and certainly don't want to hear anything that will make them think. All they want is to be told that 'Murica is the greatest and we'll kick anybody's asses who thinks otherwise.
hannity is one insane asshole, dumb as a rock.
Listen, I realize that this is Hannity's schtick. He is paid to be a right-wing nutjob and say very idiotic things to keep those morons over 60 in line, but since when is it the USA's responsibility to fight wars for Israel? He talks about bombing Iran and Hamas before they get us, WTF! If we used that logic in 1962 during Cuban Missle Crisis, there would not be a USA today!
Phil has still got it. Come back with a daily show.
Ellen @ 35:
It took almost 3 minutes but the site did open for me.
Maybe a backbone provider is trying out metering on particularly troubling website.
"conservatives" don't like war?! Maybe regular working people who call themselves "conservative" (never understood the phenomenon), because regular people are the ones who fight the wars, but the "conservative" cheerleaders in the media can't get enough of it. They and their kids don't fight the wars, they just profit off of them and sell them to the public to guarantee their profits and power. Might sound cliché, but it's the truth.
If we KILL enough A-rabs, we will eventually achieve peace.
When our country is the brink of an economic collapse, there is your proof that this "war" did not protect us.
What terrifies me is the easy glibness with which guys like Sean Hannity throw around the word "evil" - like their saying it makes it so. Most people are neither truly good, nor evil, but their actions (which are often taken without sufficient thought or out of fear and ignorance) might be...do you think Sean Hannity has the personal courage to examine some of the actions of our government and our allies, to see if there's any "evil" there?
Does abandoning Afghanistan to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban after it was no longer politically expedient to prop up the country against the Soviets seem a little...EVIL to you?
Does England's imperialist restructuring of existing borders in Mesopotamia, throwing three ethnically and religiously diverse communities into one crazy melting pot we now call "Iraq", just because it was economically and politically convenient for them seem a little...EVIL?
Does our knee-jerk, uncritical, unquestioning support for Israel, while blithely ignoring the deplorable treatment of Palestinian Arabs (not ALL of whom are terrorists) at the hands of the Israelis seem...well...you get the point.
People aren't usually evil, Mr. Hannity. ACTIONS are. And when you invoke "evil people" to justify your actions, I wonder immediately about the quality of those actions.
No one wants to see innocent people die? No one wanted lives to be counted. No one wanted the consequences to be considered. No one wanted to show the flag draped coffins on television. No one wanted to see the rodent infested hospitals. Don't argue the cost, don't discuss the the waste and the profiteering. Cover from our eyes the torture and abuse. Speak not of the debasement of what it means to be an American. Then it will be as though all those things never happened.
Paint us a pretty picture. Give us the good news, purple fingers, whitewashed schools.
Weaseldog @ 34:
Conservatives may be venal, but they're not stupid. They know the draft is the one thing that would awaken the twenty-somethings.
Right now, the average middle class kid can safely stroll a campus's tree shaded walks while blacks and poor whites serve in the military. Take that away and we'd have the sixties all over again.
Why do you think Charlie Rangel suggested reviving the draft and Rummy said it wasn't going to happen. The beast is docile right now. They can go to Obama rallies and think they're activists, but march on Washington? Get real dude. LOL bitterly
Sean Hannity = Turd Blossom
jnratliff @ 44:
Let us pray
He passes
A kidney stone.
pissed off patricia @ 40:
Illegals,
With the offer of naturalization.
These insane CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS are only continueing in their historic atrocities against other major religions. More of the same. These insane Christian baby killers think that Islam is going to take over the world and that their Christian death cult will die out. THAT'S what these insane terrorists are raping, slaughtering, and torturing innocent people for. These piles of terrorist shit think they can stop the Islamic death cult which is just as crazy and insane as Christianity is.
Bedwetter Hannity: Iran "threatens" to blow Isreal off the map. Bush actually blows Iraq off the map, so who has proven to pose the greater threat to world peace and stability, Bush or Iran? JA said it but I'll concur, Hannity is a idiot. A bedwetting, reactionary idiot.
I thought Hannity was going to shut up and let Phil talk? The bedwetter interrupted Phil the whole time.
Bedwetter Hannity confuses blaming America with blaming Bush. I blame Bush and the GOP, not America. Most Americans blame Bush and the GOP, not America. Hannity and his fellow conservatives pose the greatest threat to America and the world. Modern day little nazis the lot of them.
Democratsrule @ 45:
Morons over 60??? I guess there aren't any young or midde-aged morons.
pissed off patricia @ 40:
I agree. People like Hannity actually think that bombing the Iranian infrastructure, military bases, and nuclear facilities will only result in Iranian loses. They never can see that a very fast retaliation and escalation by Iran will follow especially with ground forces. If that were to occur, ALL national guard, reserve, and remaining active duty ground and support forces in the United States will have to be deployed. There will be no tours of duty. They will have to remain there, permanently. All forces will have to be drawn from other areas of the world as well. That will probably be followed by at least a full mobilization of IRR and others possibly in still in training (full MOB). A draft will then follow after that.
I saw this crap last night and was cheering for Donahue. After he gave O'Reilly hell last year he disappeared. He is the only one that can handle the bullshit Hannity and Tucker spew out. FOX always has these wimpy "liberals" on their show who give a weak argument, just so FOX can say they are fair and balanced. I loved how he asked about who sets the agenda for their newscasts. Hannity got real quiet. As soon as he had Hannity on the ropes, Colmes butted in with some weak bull. I was ready for the knockout and Colmes saved Hannity. He is such a wimp. So is Mika on Joe Scarborough and Juan Williams. I hope to see more of Donahue. A strong liberal is hard to find.
Hannity isn't just an idiot....he's a liar, he's a racist, he's a bigot...
Basically his 'on air' persona isn't an act....that's how he really is...
All of the qualities of a worthless right wingnut....scourge of the 20th century...soon to be extinct....
Trust me, give it 3 more generations....con-servative won't be something people will be happy or willing to describe themselves as...
I would love to watch this clip, but my desire to
bash Hannity in his queer-lookin' little face overcomes me and
I might hurt myself or someone close to me.
Oh, and lest someone get upset, by queer I mean ODD.
OTT but necessary.
For the love of god, click through this link and vote uber-idiot Ace of Spades down.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1725323_1725329_1...
It only goes down to 1, which I think is unfair.
Democratsrule @ 45:
Listen, I realize that this is Hannity’s schtick. He is paid to be a right-wing nutjob and say very idiotic things to keep those morons over 60 in line, but since when is it the USA’s responsibility to fight wars for Israel? He talks about bombing Iran and Hamas before they get us, WTF! If we used that logic in 1962 during Cuban Missle Crisis, there would not be a USA today!
Morons over 60??? I guess there aren’t any young or midde-aged morons.
Sorry Norma,
Dont mean to imply "all" over 60, but the fact is that the vast majority of Fox viewers are over 60.
hussein lover (aka right wing hater) @ 62:
Actually Hannity makes some good point, evil happens and someone has to confront it. Iran it not getting any weaker, we have to do something. It best to have a democracy in the area so it can spread as well as spread free trade..
let em say it again. more phil please!!!! hannity had his @$$ handed to him.
Arguments can run both ways. So, what would be wrong with Iran bombing Israel or even the US? Or any other country could just bomb the US with the rational that it will make them safer from American Imperialism? After all, wouldn't Americans then just be collateral damage, as Iraqi civilians have been?
You cheapen the lives of the innocents of your "enemies", don't be surprised the lives of your own citizens will be viewed just as cheaply by the other side in the future.
These neocons have a hard lesson to learn in the near future. Too bad so many Americans will have to pay the price for it. But oh well, it's all just collateral damage, right?
I'd be willing to bet that NOT ONE of Sean Hannity's neighbors has lost a limb or died in Iraq.
pissed off patricia @ 40:
You're using logic and reason again. Those don't apply in the US government.
galmud @ 23:
Exactly! You're right, asking "why" would unfortunately require them to care about the answer.
chris @ 66:
And if you can't find evil, just lie about it. It's not like the proles will know the difference.
chris @ 66:
Iran has not attacked another county in over on hundred years. As opposed to American chickenhawks who can't go one hundred months without trying to attack another country.
P.D. @ 16:
If by decades you mean forever, then I'm with you. Unfortunately, most Dems belong with them too.
"One" not "on." Oops.
Once again Hannity shows he is a pompus ass.
What was with the arm folding after he asked his question to Phil? How does this asshole still have a "news debate" show?
But I would also say "Phil! Don't be so quick to shake the hand of thoe Colms, he is only there to validate his piece O' shit counter-part."
chris @ 66:
It's a mistake to believe that 'something' = 'military force,' or that democracy is as simple as toppling a regime we don't like and holding elections.
And you need to brush up on your history - we've meddled in both Iraq as well as Iran, and then have the balls to say 'we have to do something!' Democracy? Free trade? Pfeh. Be honest - it's about 'our' oil under 'their' sand.
Weaseldog @ 70:
Oops sorry. I need to go to Logic Users Anonymous. I keep trying to clean up my act but sometimes I fall off the wagon.
Hey, what happened? The site just forgot all my info like name, email and website. One minute it was there and then it was gone. Oh I hope I don't have to type that stuff in every time I want to comment.
78 pissed off patricia
Happens to me too, fortunately my nom de'guerre's easy to spel.
pissed off patricia @ 78:
Your not the only one. It did it to me to.
*just rec'd this information from a faux noise insider*
here is the not-to-be-publicized sean hannity checklist on just what constitutes a "safer" america:
--an overstretched armed forces
--international isolation
--$111/barrel oil
--increased acts of terrorism
--increased terror recruiting
--thousands of dead americans, iraqis, and various other nationalities
--creating a foothold for al qaeda where on did not previously exist
--the rise in power and influence of iran
--the reduction of american influence
wow, sean has some fucked up ideas about what it means to be safe, eh?
Shadowgm Hussein @ 77:
Yep, they have it we need it end of story, welcome to political realism son..........
ysbaddaden @ 38:
begging your pardon, but this song has more teeth for your argument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woyvGwGNGSo
chris @ 66:
grrrrrrrrrrrrr... i have tried to bite my tongue, i have tried to ignore, i have tried to starve the troll... but i have gone over the edge.
"evil happens"...?
dude, get a fucking clue.
our invasion of iraq has made iran stronger. of course iran is not getting 'any weaker', when our policy is making them stronger.
and we do NOT support democracy. we don't. i know you like to think that we do, but you need to wake up. again, wake. up.
your grasp of our foreign policy is straight from the back of a fruit loops box. and, no, tucan sam is not the sec'y of state.
It's hilarious when Fat-Ass Fattity shows his ultimate stupidity and ignorance over and over.
chris @ 82:
"Son"? Unless you're over fifty, I don't think so.
You presume we have a right to this oil because ...? It's not like America is the only nation using oil.
"Political realism" is shorthand for "I'm too lazy to think of alternatives."
Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 26:
I'm WEEKLY STANDARD Spy! hahaha
83 Verdillac Says
begging your pardon, but this song has more teeth for your argument:
_________________________________________________________________
Gummy McGee, that's me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcpXpQx9aLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_LjjI8TcQ0
Liar! You ghouls love war and the obscene amounts
of money you make from it. Especially when others
lose their lives doing the dirty work for your chicken
shit asses.
fiver @ 73:
I know I will be feeding the Chris troll, but the irony of it all... is that Iran is the only "Democracy" in the gulf region. As far as an Islamic Republic can be considered a democracy. Anyhow, I guess what Right Wing Trolls mean by "democracy" is "puppet regime."
Also, a country which does not have direct representation/election of presidents (Electoral College, hello?). And which can't even get their indirect voting system straight (2000/2004 general elections, again hello?). Should focus on its own issues before being concerned about "spreading democracy and freedom."
What really pisses me off about idiots like Chris and his ilk, is that they trumpet this whole "safety" bullshit. As if they were doing us all a favor. Yet, in the past decade... a few thousand Americans have die due to terrorist attacks. Compare that to the millions of Americans that have died during the same frame time due to things like Cancer. And when you consider that if we had sink all the money we wasted in Iraq into a decent health care system. Consider that we could have the best health care system in the world, instead of wasting it on bombing a country which did nothing to us, so that we can syphon our hard earned tax dollars (and borrowed money) to a bunch of incontinent parasites like W and Cheney's pals.
When you consider things like that, you start to get the magnitude of the inhumanity and sheer perversion of degenerates like Chris.
"Actually Hannity makes some good point, evil happens and someone has to confront it. Iran it not getting any weaker, we have to do something. It best to have a democracy in the area so it can spread as well as spread free trade."
If evil "happens" why do we give the more military aid to the country (Colombia) than anyone else in Latin America, who has the worse human rights record in the entire hemisphere (by a mile)? If threatening Israel is a justification to bomb Iran then why does the administration say and do nothing about Saudi Arabia? It makes NO logical sense, at all. We also don't spread free trade, we spread "free trade", which is investor rights agreements. It amounts to corporate protectionism, and it protects corporations from completion, the workings of democracy, responsibility for the costs they create, etc. We also have not spread democracy to Iraq. To look at what we've done to Iraq (attempting to cancel their elections, forcing economic policies on them that they didn't chose and don't want, attempting multiple times to privatize their oil even though 80% of the country is against it, etc) and call it a democracy is ridiculous. It's propaganda, fact-less propaganda.
Honestly, is there a reason why you don't question what you're told? I mean, if what they're saying is logically ridiculous, what stops you from questioning the nonsense?
Hannity is making $25M a year being a Bush Whore.
War = ratings.
Its nice to see Donahue back in the debate.
Its been controlled for faaaaaaaar to long by nincompoops like Hannity.
How is it possible that the worst, most viscious criminal element imaginable is controlling the AMERICAN government?
Worse yet, how could we let that happen?
Because we SUCK, that's how.
Could be please TRY to not suck so bad for a little while?
PLEASE?
The Dude @ 90:
When you talk about the "best health care system in the world" I think what you mean is Socialism, you don't want to pay for it so someone else should, sorry but you need to take some responsibility for yourself. Anyway, encase you forgot we were attacked on 9/11 giving people a free medical ride is not going to get rid of the enemy......
How has killing tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children made us safer?
1. Zawahiri wants to attack Iran for supporting al-Maliki's government and the Badr Brigade. Zawahiri's goals and Bush's are the same, though for different reasons.
2. Al Qaeda has a safe haven for operations in Pakistan's northwestern territory. Bin Laden is still alive.
3. World terrorism has increased significantly since the US invasion of Iraq. See the State Dept.'s Worldwide Terrorism report.
4. Our military is spread thin, we're losing troops and spending billions every month with no clear mission or withdrawal plan. Our focus on Iraq has damaged our military readiness, hurt our economy and allowed al Qaeda to reorganize. The Iraq war has eroded our capabilities to go after al Qaeda.
5. The Taliban is gaining strength in Afghanistan. Taliban forces now control much of southern Afghanistan and are threatening Kabul.
6. Non-essential US embassy staff were told to evacuate Yemen due to al Qaeda attacks.
7. Iraq's Green Zone is under increasing attack from Iraqi militias, who want US forces to withdraw from Iraq.
8. The war in Iraq has eroded our reputation in the world and cost us strategic alliances and cooperative intelligence agreements. For example: Iran and Syria were both working with us to fight al Qaeda. Bush has jeopardized that.
I could go on....
chris @ 66:
And hows that free trade thing working out for ya chris? And speaking of evil. what evil things has Iran done to us? What country has Iran invaded lately? So, Irans leader has said some stupid shit, so we should bomb the hell out of the Iranian people? You've said alot of stupid shit on this sight over time, so we should come after you too? Just asking...
I listen to Hannity on the radio for about twenty-five minutes every afternoon during drive-time. Why? Because his program always makes me feel SMARTER than Republicans (in general) and ALL of those mis-lead zealots who kiss his butt with "You're a Great Amerikan."
Donohue was on Morning Jo(k)e today and Jo(k)e's follow-up guest was none other than Bernie Goldberg. Talk about assholes!
I think most Republicans would agree that once we turn Iran into the nightmare we created in Iraq, then we'll all see what a dangerous place it is.
Until Iran submits to corporate ownership as America has, they won't have the same kind of Democracy that Americans enjoy.
Donahue was way too nice. He could have and should have called Hannity s fucking idjit.
chris @ 82:
No, welcome to political simplicity. This is what happens when people don’t understand situations and, as a result, only fall back on force. They can’t provide any logic to win an argument, like justifying a war logically & with facts that will stand scrutiny, and simply resort to violence. This is usually voiced by people who haven’t fought themselves.
It’s funny too, “evil happens” when describing another country’s actions, but if we want a resource oh well, we’ll just take it by force. I can’t imagine how blind or stupid someone would have to be to say that “evil happens” then say something so evil and not realize how contradictory the two comments are.
Oh well, if might is right then don’t whine about the next time the US gets attacked because of its actions. Maybe the people attacking want something, we shouldn’t complain or try to put forth a moral or logical argument, its “political realism”. Palestinians want drinking water, the Israelis have thrown them off their land an monopolized the drinking water in the region. Some Palastenians want that water and their land back and will kill Israeli settlers to get that, oh well, welcome to “political realism”.
CoIntelPro @ 101:
You're right, Donahue was too polite. He shouldn't even have gone on the show. Because it gives Fox and Hannity too much respect.
chris @ 95:
So, why haven't you enlisted? Or is the army full of their quota for degenerate buffoons?
An by the "best medical system" I meant one that does not leave you to die because you can't afford to pay. A profit based system for health care is an oxymoron, because we have 2 forces opposing each other "my best interest regarding treatment" and "the best interest of the people providing the care regarding their profit."
We lose more people each year to issues related to our crappy health care, than to terrorism. Since you seem to be OK with "socializing" warfare to protect Americans, why would you have trouble "socializing" the health care of those Americans you care so deeply to protect?
The logical dissonance of you dolts is deafening...
And PS. I have not forgotten 9/11, the fact that you guys use the victims of that day to further your agenda shines a light into the darkness of the cavities, you guys posses where normal people keep their souls.
chris @ 95:
eeee, 'thinking' is not your strong suit chris.
stick with the jingoism, you have that down pat.
Pepper @ 102:
This is usually voiced by people who haven’t fought themselves. ????? Cheney was right you guys do want to give em therapy and lawyers.....
The Dude @ 104:
He probably hasn't enlisted because the armed forces offer troops socialized medicine.
chris @ 66:
That's not a good point in any way, shape or form. That is murderous insanity. Are you really that stupid to support another war against a country that didn't attack us? You subhuman filth are pathetic.
The Dude @ 104:
Actually I did my time, what about you?? and no, you don't have to thank me!
chris @ 106:
How much fighting have you done....don't include the fights you have with the voices in your head.
chris @ 106:
And when have you fought chris? I remember the last time you brought this up, you said you got your T-shirt. I asked you then, and will ask you again, who where you with? Give us service, unit, and dates. I gave you mine last time ,but you failed to answer. Are you another one of those phony combat vets out there?
Chrissy, why is it that "socialized" medicine is perfectly fine with and for our politicians, but not for the rest of us?
How many hours per day do you spend listening to Limbaugh and watching Faux News?
chris @ 109:
Your time in and out of a mental asylum is not heroic.
chris @ 109:
So Chris is the recipient of socialized medicine, which he's against because he believes "people should take responsibility for themselves." Unless, of course, the state provides. LOL.
“When you talk about the “best health care system in the world” I think what you mean is Socialism, you don’t want to pay for it so someone else should, sorry but you need to take some responsibility for yourself. Anyway, encase you forgot we were attacked on 9/11 giving people a free medical ride is not going to get rid of the enemy…”
YOU are the enemy a$$hole. You aren’t an ally of myself or anyone else here simply because you’re an American. If idiots like you had your way you’d attack us if you had the chance, you make excuses (ridiculously simplistic excuses) for the worse killers in this country and do so with logic that could fit on a small bumper sticker. I feel much closer to someone in another country in the same economic class as myself than you.
Is the stock market “taking responsibility for yourself”? If you invest in another company, and that company makes money, you increase your wealth and don’t work a bit. How, logically (don’t just say something stupid like, “that’s capitalism”) is that taking responsibility for yourself? Do corporations take responsibly for themselves?! We have the most protectionist agriculture in the world, we subsidize almost all the costs of energy (the military should be included in that), we spend over a TRILLION dollars now on the military directly and indirectly, which is by the way a socialist institution, our economy is almost entirely reliant on the state to function (it was almost the 2004 election before Bush created a SINGLE net private job, almost all the jobs since he took office have been in the public sector), etc. Is the recent Fed bailout the banks taking responsibility for themselves? Have any idea how the monetary system works? The fact that banks create wealth out of nothing what so ever, how is THAT taking personal responsibility? Honestly, you seem like your knowledge is a long list of platitudes and nothing more. It’s amazing that you’d waste your time posting here the generalizations that we hear from every other right wing moron, and some of them are much better at it than yourself.
In the end, your whole healthcare argument is a word, socialism. You couldn't defend the system itself by articulating why a market driven healthcare system is better than the socialized systems outside of generalizations (all countries ranked above us worldwide have various forms of socialized healthcare systems), because you probably don't know how they work.
Dr. Acula @ 112:
Watching so much Faux News has probably led to Chris's brain infarction.
chris @ 95:
Why do you presume anyone here is standing in the dole queue with their hand out? For that matter, why do you presume someone who is unable to afford healthcare is doing something wrong or trying to bilk the government? Oh, that's right - because Uncle Sean poured that slop into your unquestioning, docile mind.
And neither Iraq nor Iran were involved in 9/11. So why are we attacking one and agitating for war with the second? How has doing so 'gotten rid of the enemy' when we are continually witnessing the loss of safe areas to insurgent forces? Have you actually paid attention to the flip-flopping 'al Qaeda is irrelevant' and 'al Qaeda is almost done for' to 'al Qaeda is regrouping and gaining strength'? It would seem not.
At no point have liberals or Democrats interfered with the ability of our force commanders in Iraq. Bush's policies have gone forth essentially unchecked - but where is this safety and security? No mission, no victory. Ask any soldier.
If reich-wing politicians are so against Universal Health Care, why are they not turning it down?
Dr. Acula @ 112:
Because politicians have advance degrees and spent a lifetime in a job or profession. So they rate those benefits, i.e. fridge benefits, its a perk to get them to do the job since the pay is not that great.....Anyway, I notice alot of have a vitriol going on here and I don't have to deal with it. I'll come back when you guys can elevate the discuss to a more respectable level.....
chris @ 109:
And I'm a leggy supermodel! And no, you don't have to thank me!
chris @ 120:
So, Chrissy, you support Universal Health Care for only the elitists....how telling and typical.
Looks like you are a cut-and-runner.
chris @ 120:
don't go away mad chris. just go away.
chris @ 106:
Chris, that is the least important issue I addressed. Can you articulate ANY points by not making general nothing comments? Honestly, these issues are complex, if you want to spend time posting on a board like this (I assume you have something else to do and are choosing to come here because you want to have some type of discussion) you might want to read up on these issues so you can actually say something of substance. If you came here to remind us all how simplistically people like you think you've accomplished that. If you want to surprise us, say something of substance and actually back it up with logic you can't fit into a single sentence. You know that you aren't going to change anyone's mind, because you really aren't saying anything. My guess is that you are simply trying to piss off the "liberals" because you're either immature, young or horribly ignorant. Only an ignorant person would say such simplistic, stupid things with such bravado.
chris @ 120:
Chrissy "thinks" 165K/yr isn't great pay. You just proved to everyone you have zero concept of reality.
chris @ 120:
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. Nothing 'intellectual' to contribute, eh chris? Tell you what-if this is your version of 'unrespectable,' We can keep it going forever, if it'll keep you away.
chris @ 120:
Come on chris, answer my question. Who where you with, unit, service and dates. Did you just lie to us to make a point or what?
Chrissy, do you want to compare DD214s?
chris @ 109:
Tell me chris, what branch of service were you in? What was your MOS?, What rank did you achieve?,Where were you stationed?,What Unit were you in?
C'mon chris tell these little details,one Vet to another.
chris @ 95:
When you talk about the "best health care system in the world" I think what you mean is Socialism, you don't want to pay for it so someone else should, sorry but you need to take some responsibility for yourself. Anyway, encase you forgot we were attacked on 9/11 giving people a free medical ride is not going to get rid of the enemy......
That is a good point. In Capitlistic society, the government only subsidizes the wealthiest corporations.
It's the role of the citize to give $18 billion a year to the oil industry.
And when the banks make stupid business decisions, then it's the job of the citizens, to cough up enough dough to cover the losses and make sure that they profit from performing stupid business tricks.
Here in the US we privatize profits and socialize losses.
When corporations screw up, everyone is expected to pay.
Republicans understand that wealthy international corporations are valuable and human beings are only worth what you can take from them. If they have no more money to give, they have no value.
A Good Republican understands that human beings are just livestock to slaughtered when a buck can be made.
A Good Republican understands that the evil in Socialism comes from it's innate assumption that human beings have intrinsic value.
Now Good Republicans do know that a fetus has value as a political pawn. But as Jim Croce sang, "You say you love the baby, but crucify the man."
Now Chris, if you want to be a real Good Republican, give us some cash. Then you'll have value. Otherwise, on the Republican scale, you're less than a zero, because no one here is making money off of you.
Leslie @ 103:
Well, on the positive side, it was good that donahue went on there and put the truth to hannity so hannity could show himself to be the raving, cowardly, lunatic IDJIT that he really is.
diamondmc @ 127:
C'mon, don't ruin for me. If chris can have his 'service' I can keep being a leggy supermodel...
:D
chris( crickets chirping)
Dr. Husseien Matt @ 119:
They don't have a problem with it when it's for them, only when it's for anyone else. You know, because God blesses those who deserve to be blessed in the GOP's alternate universe. Therefore, if God hasn't blessed you--by making you rich--then it's because you deserve to be poor. It's the free market baby!
"Fridge benefits"?????
Man, that statement is starving for a ysbadaden comeback!
I think chris opened up a can of whuppass on himself (again)
mudshark @ 129:
Dr. Husseien Matt @ 128:
Hey! give him time...he's got to figure out how to use teh google and THEN look all that complex shit up...
Leslie @ 107:
That is true. If he enlisted, he'd expect for the taxpayers to buy him a gun and to feed and cloth him.
Maybe if he enlisted, he'd do it the Spartan way and make his own cloths and weapons and forage for food behind the mess hall?
chris @ 120:
I've spent a lifetime in MY profession, and it pays less than the going rate for a Congressional seat. I don't see anyone handing me sweetheart deals on healthcare. (In fact, we just got hit with a round of layoffs.)
And it's FRINGE benefits. A fridge benefit means a free lunch - and if you're really a conservative, then you know There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
You have been refuted and challenged on your points, and if that passes for vitriol, you're awfully fragile. I submit it's not 'elevated discussion' you're looking for, it's an easy mark to browbeat with your servile Sean Hannity-adoration.
Good day, Sir.
chris @ 120:
This is by far my favorite post of all time. A reich-winger claims a $165K/year is not great pay, and thus, someone making that terrible salary should get Universal Health Care. Brilliant! Brilliant!!!
Bud @ 135:
does this mean they get free icemakers?
chris @ 120:
*sniff*
in the meantime i am going to see what kind of "fridge" benfits i have
Chrissy won't answer, because he can't. He wouldn't know the difference between a DD214 and his address. He said on another post, he got his t-shirt. What t-shirt did any of my fellow vets get when they got out? I must have missed that line in Oakland.
Aw...recess must be over...Chrissy took his toys and went home.
Another neoconservative blowhard again dismisses the suffering of the Iraqi people by not mentioning them when speaking of the horros of war. I say we send Hannity to the front lines, along with Bill Kristol and the other neocon warmongerers who would never have the guts to enlist themselves.
Dr. Husseien Matt @ 140:
Don't forget the advanced degrees Dr. Matt! Of course, in Chrissy world, he's probably against student aid too. Wonder if Chrissy went to public school? We have his word that he was enlisted: free food, free clothes, free medicine, free training and free education by the government.
diamondmc @ 143:
Huh? They gave out t-shirts? WTH....nooooow I'm pissed. All I got was my final paycheck, some travel money, and my medical and service records.
diamondmc @ 143:
Better yet, where's yer coin, Chris?
Do you even know what I'm talking about?
I'll tell you what, If I made 165K a year regularly. Life would be sweet. But he fails to say that it's a Fringe Benefit(free) all long with all the other crap they're "entitled" too.165K...that kind of money ,one could afford heath care ins.all of it,dental,vision,pre-existing conditions, All of it.
ANYWAY, I would like to see more of Phil Donohue,and bring Jesse Ventura back on the scene.
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