Countdown: President Bush's Cruel Treatment Of Our Soldiers
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Apr 09, 2008 9:20pm
Today's #5 story on Countdown resembled Keith Olbermann's many Special Comments as he tore apart President Bush, his lies and cruel treatment of our soldiers by fact-checking his speech about Iraq this afternoon.
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President Bush has decided to put a hold on troop withdrawals, but tries to give the appearance that he's actually reducing troop levels. He also reduced tours of duty for our soldiers from 15 months to 12, but with a cruel caveat -- it doesn't apply to any troops currently in Iraq or those deploying before August. Olbermann rips Bush for saying troop morale would plummet if we were to lose in Iraq by not fulfilling HIS goals, pointing out that some 120 soldiers committed suicide last year alone, and for them, the war is already over.
" Last year he escalated the war in Iraq, today he announced that there would be deescalation beyond July, yet somehow stood there with a straight face and lied about how he was withdrawing troops. Now, that was hardly the lone instance of dissembling, tortured logic, sophistry and outright dishonesty in Mr. Bush's latest sugar-coating of the undeniable and unforgivable fact that he is continuing to arrange for the needless deaths of American heroes."
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THE BUSH VIDEO:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8187301869971500776
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Like the Colonel said this administration treats the troops as if if they were a commodity , disposable rubber gloves and Bush is just going to stay the course so he can hand over this cluster puck to the next administration / President .
Sir Vertual @ 1:
" ...... He's sworn to lead the worlds last super power ........... "
I love the way its all so ignorantly jingoistic ....... and to think China isn't a super power now, because it owns the US.
Keith, you and your withering barrage of logic and simple fact win again!
Be still my heart :)
apologize fore the repost, but it is on topic.
This is what was in everybodies e-mail today...
To Our Soldiers and Families
Today, President Bush announced his decision to return to twelve-month deployments in the CENTCOM theater for active Army units. The President’s decision reflects the improved security situation in Iraq – one made possible by your unwavering commitment and willingness to sacrifice – as well as the recognition of the impact of extended deployments on Army Families and our readiness. Today’s policy change will help reduce that strain as we continue to grow the Army and restore balance.
The Army will reduce “Boots On the Ground” time to no more than twelve months for all active component Soldiers deploying to the CENTCOM area of operations after 1 August 2008. Soldiers deploying prior to 1 August will complete their scheduled deployments.
The return to twelve-month deployments does not change the Army’s dwell time policy. This policy is intended to give units time to properly reset and allow Soldiers, Families, and friends to reconnect.
You have chosen a most noble profession. With your Families standing with you in support, you have borne the increased stress and burden of this war for our Army and our Nation. A grateful Army and Nation thank you.
Sincerely,
Kenneth O. Preston George W. Casey, Jr. Pete Geren
Sergeant Major of the Army General, United States Army Secretary of the Army
Chief of Staff
so now you know what the command chain put out..per the pRes
Great show tonight.
This is going to be worth getting deleted...
-Tonight on Little Bush-
Little Bush: Little Cheney, gossip ain't just a river in Egypt. Hit me.
Little Cheney: rrrahrahrah Tiny Kucinich rahrahrah huge hog rahrahrah.
Little Bush: That explains the hot new girlfriend!
Little Kicinich: Oh Elizabeth, you're like the majestic redwood.
As Lt. Watada wisely noted at the Veterans for Peace convention in Seattle in 2006, the soldiers are being used for ill-gain. That being the case, it is well past the point that those in the military say NO to the war machine by fleeing to Canada or deserting from their units. As a soldier in the documentary Sir! No Sir observed, being a clerk typist in the military does not get you off the hook. You are still a part of a military today that is taking part in the suppression and occupation of the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Richard @ 2:
Yeah, talk about ripping w a new one.
He was great.
I think I see a little more clearly what disgusts me about the Republicans in general. They're a bunch of cowards. Bush is nothing but a little cowardly wimp who comes up with bad ideas, executes them miserably, and then explains to us that he was following someone else's advice. He always blames someone else. He never takes the lead and makes a decision, it's always someone else's fault. Funny how he had to change generals multiple times until he got someone whose advice he would listen to...someone whose advice matched with the voices in his drug-addled head. This is why you don't elect drug addicts, kiddies. Nor should you listen to the Glenn Beck alcoholics or Rush Limbaugh pill-poppers. Stay off drugs, stay in school. Learn something--like the difference between Sunni and Shia.
Bring on the war crimes tribunal.
Alice Hussein @ 10:
First we need to elect a tribunal capable politician!
Bush's goals are unattainable.
The problem with Keith Olbermann and pundits who are like him is, that they are only heard by people that agree with them.
While I agree with the points Olbermanns makes, I can't help but wonder about those that watched this Bush speech and support and praise his views.
The problem with America is not that there are people that understand the truth, but that there are so many people who willingly believe the lies.
In 2008 I guess we will see if the majority of the population is made up of fools or sages.
Why does the unitary executive find it necessary to cover his grey? No telling how much that dye job cost the country.
Our dear leader bush, and his henchmen, deserve nothing less than a trip to a war crimes tribunal. The damage that they have done to our country and to those abroad by waging this unlawful war against Islam is nothing less than criminal. May they be charged, tried and sentenced - with those sentences being carried out in a public venue so that all true patriots of the USA can see them face their maker.
...damn glad I moved to...Mexico...blaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha gringos
I too had a dream , I am the great decider and chief , I have Bush , Cheney and Rumsfeld and all involved in the conspiracy to invade Iraq arrested , put them in too too's , crate them up and personally deliver them to the Hague .
More & more I'm convinced it is Bush's job to ruin this nation.
To drive it into the dirt.
Why?
One can only speculate, but the hallmark of the NeoCon's modus operandi is their own phrase "Creative Destruction" ..
Think of the dark interpretation of the phrase "Crisis Management" .. (a) if there is a crisis, manage it to your advantage (i.e., Katrina) .. (b) where there is no crisis, create one, and manage it to your advantage (i.e, Iraq).
The American Fascists backed Hitler when he declared pre-emptive war on Poland to free up the import of coal and iron from the Silesian American Coal Company, the part of Prescott Bush's Nazi Stock PortFolio that netted him $1.5 million after the war ..
Silesia .. where Auschwitz gassed the ones they'd worked to death in Prescott Bush's Coal mines.
So I'm not surprised that the Chimp would be expected to stand up and mouth platiitudes while his masters drive the American Ship of State into the same rocks where they crashed the German Ship of State ..
They are ruthless .. but I guess you've noticed that ..
Don @ 13:
The same is probably true of CrooksandLiars, but here we are doing it anyway. It's nice to feel that it's not you, but the world around you, going insane.
I have to pay my satellite provider more to get MSNBC but it is worth it for Keith Olbermann. Have sometimes wished to cancel it for the remaining dreck that is MSNBC but put up with it only for Countdown. Do not watch any other American "news" provider and try to get it from CBC World (Canada), TV5 Monde (France) and BBCW (Britian). Hell, Al Jazeera English is more even handed than the American "news" channels.
No MSM ever calls Bush out on his lies, why would they; don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Is is too late for KO to enter the presidential race?
There aren't too many people on the MSM/cable news who are willing to state the obvious.. Olbermann does that. I watch him every night. He's on the money and says it straight.
I overlook the dumber stuff (Paris Hilton, Bill'o, and Brittany Spears)..
Ruthless People @ 22:
He doesn't need to be President. He needs to be that guy hold the President's feet to the fire, making him accountable. We just seriously need more people willing to do that.
Don @ 13:
and the lies coming from bushco like a snake oil salesmen complete the motive. Its a sales job for the power elite.
Someday, somebody should split the screen and replay Richard Nixon speeches about progress in Vietnam alongside Bush's incessant diatribe. It is similar garbage spewed out, Orwellian twisting of logic, while we all theorize about what the real agenda is and what is really going on. What these politicians who are front men for God knows who, learned from Vietnam was not how to ever get us involved in a war we don't support, but rather how to avoid moratoriums, protests and massive civil disobedience. We are all now muted zombies and quite frightened to take a stand. The text box feels a lot more safer than the soapbox.
bush has the carisma of a boat load of maggots!
ok ok so i spelled it wrong but maggots fit our great presnut!
It's good to know that at least KO is holding dubya's feet to the fire. Now the American people have to wake up, hear the clarion call, and reclaim this nation!
Every time I see and hear Bush on these videos, I can't help but wonder what drugs are they feeding him? Sober people don't speak like that!
# 18 Mountain man , you are exactly right . Someone here will probably know who exactly who it was but more than once on Air America radio ( the Tom Hartman show ) I have heard a recording of one prominent neocon exclaiming " we want to tear America down , break her to bits so that then we can rebuild her as we want her to be " , NOT an exact quote but definitely something to that affect . It's the only way they can get rid of all social programs and social responsibility which they hate , all checks and balances on corporations and on the rich and powerful , they want full blown completely unregulated capitalism , the free market they call it ( and we see already now how well it's working ) , they want the USA to be a bigger version of Mexico , the so called elite and the peasants , and they are war mongers , these lunatics want to dominate the world by might , they are radical lunatics , mad men . If Cheney isn't a militant who is ? Look at the economy , the national debt , it is obvious to me that that this is what Bush and company have been doing , sabotaging the United States of America , they are evil not stupid ( Bush being one of the exceptions of course ) . What I don't get is why the Republican party backed them all the way to the bitter end , practically destroying their own party . Maybe they were so out of touch with reality that they couldn't see what was happening in the real world and really thought they were invincible . Just for starters : Treason , sabotage , conspiracy , war crimes , crimes against humanity ... and it's all for real folks .
John @ 30:
the repig party has allways been only for the rich , and getting rid of the middle class has allways been thier goal! thiers only one way to take this country back and thats with a rifel and a bayonnet!
Thank god this is a free country- where we can say anything we like (within strict limits- of course)- where we can criticize even the most powerful man in our government (after Chaney) and not have to worry about reprisals (if you have taken the time to make an anonymous and secure internet account).
If only there were some sort of mechanism whereby the citizens had a method of affecting who sat in that highest office- and better, a way of removing an obviously dangerous and insane administration.
Oh well, this country is only 230 some years old. Someday someone will think of something.
Until then we'll have to sit back and wait.
Last year Bush increased the tour of duty from 12 to 15 months. A triumphant (at some future time) reduction of time back to 12 months IS NOT PROGRESS! Americans, wake up to this madness of phony rhetoric, sadistic leadership and destruction of our democracy.
They deserve to be kicked in the teeth by G W, they are idiots for following immoral & criminal orders from a confirmed liar & war-criminal. Mutiny is always an option.
Bush is far from the worst president ever.
You have to be elected to the office to qualify.
Bush is certainly the worst preznit ever.
Let's pray we never have to suffer another preznit.
JM @ 29:
I used to love Keith,than one day It suddenly kicked in that he was just the left version of Bill'O,and ALMOST just as irritating.You rarely see a guest disagree with him either,they're just intended to vindicate his thoughts.
I think he might have ripped the time/space continuum between 2.52-3.07.
YourMom @ 19:
Intelligent people are generally moral people. Thus here at C&L we find comfort in our peers. The horror of this current administration is that they too are educated and know better than the propaganda they utter. They know that the lies they tell give the ignorant a misguided sense of right, thus allowing the administration to carry out terrible injustices.
To be in the Bush administration you must truly be a monster. For the only reason I see to be in Iraq, is that someone is getting rich.
Ultimately the ignorant will be told the truth by the one source greater than Bush. For soon there will be a reckoning, and a great light will appear in front of the foolish and the meek. A booming voice will be heard telling them telling them to turn off their cell phones and Harold and Kumar will start to set them straight.
the truth of the matter is, and it really canot be denied at this juncture, is that our president and cinc is insane.
houston, we have a problem.
Alice Hussein @ 10:
Forget the war crimes tribunal. The Italians had the right idea with Benito Mussolini. String the whole Bush gang up on lamp posts with piano wire. That's all the murdering bastards deserve.
Keith Olbermann's Cruel Treatment of Our Soldiers
The Slandering of a Hero
Written by JD Johannes
When have we ever taken a hero on the battlefield and put them up on a pedastal that we would put an athlete?" David Bellavia asked.
For expressing that sentiment, Bellavia has bourne the scorn of lesser and 'accurs'd' men.
I interviewed Bellavia during the Vets for Freedom National Heroes Tour stop in Kansas City at the World War I Museum. A Silver Star recipient, Bellavia has been nominated for the Medal of Honor for his actions in the Battle of Fallujah in 2004. Bellavia went into a house full of terrorists. Bellavia came out alive--the terrorists didn't. ....
For declaring Senator McCain a more worthy role model than a professional golfer, MSNBC news anchor Keith Olbermann slandered Bellavia.
That Olbermann, a former sports caster turned liberal opinion television host, would turn the above quote into something unrecognizeable is to be expected. What is more disturbing is how the American public treats its war heroes as compared to how it treats sports heroes--sports heroes like professional golfer Tiger Woods. ....
In our drive-through-strip-mall-plastic-disposable culture, fueled by self esteem and victimology--the 'accurs'd' like Olbermann refuse 'to hold their manhoods cheap.' Olbermann's ego will not allow it. He refuses to acknowledge that John McCain's fortitude in the Hanoi Hilton is more worthy of emulation than Tiger Wood's skills on a manicured fairway.
Olbermann's ego refuses to accept that Bellavia's exploits in the clutches of death are far above the clutch hitting of any MLB player.
David Bellavia's offense is not comparing a caucasian battlefield hero to a mixed race professional golfer--it is the strength of mind he displays in declaring the battlefield hero more deserving of public honors than the golfer.
Shameful.
Ack ack ack. I see your brilliant preznit is mixing his fake texan d-r-a-w-l with withdraw, to create a new language. WTF man. I mean, basic elementary school grammar, please... (oh, somebody save//kill me)
Nice pronunciation on Joooo-ly, too.
I
can't
take
anymore
ack ack ack
Seven years on the job, and he STILL can't read a fucking speech with any skill...
Urgh!
Can't he do anything with a sense of pride?
What am I saying!?!?
Bush's balls @ 36:
"concern toll" much?
tyree @ 31:
preferably a Pre-NATO bayonet....
thanks for this Logan. It was another raise my beer and toast to Kieth night last night. while all the other freaking morons talk about bush reducing the tours to 12 months only one guy points out the truth.
even if he did have the same FUCKING guests on as he has every night!
Dave @ 40:
Please don't advocate illegal violence. Bring on the legal tribunal. Make them talk. Lock em up.
bookworm @ 47:
yah and after thier convicted and locked up give them the death penalty!!!!!!!!! thats all traitors deserve!
dennis @ 41:
And just where did your hero Bellavia pull the reference to Tiger Woods from? WTF kind of analogy is Woods vs. McCain?
Just another of your apologist posts eh Denny?
Any idea where one can get the transcript of this remarkable commentary? I've looked on the MSNBC website and found the video, but not a transcript.
Thanks!
Dr.Acula@48-
Doc- I am serious when I tell you this, but I have found nothing in this guy's background that he was trying to make any kind of racist reference regarding Tiger Woods. This thread isn't about that though but it is about a slam by KO toward Bush's treatment of our soldiers and I wanted to make a point that KO is hardly without fault in that regard. KO smeared this guy without any background check to see if he had made prior racist remarks; with no opposing viewpoint from anyone else on his show; and with no mention of the fact many, many comparisons have been made about to Tiger Woods and Barack Obama in the past from both sides AND from the Obama camp. All of them have been poistive toward both that I have read.
Read the links. Go back to the Bellavia threads here. Or if you want, I'd be glad to email you about it; but the smearing of this guy was shameless by a lot of people. He deserved better. An awkward statement made by a war hero made into something it wasn't for political purposes; his life's work and reputation attacked and attempted to ruin by liberals simply because he likes John McCain and it was an opportunity to make McCain into a racist.
Shameless, Doc. Not you, but until someone comes up with anything other than an awkward statement made by this guy that indicates he was saying anything remotely racist, I don't see how you can describe anyone defending him as an apologist.
Didnt he lie about Defence Budget spending?
i.e. The
Disastererrr War is being financed from separate funding.(Or was this already discussed)
... and he reads like a six-year old.
Point of fact Jr. Your troops arent interested in winning, we just want to survive and go home, most of us only go for your deployment because we get extra pay, and in the case of the signal corps (my unit) we are not required to leave the compound seeing as how there is no safe part of Baghdad. Thank you for posting this here, I saw it earlier today around lunch but it was too noisy in the D-fac to really hear (Countdown comes on AFN around noon Baghdad time, Ironically the show that follows is Bill O'rilley!!??)
Alice Hussein @ 10:
Speaking of that, I wonder if anyone knows the legal procedures for initiating a war crimes tribunal against this administration? Is it feasible, doable? Imagine the joy around the world if this was ever to happen.
dennis @ 50:
What difference does that make?
There's no proof that the guys he massacred were terrorists Denny, so the word is more like war criminal, not hero.
Aside from that it was damned obvious what the guy was trying to say, and frankly if the world's soldiers were sportsmen insted, it'd be a much better place to live.
You obviously heard it you overly sentimental republi-can't. Stick to Bill O where you feel all warm inside.
YourMom @ 19:
justice @ 54:
That is why the Weasels in Charge dont recognize the World Court. They were thinking ahead on that one.
JPsy@55
What difference does it make? Are you f'ing kidding me? if you're going to imply something was racist, then yes, background is important. Especially on a statement made that you have to hypothesize what the intention was, and even then it's still not clear. That is pretty close to a prime example ofplaying the race card, No? It's drive-by media bullshit- because there has been no follow-up whatsover by any of the accusers. And it's typical Keith Olbermann- surround yourself with people who are going to agree with you and then present one side.
There's no proof they were anything other than terrorists either, so the claim you are making would be just as flawed as your logic. Cosidering this guy has been nominated for a Medal of Honor, I'd have to suppose the evidence supports his side more than it does yours. Perhaps you would be well-served to review the entire Haditha case, JPsy, before you blindly make your ridiculous claim of a war crime by this soldier.
It was not at all obvious what he was trying to say. Even to Olby it wasn't 'obvious'. Even to the authors of the threads here on this story, it wasn't 'obvious'. It was the logical conclusion maybe, But I am making the case that that logic was flawed. And I do give supporting background. How's about maybe you try to do the same?
What you are doing is the equivalent of spitting on this soldier. Actually, it's worse. Much worse.
1. Outstanding research with REAL facts.
2. I love how Bush pronounces "July" as "jew-lie"... what a fucking hillbilly...
3. The Bushes must have tested the phrase "war on terror", as opposed to just a "war". I had no idea the events in Iraq were a "war", was it ever declared, did I miss that? And war "on terror"??? There were NO TERRORISTS in/from Iraq BEFORE Bush came to town there, but now it IS the #1 breeding ground for FUTURE terrorists. Way to go, Bush.
dennis @ 58:
Why? Why is a soldier so special? The whole deal is that this occupation is *illegal* - they should not be there, period. You can't go round shooting people beacuse they're guilty of being Muslim by association and expect to be considered the same kind of heroes that came back from fighting Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan - there's just no comparison.
We now know that Iraq was no threat. Had no WMDs. Could not even threaten Israel, let alone the US. Once you get that into your head then there is no justification on earth for what the militaries of your country and mine have done to that country, none whatsoever. This was a naked grab for oil resources spearheaded by an Oedipal desire to go one better than Daddy on the part of George Bush Jr.
Back to the original subject, if you don't understand just how different a supporter of Barack Obama likening him to Tiger Woods is as opposed to a supporter of his opponent at a right-wing rally making the comparison then I suggest you work on your verbal reasoning skills a little.
BennyP @ 31:
Well, assuming our votes are counted......
Don @ 37:
I think morality is somewhat independent of intelligence. Also, the intelligent are usually more capable of justifying whatever beliefs they hold, and "education" is just as likely to instill BS as it is to allow one to see through it. The educated and intelligent are susceptible to self-deception too.
Barbara Bush and her beautiful mind must be so proud to have bred such an lying, dishonest son of a bitch.
dennis @ 40:
This article is unintelligible and doesn't hold a consistent point at all. I'm sure the writer had one in mind, but we can't read his mind which is what understanding this piece would require.
Powerful. Once again, Keith nails Junior to the wall with no mercy, and he's 100% correct. Bush has no regard for our troops. That's why he sent them to fight his vendetta war in the first place. The whole administration is an absolute disgusting disgrace.
JPsy @ 60:
I'm being very honest with you- brutally honest. I've thought about it way too much over the last three days in fact. My verbal reasoning skills make the connection you are making, just not the same conclusion. There is simply no other evidence other than stretching to find it, and that is exactly what's going on. And no one doing the stretching for even the vaguest clues to support their claim of racism have provided any fairness to the story whatsever.
Seriously, JPsy- literally everyone I know, and I'm a white guy and a golfer, as are a great many of my friends (who know nothing of this episode, btw) loves Tiger Woods. We talk about him as being as almost a freak of nature for some of the incredible shots he makes in the most difficult of situations. I could talk forever about it. Watch the Masters today and see how many white people are following him to every hole. Most of my friends, at least up until the Rev. White tapes emerged, liked barack Obama too. They do see the similarities- the positives similarities. Nobody I hang with talks about race when we talk about Woods. We did maybe 12-13 years ago when he was first entering the scene. It'd be like remarking that Michael Jordan is black- yeah, so? who the F cares?- he's a great b-ball player and he knows how to win. Same with Obama, who cares what his race is as long as he's good at what he does? To me anyway.
But no, I've tried and I just don't see this as a racist comment. I honestly have tried. Have you tried not to??
KEITH
Would you please stop using words of two or more syllables. Neither Bushit nor his supporters have any idea what you are saying.
dennis @ 66:
um, hope you're doing the reasoning for the dead "suspected insurgents" cause they can't do it for themselves now.
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