Well, we are totally screwed. Bush won't be satisfied until we have no rights whatsoever. The Repugs have doomed us all. Why do such a small group of millionaires have so much power? Pray.

They are going to fiddle around and one day Americans are going to go to the polls, not to vote, but to drag the voting machines out into the streets and set them on fire.

Welcome American aristocracy. Will the first emperor be a Clinton or a Bu$h?

Your right LA, The GOP always stated they were for smaller government. The truth is they hate the government and are hell-bent to destroy it.

P.D. @ 8:

Your right LA, The GOP always stated they were for smaller government. The truth is they hate the government and are hell-bent to destroy it.

They may just succeed if McCain gets in.

The corporations (along with the corporate media) want a compliant congress and electorate as well as a pliant employee and consumer. That is all they want and there is little they will not do to achieve their goal.

If you can say one thing about repubs they stand together and block bills they don't like. Dems never do that. Why don't the Dems start blocking some bills.

Skoalbandit @ 14:

If you can say one thing about repubs they stand together and block bills they don't like. Dems never do that. Why don't the Dems start blocking some bills.

Because they lack purpose and unity. Each of them is in it for themselves.

L.A. Confidential @ 16:

Skoalbandit @ 14:

If you can say one thing about repubs they stand together and block bills they don't like. Dems never do that. Why don't the Dems start blocking some bills.

Because they lack purpose and unity. Each of them is in it for themselves.

The problem is that they liked it until Bush told them not to like it.

Ron @ 18:

The problem is that they liked it until Bush told them not to like it.

Indeed. Fall in line now Dems.

Republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.

Tin foil hats aside, what possible reason could the GOP have for opposing such a measure?

Kissinger probably calls Bush and says whip those pion's in line!

neamhni hussein @ 25:

Sh@#.

Seriously.

What are we gonna do about this?

what we allways do!

The Republican party is made up of bottom feeding scum suckers who are so stinking corrupt that everything they touch turns to shit. They keep getting away with it because people like Pelosi sits on her ass and refuses to put impeachment on the table. They get away with it because when it was clear that the 2000 election was a political maneuver by Daddy's supreme court and all the Democrats sat there bitching but did nothing else. In 2004 when it was clear that the voting machines had been tampered with and there was evidence NOBODY did a damned thing. They sat on their asses while the war criminal finished off this country. There is something really wrong with those people. Are they the product of too many drugs while in school that Daddy paid for and they didn't study but got a diploma anyway? Are they products of too much inbreeding?

Also, what the hell is wrong with the democrats in Congress that they just sit there and wait, what the hell are you waiting for? Bush to strike Iran and then declare martial law and put a stop to elections? To throw your asses all in prison while his cohorts take over your positions? You will deserve it if that happens because you have been sitting there for 8 years while the Republican party has raped our children, condemned others for what they do in secret, for destroying our constitution and bill of rights, for stacking courts in their favor. YOUR SITTING ON YOUR FAT ASSES HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THESE BASTARDS GETTING AWAY WITH ALL THIS SHIT. BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS AS WELL.

Just proves we've been right all along - they can't win on their platform - fear and cheating are all they have left. Seriously, how does anyone with a conscience call themself a republican today?

like i keep telling you!the 08 elections over!and you lost!

Do or die

The Republicans have to retain the presidency, and with it control of the evidence and the prosecutors, or hundreds of them are going to jail, and some to death row. They would rather just win at the polls. But failing that, and that route may not be open to them this cycle, I'm sure that they would rather have their packed courts steal it for them, than have to resort to an out-and-out coup. But there has to be some excuse for the courts to intervene. For this purpose, the great thing about voting without a paper trail is that there is inherently no way to prove the negative if someone alleges fraud. Such systems really could quite credibly be hacked, or simply have a bug, such that they swing several percentage points in several states, without the involvement of the large numbers of people that it would take to do that before computerized voting. They don't even have to hack the machines themselves, they simply have to allege that it happened, somehow, if only by computer error rather than anyone's intent.

They don't really need the courts to just outrightly hand the presidency to a Republican candidate who lost by several percentage points. They just need a credible pretext for the courts to tie up the results of such a race by invalidating enough EC votes that neither candidate has a majority. If they accomplish that, their path is easy if they retain control of at least 26 House delegations, which, given that small states trend Republican, could very well happen even if the overall Democratic majority gets bigger. Even if their debacle is so great that they don't even control a majority of the state delegations in the 111th Congress, all hope is not lost. The Democratic majority might well be intimidated into not going ahead with the procedure outlined in the 12th Amendment for determining who won the election, but rather meekly leave that question to the courts. If they are unwilling to seize the presidency for a Democrat that way, what we're left with is the choice by Congress of an acting president, as outlined in the 20th Amendment, to serve until such time as the courts decide who won the election (which they never will). Now, the Democrats could wait until after 1/20/09 to choose such an acting president, so that their choice would not be subject to a Bush veto. But they wouldn't so choose, because they would not be willing to go for, and the courts would come back in the picture if they tried, any of the three options involved: leaving the presidency vacant for any length of time, or making the Speaker or President Pro Tem president by way of Congressional inaction, or letting a Bush cabinet member succeed instead. They will be under prerssure that they almost certainly will not withstand to vote an acting president before 1/20/09. But this is all the Republicans need in order to avoid legal accountability in the next administration. Bush will be able to veto a majority choice for his successor, and that veto will be sustained unless the Democrats get 2/3 majorities in both chambers, which they probably won't. Bush will thus be able to block any candidate who is not committed to not prosecuting BushCo. There will have to be a "compromise" candidate, a Democrat, perhaps, but some turncoat "centrist" like Lieberman.

“Tin foil hats aside, what possible reason could the GOP have for opposing such a measure?”
Are you kidding me? Most people don’t need “Tin foil hats” because nothing will penetrate their hard heads anyway.
But seriously, after all the trouble the republicans went through to privatize the voting system so they could cheat, do you really think they would undo all that? Get real!

Serious question:

Any chance this bill will be brought to the floor anyway? can it be attached to something the Fascists themselves want?

Olberman just reported that Bush ( surprise ! !surprise ! ) sent out a memo saying that he opposed the bill and like good little nazis they all obeyed little Nero and reversed their earlier vote . Evidently they are still afraid of the Bush neocon cabal ?

milquetoast @ 41:

tyree @ 26:

neamhni hussein @ 25:

Sh@#.

Seriously.

What are we gonna do about this?

what we allways do!

withold your income tax.

http://wethepeoplecongress.org/index.php

And go to jail like Wesley Snipes?

Why does anyone even link to Politico?

Paul's Bunions @ 42:

milquetoast @ 41:

tyree @ 26:

neamhni hussein @ 25:
what we allways do!

withold your income tax.

http://wethepeoplecongress.org/index.php

And go to jail like Wesley Snipes?

Not necessarily...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Of8M1MZJQ

Skoalbandit @ 14:

If you can say one thing about repubs they stand together and block bills they don't like. Dems never do that. Why don't the Dems start blocking some bills.

Because they like those fat paychecks they will continue to receive.

..........BASTARDS!!!!!!.....................

P.S. Glen Tomkins@34;

Oooo, that's just sick enough to be plausible.....JD

Everyone's too busy to put it all together, everyone's too busy or lacking imagination to stage a revolutionary movement to throw of the tyrant, the murderer, the liar? A peaceful movement ideally? Will it take to long? Will people find themselves in a lonely hard place before it's too late, few options, little sense, just a gut wound boring into hearts and minds filled with expectation? ... I don't believe in god, do i believe in you? ... do i believe in you? ... where is America?

IRAQI ORPHANS! IRAQI ORPHANS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6xM2BbTjQ0&feature=related

kid's stuff on the ps2!! 8P

12,000 suicide attempts a year sir?! Rock and Roll for the masses?

Isn't it OBVIOUS? Illegally programmed voting machines is "their only hope."

Seriously... we must ALL be prepared to take back this government if the Republicans "win" the White House this year.

President PNACcio @ 49:

Isn't it obvious?
Why do you think the media has been pushing the "exit polls are always wrong" meme?
Why do you think the media has been telling us that the race between McCain and whoever the Democratic candidate is will be "too close to call", when we all know that McCain will lose the popular vote by at least 20%?
Why would Republicans who supported this proposal in committee vote against bringing it to the House floor?
Someone gave them a memo, the 2008 election will be hijacked, and don't screw it up.
The neoconservative agenda is too far along now for something as trivial as the will of the people to stop it now.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
How could it be possible for them to ignore the people's rights?

I blame the dems. For 2 years they did nothing to push for paper trails, and fair elections and to bring that important message to the masses, so the gop would be way too embarrased to pull what was obvious their intention in the first place.

America proudly claims that it is the bastion of democracy, yet tolerates a mish-mash of State electoral systems that would embarrass any third world country. Any system of voting must have an audit trail to enable verification by scrutineers. If it doesn't, it has no place in a genuine Democracy.

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President PNACcio @ 49:

Isn't it obvious?
Why do you think the media has been pushing the "exit polls are always wrong" meme?
Why do you think the media has been telling us that the race between McCain and whoever the Democratic candidate is will be "too close to call", when we all know that McCain will lose the popular vote by at least 20%?
Why would Republicans who supported this proposal in committee vote against bringing it to the House floor?
Someone gave them a memo, the 2008 election will be hijacked, and don't screw it up.
The neoconservative agenda is too far along now for something as trivial as the will of the people to stop it now.

If you are going to STEAL AN ELECTION VIA VOTE RIGGING – you need to lay the ground work – planting doubt in the minds of the electorate through the media shills.

Exit polling has been a reliable method by which to approximate the result of elections prior to the final votes being tallied. Exit polling has only been called into question in the last two election cycles – but ONLY because the Exit Polling data were not confirmed by the final “official” vote tally. As has now been proven, it was not the Exit Polling data that was inaccurate or unreliable, it was the reporting of the Official Total” that had been tampered with.

It’s time to TAKE THE OFFENSIVE where Exit Polling is concerned and reveal this Swiftboating of “Exit Polling” for what it is – a Rovian sham designed specifically to condition the electorate to disbelieve the exit poll results (which will portray the house and Senate going under Democratic Control), and rather to only believe the “Official” (FALSE) vote count.

The Mainstream Media is fully complicit in the Rovian Brainwashing campaign to discredit “Exit Polling” as unscientific hoohah, when in fact it is the smoking gun EVIDENCE of election fraud used throughout the world. Ask International Elections Observers about the value of Exit Polling.

The GOP has employed a firm called Penn, Schoen, & Berland to skew exit poll results in the past in order to achieve their own political ends. Watch out for this firm’s exit poll results in this years elections. They are on Rove’s payroll:

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=70727

Electoral Fraud Is the First Step on the Road to Tyranny

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=70456

Read the link above – GREAT ARTICLE.

Erasing history on Wikipedia:

Who would have the power/authority to completely erase a massive page of Wikipedia historical evidence related to the theft of the 2004 elections in the United States?

YOU WANT EVIDENCE?

HERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy...

Smartmatic:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=589189

UnEasyOne @ 38:

Serious question:

Any chance this bill will be brought to the floor anyway? can it be attached to something the Fascists themselves want?

Is it not funny how when the Republicans controlled the House (by an equally slim margin) the minority party (Democrats) were not able to block bills from coming to the floor but now the minority party (Republicans) can? Same in the Senate where "TuTu Reid" is constantly stymied by the very same threat of minority filibuster that he was not able to make work when he was the minority.

Something is going on. Combine that with the turn from issues that they ran on (such as impeachment, ending the occupation) and the refusal to push even half as hard as the Republicans did on bills that count, and it's pretty plain that the Democrats are more concerned with getting re-elected than with advancing their stated (but not seriously believed) agenda. I for one am through with them.

Leiberman_Loves_Him_Some_McCain @ 76:

UnEasyOne @ 38:

Serious question:

Any chance this bill will be brought to the floor anyway? can it be attached to something the Fascists themselves want?

Is it not funny how when the Republicans controlled the House (by an equally slim margin) the minority party (Democrats) were not able to block bills from coming to the floor but now the minority party (Republicans) can? Same in the Senate where "TuTu Reid" is constantly stymied by the very same threat of minority filibuster that he was not able to make work when he was the minority.

Something is going on. Combine that with the turn from issues that they ran on (such as impeachment, ending the occupation) and the refusal to push even half as hard as the Republicans did on bills that count, and it's pretty plain that the Democrats are more concerned with getting re-elected than with advancing their stated (but not seriously believed) agenda. I for one am through with them.

the Republicans do not think for themselves and can be counted on by their leadership to vote exactly as they are told on legislation that is critical to their corrupt and irrational agenda. and the GOP has the most effective tool for keeping their politicians and media in line, a tool progressives largely ignore- their talk radio monopoly, with its uncontested repetition of lies, distortions, threats and swiftboating to 50-70MIL.
the GOP politicians would have drowned in their own hypocrisy by now if it wasn't for the daily denial blasted out across the country on talk radio. and without accounting for the talk radio soapbox the GOP dominates, the effectiveness of Dem politicians cannot be accurately evaluated.

Republicans operate under the premise that the "end justifies the means".

So they will "swiftboat" any dem, jam phone lines on election day, not have enough polling machines in democratic neighborhoods, give out wrong directions to polling places, mass e-mailing of outright lies, fear-mongering, waving the flag, claim god is on our side, etc.

The only way the re-thugs can win is by stealing the Pres. elections - of course they do not want a paper trail of their criminal activity!

Kay @ 81:

They do it because it works. The Dems can't vote together as a bloc on anything. The Repubs will keep doing it because they always win. The Repubs control everything when they are in the majority and when they're in the minority. Way it goes.

that's because they've got the biggest soapbox in the country- the talk radio monopoly- and they can say anything they want on it, over and over and over to "catapult the propaganda", as bush said, and detemine the flavor of the MSM. and there is no way for Americans to get in front of the soapbox blowhard's face.

nony @ 83:

nony @ 79:

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Bushs presidency, Worst Ever...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/22/the-worst-president-ever