Double Talk Express: The Parsley/Hagee Problem & Exploiting Campaign Finance Loopholes
By SilentPatriot Monday Apr 28, 2008 6:15pm 
On Countdown Tuesday, Keith and Rachel dissected two of McCain's major potential liabilities: his own "radical" pastors and the many examples that threaten his image as the Honorable Campaign Finance Reform Champion.
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"He's such a maverick he not only doesn't play by other people's rules, he doesn't even play by his own rules."
Despite his horrendous showing at the ABC debate, I'm grateful Stephanopoulos finally broke the media silence and confronted McCain on his Hagee problem last weekend. When will the rest of the mainstream press wake up and realize that religious leaders on the right have been saying controversial stuff for years?
When will they also realize that the Maverick they fell in love with has left the building? Saint McCain once championed strict campaign finance rules. Now he exploits (and even violates) his own signature legislation. The man who once stood as the moral arbiter on torture now remains silent as his own legislation gets used to torture people. He was for the Bush tax cuts before he was against them. Agent of intolerance to commencement speaker. "Bring em all home" to "100 years is fine with me."
Are there any defining attributes John McCain won't sacrifice to appease the lunatic fringe and become President? More importantly, is there any way to get the press to cover this?
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McFrist!
I still don't get how a GOPer can get away with this, and also I thought this was a "liberal" media? So how's McPapen get away with this?
Between John Hagee, the blathering blowhard, endorsing McCain on the right, and Jeremiah Wright, the ranting whackadoo, trying to screw over Obama from the left, we have these joke preachers once again messing up the democratic process. These bufoons need to stay out of politics period! In this article it suggests John Hagee and Jeremiah Wright face off in a steel cage wrestling match, to solve this business once and for all!
http://jviz.blogspot.com/2008/04/jeremiah-wright-and-barack-obama.html
Maybe then we can have a good election based on the issues.
I think it's you that keeps getting the countdown dates wrong. This aired on Monday's edition. I bring it up because every time you add a clip from there you are off by one day.
Hagee is a white conservative evangelical. He gets a pass from the media.
The corporate run media's coverage of this race for the Presidency has been the worst yet !
Come on Kieth, grow some balls!!! All religious people are intellectually corrupt!! America is corrupted by religious faith. Screw god, religion, and all the pathetic non thinking cretins who spout it!!!!
i think this blog asks the wrong question when it asks 'when will the press wake up'?
if they're not awake by now, they're dead.
we need new ones.
when do we get a press that does it's job? that's the question.
The Hagee-McCain/Wright-Obama nonsense helps to show why we need to keep religion and politics SEPARATE. Personally, I am less offended by Wright's extremism than that of Hagee, Rod Parsley, and the dummy-duo of Pat Robertson and his late partner in hate Jerry Falwell. After all, it was Falwell and Robertson that blamed 9/11 on feminists, lesbians, gays, and pagans--in other words, they said that Americans were to blame for bringing God's damnation. Gee, that's just what Wright said, but the media still reacts as if he's a nutjob.
I think I finally understand why the Founders put free speech and religious freedom together in the First Amendment. First, to protect our right to worship as we please and to express our faith openly, and second, to protect our right to speak out against ALL religious zealots who try to subvert our system for their own purposes.
I wish we had an atheist candidate to vote for.
It's going to be difficult for either the Democrats or the media to challenge McCain. Any roughness will look like elder-abuse, and that's an illegal activity in most states.
Has Olbermann given up on talking to anyone other than Maddow?
"More importantly, is there any way to get the press to cover this?"
No.
Paul B. @ 9:
I feel sure lots of politicians and clergy are actually closet athiests who play the religion game admirably for easy social/economic advantages.
Paul B. @ 9:
That would be nice. Right now there's far too much religious bigotry (against atheists) in this country.
Paul B. @ 9:
Underground Pirate @ 7:
Underground Pirate:
Heh, buddy, I'd tell you the inventor of the scientific method, Sir Francis Bacon was a theist, and you'd scream "LIAR! THERE IS NO GOD BUT ATHE AND DAWKINS IS HIS PROPHET" ;) The first scientists were theists, so obviously science can work with faith. It does with me. I'm a theist who reads Ingersoll and Russell and even Dawkins and Hitchens, primarily because they're just better than we theists at turning a phrase.
Paul B.: In a modern industrial state (for as long as they're still viable, all the crap heading towards us leaves that in question) religion needs to stay out of politics, I agree there. Something about "render unto Caesar..."
Oh, and yes, I wish there was a female gay Native American atheist pro-choice candidate for president. Then, all bases would be covered. ;) Go, followers of Athe! ;)
And didn't he sponsor an anti-torture bill that was passed and became law? And when Bush spit in his facem gave him the finger and continued illegally torturing prisoners, didn't McCain say that was okay?
McCain has as much substance, backbone, and integrity as a will-o-the-wisp, fairy dust, marsh gas...
Brad @ 13:
Word.
Ahh Rachel! She speaks fast and makes every word count.
Brad @ 13:
I think Frank Herbert defined the ruling class's attitude towards religion very succinctly in Dune when he said it was something they did to keep the masses from revolting on them. I believe Marx said it first. One of the few things that idealist fool got right, that was.
General_Rennenkampf @ 20:
marx was a worthless asshole.
The only way we will get the press to cover what is happening won't take place until a democratic administration and president resurrect the Fairness Doctrine that was killed by Ronald Reagan, who is now known as "Boy Bitch to Mephistopheles."
Ram @ 21:
But not Groucho.
Ram @ 21:
You're not worthless when you inspire an ideology that caused the Cold War. You can be worthy of infamy as well as fame, my friend.
Pol Pot-O-Cheesesauce @ 23:
Or Harpo.
You ask:
"When will they also realize that the Maverick they fell in love with has left the building?"
Of course, you're talking about McCain.
"They" will realize that the maverick they "fell in love with" (ick) left the building around the
same time that you realize that Barack, the homo-erotic passion flower of the freaky progressives,
not only left the building, but never was even in the building to begin with.
Peter Salieri @ 26:
Hey, Peter. You're really witty, man. Maybe you could get a gig on Fox, doing standup on Bill O'Lielie's show.
Ram @ 25:
Or Chico.
when wright said we were lied into a war, the corporate media had to attack because it makes them complicit or incompetent. the corporate media will always attack farahkhan supporters because of the jewish lobby that exerts a lot of control over media. Wright was over the top on the aids thing, but he seemed accuate otherwise.
General_Rennenkampf @ 28:
Or Richard...well, okay, maybe Richard
Enough with the ministerial endorsements on both sides.
Although IMO, Hagee really will prove to be the undoing of the Repub bid, a millstone around the McBush campaign neck, so maybe just let the ads role. And they will roll, St. John, tying you tightly to the Rev. Hagee's most bizarre pronouncements.
You're not always right, Uncle Karl.
Rusty Shackleford @ 14:
I'm with you, Rusty! I am also a fellow reality based person. I detest ALL cults, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Jewish or devil. Most are just a bunch of frauds using their alleged religion to shield their bigotry, racisim, and general hatred of anyone who is not like them.
Maybe if all the people at the Democratic convention this year do a really corny, embarrassing "flip flop" chant complete with silly hand motions people will take notice.
I think all us progressive/dfh bloggers should make it a habit to always refer to hagee as "catholic-hating rev.hagee." there are lots and lots of catholics (don't you know we have big families {snark}?) and many of us are the coveted white male demographic. so if we can move this into the mainstream, that might be a way to swing some of this demographic to the democrats.
Ram @ 11:
I imagine he'll keep putting her on until she gets her own richly-deserved show.
General_Rennenkampf @ 24:
Well, to be fair, the Cold War was a two-sided affair. One might as easily blame Locke or Rousseau. I doubt any of them could have reasonably foreseen the events of 1945-1989.
The Plane, the plane; McCain used his wife's Corporate Jet.
Does the Jet belong to his wife and does she pay taxes or deduct expenses for the plane from her Personal income? I seriously doubt it!!!
The plane belongs to the Corporation. Therefore the plane usage is in violation of the law. It's not a family members personal property.
I'd like to ban the term "flip-flop" from all public discourse, even by people like Maddow, who I respect. Just a thought. I could be wrong.
I just get nauseous every time I hear that term.
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