May 05, 2008 10:30 PM
Open Thread
Who's a better environmentalist, John McCain or a slightly stale carrot? Okay, I guess the image gives it away. From MoveOn's new Bush/McCain/Carrot challenge.
Open Thread below....
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Foiled in ‘Operation Chaos,’ Rush Limbaugh Tries ‘Operation KAOS’
McCain's ad about wasteful government spending on Grizzly Bear genetics in Montana is an example of how little he understands how research goes on in ecology and biology.
He is not an environmentalist, and in fact, views knowledge of the environment as an example of waste of spending.
Today's front page headline on Rupert Murdoch's right wing propaganda rag:
"LINDSEY LOHAN STOLE MY COAT!".
http://www.nypost.com/
The NY Post's Best. Attention. Distracting. Headline. Ever.
truthfully I have a rotted cucumber in my frig- complete with mold that would make a Mccain candidate- even looks like him...I would donate him to run....
( it was a science experiment for my son...I was not going to eat it- but I could donate it to any fine political run)
11:04 - Gary Mayor Predicts Indiana Shocker: The Washington Post reports:
let's see if DIEBOLD rears it's ugly little head. I'm just saying....
seems like all y'all do out in hollywood is wake up, get drunk, get stoned, pop pills, snort coke, "ACTION!", screw each other, then bitch about the paparazzi.
how 'bout getting off your @$$es and saving america?
WHY INDIANA HAS CLOSED
SHE CAN'T CLAIM 'MOMENTUM' or JOEMENTUM, just TUMS.
bullfrog @ 7:
They do that seven days a week don't you watch Law and Order on TNT?
11:15 - Clinton Muted: Ben Smith:
I've been out on the road with Clinton for the past few days, during which she was perhaps the sharpest she's been in her political career. Forceful, clear, connecting intensely with her crowds, utterly at ease with her message.
Tonight, that energy has really, strikingly vanished.
Bill, behind her, is somber too. And she's promised, "no matter what happens," to work to pull the party together.
Chalk up another "victory" in the drug war: Our troops are looking the other way on smack in Afghanistan. The Pentagon is only now concerned about our troops getting paid.
The D.C. Sniper plays martyr. Nigeria would rather deal with Carter than Bush.
The founder of Baskin-Robbins died. Fishermen might have killed an endangered sea lion.
Indiana
I'll play your waiting game.
I'm gonna play your waiting game.
As anyone who has read Hillary Clinton's biography knows, she was born and raised in the states of Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, New York, Wellesley, Crown Royal, and Bluecollaristan. It must be hard to keep track of, but it's getting easier thanks to supporters like the guy in the crowd of her post-primary speech tonight, who, after Clinton took a few minutes talking about how she grew up in Illinois, remembered where she said she grew up two weeks ago and yelled, "Scranton!"
"And originally from Scranton, PA, that's right!" Hillary yelled back, reminded of that day in Pennsylvania when she first conceived of the "gas tax holiday" while facing a fierce fusillade of sniper fire.(video )
Tequila @ 12:
hillary may have become an endangered candidate
Prepare for fake outrage from Faux, pedo-rush, princess, and the rest of the anti-American reich-wing crowd. It's only a matter of time before the Dems will have to vote to condemn this ad.
At least that carrot had greens at one time.
Russert say Hillary cancelled all her morning show appointments. Doesn't want to talk about what happened tonight. Sounds like the beginning of the end. Finally.
Tequila @ 12:
They killed six, not one. And considering the shape the salmon season is in this year, I'm not surprised. Heck, I had figured it was fishermen already.
Looks like we maxed out the Poll thread.
are we moving to this thread?
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 20:
I'll take that as a yes...
porkchop @ 21:
At least you and i are. :)
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 23:
so, how you doin? :-)
Whom ever wins the nomination would be wise to not consider another Senator as a running mate.
That presumptive winner will need as many friendlies in their coalition as they can in order to control their agenda.
The notion of an Obama/Clinton or reverse dream ticket may not be in the cards.
Radically Moderate @ 25:
It took Reagan/ Reagan/ Bush for people to figure out even a Clinton beats a Republican.
I hope it doesn't take a Bush/ Bush/ McCain for that to sink in.
porkchop @ 24:
I am doing ok, i am looking forward to the end of this primary season so we can trounce McCain and start rebuilding.
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
It won't.
This time we break the cycle.
How you doin'?
The boil on Rush's ass is festering and at it's most painful stage. It won't burst but just gets bigger and bigger.
Bush is going to be an even bigger load of dead weight in November than he is now.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 27:
Hear hear.
But there isn't as much rebuilding to do as the media would have you think. At least not in the Dem party. New Orleans, Iraq, UN? Sure. but we know what's at stake and we aren't asleep this time.
McCain has chosen his VP, if he loses then he can eat it.
Ron @ 30:
Gee, Ron. It is such a beautiful night, why bring him up? :)
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 29:
Me? Ready to go.
Merle @ 353:
On my little spreadsheet, when I add the 211 Florida for divided according to the popular vote which makes 107 Clinton, Obama 71, and Michigan split evenly at 78 each, as it stands this moment, that would put Obama at 2,011 and Clinton at 1,887.
Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan, had he been, there is a very large AA presence in SE MI. The election as it was held was totally flawed.
In Michigan, the three leading candidates agreed to take their names off the ballot, Clinton reneged. So much for honorable behavior.
The race is all but over. Clinton does not have a basis to continue.
Hey-up, Bascombe AyBeeEeeBee, and thanks. It's even worse - I'm so far the first (and only) candidate ever for this particular doctorate in NZ, and if all goes well it'll open the way (and funds) for other PhD's in future. As in 'guinea pig'. As in no pressure, no pressure at all. (On the up side, I'm not competing with anyone else in the department for a scholarship... )
As for all this 'if you vote for Obama it means you're an anti-feminist Hillary basher' crap; it goes like this, see? Y'got two candidates. They do their thing, we watch, we decide which one we like the best and vote for that person. Seeings how all the people I much preferred over either one of the final two choices aren't in the running any more, I have to choose between Hillary or Obama. I prefer Obama, because I happen to think he's the more honest, less Beltway-tainted of the two. His relative youth and inexperience is actually a plus for me - it's time for fresh blood and a bit of optimistic idealism, even if slightly naive. His limited track record is, on balance, pretty damned consistently decent. Her experience may be more extensive, but it's also laced with opportunistic, special interest, lobbyist controlled political backroom dealings she's had to cover with dissembling at best, and outright lying at worst.
And the more Hillary claws onto rapidly diminishing hopes, regardless of how this further divides both the party and voters, the less I feel she has the country's best interests at heart rather than her own ambitions.
My choosing Obama over Hillary isn't because she's 'an emasculating bitch just because she won’t drop out at their convenience'. It's because Obama is the better candidate of the two. Period. It seems the majority of voters so far feel likewise, and the longer she drags it out - for whatever reason - the more resentment she's going to instill. There's a difference between Gore quitting in 2000 and Hillary quitting now - Gore hadn't lost the election, he just didn't know it; Hillary has, and she does know it. It's time for her to stop now, so we can start concentrating on winning back the White House and Congress from the neo-con Republicans.
It really is just that simple.
Anyway, GNA.
Obviously the Carrot can't win. It has no flag pin.
Implying that Hillary has testicles IS sexist, and the perpetrator of the sexism is James Carville, Clinton supporter (reading helps).
Sorry, I have not accused you of being a megalomaniac, but have accused Hillary.
And you claim that the term "bitch" was tossed around, but I did a find and replace and YOU are the only one who has used the term in a meaningful way (someone did refer to someone "bitching" about paparazzi or that Barack will have a "bitch" of a time).
Like your candidate, you seem to lie for dramatic effect.
And I am not part of a cult (another Clinton canard that you seem to be spewing), so you can give your wide brush generalizations a rest.
And you will not be missed when you leave this thread. Your use of the word "bitch" (and misrepresentations about who uses it), and your calling people "fuckers" and part of some cult, reveal you to be pretty low grade as far as intellectual exchange is concerned.
Buh-bye. You'll find a more sympathetic crowd at Red State: they write Billary's talking points.
Merle @ 359:
i'm bored. is there a democratic candidate yet? *yawn*
mparker @ 362:
The carrot stands no chance. The GOP accused it of having an out of wedlock illegitimate baby with a passion fruit in the South Carolina primary.
Barrett D @ 364:
Go to bed perhaps.
Zzzzzzz.
Republicans would argue that the above carrot has some "serious flaws" like that crack on its side. They'd argue that it indicates the carrot is imperfect and would wither under a national emergency.
Of course, they'd STILL lose to the carrot in the general election, but that would be their strategery.
Hillary can't leave the race. She has yet to find her voice in Puerto Rico! She's just getting started.
Surprise, surprise - Fox News's website's headline is "Split Decision: Clinton Wins Indiana, Obama Takes N.C." There's so much dissection that can go into this. When one candidate wins by 14% in one state and the other by 2% in the other state, is that truly a split decision? I don't really think so. Indiana by itself was a split decision, sure. Now, am I reading too much into the fact that they placed Clinton's name first? Just by sequence of events, Obama's victory was decided before Clinton's. Why would they list either one first? These decisions aren't arbitrary. Now let's look at the verbs. Clinton wins, Obama takes. Again, am I reading too much into this?
The right clearly wants Clinton to stick around. Not only because of the party-weakening aspects of a prolonged race, but they would rather see Clinton vs. McCain. Maybe they think he has a better shot against her. Maybe they think if any Democrat ends up winning in November, Clinton might be more apt to play ball with their agendas.
Eh, whatsup, doc?
Will there ever be a Bugs Bunny brand of chewable, orange-flavoured, Viagra?
ding dong the witch is dead.....
rejoice and dance
despite 20 years in the national spotlight, despite a concerted effort by the MSM to lift her up and over, clinton's shameful and pathetic campaign is over....
rejoice..
Daily Reading pt 1...
Al Gore: Uncommitted Superdelegate Committed to Stopping Climate Change - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/al_gore-uncommitted_superdelegat...
Gore became impassioned as he talked about how, instead of leading, the U.S. blocked leadership in Bali regarding climate change. A twenty-year old delegate from Papua New Guinea famously addressed the U.S. delegation with, “If for some reason you are not willing to lead, leave it to the rest of us,” he said. “Please, get out of the way.” And the rest of the world’s representatives cheered. Our delegation finally effectively said, “Ok, we'll get out of way.” A shameful episode in U.S. history, whose retelling nearly brought Gore to tears.
Gore thinks that, if we take action, China and India will join the U.S. in confronting the environmental crisis. Japan and Germany, he said, are already there. But we need to stop borrowing money from China to buy oil from Saudi Arabia.
Gore stated, China could be brought into being a part of the solution to the crisis. And they already have better auto standards and tree-planting efforts than we do.
Al also addressed the pathetic state of a media obsessed with stories about Paris Hilton and “KFed,” saying the media needs to remember that they are providing a public service, and are not just a business. The same number of questions in the 2008 election have been asked about UFO sightings as about climate change.
And, had we stuck with the solar efforts started in the 1970’s during the oil crisis, he said, we would not be in the situation we are now. Solar energy, a longtime passion for Gore, can, he said, supply all our energy needs if we can figure out how to properly recover it. Buried transmission lines can bring energy from areas with abundant sunshine to the areas that need energy the most. The results would be less debt, and fuel that would eventually be free.
And on the other end of the spectrum of reality OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY?: Nukes for all, McCain calls for 700+ new nuclear plants costing $4 trillion - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/5/17528/37750
I'm not even going to start on what in the (insert words here) to do with the thousands of metric tons of waste with a radioactive half life of 5,000 years...
There truly aren't words for how idiotically insane this is..."A nuke in every garage" is the GOP nominee's energy and climate plan.
First of all, there isn't enough uranium in the earth for this magic bean BS....Second of all the enormous amount of water needed would render drinking supplies non-existent....it is infinitely incalculable how stupid this truly is....
Obama 08
Wow, 1956 New York Times Article Warned of Warmer Climate - http://www.desmogblog.com/1956-new-york-times-article-warned-of-warmer-c...
Seems that the idea that human activity is causing climate isn't new at all. The headline in the October 28, 1956 edition of the New York Times warns:
"WARMER CLIMATE ON THE EARTH MAY BE DUE TO MORE CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE AIR"
Before Big Oil became the 'free market' profit before all other considerations propaganda machine for the GOP/right wingnut War on Science...the truth was out there...
Obama wins big in NC, Clinton Ekes Out a Bare 1% Point Win in Indiana, But Ends the Evening Seeing Obama Gain Back What He Lost in the Popular Vote in PA (Due to His Large Win in NC) -- And Obama Ends the Evening with a Net Gain in Pledged Delegates
; Jonathan Alter: Obama shows resilience in nearly clinching the nomination - http://www.newsweek.com/id/135832
Obama needs only 149 delegates to clinch nomination...with over 200+ Superdelegates left & 196 pledged left in remaining contests...its all up to the Supers
Obama Wins by Double Digits in North Carolina. Clinton Ekes Out the Barest of Wins in Indiana. Watch the Superdelegates Accelerate Their Move to Obama. He Possibly Will Catch Up with Clinton in Superdelegate Commitments Within the Next Seven Days. Short of Ripping the Democratic Party in Half Over Michigan and Florida, It's Over for Clinton. The Math is a Reality That Her Latest Incarnation as Rocky Cannot Overcome.
- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24481004/
F.B.I. Raids Office of Special Counsel, Scott Bloch - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/washington/06cnd-inquire.html?hp
The raid took place at the office of Scott J. Bloch, the head of the Office of Special Counsel. Computers and documents were seized by agents trying to determine whether Mr. Bloch obstructed justice by hiring an outside company to "scrub" his computer files, The Associated Press reported. Investigators were also said to be obtaining a subpoena to search Mr. Bloch's home.
A felony under the Hatch Act (politicizing the policing & witch-hunting of whistleblowers by order of Bush crime family)....another Bushevik corruption scandal brewing...
Anonymous Source @ 369:
don't you get it man, NC doesn't count, because that was all black folk that gave her that huge margin........or so that's the argument the MSM and the clinton team is making in silent wink-wink codepeak....
Daily Reading pt 2....
Neocon Theater of the Absurd & Clueless: White Houses, Right Whales and Moby Dick Cheney: by Michael Winship - http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/06/8757/
As the candidates engage in an ultimately pointless, fruitless debate over whether or not to give the gasoline tax a summer holiday, the Office of Vice President Dick Cheney secretly has been developing a quaintly 19th century solution to the energy crisis. Whaling. At least, that’s one possible conclusion you might draw from last week’s report out of California Congressman Henry Waxman’s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
"Obama now has 1,592 pledged delegates to Clinton's 1,419. There are 217 delegates remaining to be pledged. Of those 217, Clinton would need to win 196 to beat Obama, or a victory of 90 percent to 10 percent. That's about as likely as Dick Cheney hitting 50 percent approval."
- http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33277
Debunking the Gas Tax Scam: It’s the Profits Stupid! Exxon's Rising Take from America: Will the Proposed Gas Tax Holiday Really Help? - http://thewip.net/contributors/2008/05/its_the_profits_stupid_the_ris.html
The gas-tax holiday proposal would only work if gas companies were not allowed to pocket that 18.4 cent difference by increasing pump prices anyway, to somewhere just below an 18.4 cent rise – which would leave the total price almost the same. Somehow, trusting and gas companies don’t quite fit together.
Indeed according to Slocum, “This is pointless pandering. There’s no guarantee prices will actually fall 18.4 cents, plus the Highway Trust Fund that the tax promotes is in need of the money, particularly for mass transit investment (which would be energy-friendly).”
If you don't vote Democratic in November bye, bye U.S.A.: Sen. John McCain moved to shore up his support among conservatives by pledging Tuesday to nominate strict-constructionist judges to the federal bench; Sadly, true justice won't be a factor
- http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/mccain-makes-pledge-on-c...
Bye Bye any regulation (hello complete corporatocracy - ie, bye bye democracy in any form whatsoever), Bye bye right to choice (reproductive rights), bye bye dollar (will be lower than peso)....
Newsweek (finally) looks at McCain and Hagee: A Turbulent Pastor 'John Hagee has his share of out-there opinions, but lucky for the candidate, he's in a moment of silence.'
- http://www.newsweek.com/id/135385
Why No HageeGate? Russert 'Explains' - http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/why_no_hageegate_russert_expla.php
McCain Aides Say Hagee Endorsement Was The Result Of 'Poor Vetting', even though 'some Republicans (not affiliated with the campaign) privately wonder how the pastor’s extreme views slipped through without notice. McCain personally wooed Hagee for more than a year.'
- http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/mccain-hagee-vetting/
Newspapers likely to be free in the future - http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL0214163420080506
"Newspapers seeking to compete with the Internet are likely to become free and place greater emphasis on comment and opinion in the future, a survey of the world's editors showed on Tuesday. The report, conducted by Zogby International for the World Editors Forum and Reuters, revealed that newspaper editors were still optimistic about the future of their publications but believed they would have to adapt further for the digital age."
Daily Reading pt 3...
WP:"Clinton Aides Doubtful About Future." Now There's an Understated Headline. BuzzFlash Suggested a Couple of Months Ago that Obama Appoint Clinton to the Supreme Court, Where She Would Excel. It's the Political Arena Where Her Worst Instincts Emerge, But on the Court -- Free of Political Ambition -- She Would Flourish.
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/07/AR200805...
Why Republicans NEVER BELONG IN GOVERNMENT: Rocket Bottle, EPA not super-interested in keeping rocket fuel out of drinking water
- http://grist.org/news/2008/05/06/perchlorate/
There is a "distinct possibility" that the U.S. EPA will pass on restricting perchlorate in the nation's water supplies, an agency official said Tuesday. Perchlorate, a rocket fuel ingredient that has been found at some 400 places in 35 states, can muck up normal thyroid function.
Wow...is there really anything left for the Republicans/Bush Crime Family to destroy????
ohio progressive @ 372:
I wish that was true, but we are going to have to go threw atleast two more weeks of this shit so Hillary can save face. In the long run it may not be a bad idea, democrats need to have the Clintons on board to help bring the party together. It is time both sides cut down on the trash talk and let this end on a happy note so we can kick the shit out of McWar/bush.
ohio progressive @ 372:
ding dong the witch is dead…..
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Uh excuse me, I'm a practicing Witch.
Kinda funny really, I have an ancestor who was an Archbishop of the Anglican church in 16th century Scotland.
Funny thing, I heard that whenever Bill Clinton and Hillary appeared together in Indiana it was like, "Oh wow, Bill's here. Wasn't he great? Oh yeah, I think Hillary was here too."
Chico Hussein @ 367:
No, we must worship the Holy Gourd and hop about on one foot.
cry cry darlings! rejoice in your youth , lets move on and get hillary elected!
tyree @ 380:
Hahahahaaaaaa....Good morning tyree.
tyree @ 380:
I think Hillary will be the one showing humidity today.
you people are getting redicules, this used to be a blog for all and the only posters who werent welcomed were trolls, you have turned this into another piece of shit , now its either go along to get along , my way or the highway, your either with me or against me ,dog eat dog , you run every clinton supporter off and treat them like they were republicans stab old friends in the back , pathetic !
morning xoites
if anyone will give me 20 to 1 odds, i'll bet a buck that clinton pulls a lieberman....runs as an independent (after going all the way to the convention)
actually, she might actually have a shot at winning that way, if you think about it...if she picks a really good Veep.... after all, there is essentially no contender on the republican side......
obama should be able to unify the party pretty easily, once hillary clinton bows from the race. he never did throw the kitchen sink, as hillary clearly did, in plain view, for every american to witness.
even when down by 25 points, obama never brought up the real dirt he could have brought up. sure, his supporters did, and i am certainly guilty as charged. but obama kept an even keel and a level head.
clinton won't be his vp. we'll need her in the senate. and america truly needs an opportunity to not have to vote for or against a ticket with the names clinton or bush -for the first time since 1976.
he was probably never his choice for vp, either. i assumed it would be evan bayh.
there are plenty of other qualified women obama could invite to his ticket, plenty not in congress, which is what really matters.
more than anything, i hope he finds a vp like him, who will carry on his (and our) agenda faithfully, should he pass away. no military-industrial trojan horse, like lbj. no corporatist reptile like lieberman.
finally, i'm w/ mystic, above. i pray obama's secret service don't get haughty, or careless. all eyes are on you, gents. take care of our guy, history shows us there are nut jobs who take cheap shots.
so, any of you out there of the prayin' type, say a few words for our presumptive nominee, the senator from illinois.
*he was probably never her choice
VP-- obama's gotta go with jim webb or clair mcckaskill (sp?) or elizabeth edwards (offer john the ag, but nothing else)
haven't heard any other names that are meaningful...evan bayh is a joke....about as substantial as dan quayle
Barrett D @ 364:
No, not quite yet. And Operation Chaos has been an abject failure. Both Dem camps and all their supporters are getting along just fine.
One big happy family all under one gigantic tent.
tyree @ 383:
Come on tyree, its not all that bad. Ive seen some pretty hatefull things coming from both camps and its time this ends. This thing has been going on for 15 months and we are coming to the end. The fact of the matter is Hillary can't win. If Obama was in the same place I would say the same thing for him. It is time now for progressives and dems to get behind Obama with the Clintons help and heal the party so we can defeat McCrazy come Nov.
tyree @ 383:
ty, are you a wicked witch of the east sympathizer? myself, i'm a glenda the good witch kind of guy...
dennis @ 389:
Does that upset you?
diamondmc @ 392:
Not in the least. It's rather amusing reading to see the bickering and infighting and then pretending that everything will all come together like a beautiful plan- like it always does for you.
diamondmc @ 390:
this election was not desighned to get the democrats together! its desighned to tare the party apart! and it will! we are doing just like the corporations wanted when they forced clinton and obama on us put whites against blacks , allow repigs to cross over and vote for someone they dont intend to vote for in the national election, and to devide old friends and turn them into the enemy, this blog shows some of that! karl rove is laughing his ass off !the plan is going according to plans! and from what ive seen of indiana voteing machines no paper trails i have no doubts this elections going to be stoled again!
Rather sues
for being blacklisted.
My friends, this has been one long ass primary season.
BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 15:
You quoted me in the last thread but they locked the thread before I got to respond. If you think Obama doesn't have work to do to heal the party then you're sorely mistaken. Going by the numbers, Hillary has the support of just under 50% of the Democratic base. Don't be so arrogant.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 34:
I want him to go through the pain, not you.
http://www.shirley08.com/rubber_chicken.php
i've officially moved to this thread.
gobama!
porkchop @ 32:
I was not refering to a political party. I am talking about Habeas Corpus, the Geneva Conventions, the Constitution, International respect and the list is almost endless.
russert just said we now know who the dem nominee is gonna be and "no one is gonna dispute it."
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 42:
The West's industrial regime sputters toward a cheap-energy-crackup conclusion.
With Obama finally looking to be locking the nomination up, allow me to indulge with my personal short list for Vice President. Let me know what you think, and lets hear yours.
Senators
Clinton- No. Stop.
Webb- No, need him in the senate.
Feingold- "
McCaskill- "
Biden- "
Murtha- "
Any other sitting Senators- We need them where they are.
Reps
Kucinich, Frank, McDermott- Don't know Reps too well but I'd be happy with any one of these three on the ticket.
Military
Clark-Nope to much with Clinton
Hagel- No, but definetly should be Sec. Defense, and announced before November.
Sestak- Too new, but should be an asset to the Democratic party. Good withdrawl plan.
Powell- Really?
Any other Military-Industrial connected candidates- No, too much anxiety of itchy fingers.
Others
Edwards- Nah, should be AG
Gravel- Love it, but come on.
Bloomberg- No thanks, maybe Sec. Treasury?
Dashel- Meh, nah.
Nunn- Meh, nah.
Gore- Heh, sure why not?
Any other "safe white guy" pick- No, for the same reason as military guys, sorry to say.
Govs-The key to victory.
Richardson- Sure, but I'd rather he were Sec. State
Patrick- Too much too soon. Would be fun to listen to though.
Gregoire- My own Gov, but no.
Napolitano- Great pick. Could even pull AZ out from under McCain.
Sebelius- WIN.
huh? @ 41:
He's going to do it.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 42:
Those thing too will pass. When we elect someone who understands the weight of the Constitution upon us all, its glory will shine again. Have faith.
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I don't want to wander too far of the subject of politics, but this is an open thread so I hope I will be forgiven. From todays news:
'San Diego State University has suspended six fraternities after a sweeping drug investigation that landed members of three fraternities in jail on suspicion of openly dealing drugs on campus.'
I didn't go to school in America, and have no first hand exposure to frats or sororities. From what I have seen in the media, I can't say as I'm impressed. I am just curious to know if anyone has first hand experience with frats/sororities and what their opinions are?
Just curious.
Tyree, I'm just curious -- you were a staunch Kucinich supporter and now you're for Hillary. What caused this decision?
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Dr. Acula @ 398:
i told you all enough about me , i told you all this elections a farce , no body listens , i respectfully decline to answer that question , i dont ask any here to explain why they vote for someone or support them, unlike a few who go after clinton with thier venom on here i dont call obama such trasy names , as i said what does it matter who i vote for in the end were all danceing to the corporations tune!
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and good morning dennis! dineing out !
Just saw bush on msnbc talking about the economy and the FISA bill. If Hillary and Obama supporters need any more reason to come together then that, then we all are really screwed.
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tyree @ 402:
you're a bit paranoid tyree.....corporate media can only do so much....they're peeing their pants about obama, and doing all they can to keep him down.....but it won't work....
the best man will win the contest in november (and it wasn't kucinich....although he has the prettiest wife)
obama will break the mold.....
if clinton were smart (and horribly selfish), she'll go through to the convention, and break from the party like her good friend Joe when she loses by 100 delegates........why should obama get a free ride (mccain is a corrupt moron, and only morons and greedy pigs will support him)....
so it'll essentially be a contest between obama and clinton....all the way to the whitehouse.....mccain will be ignored and laughed at, as he is now, as he will be forever by history...
407 mudshark hussein Says:
(D)on’t be to(o) hard on that spelling thing Tyree, at least you don’t have your head up your ass. I still like both candidates, so whom()ever wins is a win win too me. (O)h, one more thing, get ready for the barrage coming from the racist one.( )(H)e()he()he()he(.)
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so...is it over? or are we in for more?
When can we focus on runnin' McBains tired ass into obscurity?
Hey mudshark, don't go away, some of us value what you have to say.
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liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 413:
Technically, this thing has been over ever since Wisconsin and Obama put it to bed when he split Texas. The media has been carrying her ever since then.
I think this goes on to May 20th so she can raise money to pay off her debts. She won't put much money into West Virginia and Kentucky because she'll win those by default and concede Oregon. They should stop running against each other and just run against Bush and McCain. Obama should win Oregon and clinch the pledged delegate total, and Hillary will have two more victories under her belt to exit with grace.
Split Michigan 50/50 and let Hillary win Florida 55-45 to get them seated.
diamondmc @ 414:
thanks diamondmc, I'll be here, you can count on that.
I was checking the Electoral Map for both 2000 and 2004, and boosh won both Indiana and South Carolina both times, although with Florida and then Ohio, we can't be sure how honestly.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/bnfiles/pics/uspolitics2004/maps/2000resu...
http://www.race2004.net/maps-2004/mapnader.gif
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liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 413:
it's over for sane people, non-racist people, and flexible supporters (ie, not the "my girl do or die" type)
that leaves clinton, who is in it until she breaks from the party in august.... and the "my girl do or die" types to fuss and fight..... but really, not many are paying attention to them anymore....
it's a very smart strategy though, and might indeed work...
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Hillary just lent herself 6.5 million this morning. Besides being behind in delegate counts, states won she now has real money problems. It is time for super delegates to step up to the plate and end this one way or another.
diamondmc @ 426:
she's running until she splits Independent in august...
she's a genius...
i think it might work....and it's all fair....who needs a decrepit old sold out party, loaded with the likes of murtha and rockefeller
ohio progressive @ 423:
Need a little clarification on your last sentence...whose strategy are you referring to? (sorry, I have a head cold and I just ain't thinkin real sharp today)
You have no idea. You'll never get it.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 428:
she'll do what lieberman did...
she'll keep lowblowing obama until august...who knows, maybe he'll snap and lowblow back....they both look worse when they go at it....she trounced him in that last debate....
so the convention hands it to obama with a slight margin....she walks away with many of the delegates, starting some new party.....mccain is not a contender....so why should obama get a free ride in november.....
a 3 way debate between obama, clinton and mccain?...i think she'd wipe the floor with both of them (unless obama really improves....)
you heard it here first....
clinton is a genius, and i think this might actually work...
she won't get my vote, don't get me wrong...but she will get the white house
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 23:
I can't very well go to bed before the final results are in.
Suspense in Indiana: Clinton lead narrows
Clinton is finished. Adios
its like this site has become ffa future food of america , soilent green!
Peter G @ 48:
I call drinking game.
"Rev. Wright" garners one drink.
"tie-breaker" - one drink.
"Shared ticket" or equivalent - two drinks - gotta share.
@32 and 42
At least in these rebuilding years the Dems have a lot of good prospects and a few rising superstars to help carry the team and the Country.
Ron @ 30:
Is that his head you are talking about? ;)
...and some solid veterans too, can't forget them.
Can't they count faster. I'm two beers past a full bladder.
http://www.revver.com/video/425453/joe-pass-solo-jazz-guitar/
... and donate to smile train - the kids need it.
tyree @ 50:
wassup, tyree? I thought you called it for your gal, HRC, two weeks ago!
LibertyLover @ 53:
I hear "Limbaugh" and I think of Bill hicks. Sue me.
porkchop @ 51:
Flag-pin - two drinks
LibertyLover @ 53:
Both asses.
Jeff Farias is covering Indiana now for Novam.
http://www.novamradio.com/live/stream.php
Blue Lensman @ 57:
you aint won yet!
Typically White and Bitter Agent Hussein Provocateur @ 52:
Gives the Cons 4 to 8 years to plan out their next rip off of America.
If things continue the same way, he picks up 56K. She gets 20K.
The 20K lead for Clinton turns into a 16K victory for Obama.
My response:
Typically White and Bitter Agent Hussein Provocateur @ 45:
Does anyone disagree with Tim Russert that Obama is the nominee now?
tyree @ 62:
But Hillary is finished.
xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 65:
well, the last two are Women, so you're off to a fine start.
Ron @ 60:
I've only heard him on satellite. How does one make the distinction? Count orifices?
Typically White and Bitter Agent Hussein Provocateur @ 45:
Don't ya even consider mucking about with my Senator! We need him to counter all the crazy Republicans in this corner of the state.
porkchop @ 28:
It seems certain to me that a Dem will win the White House.
However with an asshat like Mitch Mcconnell as the minority leader in the Senate, that Dem Prez will need perhaps a minimum of 55 Dems to move the agenda along. Also that Dem Prez would more than likely only have a time table of 2 years to set thing right before the 2010 election that might switch the House or Senate back to the Repugs.
ohio progressive @ 427:
You might want to read this about Clinton and think otherwise. She is no genius and splitting off to run as an independent would be political suicide.
www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/04/8702/
diamondmc @ 426:
Clinton has lent her campaign a total to date, as reported by CNN today, of 11.4 million dollars.
This from Howard Wolfson described as her 'campaign advisor'.
Obama has:
won more states
won more votes
won more delegates
raised substantially more money from substantially more donors
and not rung up a string of unpaid bills along the way
I would be interested to know where Wolfson thinks that Clinton is competitive, other than her own mind.
It is over.
Wow, there so much flaming going on her today, for a moment I thought I walked into a drag-queen review.
ohio progressive @ 430:
Ok Now I see...she may split indie as you say...but grab the WH... pffffft!! No way!
The Repugs are chompin at the bit to run against her. They have SO MUCH AMMO to use against her. And as for her speaking prowess...I am not impressed...she's so bloody fake...it's ridiculous! She wants the office so desperately, she's willing to say anything to anyone, and THAT will be her undoing.
ysbaddaden @ 433:
HA! Oh thtop it you thavage!
Finally Timeh acknowledges all my emails!!!! It is about fucking time. Now it is your turn to send your emails. Let them know.
Anyone that thinks Clinton will run as an independent should remember '92.
Bill Clinton unseated George I because would have been President Perot received 19 million votes, taking more from the Republicans than the Democrats.
Without Perot in '92 it would have been Bush and not Clinton.
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