Pastor Hagee apologizes for Anti-Catholic remarks. Will Bill Donohue's media black out be lifted?
By John Amato Monday May 12, 2008 5:45pm
I'd assume that he got a tremendous amount of pressure from McCain's camp and under the non-stop posts from the liberal blogs---Pastor Hagee recanted his anti-Catholic hatred.
John Hagee, an influential Texas televangelist who endorsed John McCain, apologized to Catholics Tuesday for his stinging criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and for having "emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews."
Hagee's support for McCain has drawn cries of outrage from some Catholic leaders who have called on McCain to reject Hagee's endorsement. The likely Republican nominee has said he does not agree with some of Hagee's past comments, but did not reject his support.
Like clockwork, Bill Donohue said all is forgiven. What a political tool this man is. Hey, what's a few decades of anti-Catholic hatred compared with a politically motivated apology that means absolutely nothing. Donohue just sold out Catholics everywhere.
Donohue, one of Hagee's sharpest critics, said he accepted the apology and planned to meet with Hagee Thursday in New York. "I got what I wanted," Donohue said in an interview. "He's seen the light, as they like to say. So for me it's over."
The Catholic League's loud mouth had this to say about Hagee previously:
Donohue: This thing is out of bounds and this is why McCain has to look at thi—this–it’s the totality of what the man stands for. He’s been bashing Catholicism for decades and making a mountain of money over it.
There was a virtual black out of Bill Donohue from the world of TV media when McCain sought and received Hagee's endorsement, but I believe we'll see him all over the airwaves now in the next few days. How fast will Matthews have him on?
Bruce Wilson has followed Hagee a bit and writes:
McCain Endorser Pastor John Hagee: God Curse and Doom America.
"As a nation, America is under the curse of God, even now." That ominous slam at America came from Pastor John Hagee, whose endorsement Republican presidential candidate John McCain he is "glad to have." Hagee claims God's "curse" and "doom" is upon America because of two key issues: reproductive freedom and broad support for the teaching of the theory of evolution.
Hitler and the Nazis were God's agents.
Hagee claimed the Roman Catholic Church conspired with Hitler to kill Jews in the Holocaust but also, in the same book, blamed the Holocaust on Jews themselves (for worshiping idols) and wrote that Hitler and the Nazis were actually working for God, divine agents sent to chase Jews, through the rather inefficient and brutal mechanism of killing them in massive numbers, towards Palestine, "the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have."
Good Donohue.
And what about Hagee's Iran/Armageddon theories?
But 62 days after he declared himself "very proud" and "honored" to the have the endorsement of the End Times Pastor John Hagee, Republican John McCain still has not answered - or even been asked - the question that should concern all Americans:
Does John McCain agree with Pastor John Hagee that war with Iran is the fulfillment of the biblical prophecy of Armageddon?...read on
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As a Christian, let me be frist to say that God hates pious a-holes that claim to fulfill His will but are heretics that mock and take a dump on the Faith. John Hagee is a madman, and should have no power to affect politics. Christians have no business in politics. Did Jesus try to become Simon Bar Kokhba and overthrow Rome? No! So why are these fools trying to become the false Messiah's servants, and not Jesus's?
o snap, donohue's a puppet??
Hagee's "doom America" comment is proof of the ridiculous double standard the media holds against Obama/Wright
General_Rennenkampf @ 1:
And to that I say Amen.
Actually, Chris Matthews just took him to task. Basically said Hagee's apology was a non-apology, and that Donohue didn't speak for Matthews (who is a proud Catholic.)
Donohue sent out the 'all is forgiven' notice from his organization. I guess he is so intent on keeping Sen. Obama from becoming president that he will make his own deal with the devil(s) to help bring about the 2nd Coming of McSame.
Ticketron has just announced a one time only cage match. Tickets on sale now for Hagee v. Donohue in a grudge match with the loser submitting to the inquisitor of the victor's choice. They haven't announced a site, the run off is between Salt Lick and Nawlans. Details to be announced. Match is to the death, each allowed their own god thingy as second, and in the ring with them at all times.
details to follow
At least Wright sticks to what he believes, as opposed
Hagee's becoming just another McPanderer...
Wait until the election's over, by the way, if you want
to know what he really thinks.
Miatch @ 4:
I'm sure many Catholics won't accept Hagee's lame "apology". Donohue only speaks for his organization, not the majority of Catholics. I give Tweety credit for saying this.
Those of us who live in the heart of the heartland just experienced an earthquake recently. Not a strong one but it did have many aftershocks. The scientists have been warning us for years that eventually the big one will come. Does this mean we can all rest easy now?
Hagee ain't sorry for what he said
He's sorry he was caught saying it
By anyone other than his crazed cracker congregants
Who ate it up
Like roaches eat s**t sandwiches.
Charlatans, one and all.
The caption should read: "McBush's pastor apologizes for being a bigot"
One day Bill Donohue will meet his maker and will be told outright that the Big Guy thinks he's a fraud and NOT what a Catholic should be and then will be escorted to his special place in hell.
Roket @ 9:
No, it means you should be more worried. As I understand geology, the rate and strength of quakes increases the closer it gets to the big one, when the faults move.
Yes, I'm a Christian (evangelical, no less!) who accepts evolution and geology.
So Pastor Hagee would consider me worse than most Christians think of Dawkins.
"Pastor Hagee recanted his anti-Catholic hatred."
Just like that, eh? What a fickle man. You know, there are people who go to their death for strong religious beliefs. I guess Hagee isn't one of them.
Dear Lord please let Hagee and Donohue get in a hate filled debate on National tv.
14 General_Rennenkampf
So Pastor Hagee would consider me worse than most Christians think of Dawkins.
_________________________________________________________________________
That would be easy, since most Christians don't consider Dawkins so bad, since only a tiny minority don't accept evolution.
Is Hagee also going to apologize to NOLA for saying they deserved Katrinia?
BTW when did Hagee last attack Catholics?
ysbaddaden @ 17:
Which is better than I thought. Considering where I live, most of those Christians, if they even know who Dawkins is, consider him one of those "EBIL IMMORAL ATHEISTS." Personally, I think Dawkins writes much better than that pap they sell in the Christian stores, so I'm a little bit bemused by their hysteria over good literature. His works are insulting if you take Christendom as seriously as those yahoos in the denominational hierarchies do, but otherwise, nah.
CD @ 18:
The answer to the first question is no, the answer to the second question is the last time he opened his mouth.
If that's the way Donahue wants to play then I'm ready. I
amwascould have beenknowhave heard of some catholics andwethey are PISSED OFF!19 General_Rennenkampf
The problem is as a whole, Americans compartmentalize their preconceptions. Large percentages of Americans see no problem with teaching creationism or intelligent design side-by-side with evolution, and see that as being fair. Never mind one is thological the other biological.
They also believe in aliens visiting from other planets (UFO'S), angels, visions and magic
But then as a practicing Witch myself, I'm not excluding myself.
I haven't experienced a lot of success in life, however, I do think my experiences with the Craft acted as shock therapy on my brain. I'm always trying to some success to learn as much as possible, whereas before I was your typical late 70's slacker.
So we can expect Hagee to also apologize for his other hateful remarks, such as:
1. "Well Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews." From an NPR interview Hagee gave to Terry Gross in 2006
2. "All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." From the same NPR interview
3. "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day." Source
4. "Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist." Source
5. Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a "slave sale" to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, "The Cluster."
The item was introduced with the sentence "Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." Source: Media Matters
Leslie [Hussein] @ 23:
Don't push it Ms. Leslie Hussein.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
oh man
ha ha ha ha ha hahahahah
please make them stop!
ha ha ha
ysbaddaden @ 22:
You're right. Didn't realize you were Wicca. For a time I was looking into Polytheistic Reconstructionism.
However, one thing that I absolutely despise about today's Christians is that they ignore all the good of Christianity and magnify the flaws. Even in the Apostolic generation, the flaws were there, but the good was more present. Nowadays the flaws are everywhere and the good seldom found.
General_Rennenkampf @ 1:
How do you know who God hates? You are no more God's spokesman than these two numbnuts.
I could be high, but what in the hell was he talking about there?
Hmm. Seems like the politically expedient thing to do. Hagee hasn't changed his spots, I wouldn't trust him.
I guess Jeremiah Wright needs to apologize for everything he has said. Until then, the Republicans have once again won the "battle of the issue".
So he's saying that the Roman Catholics are/were assholes and they should be wiped off the map or something?
George W. Gump @ 27:
You can be pretty sure that you have created god in your image when god hates all the same people you do.... paraphrased Anne Lamott
Tough shit, fuckwit!
Your words are as vacuous as the box next to your brown-nosing Rethug pal's name will be on my ballot come November.
If there is a Hell, may you be as miserable as possible in it. If there isn't one, maybe some of us on Earth can work out some arrangement for you that will be close.
Keep your ugly face and heart out of my life.
LibertyLover @ 32:
George W. Gump @ 27:
I was using their rhetoric to make a point. These yahoos are Satan's agents, not God's. I don't know who God hates, but I don't think He loves people who use His name to justify the destruction of the world He made.
26 General_Rennenkampf
It's all pretty much Polytheistic Reconstructionism. That a point of contention in the rivalry between Pagans and Witches. Witch communities have brought back many Pagan traditions, first Italian under Charles Leyland, and then a more generic Western European version under Gerald Gardner, and more recently the Celtic trad. However, even those in the Celtic trad worry some about what happened to the German trad during the 1930's-1940's and don't want to repeat the same mistakes.
Interestingly besides eclectic who take from any tradition, as long as it feels right (a little too New-Agey for me), Egyptian and Amerindian is making a come-back (offending some Native Americans).
I prefer to use the term Witch, because of it's gut-punch quality, and because Wicca is both masculine and plural, Wicce is feminine, so I prefer to roughly Latinize the Saxon plural with Wiccae, which is more inclusive.
To be technical though much of the religions of Pagans and Witches is pantheistic not necessarily polytheistic. Wiccae also tends toward dualism, but not of the Zoroastrians with their eschatological battles between an all Good Ahura Mazda and an all Evil Ahriman (who presumably drives a Datsun.) This is a dualism of the mingling of opposites to bring new life typified my God and Goddess, the blade and the chalice, night and day, winter and summer etc.
The interesting thing is early Jews and Christians tended to be hentheistic and later dualistic, in the more Zoroastrian mold of the Persians (Iran and Iraq), but rarely monotheistic except in heretical groups who saw God as creating the Devil, the Devil is related to God like Odin and Loki, or as the Demonic Shadow of God. I think the expression is Diobolus inversius Domine.
I wonder how much of Cindy's beer money did it take to buy those empty words from this pig?
ysbaddaden @ 35:
Christianity is still henotheistic, and certainly a lot of Christians seem to have a polytheistic understanding of Trinitarian doctrine (thank you, Bishop Athanasius). It's also dualistic in the modern era. Most Dommies and evangelicals refer to the Adversary as if he were Ahriman. And then you have the angels and saints business in some traditions....
"Monotheism" in the sense that Christians, Jews, Muslims, certain versions of Hinduism, Sikhs, Baha'i, and Zoroastrians believe in does not exist. There's a devotion to one being above others, but there is still the acknowledgement of multiple divine beings, instead of focusing all devotion on one being only. One advantage Neo-paganism and Reconstructionism (polytheistic, not pseudochristian) have is that they openly acknowledge a more human faith, in terms of traditions and concepts of the Divine.
I checked and Diabolus inversus Domine is a mangled quote of Quintus Septimus Florens Tertulllianus's, "Diabolus semia Dei," with a another where I can't quite remember the Latin, where the Devil is simply the shadow of God's light, thus maintaining a certain monad nature, although blasphemous in its concept since they can't be seperated, similar to the anathemized teaching of OreginesAdamantius, and even Pelegius.
You'll excuse me, but I feel my booze kicking in and it makes me ramble so.
ysbaddaden @ 38:
Well, Christianity itself was originally Jewish, with a Jewish founder and within 300 years had turned into "Burn a Jew for Christ", so what's that say?
But Trinitarian doctrine was Paganistic in it's outset.
You have Zeus and his brothers Poseiden and Hades.
You have he Aesir with Odin and his brothers
But before all this you had Brahman, Vishnu and Shiva (and an earlier version preceding them.)
It appears to be seasonal, planting, harvesting, and winter. The Goddess Waxing, Waning and New Moon.
The Arian Christians pushed the Monad theme of Iudacai Monotheism, and the theologians favored by Constantine favored the Trinitarian theme.
They even had a controvery at one time over whether Mary should be called Christotokos or Theotokos, was it the Nestorian heresy?
ysbaddaden @ 40:
Yes, I'm aware of it. There were repeated Indo-European triads, and an ancient Egyptian version. I'm somewhat sure that in Mexica and Inca mythology there was a triad figure, as well.
But, yes, Arius pushed the idea that God was One (the Father) and that the Son was His most favored agent, but still a creature. It wasn't Constantine that favored Athanasianism, he willingly exiled Bishop Athanasius. Athanasianism didn't completely win over Byzantium until after Athanasius died.
As for Miryam mother of Isa, the Theotokos controversy was later, post-Nestorius.
An interesting take on Christianity, one that nearly beat what is today's orthodoxy is Marcionism, which IMHO, is responsible for one of the Gospels...
the agents of god are destroying themselves
The Egyptian version you may be alluding to was Isis, Osiris and Horus against Set.
One could even include Heracles who was the synthesis to Hera and Zeus's thesis and antithesis. They were found together in some temples.
I thought I was saying Constantine favored the Trinitarian view not Athanasianism. I was using the term anathemize to mean to forbid, although it seems derived from the name of an ancient Semitic Goddess Anat (Arabs are Semites too.)
As for an earlier point of yours I'm not sure if Christianity was ever particularly Jewish. The ethics are fairly similar to the Pentateuch, or the Torah if you will, and even the Essenic movement. But the Essenes became active well before the purported birth of Yeshua Bar Joseph. Buddhism was spreading throughout the Roman Empire which included Israel. One book of the New Testament I can't rememember refered to the foolish women wailing outside the temple that some scholars have taken to a reference to a Jewish version of Cybele and her slain lover Attis, becoming our Easter (derived from Eostre a Saxon Goddess of Regeneration and possibly Esther in the Bible, called by earlier Christians Paschal.) I want to say it's found in Jeremiah.
But speaking of Herakles, Saul of Tarsus (our St Paul) was from Tarsus, which was dedicated to Herakles, another virgin son of a God. So despite our inherited story of Saul's conversion on the Road to Damscus, he may've had other influences. I still think the first great heresy in the listed 13 Great Heresies, the Circumcisors, were from the church of Jerusalem headed by James, who is credited for the Protoevangelium which gave us to the story St Joachim, and St. Hannah (Ann) who gave birth to their daughter Miriam, not as a virgin, but as a barren women, in the Immaculate Conception.
You also have to remember that Yeshua Bar Joseph (I'm not sure if masculine parentage is Bar or Ben) was a Nazarene. They were recent converts and generally looked down upon by the Jews. So when Pontius Pilate had nailed up a sign saying INRI (Iesus Nazarone Rex Iudacai) he who really spurning not Yeshua, but the Jewish community, implying they were being led by an outcast.
But now my dinner is ready, and Bela Lugosi in Chandu Returns awaits.
I was taught that God is loving. What false god is this guy worshiping?
Great the religious boy toys will boff each other and continue sniping after November. God is after all a fucking brain dead moron has no clue in all his godlike power that the old white boys are playing him for the ass they think he is. Whatever.
Hagee and Donohue fuck each other in manly way. McCain spanks his monkey, the media sighs in an adoring cute way and the religious right climax. Blah Blah Blah. Same old shit different election year.
How about the gay slurs you useless shit?
And from Silver Owl above . . . my favorite blog quote of the week:
"Hagee and Donohue fuck each other in manly way. McCain spanks his monkey, the media sighs in an adoring cute way and the religious right climax. Blah Blah Blah. Same old shit different election year."
According to Hagee God controls the heavens? What's with all the tornadoes in the bible belt this week?
Oh, and everyone, be sure to point out to all your still-supporting-Bush and racist friends and neighbors that Bob Barr is a true conservative, and is an actual option to McCain!
CD @ 16:
That would be awesome!
And we could point out to the world that these batshit insane people do not represent religious people. They represent Republican religious wackos.
Bill Donohue is a media-made stooge for conservative clap-trap-- he has no standing within the church and the Catholic League has no official standing but is made up of ultra-right wing conservative nut jobs just like their spokesperson.
I got to thinking,
how are these preachers like Hagee and Robertson who say that tolerance for homosexuality is to blame for hurricanes Katrina and Andrew respectively, any different from those protestors at the soldiers' funerals who say that tolerance for homosexuality is to blame for the death of the soldiers?
and why isn't anyone pointing out this comparison?
The LUNATICS have not only taken over our government but also our churches.
God help us ... but as it says, in the last days we'll see many crazy people (or something to that effect).
That's not a Christian, that's a RELIGIOUS NUTCASE.
god damnit! it's not about the friggin' catholics! it's about:
john hagees' armageddonites over at CUFI believe that we must go to war with iran in order to expedite the second coming of christ and the "rapture" and all jews will have to accept jesus christ as their savior and messiah or endure: "THE MOTHER OF ALL HOLOCAUSTS." although judaism inherently disbelieves such nonsense the zionists embrace these pro-israel christians -- joe lieberman even compares the pudgy little gluttonous sinner hagee to moses and calls him a: "EESH ELO KIM" which is hebrew for "MAN OF GOD." these armageddonite whackos are VIPs at the AIPAC conferences, benjamin netanyahu speaks at the CUFI conferences and john mccain solicited hagee's endorsement for his presidential bid.
every american should watch these vids to get a grip on how dangerously twisted these cultist freaks are and and what torrid and shameful pandering is bestowed upon them by some of our worlds most powerful leaders and dignitaries: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/watch.html and: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_...
please take the time to inform yourselves . . . this is our path to victory in 2008. Spread the link and bring awareness to this sick, twisted, horrific anti-American fascist ideology and agenda.
We do not need these people controlling the most powerful position in the free world -- it would be to our certain peril as a free nation.
And what about apologizing for his anti-gay remarks? Not that many Americans are concerned about those.
As a Texan, I've worked alongside Hagee followers, and they are frighteningly Armageddon-minded. Many would seemingly love to bring it on at the earliest opportunity in order to punish their perceived enemies and bring back Jesus.
Oh go hump an altar boy.
2fargone @ 53:
Yep. Crazy Christian Zionists happily work hand in hand with radical Jewish Zionist zealots, each positive that the celestial dictator will torture the other somehow in the end. Toss in the anti-Israel, anti-American radical Muslims who earnestly believe that the celestial dictator will reward them for acts of violence, and we have a whole lot of people who would see, to borrow Sam Harris' phrase, silver linings in mushroom clouds.
This does not make for a stable (or even sustainable) world. But Gone InSane wants the endorsement of the American Christian Zionists. This has terrifying implications for our foreign policy.
Has anyone ever asked, and got it on tape, a major candidate whether he as a christian agrees with his faith's most important dogma, that all non-christians spend eternity in hell?
General_Rennenkampf @ 41:
Geez, you guys completely lost me, and I mean that in a good way. Heathen and atheist that I am. You know about more Gods, the history and the myths surrounding them than Edith Hamilton.
When it comes to Gods and Goddesses, however, I go with what Einstein said: "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. "
Well, it's certainly a relief that Rev. Hagee has apologized for his remarks about Catholicism. Between that and McCain's flip-flop on abortion, now all my fellow Catholics can find it in their hearts to vote the way the really want to anyway.
And I know that Hagee's apology is totally sincere. I mean, just because this guys been ranting against Catholics for years and years and years, this simple statement shows he's seen the llight.
Kathy in St. louis @ 59:
Now if only Hagee will apologize for his remarks about women, Jews, blacks and everyone else.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 60:
He's fairly old and probably doesn't have enough time left here on earth to apologize for all the crap he's said over the years.
I'm getting older, too, and know that I should be "cramming for my finals", but the more I see of religious people, the more I think I'm not all that jazzed about spending an eternity with a lot of them.
Man, I wish these wanktards would make up their minds. Last I heard, Darwin was personally responsible for Hitler. But if Hitler was doing God's work, doesn't that make teaching evolution okay?
I consider myself lucky that, with the strong Christian streak in my family, I have only one relative that I can call certifiably over-the-top Christian. And she at least has a plausible excuse--all the arthritis medications that she's been on for the last forty years. For all that, she still has a kind heart and bright spirit, which is more than I can say for Hagee, Donohue, or any of these vindictive, self-absorbed dogmatists. After all, it's far easier to put on the pretense of seeming pure than it would be to their hands with the (considerable!) work of being decent human beings. A year of living in homeless shelters and dumpster-diving for their suppers would do these asshats more good than anything they learned in God School.
P.S for Kathy@61: Maybe if you're lucky, Heaven will be like the joke where the guy who passes building guarded by two angels who "Shhhhh!" him when he asks why they're there. "That's where we keep all the Jehovah's Witnesses. They like to think they're the only ones here." Substitute your least-favorite flavor of God-bothering types, and it's still a good punch line. ;-)
.Listening to these blowhards talk I think we have another possible cause of global warming.
Waiting for religion to go the way of the hitching post (or Hitchins' post).
Just remember, many Christians fled to America to flee religious persecution....from other Christians. What nonsense we put up with.
Blue Lensman @ 11:
Here , Here .
praise the lord and pass the money .
Is it anti-Catholic to tell the truth about the church's crooked, often sexually morbid, lacking sense of morality? Or is it simply inconvenient for people who call themselves Catholics to admit that their religious institution has taken a number of questionable stances over the last millenium and half?
Have you seen Hugee's son? That 400 pound seed didn't fall far from the tree. I mean...how could it?
I'm John Hagee, and I'd like to say to Catholics everywhere that I'm sorry
that your mother is a whore.
The Catholic League are not "catholic leaders". They told Hagee to apologize 'cause they want McCain to win.
Tell this little twit to go eat another dozen doughnuts and be quiet!
Of course he "accepted" his apology. The reality is that these religions know that if that start battling each other on their particular points of faith the whole house of cards will start to crumble.
That's why you have these "inter-faith" gatherings consisting of people who, in-large, think that the people they are meeting with are blaspheming "god" and are going to hell (or something).
The scam/delusion continues unabated.
May Apollo bless you!
What a piece of shit this Hagee is. I wonder how his 'followers' feel about the flip-flop.
I'll bet there's been more press about this fanatic's apology than there ever was about his pre-apology endorsement of McCain. Like now it's okay to talk about this guy because the "only" controversial thing he said is in his past. Hmm, I wonder if he's said anything that has offended groups other than Catholics? Doesn't matter, the press probably feels like the Hagee story is officially done now!
Leslie [Hussein] @ 58:
That's often a better way at looking at things than organized religion.
I'm a member of an organized religion, but I am aware of the history and cultural impact of Doctrine and Dogma of the Church. Knowing that takes the wind out of your sails with regards to the "My God can beat up your God," nonsense. After all, Catholics have Siddartha Gautama as a saint!
So, I am a Christian, but not Hagee's type.
ysbaddaden @ 43:
The reference is to a parable of Yehoshua bar Yosef that refers to foolish women who weren't prepared for His coming, and the smart women who did prepare. Jeremiah is a book in the Tanakh, not in the Apostolic Testament.
But, to look at the climate Christianity emerged in, and that most early Christian converts outside the Middle East were from old European faiths, it would be a shock indeed if things like the Barlaam and Josaseph story weren't more common than realized. The aforementioned story is a transmission of the story of Siddhartha Gautama, called the Buddha. Buddha is a Catholic saint!
That man is an American comedic treasure! Ha Ha!
Hagee's whole theology is based on the fact that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.
However, when you peal off the denominational skins, all these right-wing fundamentalists fundamentally agree on a core set of principles -- the belief in the angry and judgemental God of the Old Testament that smites America (and by extension, Israel)'s internal and external enemies.
Hagee is a towering presence in the Christian Zionist movement, and his statements clearly enunciate the extremist Zionist view that Israel is the only true home of Jews. That he thinks Nazis fit into God's plans for chasing the Jews out of Europe, clearly shows the sheer insanity of his rationale for his extreme support for Israel! Jewish Zionists who consort with him really are dancing with the Devil, although even the founder of Zionism, Theodore Herzl, believe that anti-semitism could be "harnessed" to drive the Zionist project.
“I got what I wanted,” Donohue said. That's what it's all about, now isn't it?
Why are all these "pastors" fat?
“the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have.”
Nothing against Jews who decide to live in Israel, but I got real issues with people who think all Jews should be corralled there.
as a Catholic, i could give two fucks what bill donahue says or who he forgives.
for the record, hagee is a super-douche . . . no matter how many apologies he makes.
If you would like to do something about Mr. Donahue's acceptance of Hagee's apology, just e-mail him at
http://www.catholicleague.org/feedback.php?thankyou=1
I just did...and it felt very good.
Hagee is a meathead just like every other "preacher". It's amazingly arrogant to claim to know what happens to people after they die. However, the Catholic Church certainly takes the cake when it comes to corruption and outright stupidity.
RHM
How convenient!
Did McCain ally and Christian Zionist John Hagee just say that the meaning of the Book of Revelation changed?
Hagee lacks the courage of his convictions the same can be said for Christians the world over, which is why these pious end times charlatans are so full of shit. They are pathetic alarmists blaming the worlds problems on Satan and sinners and have shouting that God is coming back to burn everyone.
I say mankind will destroy himself two weeks before the scheduled return of our Creator- and at the current rate of decline it maybe even sooner- especially if Bush cancels the 2008 election at the very last minute and declares a state of emergency and institutes martial law- this is still a very possibility and it will be until his last minute in office.
Hagee should disrobe his papal clothes and start a blog on an Alex Jones website. Why don't the sound engineers just cut off the audio to his microphone?
58 Leslie [Hussein]
74 General_Rennenkampf
Essentially Christian views of God have been systemized that despite all the branches (Protestantism for the bulk of the branches) God can be summarized as:
Distant Disinterested
Distant Interested
Close Disinterested
Close Interested.
I'm guessing that the Catholics (Roman, Eastern, Anglican, Coptic and Assyrian) were of the first category, one creation and that's it, now we have to try to reapporach the Almighty through intermediaries.
The Deists, like so many of our Founding Fathers were presumably of the second category.
The cIntelligent Designm are of the third category, they're trying to sound non-religious but that God was God in the Gaps along every step of evolution. This would be a God that would raise empires and crush others, but with no particular concern with the individual. This might be one to would cause disaster for His own mysterious purpose, and not seem to be particularly concerned with collateral damage.
Probably the most common in Protestantism, like Hagee represents is the last category, God as a cosmic Ward Cleaver.
And even in the most Distant Disinterested God, if one believes in the Incorporationism, than that shows a certain amount of activity (interest), but they all make it a one time event, a take it or leave it.
I've never heard of your interpretation of the howling women outside the temple, archelogy show there was a statue of the Babylonian Sea God Dagon, as a half fish-half man in Jerusalem, and the prophets were always railing against the community following "false-gods." However, the interpretation makes a certain amount of moral sense, as a parallelism of the Biblical warning of the second coming that he will come like a thief in the night, presumably catching some unaware.
But you also have to consider myself as not an expert in Biblical studies, but a dabbler in the occult.
"Like clockwork, Bill Donohue said all is forgiven. What a political tool this man is. "
I thought of him as more of an "all-purpose" tool, as he is happy to shout about immigration and abortion as well as politics. Hell he probably shouts his wife down after a few Mickey's if the meatloaf is dry.
These offensive books are still available on Pastor Hagee's website.
And by the way, apologizing to Bill Donahue is like Tweedle Dee apologizing to Tweedle Dum. Donahue doesn't speak for all Catholics.
Does anyone know when this dip made the comment about the Catholic church being the "great whore"? A link would help.
VietnamVet @ 78:
Over-compensation for voided libidinous drives.
Oopsie, Dagon was Phoenician. At one point I understand the Romans made the Jewish temple into a temple of the Goddess Venus.
As a Catholic, I denounce Bill Donahue and declare EMPHATICALLY that he has not, does not, and will NEVER speak for me. He is only concerned with what is good for him and his factioned cause, which is decidedly NOT the Catholic Church as a whole.
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