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UPDATE: (Silent Patriot) There's also another race to follow closely tonight in Mississippi's 1st congressional district. Rep. Roger Wicker was promoted to the Senate after Trent Lott stepped down, and this seat, which went to Bush by 30 pts in 2004, has a realistic shot at going blue.

You can check the results here. We're pulling for Travis Childers.

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CD's picture

Clinton is going to win and it doesn't change anything.

Andotech's picture

Watching that video and listening to the reasons people gave for the way they voted proves that we get the government we deserve.

What a bunch of morons.

jasmoran66's picture

Move along folks, nothing to see here...

General_Rennenkampf's picture

Wonder how they'll spin a Clinton victory. I mean, both Dems have McPapen beat all to Hell and gone, but Jesus, dudes, get a nominee, and fast. The Republicans will only have to lift the attack ads ya'll will run against each other!

liberAL's picture

These people, Democratic voters, are truly scary. Don't they know what is going on? That Hillary has no chance to win? I agree with the idea it will not be soon that a woman will run for president again. But Hillary carries too much baggage. Bill.

Michael's picture

Yawn ...

L.A. Confidential's picture

General_Rennenkampf @ 4:

Wonder how they'll spin a Clinton victory. I mean, both Dems have McPapen beat all to Hell and gone, but Jesus, dudes, get a nominee, and fast. The Republicans will only have to lift the attack ads ya'll will run against each other!

Cons are going to unload the swift boat equivalent of the neutron bomb on Obama.

Vibius's picture

Wow, when you read and hear quotes like that... Makes you realize that we still have a long way to go in some states. Besides what kind of devote Muslim would marry an Atheist?

DarkAlly's picture

thats why this is so sad: that lady things you need to have money to run for president! Anyone should be able to run for president regardless of their personal financial history.

Billy Hussein's picture

The msm keeps pushing this "horse race" for bucks and ratings even while mostly acknowledging Obama will be the nominee.

Any idea how Hamas or Hezbollah voted in the West Virginia primary?

tyree's picture

clinton yeah hisss booo

Anonymous Source's picture

Already the big news sites are spinning this as bad news for Democrats - they're saying 50% of Clinton voters say they'd vote for McCain over Obama in exit polls, suggesting Democrats should be terrified if Obama's the nominee because he won't be viable. Gee, I wonder why people voting in a Democratic primary say they'd vote for a Republican in the general election if their choice doesn't get the nomination. Either they're lying or they're people whose opinions I (and hopefully other progressives) likely don't respect on most issues.

VietVet8666's picture

Who here thinks Obama will be the next president?

tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe's picture

WV?

Never heard of it.

Nel's picture

Not connected to the primary, just something that made me smirk.

It seems it's ok to label Obama the "anti Christ" but dare to suggest the reverse and that's just too much.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjViNDA4ZDFiMmZjZTg4YTM5N...

It would be kind of funny if he really was the second coming. Just the thought of dobson et al trying to explain themselves.

L.A. Confidential's picture

VietVet8666 @ 14:

Who here thinks Obama will be the next president?

-_-

DHSmd's picture

Extrapolating from exit polls (and adjusting slightly to reflect a binary election addiing up to 100%) I am going to predict Clinton 67% to Obama 33%, with Clinton winning a 10-delgate margin, 19-9.

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Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s @ 11:

Any idea how Hamas or Hezbollah voted in the West Virginia primary?

Pro-gun, they also support more expansive right to arms.

getalife's picture

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

L.A. Confidential's picture

getalife @ 20:

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

VietVet8666's picture

L.A.

Your comments are always right on!

General_Rennenkampf's picture

Vibius @ 8:

Wow, when you read and hear quotes like that... Makes you realize that we still have a long way to go in some states. Besides what kind of devote Muslim would marry an Atheist?

L.A. Confidential @ 7:

General_Rennenkampf @ 4:

Wonder how they'll spin a Clinton victory. I mean, both Dems have McPapen beat all to Hell and gone, but Jesus, dudes, get a nominee, and fast. The Republicans will only have to lift the attack ads ya'll will run against each other!

Cons are going to unload the swift boat equivalent of the neutron bomb on Obama.

L.A. Confidential: I fully understand that, and despite a hesitance to say it, Hillary is the better candidate in the general. Obama's pooped from all this. Hillary's energized, and after all the crap she's been through, frankly deserves the White House. I have no horse in this race, but of the two, from a power-politics perspective, Hillary is superior.

Vibius: Muslims and Christians both are forbidden to marry atheists, which has more to do with the survival of the tribal instinct in the religions than it does with anything else. Something that I, furthermore, consider ridiculous.

Janet's picture

80/20 will be the outcome if Hillary and her supporters are correct.
Only 17% are college educated.
Only 3% are AA.
There is Obama's 20%

L.A. Confidential's picture

VietVet8666 @ 22:

L.A.

Your comments are always right on!

Thanks. I'm not trying to be a son of bitch. But you know where I'm coming from.

DHSmd's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

getalife @ 20:

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

Replace "Obama supporters will" with "anyone who cares more about the country than race and identity politics should" and you have a statement that makes sense.

er's picture

man, do news agencies throw away intelligent comments on why people are voting for thier candidate? i live in seattle and my first memory of politics is a lady on tv who was voting for patty murry(whom i support btw). "i just love her! i'm voting for because... um ... well um.... because......, because she is a mom in her tennis shoes!" uggggghhhh. that was what the local media had deemed her. the mom in tennis shoes. now i'm 29 and its the same crap. i swear they are actors who are supplanted by the tv stations

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Anonymous Source @ 13:

Already the big news sites are spinning this as bad news for Democrats - they're saying 50% of Clinton voters say they'd vote for McCain over Obama in exit polls, suggesting Democrats should be terrified if Obama's the nominee because he won't be viable. Gee, I wonder why people voting in a Democratic primary say they'd vote for a Republican in the general election if their choice doesn't get the nomination. Either they're lying or they're people whose opinions I (and hopefully other progressives) likely don't respect on most issues.

How much sense does it make for WV to vote for mccain? After all mccain is more likely to send poor people to fight mcchimpy's 100 yr war.

I agree with your statement about dems voting repug in the general election.

hillary has this problem too. she claims her white, stupid voters won't vote for Sen. Obama if she doesn't win the primary.

sassafra's picture

i'm always amazed at how a primary or caucus can be called a "win" for a particular candidate when the % column for all the candidates are at 0%.

West Virginia Primary: Good Morning America Meets An Uninformed Voter

Good Morning America, on the scene in West Virginia, introduced their viewers to Janis. She's not a particularly enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter, but for her, Hillary has got one thing on Barack Obama: she's not a Muslim. Of course, neither is Obama.

KATE SNOW: Janis said she can't support Obama.

JANIS: He's Muslim and that has a lot to do with it. I just, you know, I just would rather have Hillary.

SNOW: Just for the record he constantly says he's a Christian -

JANIS: I know he does.

SNOW: You don't believe him?

JANIS: No.

Now, it's hardly newsworthy to learn that stupid people exist and they do, in fact, vote. I mean, we have this whole thing called "the Bush Administration" that more or less proves that. But it's a little astounding to hear Kate Snow, who, as a reporter, is ostensibly charged with informing the public, offer up the mealy mouthed, "Just for the record, he constantly says he's a Christian..." As Snow well knows, there's a reason that Obama constantly says he's a Christian: it is because he is a Christian. The correct response would have been, "I'm sorry, but you are mistaken." Or, failing that, at least show us a voter capable of making a passionate and authoritative case for Clinton.

Alice (Rome didn't fall in one day)'s picture

L.A. Confidential @ 7:

General_Rennenkampf @ 4:

Wonder how they'll spin a Clinton victory. I mean, both Dems have McPapen beat all to Hell and gone, but Jesus, dudes, get a nominee, and fast. The Republicans will only have to lift the attack ads ya'll will run against each other!

Cons are going to unload the swift boat equivalent of the neutron bomb on Obama.

Obama will try to get the nearly half of the country that never votes, out to vote.

There are picture ids to contend with, diebold, etc etc, it will be a challenge.

He will have money!

Barrett D's picture

aw snap. see what hilary has done!?!? cnn is saying exit polls indicate hilary backers are split on obama and mccain. for shame hilary

ysbaddaden's picture

You go girlfriend (snap snap).

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

getalife @ 20:

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

Obama would be in constant danger. Not that he is not already in danger, considering the hatred in this country.

L.A. Confidential's picture

General_Rennenkampf @ 23:

L.A. Confidential: I fully understand that, and despite a hesitance to say it, Hillary is the better candidate in the general. Obama's pooped from all this. Hillary's energized, and after all the crap she's been through, frankly deserves the White House. I have no horse in this race, but of the two, from a power-politics perspective, Hillary is superior.

Now your really putting me on the spot. LOL

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xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 343:

341 foreigner Says: xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 339:

Being from the South i occasionally do that when my aim is lousy.

I would just like to ask a personal question as to why you feel it necessary to have as part of your name (one white vote for Obama)?
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Because Hillary has stated publicly that i will not vote for Obama because of the color of my skin.

That really offends me.

Thanks for the explanantion. Funny though that I thought I heard CNN, the AP, MSNBC etc and others say that Hillary had "more" of the white vote in your last two contests in Indianna and WV but not "all" of it.

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xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 352:

I am as working class as it gets and i am a high school drop out. So i fit Hillary's largest constituency profile.

Well obviously you must not be as white as you thought. Hillary would never lie, so what gives.

Are you sure you are white working class? Any "incident" of impureness in the blood line...

xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution's picture

357 The Dude Says: xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 352:

I am as working class as it gets and i am a high school drop out. So i fit Hillary’s largest constituency profile.

Well obviously you must not be as white as you thought. Hillary would never lie, so what gives.

Are you sure you are white working class? Any “incident” of impureness in the blood line…
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Well, i am Irish, so you got me.

When Rome invaded Egypt the high Priests fled to Ireland taking the alphabet with them (which is why the Irish are so literate) and they inter married extensively.

During the potato "famine" the Irish were brought to America in retrofited slave ships and ended up in the tenements of New York with African Americans where they inter married extensively.

So not only are many Irish also African, but many African Americans are also Irish.

Then again human civilization began in Iraq so we are very busy killing off our brothers and sisters there as well.

xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution's picture

356 foreigner Says: xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 343:

341 foreigner Says: xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 339:

Being from the South i occasionally do that when my aim is lousy.

I would just like to ask a personal question as to why you feel it necessary to have as part of your name (one white vote for Obama)?
============================
Because Hillary has stated publicly that i will not vote for Obama because of the color of my skin.

That really offends me.

Thanks for the explanantion. Funny though that I thought I heard CNN, the AP, MSNBC etc and others say that Hillary had “more” of the white vote in your last two contests in Indianna and WV but not “all” of it.

=============================================

I was refering to what Hillary said, not what CNN said. Hillary said white people won't vote for Obama.

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jack @ 353:

I am miffed at why these two voters voted the way they did. If that is the only reason they voted for her, then maybe Bush was elected (not really) because they liked the twang in his southern drawl. That is democracy at best in the states. As far as the age of information is concerned, it is dead in the US but not in the rest of the world.

Oh, please. Bush does not have a southern drawl. He can barely speak English, adding a fake accent is just not in his scope of capacities.

He was elected because a large percentage of the population assumed that, Bush being a recovering alcoholic made far more sense as a drinking partner than Gore. In fact large portions of the South voted en masse for the dolt blue blood Yankee pretending to be a goo ol' boy than for their very own Southern Gentleman...

There were times in early 2001 when I almost banged my head into oblivion. One time involved a Southern pair interviewed who stated their love for Bush; she loved the fact that he was a "reformed" man you know finding Jesus and stopping the drinking, and he loved the fact that he could have some good ol' time shooting some "beersh" with that Bush feller. I wish I was making shit like that up, but sometimes life is its own best parody and we are here just for the fucking ride. It was obvious to me at that point that kids in the Bible belt not only enjoy circumcision when born but they also receive complementary lobotomies...

xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution's picture

Well being uneducated and white and working class i am going to have to get up in the morning and go to work.

GNA! :)

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porkchop @ 141:

Johnny2Bad @ 139:

tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 136:

Johnny2Bad @ 112:

"elite" ???

You're not very good troll in your trolling-points. You are really for mcchimy.

you come here 24/7 "talking loud and saying nothing." Typical repug.

Bite with that "troll" crap. Been here (ask anyone) a lot longer than you.....Pal.

don't you mean, "My Friends"?

Oh yeah...I meant to say "...Assh*le. Thanks for the opportunity to correct myself.

Johnny2Bad's picture

The Dude @ 346:

xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 339:

Being from the South i occasionally do that when my aim is lousy.

That was the best fucking come back ever!

The dude abides my friend...

Dude...Don't steal my line. (That I stole)

Johnny2Bad's picture

The Dude @ 315:

Bluesage @ 302:

Oh Good Lord people, this is politics. Problem is, this election has been manipulated by the media and the dnc without giving a rat's ass about the outcome and the good of the nation. They wanted their "First" and by God, we are stuck with them.

I'm not crazy about either of them at this point but realistically I think Clinton has a better chance to win in Nov. She has won the swing states like Ohio, Pa and yes, West Virginia. And it is true that no Democrat has won the presidency without WV since 1916. Bill Clinton carried the state twice.

With an opponent like McCrazy we should have smooth sailing to a victory but I'm not so sure that will be the case with Obama. It's a long shot. His supporters have really not done him any favors with the viciousness toward Hillary supporters. You may not like it but this has been a very, very close race. And it really doesn't matter how many states you've won but which states you've won and he is not winning the ones he needs to. That is not just media spin, that is a reality. MS, GA, SC, etc will all stay red as will many others he has won.

Maybe the answer really is a co-ticket run. Obama will need Clinton to help him to victory and I think the two of them will be able to do that. And if Obama supporters don't like it and we have heads exploding all over America, well, so be it. This ain't about you or Clinton supporters. This is about cleaning up the horrific mess the Chimp & Co. will leave us.

And if that doesn't work, the back-up plan needs to be that all of us work our tails off and get veto proof majorities in the Congress so the knuckle-dragging repukes can do no more harm.

So let me get this straight: the candidate in the primaries who is trailing in overall votes, states won, number of delegates, and who is $20million in debt has the "better" chance to win?

WTF logic is that?

Hey, I have an idea. Instead of theorizing about what Obama supporters may or may not do. Let's focus on what the Hillary supporters *are* doing, see a few choice posts in this thread for example.

Heres a question for ya, Dude. Let me get this straight....the candidate in the primaries who is trailing in overall votes, states won, number of delegates, and who is $20million in debt just kicked the living shit out of the presumptive nominee?

WTF is that?

Hey, I have an idea. Instead of theorizing about why a bunch of "rednecks" and "hillbillies" did in WV, let's focus on how Obama is going to win in November without them.

The Dude's picture

Johnny2Bad @ 363:

The Dude @ 315:

Bluesage @ 302:

Oh Good Lord people, this is politics. Problem is, this election has been manipulated by the media and the dnc without giving a rat's ass about the outcome and the good of the nation. They wanted their "First" and by God, we are stuck with them.

I'm not crazy about either of them at this point but realistically I think Clinton has a better chance to win in Nov. She has won the swing states like Ohio, Pa and yes, West Virginia. And it is true that no Democrat has won the presidency without WV since 1916. Bill Clinton carried the state twice.

With an opponent like McCrazy we should have smooth sailing to a victory but I'm not so sure that will be the case with Obama. It's a long shot. His supporters have really not done him any favors with the viciousness toward Hillary supporters. You may not like it but this has been a very, very close race. And it really doesn't matter how many states you've won but which states you've won and he is not winning the ones he needs to. That is not just media spin, that is a reality. MS, GA, SC, etc will all stay red as will many others he has won.

Maybe the answer really is a co-ticket run. Obama will need Clinton to help him to victory and I think the two of them will be able to do that. And if Obama supporters don't like it and we have heads exploding all over America, well, so be it. This ain't about you or Clinton supporters. This is about cleaning up the horrific mess the Chimp & Co. will leave us.

And if that doesn't work, the back-up plan needs to be that all of us work our tails off and get veto proof majorities in the Congress so the knuckle-dragging repukes can do no more harm.

So let me get this straight: the candidate in the primaries who is trailing in overall votes, states won, number of delegates, and who is $20million in debt has the "better" chance to win?

WTF logic is that?

Hey, I have an idea. Instead of theorizing about what Obama supporters may or may not do. Let's focus on what the Hillary supporters *are* doing, see a few choice posts in this thread for example.

Heres a question for ya, Dude. Let me get this straight....the candidate in the primaries who is trailing in overall votes, states won, number of delegates, and who is $20million in debt just kicked the living shit out of the presumptive nominee?

WTF is that?

Hey, I have an idea. Instead of theorizing about why a bunch of "rednecks" and "hillbillies" did in WV, let's focus on how Obama is going to win in November without them.

Again, you seem to be unable to distinguish between a primary election and a general one.

So answer me this: does Hillary after tonight still not trail in overall votes, states won, number of delegates, and has her $20 million debt magically evaporated?

Spin, spin...

Why Doesn't's picture

Anyone one mention the fact that:

Clinton got 239.062 votes
Obama got 91.652 votes
Mccain got 89.683 votes

So in this state where Obama falls short on white blue collar voters, he still has more votes then Mccain.

I think this is th Limbaugh Effect, nothing more nothing else... no one can make the argument that white blue collar, uneducated, racist people won't vote for obama when in fact more of West Virginia voted for him then Mccain.... They are trying to take away the nomination from him... and Hillary is playing this game.

Spicegal's picture

Obama didn't even bother to campaign there because I'm sure they knew it would be a waste of time to try to influence that many people with such ingrained prejudice. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses and move on. I've always heard that everyone in West Virginia is related. Maybe there's something to that.

bitter Edwin Hussein's picture

OK. So what's next? (West Virginia isn't going to change a thing.) (Calm down everyone.)

tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 50:

CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 34:

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

getalife @ 20:

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

Obama would be in constant danger. Not that he is not already in danger, considering the hatred in this country.

You wish.

This isn't the 60's anymore.
Obama will have more people looking out for his best interest than he knows.
He's well aware of the United States.

sure! everything has changed SO MUCH since King was killed...

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace's picture

When growing up in the 60's, I spent my summers in SW Pennsylvania, right next door to West Virginia in the beautiful hills and mountains. When walking down country roads, I could always see "save our land, join the klan" posters on telephone polls and fences.

Haven't seen any of those in many years, and lots of those hill folks have changed their attitudes for the better. But I am not surprised to find there are still plenty who think it's still the 60's, and I mean 1860's. Very sad.

poker face's picture

we've seem Hillary's last balloon drop.
Oregon will seal the deal for Obama.
Pantsuit woud need to take 70% from here on out.

Won't happen

POdVet's picture

plz dont feed the Obamabot trollz, it's well known Obama has staffers scouring blogs and posting misinformation and outright lies. Just wait it out and all these myriad Independents/repugs/70yr old women/outraged AA's/exClinton supporters that are actually 19yr old college kids volunteering at Obama campaign centers with no morals will be gone after he gets disgraced in a few more weeks. The Operation Board Games trials will bring him down and hard, all the chicago newspapers are beginning to announce upcoming articles. Even Fox news is getting revved up for a full expose on him which will be all about the scandals they have all been covering up until he gets the Dem nomination. Lets just hope Hillary runs as an independent.

Eric Hussein in Ottawa's picture

I think now that Hillary has had her glorious West Virginia moment, she should gracefully concede the race NOW with her dignity intact.

It doesn't get much better for her from here on out, she might as well use this moment to her advantage and concede during the good moment to maximize her benefit.

Wes B's picture

She won WV because of the White Vote just like he won Mississippi because of the black vote. it is what it is.

xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution's picture

It is Wedensday.

dennis's picture

The President of Chicago
[Byron York]

Fun facts from the Democratic popular vote race:

Obama's lead, including estimated
vote totals in caucus states
(which favors Obama) plus results
from Florida (which favors Clinton),
but nothing from Michigan: 411,915

Obama's margin of victory
over Clinton in Cook
County, Illinois: 429,052

(Obama's lead is from the Real Clear Politics total; Cook County result is from the Illinois Board of Elections website.) By other counts, Obama's lead is far less than his winning edge in Cook County. Only in counts which do not include either Florida or Michigan does his lead in the national popular vote exceed his margin in Cook County.

smchris's picture

I grew up in North Dakota. It's also about 98% white and most of the people aren't investment bankers and technical professionals. Their Democrats went for Obama. Same for Iowa. Same for a bunch of white, rural states. So that makes West Virginia "special". What's that saying, "You can't help being poor, but nobody has to be 'common'"?

fiver's picture

dennis @ 374

By other counts, Obama’s lead is far less than his winning edge in Cook County. Only in counts which do not include either Florida or Michigan does his lead in the national popular vote exceed his margin in Cook County.

It's important to remember that Cook County (Hillary's home county) doesn't count. Not because there aren't enough "hard working white people" there, but because Hillary lost.

Only votes for Clinton should count, and, applying the proper algorithmic function and dividing by zero twice, it is clear that Obama's lead in states won, popular vote, pledged delegates and super-delegates is just an illusion.

Ethan's picture

Billy Hussein @ 10:

The msm keeps pushing this "horse race" for bucks and ratings even while mostly acknowledging Obama will be the nominee.

Please. The MSM is merely carrying a mildly less inflamatory message of WWTSBQ.

Phil's picture

Which of the candidates will talk about this? http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/BOGNONBR_Max_630_378.png

tyree's picture

i said it before and im saying it again ! it is no accident that we have a blackman pitted against a white woman, its what the corporations wanted and why they fluffed off and got rid of kucinich and edwards, and you being dumb as owlshit cant and wouldnt see thru thier manipulations,!decention , anamosity, hatered, bigotry, raceisim, blind judgment and wanting a woman or a black politician so you can further your race or gender , congratulations they the people who actually own this country read you like a book, enjoy the back stabbing ,insults , because your doing as you were expected to do!

karen in yelm's picture

Just out of curiosity - When getting a divorce in WA, can you still remain brother and sister? Ha ha ha ha! Sorry, that was below the belt and a tad infantile but all in good sport.

karen in yelm's picture

Just out of curiosity - when getting a divorce in WV do you still reamain brother and sister? Ha ha ha ha!!!! My apologies, that was a tad below the belt and infantile but in good sport. Try to have a sense of humor. Really, just trying to lighten things up here.

WVguy's picture

The Dude @ 332:

WVguy @ 316:

I'm an Obama supporter and lived the first 26 years of my life in West Virginia. Isn't it handy for some of you that every state has a stereotype that can be tapped into when something that disappoints you occurs there? There are several candidate etymologies for the term redneck. One possibility is that it began when WV coal miners wore red bandanas to symbolize union solidarity. Quite a progress thing to do, no?

Redneck is actually about them white folk who get their necks all red because they lack the melanin level to properly deal with the sun when horsing around their ranches and stuff.

As I said their are multiple possible etymologies for this term. I've heard yours and mine both mentioned.

WVguy's picture

there (spelling)

tyree's picture

karen the answer to your question is yes! if your state has denighed you a divorce from your brother please note ! west virgina requires you take up residency with your brother for the time period of one year, ask him if hes willing to do so before you apply for a divorce there, and do not expect any favors because you are from another state , if you and your husb er brother meet all the requirements you will get shed of him in one month! congratulations on your decision to desolve your insestrial relationship god will bless you for it!

VietVet67's picture

So Hillary is going to be WV's president?

ysbaddaden's picture

Is Hillary's voice getting deeper and deeper?

Jeon Ji-Yung's picture

Hillary Clinton is despicable, and I definitely think WV screwed the pooch a bit... but let's not shit on all of West VA over this - especially those of you who can't spell "incestuous" or locate the shift key. They have Biscuit Barn. Respect the Barn.

tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 7:

General_Rennenkampf @ 4:

Wonder how they'll spin a Clinton victory. I mean, both Dems have McPapen beat all to Hell and gone, but Jesus, dudes, get a nominee, and fast. The Republicans will only have to lift the attack ads ya'll will run against each other!

Cons are going to unload the swift boat equivalent of the neutron bomb on Obama.

All they have are poppers, no neutron bomb (if you don't count their gas.)

Strawberry Hussein Shortcake's picture

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!

THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING ELECTION NIGHT I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN
MY WHOLE FUCKING GOD DAMNED LIFE!!!!

I HAVE ALL THE TVS IN THE HOUSE ON DIFFERENT CHANNELS SO I DON'T MISS A GOD DAMNED THING!!!!

I'M RUNNING FROM ONE ROOM TO THE NEXT!!!!!

I CAN'T TAKE ALL THIS FUCKING EXCITEMENT ANYMORE!!!!

I NEED MORE TVS!!!!!!!!!

[Don't post in ALL CAPS. Thanks-Sitemonitor]

Alice (Rome didn't fall in one day)'s picture

L.A. Confidential @ 17:

VietVet8666 @ 14:

Who here thinks Obama will be the next president?

-_-

moi!

L.A. Confidential's picture

Alice (Rome didn't fall in one day) @ 31:

He will have money!

He still may have to put on a pair of overalls with one suspender and have his picture taken sucking on a jug of moonshine likker if he wants to win.

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37 Strawberry Hussein Shortcake

I NEED MORE TVS!!!!!!!!!
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Male Judy Garland impersonators?

Barrett D @ 32:

aw snap. see what hilary has done!?!? cnn is saying exit polls indicate hilary backers are split on obama and mccain. for shame hilary

they have been feeding that question and the numbers for the last two months. do you think that might be intentional? do you think that maybe they want to keep hillary supporters and Obama supporters at each others throats. they have been practicing that shit since noxin. divide on the basest of motives; single-issue voting; generate enough hatred to get people to vote against their own best interests.

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I just heard Terry McAuliffe on the radio giving his spin on the race now that HRC has shocked the world with her huge victory in W. Va.

It was embarrassing.

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er @ 27:

man, do news agencies throw away intelligent comments on why people are voting for thier candidate? i live in seattle and my first memory of politics is a lady on tv who was voting for patty murry(whom i support btw). "i just love her! i'm voting for because... um ... well um.... because......, because she is a mom in her tennis shoes!" uggggghhhh. that was what the local media had deemed her. the mom in tennis shoes. now i'm 29 and its the same crap. i swear they are actors who are supplanted by the tv stations

They didn't just interview a couple of women. What they do is pick the ones that have the worst reasons for voting for th POTUS. Not all are that shallow, (I HOPE).

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39 L.A. Confidential Says: Alice (Rome didn’t fall in one day) @ 31:

He will have money!

He still may have to put on a pair of overalls with one suspender and have his picture taken sucking on a jug of moonshine likker if he wants to win.
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Dont'cha mean a bucket from the Colonel's and some Malt 45?

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Having lived most of my life in a state that is so small and undistinguished that many people do not even know it is a state, I have an eerie feeling looking at news footage showing my precinct polling place and, apparently, my neighbors. All of this is played in a way that makes it sound like our state has SUCH a big role to play.

Gee, the eyes of the world are on us??? Really?

After so many months and so many other primaries, it feels like most of our choices have already been made for us. Indeed, our ballots listed three candidates with the third one being John Edwards. Remember him? I wonder if some of my fellow West Virginians may be voting for Hillary today in a futile gesture of contrariness just to show the media and everybody else that we people will make up our own minds thank you very much.

Oh, and we are all tuned to our televisions because ten minutes after the polls closed, the networks have predicted the Hillary has won the primary.

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CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 34:

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

getalife @ 20:

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

Obama would be in constant danger. Not that he is not already in danger, considering the hatred in this country.

Some guy on CNN earlier actually said Obama would have to have food tasters if he picked Hillary for VP.

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oh really @ 42:

I just heard Terry McAuliffe on the radio giving his spin on the race now that HRC has shocked the world with her huge victory in W. Va.

It was embarrassing.

No one has ever become President without winning W. Va. There's always a first time though.

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ysbaddaden @ 44:

39 L.A. Confidential Says: Alice (Rome didn’t fall in one day) @ 31:

He will have money!

He still may have to put on a pair of overalls with one suspender and have his picture taken sucking on a jug of moonshine likker if he wants to win.
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Dont'cha mean a bucket from the Colonel's and some Malt 45?

He'll have to do both. He'll need to pull every trick in the book. This is politics.

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39 L.A. Confidential

I really don't want to disparage Virginia since a distant ancestor of mine was a Royal Appointee Governor there, appointed by King George III.

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CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 34:

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

getalife @ 20:

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

Obama would be in constant danger. Not that he is not already in danger, considering the hatred in this country.

You wish.

This isn't the 60's anymore.
Obama will have more people looking out for his best interest than he knows.
He's well aware of the United States.

tyree's picture

asked the guy across the street who he voted for , he smiled and said obama , i asked what made up your mind to vote for him, he said obama has a nice face, oook ooook kay!

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Y'all excuse me now, I want to go listen to the Superman radio show where the Man of Steel teams up with Batman and Robin, and then watch a couple of chapters with Bela Lugosi as Chandu the magician.

Lois Lane has been mistaken for Dixie Lamarr, who killed a Federal Agent in a hotel, and is about to hear if she'll be convicted or not.

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Wow, there are thirteen Democrats in West Virginia? Who knew!

porkchop's picture

back again for another primary night. What's happening?

...hey, it beats watching Merkin Eyedull

....

Having lived in Asia and traveled widely in the remoter areas of rural China, and in Laos and other desperately poor countries, I have had an opportunity to see people who are truly ignorant about many things, but who are anything but stupid.

In a remote part of Anhui Province, back in the spring of 1992, for example, I visited a small village that had been completely inundated and destroyed a year earlier by an epic flood, which completely destroyed their rice fields and washed away their mud brick, dirt-floored homes. They had, in less than a year, rebuilt the town, and were preparing to plant a new rice crop. They were also, using nothing but their hands and wheelbarrows, building a massive levee that would keep the river at bay the next time around. The villagers had never seen an American in their lives, had no televisions or phones, and in most cases had never been farther than the next village, but they knew how to survive disasters that would have killed the average American.

....

I mention this because I am trying to imagine how the average American community would respond to a surprise visit by a couple of Chinese peasants from that village. I suspect that far from surrounding them and peppering them with questions about China, there would be calls to the local police to pick up to wandering vagrants. Instead of trying to communicate, and perhaps learn lessons about how to make gardens grow during a drought, local Americans would be studiously avoiding the visitors. An invitation to have dinner in a local home seems particularly unlikely.

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ysbaddaden @ 49:

39 L.A. Confidential

I really don't want to disparage Virginia since a distant ancestor of mine was a Royal Appointee Governor there, appointed by King George III.

Not everyone in W.VA. is a toothless hillbilly. The media wants people to think so though.

tyree @ 51:

asked the guy across the street who he voted for , he smiled and said obama , i asked what made up your mind to vote for him, he said obama has a nice face, oook ooook kay!

yeah, he was sure stoopid.

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ysbaddaden @ 44:

39 L.A. Confidential Says: Alice (Rome didn’t fall in one day) @ 31:

He will have money!

He still may have to put on a pair of overalls with one suspender and have his picture taken sucking on a jug of moonshine likker if he wants to win.
____________________________________________________________

Dont'cha mean a bucket from the Colonel's and some Malt 45?

See that wasn't even funny. It's obvious you missed the point.

L.A. Confidential @ 56:

ysbaddaden @ 49:

39 L.A. Confidential

I really don't want to disparage Virginia since a distant ancestor of mine was a Royal Appointee Governor there, appointed by King George III.

Not everyone in W.VA. is a toothless hillbilly. The media wants people to think so though.

the voting says enough.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah it is all about Obama.

I disagree. It is about gaining a larger Dem majority and Dem President in the long term. Say 16 years or more.

See w has screwed our country so bad, it will take longer than 16 years to get back in the right direction.

No, it is not all about Obama.

I think long term and what is best for the country.

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"It worries me now that it will be years before another woman will have the chance, will have the nerve and the money to .....be president", said the 1000 year old lady.

P.S.: No offense to the old and wise posters on C&L!

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Gimme a break.

Why do the talking heads keep talking about mccain as being viable?

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Quick go look at Huff Po's front page.

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L.A. Confidential @ 56:

ysbaddaden @ 49:

39 L.A. Confidential

I really don't want to disparage Virginia since a distant ancestor of mine was a Royal Appointee Governor there, appointed by King George III.

Not everyone in W.VA. is a toothless hillbilly. The media wants people to think so though.

Hi LA-C! Good to see you again :-)

Do you think that's a fair assessment of a campaign that has emphasized the power of the big market, when she's been whupped 2-1 in the small market?

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L.A. Confidential @ 64:

Quick go look at Huff Po's front page.

Why?

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L.A. Confidential @ 64:

Quick go look at Huff Po's front page.

what a benevolent gesture.

what a tool.

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Osmosis @ 66:

L.A. Confidential @ 64:

Quick go look at Huff Po's front page.

Why?

That police strobe. Thats Drudge Reports gimmick.

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liberAL @ 5:

These people, Democratic voters, are truly scary. Don't they know what is going on? That Hillary has no chance to win?

"Why do these people keep trying to elect their candidate? Don't they know it's over 'cause our side said it was too early?"

That's appalling. You call the race over before it is and then have the gall to be OFFENDED when the opposition still tries to vote?

You are no Democrat.

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hillary should concede tonight. If not, she is a vindictive asshole who will make the dems pay for not showing their complete loyalty to the queen.

She can't win. No matter what. she's out of money and out of touch.

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L.A. Confidential @ 68:

Osmosis @ 66:

L.A. Confidential @ 64:

Quick go look at Huff Po's front page.

Why?

That police strobe. Thats Drudge Reports gimmick.

It's gone now. Hilarious

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Stosselitophobic @ 60:

uh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgySDqa8zgQ&eurl=http://willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/2008/05/west_virginia_v.html

It would be kind of a shallow victory, knowing that the racist and anti-muslim votes won it for you!

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I live for this "Hillarys Downfall" video...

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L.A. Confidential @ 64:

Quick go look at Huff Po's front page.

Ahhh yes. The sacrifices he's made for........the soldiers.

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getalife @ 61:

Yeah, yeah, yeah it is all about Obama.

I disagree. It is about gaining a larger Dem majority and Dem President in the long term. Say 16 years or more.

See w has screwed our country so bad, it will take longer than 16 years to get back in the right direction.

No, it is not all about Obama.

I think long term and what is best for the country.

Come on now. Is that your reason to vote for hillary?

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Janet @ 24:

80/20 will be the outcome if Hillary and her supporters are correct.
Only 17% are college educated.
Only 3% are AA.
There is Obama's 20%

Yeah, wow, but you're not spewing bile at anybody who dares to disagree with you like a rabid dog or anything.

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It's easy to understand why Hillary won in West Virginia. The voters there believe the deceptions that the propaganda media and the other deceits that they hear and possibly read. West Virginia, the state with five million people and only fifteen surnames.

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dweller @ 73:

I live for this "Hillarys Downfall" video...

Clinton Boom years didn't quite pay off for you?

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L.A. Confidential @ 79:

dweller @ 73:

I live for this "Hillarys Downfall" video...

Clinton Boom years didn't quite pay off for you?

She stood by while the next guy took it all away. She stood by.

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ooooook oooook kay !an asshole! your a sweet talker!

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Why Clinton's Economy Was Better

http://tinyurl.com/6s6kcx

mani's picture

just vote for a woman like Arriana H./Maddow (or the likes) in 4 years... is A. Huffington American? well, you know what I mean, a smart articulate, charismatic woman to lead into a new era after 2012...

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If WV is hillary's turning point and WV sets to lead to who's gonna be prez, then hee haw is my favorite show.

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mani @ 83:

just vote for a woman like Arriana H./Maddow (or the likes) in 4 years... is A. Huffington American? well, you know what I mean, a smart articulate, charismatic woman to lead into a new era after 2012...

Uh I got news for you we're going to be spending the next 20 years cleaning up Bushes mess.

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L.A. Confidential @ 82:

Why Clinton's Economy Was Better

http://tinyurl.com/6s6kcx

and again, she stood idle while the neotards dismantled everything her husband and his people (and she herself) worked for. What of it?

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Here’s a summary of some good reasons to consider supporting Obama. Share it widely with friends in Kentucky and Oregon:
http://acropolisreview.com/2008/04/top-reasons-to-give-barack-obama-your...

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No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state... It is critical for Hillary as she has her back against the wall. But for Barack? I don't think so. Barack has built up a large enough cushion that is insurmountable for Hillary. After today, Hillary will have narrowed the gap back to where it was just before Indiana and North Carolina.
Here is a breakdown of the recent history of the delegates:

April 27: Obama by 105
May 5: Obama by 143
May 7: Obama by 159
May 12: Obama by 172 (net increase since the May 6th primaries: 13)

The gap continues to move in the wrong direction for Hillary. Hillary will gain approximately 12 or so delegates today, bringing the gap down to about 160. After next Tuesday, the gap will be about 145 or so (not counting any newly declared superdelegates).

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tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 84:

If WV is hillary's turning point and WV sets to lead to who's gonna be prez, then hee haw is my favorite show.

Green Acres reruns.

tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe's picture

Isn't WV the place where they worship snakes?

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tyree @ 81:

ooooook oooook kay !an asshole! your a sweet talker!

tyree, your comments always make me laugh. lol

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L.A. Confidential @ 21:

getalife @ 20:

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

We can only hope.

cg's picture

Hillary is declared the winner - what a momentum swing!

tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe's picture

Well geez, some WV are voting for Obama!

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sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

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Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

What is "telling" about this. WV voted for bush, TWICE. Maybe this should tell you that Hillary is more republican lite than Obama is.

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Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

It is called a bunch of rednecks voting, or is it hillbillies?

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New Uproar. These Obama T-Shirts in Georgia

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/07/14/49/image_7049147.jpg

BigTobacco's picture

With this victory, Hillary has the perfect chance to bow out with a great deal of dignity and class. The last few months have been really disappointing to me, as I liked the Clintons when they were in office. This victory will give her a chance, if she chooses to take it, to educate WV on the importance of electing the Democratic nominee in November. She has substantial credibility in that state, and since this victory is only symbolic, she could use it to steer voters towards Obama.

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Hillary’s W. Va. Campaign Inadvertently Offends African-Americans

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1811

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Johnny2Bad @ 92:

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

getalife @ 20:

West Virginia crushes Obama and spit out the kool aid.

Better make her VP to win these States.

Clinton with cheney power.

Karma.

Obama supporters will jump off a cliff before they will accept that.

We can only hope.

It is quite sad, Hillary supporters are reduced to siding with the resident troll...

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It is sad when you see people writing on a blog about how dumb voters are in WV while in the same posts making the lesser of evils argument.

Barrett D's picture

i wonder if because obama is the presumptive nominee, obama backers didn't come out to support

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Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

A tasty wedge of pie. But cut to a thin sliver. Light taste. Less filling.

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Barrett D @ 103:

i wonder if because obama is the presumptive nominee, obama backers didn't come out to support

Very well may be. Why work when you can kick back and slide.

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Janet @ 96:

Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

What is "telling" about this. WV voted for bush, TWICE. Maybe this should tell you that Hillary is more republican lite than Obama is.

Look, WV is a huge Dem state. (Everything is named after Robt. Byrd for gods sake) Always has been. Its also working class white. You need those voters in November...in every state. Besides...policy wise if Hillary is a "republican"...so is Obama cuz there ain't a wit of difference between em.

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Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

Is your family from WV?

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Janet @ 96:

Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

What is "telling" about this. WV voted for bush, TWICE. Maybe this should tell you that Hillary is more republican lite than Obama is.

Score!

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tHeHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 107:

Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

Is your family from WV?

meh. let them have their fun. It's very very short-lived.

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BigTobacco @ 99:

With this victory, Hillary has the perfect chance to bow out with a great deal of dignity and class. The last few months have been really disappointing to me, as I liked the Clintons when they were in office. This victory will give her a chance, if she chooses to take it, to educate WV on the importance of electing the Democratic nominee in November. She has substantial credibility in that state, and since this victory is only symbolic, she could use it to steer voters towards Obama.

Yeah, that would assume that Hillary is in it for the good of the nation. However, so far we have seen that Hillary is first and foremost about one thing: Hillary.

You, me and this country really come at a distant third or fourth place.

So far we have a GOP nominee, McCain, who feels the white house is owed to him because he "took one" for the party when he had to swallow Bush Jr's shit during the 2000 primaries. And Hillary so far seems to have a similar sense of entitlement becasue she "took one" for the Clinton team during the fun and games of her public humiliation by her husband. After experiencing the "fun and games" that have been the past 8 years of Bush Jr. who felt entitled to the white house so he could work out his daddy issues, I am honestly not willing to have the white house become yet another therapy vehicle for some rich asshole.

Enough...

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Being a woman is NOT a reason to be electable. Either is being a man, a mixed race person, etc.

Why are Americans such Dumbasses?

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The Dude @ 97:

Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No offense to WV voters, but this is all much ado about nothing. West Virginia is no more critical than any other state..

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

It is called a bunch of rednecks voting, or is it hillbillies?

Huh. I call em "Americans". That comment is exactly why we lose. Fu*king, elite SOBs.

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Johnny2Bad @ 106:

Janet @ 96:

Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

What is "telling" about this. WV voted for bush, TWICE. Maybe this should tell you that Hillary is more republican lite than Obama is.

Look, WV is a huge Dem state. (Everything is named after Robt. Byrd for gods sake) Always has been. Its also working class white. You need those voters in November...in every state. Besides...policy wise if Hillary is a "republican"...so is Obama cuz there ain't a wit of difference between em.

Robert Byrd? You mean the KKK?

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The Dude @ 110:

BigTobacco @ 99:

With this victory, Hillary has the perfect chance to bow out with a great deal of dignity and class. The last few months have been really disappointing to me, as I liked the Clintons when they were in office. This victory will give her a chance, if she chooses to take it, to educate WV on the importance of electing the Democratic nominee in November. She has substantial credibility in that state, and since this victory is only symbolic, she could use it to steer voters towards Obama.

Yeah, that would assume that Hillary is in it for the good of the nation. However, so far we have seen that Hillary is first and foremost about one thing: Hillary.

You, me and this country really come at a distant third or fourth place.

So far we have a GOP nominee, McCain, who feels the white house is owed to him because he "took one" for the party when he had to swallow Bush Jr's shit during the 2000 primaries. And Hillary so far seems to have a similar sense of entitlement becasue she "took one" for the Clinton team during the fun and games of her public humiliation by her husband. After experiencing the "fun and games" that have been the past 8 years of Bush Jr. who felt entitled to the white house so he could work out his daddy issues, I am honestly not willing to have the white house become yet another therapy vehicle for some rich asshole.

Enough...

It's what I have come to expect... but I am waiting for Hillary to surprise me. She's actually kind of a hero to me. It's hard for me to cope with.

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Janet @ 113:

Johnny2Bad @ 106:

Janet @ 96:

Johnny2Bad @ 95:

What is "telling" about this. WV voted for bush, TWICE. Maybe this should tell you that Hillary is more republican lite than Obama is.

Look, WV is a huge Dem state. (Everything is named after Robt. Byrd for gods sake) Always has been. Its also working class white. You need those voters in November...in every state. Besides...policy wise if Hillary is a "republican"...so is Obama cuz there ain't a wit of difference between em.

Robert Byrd? You mean the KKK?

You can't be that stupid. Really...You just can't.

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Johnny2Bad @ 112:

The Dude @ 97:

Johnny2Bad @ 95:

sophiedog @ 88:

No, not "critical" but very, very telling. Its not about the nomination anymore its about the nominee....Why is the "presumptive nominee" getting his ass kicked big time now? That's trouble any way you cut it.

It is called a bunch of rednecks voting, or is it hillbillies?

Huh. I call em "Americans". That comment is exactly why we lose. Fu*king, elite SOBs.

It is called a "fucking track record" I am tired of having people who consistently vote against their own interests crying me a river when they manage again to... taaaa daaaa: vote against their own interests.

West Virginia is literally owned by big coal, and what do the people in West Virginia do? They consistently voted *twice* for the guy who gave even more free reign to big coal. So spare me the victimization bullshit.

People are free to be idiots, so be it. I am also free to point out that they are just that: idiots. Nothing elitist about it, jeez.

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