Verdict: Why Is Karl Rove A Pundit?
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If there was truly any justice in this world, Karl Rove would be cooling his heels in some very uncomfortable room in The Hague, Netherlands right now. Instead, he has jumped from the sinking ship of the Bush White House to a cushy job as a pundit on FOXNews. But even as a pundit, on Monday's Verdict, Dan Abrams has noted a peculiar tendency on the part of Bush's Brain to sound exactly like a partisan political propagandist. Case in point: Rove was kind enough to give some "advice" to Barack Obama that read for all the world as a whisper campaign on Obama's perceived weakness.
But inside that Beltway Bubble, Karl Rove finding gainful employment giving his opinion on Democratic candidates hardly raises an eyebrow. In fact, Tucker Carlson loves him some Rovian punditry:
Well, I’ve seen him a couple of times on the tube. I think he’s excellent, actually. He’s better than I thought he would be. He’s got smart and incisive things to say. Look, the thing about Rove is it’s actually a more honest situation than most. I mean, in a lot of cases you’ve got people—most journalists obviously are liberal Democrats—and most sort of try their best to be objective. You kind of have to guess about whether they’re achieving objectivity or not. With Rove, it’s Karl Rove! You know, like you know exactly who he is, you know where he’s coming from. A smart person takes that into account. Even a dumb person takes that into account. And so, everything’s kind of out on the table and you can evaluate what he says and turn on your BS monitor and if some of it sounds like spin, you take that into account. But I’ve been kind of impressed, being in the pundit business myself for a while, by how good the guy is. Watch him, he’s good! Actually.
Uh no, actually. Only Roy Sekoff of the Huffington Post seems to get that someone who is responsible for so much of what is wrong with this country and so many criminal acts does not deserve to continue to get a national platform from which to practice and further his divisive ways. Of course if being "wrong" was the metric to ensure not being on TV, Tucker would have been vanquished off by 1994. Most journalists are liberal Democrats, Tucker? You idiot, Karl Rove is on FOXNews. Are you telling me they're mostly liberal Democrats? That's just stupid and lazy.
Norah McDonnell perpetuates the "Karl Rove is a political genius" meme so intractably popular in Washington DC circles:
I think everybody knows where Karl Rove comes from. And I think the genius of Karl Rove, whether you agree or disagree with him, even the things he’s done inside the Bush administration, is that he is a brilliant political tactician. There’s nobody since I covered the White House who knows the numbers, who knows demographics of congressional districts, who knows the delegate counts better. I mean, really, other than like Chuck Todd, who does the numbers like that, Karl Rove knows this stuff, lives it, breathes it, digs it, and so that’s why he’s a good source in that regard. But there’s no doubt…I mean, he wants the Republican…and he wants McCain to win, even though he tried to destroy McCain in 2000.
Norah, no one knows better than Karl? Can you say 2006 elections? I predicted the outcome more accurately than Rove did. Where's my pundit spot where I can attack the Republicans under the guise of my "political expertise"? And I'm not guilty of orchestrating dirty elections, ramping up a propaganda tsunami to force the country into an illegal war or treasonously outing a CIA covert officer. I think a moral compass would be a refreshing change in the punditry, don't you?
Primero?
Rove is a butt-nugget.
Where's Jeff Gannon?
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Why is Rover a pundit...?
... BECAUSE THERE'S A PAYCHECK ATTACHED... !
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Why even waste bandwidth with this topic, Nicole.
Bottom line, anyone with half a brain knows exactly what Rove is, what he is doing and are not watching.
I hear he's doing big time ratings in West Virginia.
HEY pundits and bloggers rule. People have come to believe THEIR OPINIONS are fact. All you have to do is search the web and you'll see that people who never had half a brain are now considered EXPERTS.
The question also begs, "why is Tucker Carlson still on the air?"
Followup question - why is Tucker Carlson STILL a pundit? How many times can he fail before people stop booking him?
Of course Rove knows the demographics of every district--how can you race bait if you don't know your audience numbers? geesh.
Maybe he could give Alberto a job writing for him?
In fairness, why is George Stephanoupolis considered a pundit yet Rove can't be? Oh that's right, at least George knows what truth is, Rove has been running away from it his whole political career!
Yes the "Karl is a genius" meme drives me to distraction as well.
I don't buy it.Rove is simply more willing than almost anyone else to lower the bar then slither under it.To top it all off,he is probably an actual traitor,a word the Republicans toss around with gleeful abandon when targeting hapless Dems,but ignore utterly when it comes to Stink Blossom.
Roves Jumped Ship?
Get real it's business as UNUSUAL
pinkobait @ 11:
Maybe he is a genius if he has people thinking he's not involved in this Election in any way shape or form.
karl rove is much like a diamond jewler , he has been able to manipulate the american voter , spending his day time hours in his labratory finely polishing the turd that the voteing public has become thanks greatly to his efforts, enjoy the buffing!
Karl Rove should be a prison b*tch. He should be bubba, his celly, personal butt pundit.
Yeah, and why is TV-dinner boy Tucker on my screen again?
L.A. Confidential @ 13:
Well you don't buy it,I don't buy it.
Who honestly buys the idea he's not involved in this election?
pinkobait @ 16:
Probably more people then I want to admit.
Is there a more annoying little dweeb than Tucker Carlson? I doubt it..
Rove is going to be around a long time in this capacity so, best get used to it. In the post-modern age, rehabilitation happens at warp speed. It took almost 20 years for Richard Nixon to slither back into the public eye as an 'elder stateseman' giving sage advice to presidents and kings. Then the floodgates opened and before you know it we're up to our ass in freaks and ex-cons punditing their hearts out. G. Gordon Liddy. Henry Kissinger. Sean Hannity's BFF Ted Nugent shooting off machine guns and yelling "Suck on this, Obama!"
In civilized countries like Britain and Canada, these kinds of people are relegated to a soapbox in the park, screaming into a Mr. Microphone while being studiously ignored by passersby. Only in America do they get paid to rave on public airwaves.
Seriously. Go to Canada and try to find an equivalent to Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter. You can't. They are American media creations exclusively.
Karl Rove is a pundit for the same reason that Tucker Carlson is still a pundit: They're both willing to say what pleases their bosses, no matter how dishonest, vicious, wrong or stupid.
Blue Lensman @ 18:
at least he got rid of the bowtie! Wonder if he is still proud of his gay bashing episode!
evil as he may be, rove has many outstanding accomplishments
far more than the usual douchebags like bagala, carlson, oreilly, etc. who are nothing without their mouths
pinkobait @ 11:
I could not have said it better myself, I was going to try actually, but you beat me to it, there is nothing "genius" about the fat little bastard, thats like saying I am really strong because I beat your grandma up.
Trash pundits for trash Fox viewers.
Tucker: sad GOP charity case. Rs take care of their own.
Rove: cheating = genius
winning is easy when you cheat.
marko @ 22:
Recall how terror warnings were regularly made at times when John Kerry's ratings rose during the 2004 presidential election?
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
Now that you mention it, we should be due for one soon.
Thanks Nicole. Now I'm nauseous.
mudshark @ 27:
I think we may see more "Muslim Terrorists" rather then just "Terrorists" this time around. The Jane Fonda thing won't fly with Obama and of course Obama didn't "purposefully shoot himself" like Kerry did for effect over in Nam.
mudshark @ 27:
Nah, August 10th. Now is too soon. Expect to hear how the refineries have been targeted by arogue tanker packed with c4. And how the homeland security has thwarted it.
Sorry, all three of these pundits are morons. Roy Sekoff is really just a lefty Tucker Carlson. Really, the could almost be related.
Boring Scott @ 7:
Why is Tucker still on the air and using "honest" and "Rove" in the same sentence? Leather boot-lick Tucker!!!
Both Tucker Carlson and Rove, throw in the corporate whore O'Donnel, are nothing more than HEMMROIDS waiting for Preparation H to happen
Boring Scott @ 7:
Yeah, I'd had hoped that he would go away as well.
At the end I think I heard Tucker almost say Of Course he's an eenemy of thruth, all pundits are...."
Actually, I'm surprised that Faux "news" hasn't snapped Tucker up.
Justice for Rove in the Hague?
What a ridiculous notion that is. These international tribunals don't give out death sentences.
Yes, yes, I'm against the death penalty. I think we should abolish it in this country as soon after 1/20/09 as the 111th Congress and President Obama can get around to it. But they have more pressing needs to attend to, including figuring out how to bring to justice criminal perpetrators form the current administration. If some of these unworthies get death sentences before we get around to abolishing the death penalty, well, I'm sure the party of Law and Order will understand.
There's a reason O'Donnell is nicknamed "Noron."
Who is Tucker Carlson?
Tucker: "most journalists obviously are liberal Democrats."
What source is he relying on here? Or does he get this fact from the same place Rush Limbaugh does?
This little bit of 'supporting fact' in Carlson's construction is almost as shockingly dishonest as the premise it supposedly supports; that "the thing about Rove is it’s actually a more honest situation than most."
The underlying logic is even more shocking - that Rove should be listened to because he is so dishonest that even dumb people are going to take his dishonesty into account. Maybe here he's at least on familiar territory. Tucker Carlson could stake out the punditerritory of speaking for dumb people on the right, if there weren't already a surplus of such.
Rove is a traitor on top of being a criminal. But more to the point, he's been demonstrably wrong on every major issue that has faced our country for the last 8 years (at least). So why would any legitimate news outlet hire him to comment on anything? Reasoned discourse and rationally-presented opposing views are fine and -- frankly -- would be welcome after years of Rush, Bill-O, Rove, etc. Maybe that's part of the problem -- the right doesn't have anyone left who hasn't been proven to be a complete idiot, so you might as put Rove on air. He's as accurate as the rest of the them when it comes to issues... I did my part. I canceled my Newsweek subscription and wrote them a note saying to give me a call once they'd put Rove on the road. All I can do is change the channel when he comes on TV and hope that somehow justice catches up to him one day.
There is probably no one more interesting nor more in command of their facts in handicapping any of the primaries this whole election season.
Even the editors at Newsweek like Karl Rove, amazing in and of itself.
That Pundit on Fox News? An Upstart Named Rove
Mr. Meacham (Jon Meacham, editor of Newsweek) said Mr. Rove had been received surprisingly well in the magazine’s newsroom, where he has been a reliable colleague who files his articles on time and works diligently with fact checkers.
“After one editor dealt with him,” Mr. Meacham said, “the editor called me and said, ‘This just complicated my world view. I may like Karl Rove.’ ”
Funny thing is, no one seems to be noticing or has much to say about Markos Moulitsas at Newsweek, the Left-wing corollary to the Karl Rove hire there.
Probably guilty of orchestrating Attorney-gate, the prosecution of the Alabama Governor for walking Democratic, and Pentagon-gate, purging the White House of its communications records and emails, refusing to testify before Congress, and the list goes on...
He's a traitor. And the MSM continues to fawn over him and promote him.
Norah is sooooo pretty. Even more vibrant now that she's pregnant. But there is so much empty space behind those gorgeous blue eyes. I was actually watching this particular broadcast when she started lavishing praise on Rove. I usually can't turn away from watching Norah, but this time she just went too far. Click. You stink Norah.
First, an apology to John Amato and staff: I took issue with your Sunday Talking Heads schedule and only belatedly realized you had identified Terry McAuliffe in an earlier listing in the schedule. Silly me!
But I have edited the blog, "Crooks, Liars, and Why the Dems Might be in Trouble," and it has my thoughts on Mr. Rove. The fact that he is advising McBush should be the richest vein of raw meat for Dem speech writers (and I hope it has come to the attention of Mr. Obama himself). The fact that Rove is a pundit on Fox evidences that cable news network's penchant for fascism.
mr.ed @ 37:
Most beautiful eyes on television. All actresses included.
dennis @ 41:
Dennis, are you seriously trying to create a moral equivalency of Markos Moulitsas and the man who outed Valerie Plame, who questioned Max Cleland's patriotism, who had US Attorneys fired for not being partisan enough and may have orchestrated the conviction and incarceration of Don Siegelman?
This isn't about left and right. This is about giving platform to an amoral person who should be on trial for treason.
The fact that all that he has done is forgiven is sickening and an indictment on the media in general. Don't bring Kos into it.
I'm sick of hearing people in the media characterize Rove as "brilliant". While I accept that he is of above average intelligence, wherein has he done anything to deserve the title, "Brilliant"?
Personally, I believe what is casually characterized as "genius" is in fact a complete disregard for morality. There is a great deal that can be accomplished if one is just willing to completely ignore ethics and laws. How then can somebody who cuts every corner and is reknowned for cheating be characterized as "Brilliant"?
I think anybody who characterizes Rove as "Brilliant" is mentally deficient.
I have to laugh when I hear Rove described as a "genius". He doesn't strike me as actually being all that bright. He shows a lot of animal cunning, but that shouldn't be confused with genius level intellegence. It's just a proof that he not yet chosen to become fully human.
AlZuben @ 47:
Amen!!! and see me at #25.
why can't msnbc pay off tucker's contract and get rid of him for F sake.
Why Rove is at Fox News:
1) He can read the writing on the wall. The GOP can't get the vote out for the primaries, their polling numbers suck, they've lost all the special House elections. They're doomed. Nobody knows this better than Karl. If Rove thought his party had a chance, he'd still be in the WH, using his office (and free air travel) to plot strategy, raise funds and advise campaigns.
2) Payback. Rove was Fox's eyes and ears in the WH. He helped make them the official PR network for Iraq, domestic spying, 'activist judges' and Bush/Cheney corruption. He erased the boundary between the media and conservative propaganda machined. Fox didn't become the voice of conservatism all by itself. This was a joint effort, and Rove was the collaborator-in-chief. In return for this, he now has a nice, easy paycheck and a safe place to maintain his public profile.
Nicole Belle @ 46:
I brought Kos into it because there was a thread here last fall comparing the two as to their journalist credos when they were both hired by Newsweek. I honestly don't even know if Kos is even writing there anymore, becasue none of the sites I visit even links to any of his articles. I can only assume he is not making many waves or providing any insight. And insight is what anyone who listens to Rove gets. I watch all three cable news channels on every primary night and have the DVR going as well for something I may have missed. But there is absolutely no one more knowledgeake nor as conversant as this man is on handicapping the election.
Ignore him if you want because he disgusts you. That is your option and I respect that. But if you want to shame me or anyone who does choose to listen to him, you're facing an uphill battle. A lot of the pundits jabber on and on and get very full of themselves. Rove never gets overheated or ahead of himself like almost all of them do, nor does he get flustered when challenged on his facts.
Karl Rove hasn't been convicted of one crime; that used to mean something to liberals, Nicole. You seem to want to be his judge, jury and executioner and also pass judgment on anyone who says anything positive about the man irrespective of the charges you convict him of.
He's a very good analyst, that's all I'm saying. No one is better at it than he is.
Karl's fans equate his being completely corrupt, willing to do *anything* however illegal or slezy to win, with intelligence. Bleah.
What people fail to mention is that genius boy's candidate lost the popular vote by a half million in 2000 (in addition to showing him as an asshole and non-prescient in 2006 on NPR).
The only legitimate question is why Rove is still alive. Traitors need to be executed, not given our tax dollars.
Dennis, he wasn't too good handicapping the 2006 races was he?!
KKKarl Rove has been issued a subpeona by the Sen Judiciary Committee. I don't think he'll be able to cite Executive Privilege anymore. But the timing has to be right,after Boosh leaves office. So he can't pardon him.
dennis @ 52:
mudshark @ 57:
Apparently, Kkkarl thinks differently and is refusing to appear under oath just like Meyers and others. Mukasey, how 'bout doing your job??!!! Ahhh, what's the use?
A cigar?
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Toi Su @ 55:
What a ridiculous statement.
dennis @ 52:
Sorry about my last comment; this is what I was saying:
Um, wrong, Dennis.
So, Rove learned his lesson about not getting caught after the Nixon situation, but he’s still pulling crap. And as for him being an expert, try listening to him on NPR talking about “his math” in the 2006 mid-term elections.
Nice try, though, Dennis. BTW, Rove is still under many clouds that he’ll likely escape, but we’ll see…
Dr. Acula @ 59:
He can get arrested for that can't he? What's the term for that? When someone doesn't comply with the courts? I can't remember it right now.
mudshark @ 63:
Contempt.
Does being on Faux News qualify one as a "pundit"?
Isn't "partisan hack" the correct word?
So getting away with illegal acts and dirty deeds makes one a "brilliant political tactician" in Norah McDonnells mind. Just how stupid are these people?
Kathy @ 53, that's it exactlly! To those people greed and corruption equals intellegence. It's frigging sad!
Nicole Belle @ 46:
Rove didn't out Valerie Plame.
"I mean, in a lot of cases you’ve got people—most journalists obviously are liberal Democrats—and most sort of try their best to be objective. You kind of have to guess about whether they’re achieving objectivity or not."
That's not the issue, Tucker. The most important question to ask about a news report is not, "Is it objective?" but "Is it true?"
Rusty Shackleford @ 65:
yes.
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Karl Rove is a pundit because practically every other profession has standards, as do most species of vertebrates.
Rob @ 68: Rove didn’t out Valerie Plame.
Oh no?
We so blatantly accept deceit and unethical maneuvering as part of the political process. No wonder Norah thinks this guy is a political genius. Had she been around during Watergate, she would have probably thought Haldeman and Erlichman were geniuses, too. I hope Karl Rove has a similar fate to those two. A few semesters in jail would suit him nicely
As long as people like Carlson and Rove and Limpballs and O'Really and Hannity and Coulter and Malkin and all the rest continue to be the spokesmen for the repukes, they are doomed.....
Why didn't any of them bring up Rove's efforts to undermine US voter will in US elections?
Untill you accept the fact that both of the elections in wich W 'won' the presidency were in fact rigged, you may indeed think Rove is smarter than you are.
Dr. Acula @ 72:
You may feel that he did but the facts don't support it.
Would somebody please get a brain transplant for Tucker. Maybe you could put a fruit flies brain in his head.
cant watch
i will chunder
I cannot listen to Tucker anymore, I mute him immediately. I wish the TV had a Tucker deleter so whenever he's on, the TV turns to something more educational than his drivel like My Mother the Car or Jerry Springer.
The world will be a better place when Rove, Bush and all the others are in jail awaiting sentencing. US status will jump hugely around the world once they are gone, really.
You left out the treasonous efforts to make the DOJ completely partisan, and his violation of the Hatch Act. If any man deserves to be incarcerated, Rove does. He's not even a criminal genious, he's simply a narcissistic sociopath who happened to be Bush's BFF.
jeffenator98 @ 78:
How about this guy on the right?
http://www.doctormacro.info/Images/Abbott%20and%20Costello/Annex/Annex%20-%20Abbott%20&%20Costello%20(Abbott%20and%20Costello%20Meet%20Frankenstein)_01.jpg
Didna work
How about this guy on the left?
http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/7c81f6cd/screens_feature-16709.jpeg
The true genius of Rove was leading the muttonheaded press into believing in his genius.
Elmer Gantry.
The Limbaugh effect.
Same shit diff day.
Rob @ 77:
Actually, they do. There seemed to have been a concerted effort by a number of people including turdblossom, Ari Fleischer and Richard Armitadge. Some like (m)ann coulter and Bob Woodward said they got the same story, but decided to sit on it. Armitadge like a good soldier took the fall, but his word is unreliable since he was closely involved with Iran-Contra. Additionally, it has recently come out that Patrick Fitzgerald was on the list of attornies the politicized DOJ, under Alberto Gonzales, wanted to fire him.
Boring Scott @ 7:
Damn, beat me to it...
Rusty Shackleford @ 65:
Yes, if he/she/it "spund it" correctly.
I forgot to mention Richard Armitadge is also a member of PNAC who laid out plans to attack Iraq in boosh I's term, so Plame and the Downing Street Memos pretty much made the connection that those who opposed the new war effort on Iraq in the name of terroism were persona non grata.
dennis @ 53:
The fact that Rove is not a convicted criminal is supposed to count in his favor?
That's laughable, ridiculous and pathetic. Not to mention a clear indicator of the ethical vacuum in which the 28%ers and neocons in general think and function, if this silly comment is representative of conservative opinion.
Last time I checked, most of the left-of-center pundits, gadflies and thinkers habitually scorned by the Right aren't convicted criminals either. Maureen Dowd, Paul Krugman, Molly Ivins (RIP), Arianna Huffington, Rachel Maddow, Michael Moore - not a crook among 'em. Noam Chomsky, perhaps the most hated leftist thinker - not convicted of a crime.
Does this make their views more valid in your eyes?
Yet Rove strongly appears to have had a direct hand in the mass firings of federal prosecutors, and in the prosecution (and persecution) of Dan Siegelman. He clearly violated the laws governing Executive Branch records and emails. The current lapdog justice dept, in violation of a 200-year tradition of independent judicial authority, has conveniently avoided and evaded any meaningful investigation of Rove's role in these matters. And many more matters, besides.
Let's not forget the foul and consistent record of dirty tricks in political campaigns run by Karl Rove going back decades.
Larry Craig, Tom Delay and Mark Foley haven't been convicted of crimes either. Does this make them people of good character? If Fox News hired them as commentators, would you think their views worth listening to?
Once again Tucker proves that he is a moron and that American "journalism" thinks that he has anything to say. How can a partisan twit with an IQ of 43 keep making money by being a useless piece of shit?
Does anyone believe that Sen. Obama would ever seek (much less follow) any advice from Karl Rove?!
That would be akin to him seeking medical advice from a funeral home director.
so that's the end of the story. the crooks will not be indicted, they will not be run from office in disgrace, they will not have to serve any time incarcerated, rather, they will be offered lucrative book deals and jobs as "news anchors" or panelists on "news" shows on the Fox network. Job well done and in two words, "Mission Completed." Atta boy Brownie.
This whole thing wreaks, and unless i miss my guess, the stench will only continue once hillary or more precisely Obama reaches the office. they've already been tainted. If not they would be running on a platform of impeachment, "Get out Now," and throw that buffoon Elmer Fudd out on his ear along with do-nothing Harry and "not even on the table" Nancy. New boss just like the old boss. They win. Game over.
Actually, Norah and Kyra Phillips are auditioning for jobs in the
McSame administration in the fall after McSame's victory in
the fall. McSame will try to complete Bush's mission accomplished
of destroying America.
What happened to Norah's nickname which C&L readers give her
in the past of calling her Noron.
Norah + Moron = Noron
Karl Rove - Fairly unbalanced.
Why is Tucker Carlson a Pundint? That was scarey.
Rob @ 69:
Yes, he did. Along with Scooter Libby, Richard Armitage and possibly others. The fact that he was not indicted for doing so is not indicative of his innocence but of the collusion and conspiracy that made it impossible for Fitzgerald to know exactly where the leak originated.
“Karl Rove is a political genius” ? He has his figure on the pulse of the American public? Please!
Ex 1: 2000 His candidate lost the popular vote (got into WH with the help of Poppy's friends on the Supreme Court not to mention the MSM{Gore invented the internet, discovered Love canal and was the inspiration for Love Story.])
Ex 2: 2004 His candidate won by the narrowest margin of any sitting president (got into WH with the help of the MSM-swift boats, anyone?)
Ex 3: 2006 The Republicans will pick up seats (they lost the House and the Senate).
Ex 4: 2008 the GOP is in great shape (they are going down-Karl Rove and George Bush have destroyed the party as we know it)
If anything comes from the upcoming election is we can get rid of these morons like Tucker Carlson and his "fellow travelers"
Annoyed Canuck @ 90:
FU, Annoyed Canuck. Sanctimonious P.O.S.
Bill Clinton was impeached and it only made him more of a hero to Democrats. The list of misdeeds, transgressions, crimes and errors in judgments committed by him and his wife is longer than both my arm and yours too and yet Hillary Clinton has come very close to becoming the Democratic nominee. I could do this all night long for all the heros of the Left but your logic is so flawed it's hardly worth even the two minutes already spent responding to your pathetic retort.
You don't like listening to Karl Rove- don't fucking listen to him. You don't like the fact news shows hire him- try writing a letter to the stations You don't like that he's been hired by Newsweek to write a weekly column, write to Jon Meacham. You don't like that he obviously commands an audience- that's just f'ing tough titties and I don't know what to tell you there because you'd be writing letters till the cows came home if you wanted to reach everybody who values his opinions, both liberals and conservatives.
And just because someone's been convicted on C&L doesn't make him guilty, no matter how many times you've read here the attempts that say it's so.
How did this psychopathic Nazi twit Biff Carlson ever get on television and as a pundit no less ?
How curious that Rove is still referred to as a 'genius' or a 'brilliant strategist'. How does a misanthropic lack of any ethics or decency translate as 'brilliant'. Brilliant as Idi Amin?
With no anchor in commonsense truth, free to mislead, distort & outright lie without repercussions, I see him as a thuggish gang leader. Hardly 'brilliant'.
dennis @ 99:
So refreshing to hear you sticking up for the principle of presumption of innocence, d. What changed your mind?
This is why they should give OJ Simpson a late night talk show. It's all out in the open, you just know this dude stabs people! You watch a Letterman or an O'Brien and you're like, "could this guy stab his wife and her lover, try to escape from the police in a Ford Bronco and then GET AWAY WITH IT" With OJ, you know what you're getting. He's actually better than those other guys, cause you don't have to wonder if he's a criminal, you just know he is. That's why he should have a job on TV, because everyone knows he's a criminal.
dennis @ 99:
Well, well. You're ragefest is very telling. I seem to have got your goat. Tee hee.
Figures you'd start talking about Clinton. Yawn. He got a blow job and lied about it. Big fucking deal. On the Karl Rove/Bush/Cheney scale, small potatoes indeed.
Tell me, are you this furious with Craig, Foley, Abramoff, and all the other deviants and crooks on the Right? No? I thought not.
Ha.
I DON"T fucking listen to Karl Rove. Don't read him either. I don't give a fuck who pays him. But I have an opinion - it's funny as hell that it pisses you off so much.
For 6 years Rove was probably the 3rd most powerful man in the US. And he used his power without any scruple to maintain the electoral base of the worst administration ever. He was gleefully complicit in spectacular corruption, incompetence without precedent, ruinous foreign policy, destruction of basic constitutional liberties, erasure of millions (!!) of emails in direct violation of the law, politicization of the Justice Department, and much else besides. Before that, he ruined many reputations and smeared many worthy candidates.
Seems to piss you off mightily that your pet is criticized. Aw, poor baby. Who's being sanctimonious?
Whine and swear all you want. It must be such a drag to be on the right side of the fence, and then have the ground turn to shit under your feet.
FU too, Dennis. Sincerely.
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