Lieberman defends radical McCain ally John Hagee
By Steve Benen Friday May 16, 2008 5:15pm
(Video added by Nicole B., courtesy of Bruce Wilson at Talk2Action. Think Lieberman knows about this?)
I can appreciate the fact that Joe Lieberman has finished off the McCain Kool Aid. I also realize Lieberman is completely on board with everything McCain says, does, and believes, and will defend the Republican presidential campaign against any charge, regardless of merit.
But I’m a little surprised Lieberman is willing to go so far as to defend radical televangelist John Hagee. We’re obviously well past any and all shark-jumping moments for Lieberman, but given some of Hagee’s thoughts on Judaism, I thought Lieberman might still have a shred of principle in him. I stand corrected.
From a Fox News interview earlier this week, between FNC’s Megyn Kelly and Lieberman:
KELLY: It’s great to have you again. I want to ask you about this Hagee thing before we get to the environment because it’s, you know, the late-breaking news of the day. The DNC already came out with a response to this saying this is insufficient, they want McCain to do more. Let me show you what they said. They say, “unless John McCain’s idea of being a new kind of Republican includes cozying up to radicals who compare women to dogs, hold racially insensitive fundraisers and call one of the worst natural disasters in our country’s history God’s punishment, he should renounce John Hagee’s endorsement immediately.” They don’t seem prepared to let this die. Where do you think it stands? How do we go forward on this?
LIEBERMAN: Well, look, I think that the DNC is obviously doing this because they set Pastor Hagee as some kind of response to Reverend Wright Enhanced Coverage for Senator Obama. But I don’t think that’s fair in the basic way that everybody’s already said which is that never went to Pastor Hagee’s church. He accepted his endorsement. He represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel. He founded a group called Christians United for Israel.
Actually, McCain did more than “accept” Hagee’s endorsement. McCain actually worked for a year to engage Hagee, seek his support, and earn the radical preacher’s endorsement. It was active, not passive, and to say otherwise is misleading.
As Lieberman’s general praise for Hagee’s work, I’m going to have to assume that Lieberman has no idea what Hagee has actually said about Jews and Israel.
Ben Smith explained yesterday, for example, that Hagee’s support for Israel is “rooted in the belief that the Jewish state will — soon — be the site of Armageddon,” and his “brand of Christian Zionism closely links support for Israel to the end of the world and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.”
Hagee’s predictions are very clear. Armageddon, the final battle, could begin, he wrote in his 2007 book “Jerusalem Countdown,” “before this book gets published.”
The Antichrist “will be the head of the European Union,” he writes.
Using geographical calculations based on the Book of Revelation, he writes that Israel will be covered in “a sea of human blood” in the final battle.
The Jews, however, will survive the battle, Hagee says, long enough to have “the opportunity to receive Messiah, who is a rabbi known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth.”
Hagee also believes Jews have been persecuted over the centuries, but as far as he’s concerned, it’s their own fault.
“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.”
And while we’re at it, Hagee’s “support” for Israel is rooted in the notion that Hagee welcomes Israel’s destruction.
[Hagee] argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia’s leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an “inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon.” During his appearance on Hinn’s program at the end of last March, for example, the host enthused, “We are living in the last days. These are the most exciting days in church history,” but then went on to add, “We are facing now [the] most dangerous moment for America.” At one point, Hinn clapped his hands in delight and shouted, “Yes! Glory!” and then urged his viewers to donate money faster because he is running out of time to preach the gospel.
So, it’s not that Hagee loves Israel, so much as he foresees a blood-soaked war in the Middle East that leads to Jesus’ return, at which point the Jews who survive will become Christians.
But that’s all fine, according to Joe Lieberman, because Hagee “represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel.”
I can’t help but wonder if Lieberman will soon have any friends left outside the far-right evangelical Christian community. I kind of doubt it.
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Who is it that sits in the pews and listens to these blowhards???? Scary.
One of the most...interesting parts of Lieberman's Hagee endorsement, is referring to him as an 'Ish Elokim', "...a man of God...like Moses he's become the leader of a mighty multitude, even greater than the multitude that Moses led from Egypt to the promised land."
via Bill Moyers, PBS
Sounds like he's sweet on him, in a self-annihilatory way.
Isn't a source of great pride that the democrats are going to put a nominee out there for president
who has this to say about the great slug, Joe Lieberman.
"What I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect... I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate."
Our hero, the gifted orator, B. Obama, uttered these immortal words. Who can forget them? Magic.
Ah yes. Good heart. Keen intellect. It really made good sense sending smelly Joe back to the Senate.
How did it feel down there, Barack?
The Lieberman BEAST STRIKES!!!!!!!
jackass, Israel whatever, of what value are they to us besides a tool to maintain a totally destabilized middle east in perpetuity?
Anyone who continues to deny that our nation was deliberately steered into war by a political crime syndicate is either a great fool or a great liar. Anyone who continues to support the Bush administration is co-conspirator to that war crime. Lieberman is all of those things. To speak of principle and that man in the same breath is beyond preposterous. His absence of integrity is surpassed only by his lack of humanity. He is a wretched man in every sense of the word.
I really don't like the guy.
I am sickened. As a Catholic I wrote to that wacky Catholic group that accepted this slimeball Hagee's apology and said that they certainly weren't speaking for me. I don't accept his apology. And I'm not stupid enough to think their acceptance isn't just a way to enable them all to feel better about voting Republican, which is what they want to do anyway. If Hagee was a supporter of Obama or Hillary, they would have never accepted that apology. And old Lieberman wouldn't be calling him a holy man.
Sen. Lieberman is through in the Democratic party, just as soon as the November elections take place, and he knows it. He's just smoothing a little spot out for himself on the other side of the aisle.
Christianity needs to stay the Hell (pun not intended) away from US politics. The Church, when in power, is a cruel and vengeful institution.
Ah Hagee, the false prophet of psycho rednecks everywhere. Lieberman gets it, lol.
You obviously missed the Max Blumenthal clip where LIEberman introduces Hagee by comparing Hagee to Moses!
Hey Lieberman...Shut UP!!! No one cares what you think...
There are Dems in CT who still like Lieberman.
They don't come to places like this, which they think is dominated by DFH.
They are very comfortable financially and very ignorant. And very well educated, on paper.
We need a revolution in this country.
But a revolution will go nowhere without these people onboard.
That's nice that Lieberman will defend a man who thinks that being a Jew condemns you to a life of eternal torture at the hands of an angry god. Very, uh, flexible of ole Joe.
Friday's (May 16) NPR show Fresh Air had an Israile journalist on who makes some very interesting
comments on the differences between "Zionism" and "Christian Zionism", basically nailing "Christian Zionism" as radical far right group ultimately "praying" for and encouraging the destruction of Israel to help bring on the 2nd coming of Christ. From the show...
..."It's something of a contradiction in terms, because the people who promote the idea of Christian Zionism are looking at Israel in mythological terms," says Gorenberg. "They're seeing the Jews as actors in a Christian drama leading toward the end of days."
Gorenberg notes that the Christian Zionists take a position on Israel and on the Middle East that puts them at the "the radical right within Israeli politics," opposing any land concessions that might lead to peace.
Link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90509127
Nice to know who your friends are, huh Joe?
That part about Hinn telling his followers, "Donate money faster, because I am running out of time to preach the Gospel, " tells it all in a nutshell. Most people leading religious organization are a bunch of lying thieveing blowhards. There are many people who go there for the right reasons, but are just bilked of their money and emotions by these assholes.
I bet most of these clowns wouldn't pass a background check. Lieberman is a confused asshole. Anyone who would allow Israel to be used by the Christo-fascist doesn't even have his own best-interest at heart. Does he even have a moral compass?
darkblack@3
re:Leberman on Hagee
"Sounds like he’s sweet on him, in a self-annihilatory way."
rofalmao
Very astute.If these Evangelists weren`t so dangerous they would be a lot funnier.Fact is that they are the most evil egomaniacs in the country responsible for multitudinous spiritual violence.Well I`ve got news for Hagee and his followers:"Jesus Thinks You`re a Jerk."
I get the distinct impression that if, as Hitler geared up to assume power in Germany, he had stated that he "supported the Jewish people and considered them allies in his quest for returning Germany to their rightful place among the nations of the world," Lieberman would have jumped on board ... and gotten around to reading "Mein Kampf" later.
McCain's relationship to Hagee is worse than Obama's relationship with Hagee. Here is the difference between Hagee and Wright.
Wright had a pastoral relationship with Obama.
McCain has a political relationship with Hagee.
meant to say Obama's relationsip with Wright.
christians who care alot about israel is a bit of an understatement, isn't it joe? we've got your number fucker:
john hagees' armageddonites over at CUFI believe that we must go to war with iran in order to expedite the second coming of christ and the "rapture" and all jews will have to accept jesus christ as their savior and messiah or endure: "THE MOTHER OF ALL HOLOCAUSTS." although judaism inherently disbelieves such nonsense the zionists embrace these pro-israel christians -- joe lieberman even compares the pudgy little gluttonous sinner hagee to moses and calls him a: "EESH ELO KIM" which is hebrew for "MAN OF GOD." these armageddonite whackos are VIPs at the AIPAC conferences, benjamin netanyahu speaks at the CUFI conferences and john mccain solicited hagee's endorsement for his presidential bid.
every american should watch these vids to get a grip on how dangerously twisted these cultist freaks are and and what torrid and shameful pandering is bestowed upon them by some of our worlds most powerful leaders and dignitaries: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/watch.html and: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_...
please take the time to inform yourselves . . . this is our path to victory in 2008. Spread the link and bring awareness to this sick, twisted, horrific anti-American fascist ideology and agenda.
We do not need these people controlling the most powerful position in the free world -- it would be to our certain peril as a free nation.
sully18 @16... " Jesus Thinks You`re a Jerk.”
I certainly miss Mr. Zappa. Had go see the youtube version for a chuckle... thanks
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcE2dq3YD0
Lieberman is McCain's puppet.
Kathy in St. louis @ 8:
If you were truly sickened by Hagee's comments, Karen, or the 'wacky' Catholic group that accepted his apology, you'd speak up on the numerous anti-Catholic tirades made here frequently that are far worse than his, and for which apologies are never made.
You've never done that.
All hail AIPAC!
ZIEG AIPAC!
ZIEG ZION!
Lieberman is senile. Spending all that time with Susan Collins did it.
dennis @ 23:
You are SO pathetic...
McCain's medical report has been suppressed for good reason. President Lieberman. Has a ring to it. Perhaps a death knell you say?.
It was probably a mistake to accept his endorsement + I'm glad to have his endorsement = I'm happy to make mistakes.
princess @ 23:
R O F L Princess attempts a hannity impression for our amusement Thanks for the chuckle.
I am so fucking sick of faith.
Obama's got Reverend Wright and the conspiratorial cult of black liberation theology.
McCain's got Hagee and the no-longer-agents-of-intolerance, Falwell & Robertson. Is Dobson on board?
HRC has her legions of "prayer warriors" and all the old white Christian rednecks who just couldn't vote for a "colored".
At least Obama is a former skeptic.
Hagees endorsement is much worse than the Wright controversy. Obama has made it absolutely clear he strongly disagrees with him on his controversial statements
McCain desperately wanted Hagees endorsement and Hagee with his wacko ideas about the Middle East obviously chose to endorse McCain because he felt McCain was the best candidate to realize his ideas. If McCain strongly disagrees with Hagee on Israel or Iran why would Hagee endorse McCain?
If Obama wins in November, it will be despite Wright. Obama will owe him nothing.
If McCain wins in November, it will be in part because of Hagee. McCain will owe Hagee a political debt.
How do you suppose Hagee will want to be paid?
BluePearl @ 18:
Uhh-huhh, BluePearl. Sure. Likely I guess that Obama and Wright only conferred pastorally regarding all things political. Like when he said Israel was a 'dirty' word.
Even though Obama's picture was on the cover of Wright's church's magazine, The Trumpet, a total of three times, likely he never got around to reading anything political in it, only the pastoral things.
Like this article from Wright U.S. Must Stop Middle East Violence.
Or this A Fresh View of the Palestinian Struggle.
Only a pastoral relationship. What a joke.
princess@ 33:
Excellent job of displaying your typical expected fake outrage, Sean....er, princess.
Rusty Shackleford @ 32:
First time I've heard that one, Russ. I thought it's already been determined that if McCain wins it's because of Diebold. And then of course blatant racism. Oh, and stupidity, don't forget that one.
I'm guessing Hagee will be well down the list.
Dr. Biitter Hussein (Mission Accomplished) Matt @ 34:
One nice thing about d is that with him around, I never need to listen to Hannity. I know exactly what ole Sean is saying.
I think d needs to check his links, too. They are... wanting.
dennis @ 35:
That's why I said "in part."
Rusty Shackleford @ 37:
OK.
But if Obama wins, it will also be 'in part' because of Wright. The controversy had a big impact on voter turnout in the NC primary according to exit polls.
dennis @ 38:
I believe I was clear on Wright in post 32, d. I know you're frazzled after last week - tough one for you guys - but do try to keep up.
dennis @ 38:
In North Carolina, 33 percent said Wright was “very important” to their vote, while 15 percent said it was “somewhat important,” and 62 percent of those two groups combined went with Clinton.
I guess that's what you're referring to, d.
Now, how do you spin that as Wright being anything other than hurtful to Obama? I'm all ears.
Rusty Shackleford @ 36:
Weak, Russ. You're better than the poster you're attempting to emulate.
The one link that was repeated was a youtube video of Wright making the 'Israel is a dirty word'. I'm sure you've seen it before- I doubt BluePearl has, judging from his previous comment.
And if Hillary had done one tenth the work Sean Hannity has done on Rev. Wright and been able to expose Obama's relationship to him before the Iowa caucus, she would've won the nomination by Super Tuesday as she had origiannly planned. Obama would've never won Iowa.
dennis @ 41:
None of your links were to the alleged "Israel is a dirty word" vid, d. You linked twice to the article by Wright calling for a peaceful solution to the conflict in the Middle East, and once to a reprint of an L.A. Times editorial.
Rusty Shackleford @ 40:
Wait a second, Russ. Don't be your typical hypocritical ol' self. You were one of the guys attacking me when I disagreed with the echo chamber here saying Wright would have no negative effects on Obama. You are the one appearing to be frazzled. But you're not really frazzled, you just attack me no matter what your previous positions were. You've joined the Sk8trboi fanclub, I see.
Those were Democratic voters in that poll. Bloggers here have declared they will all come home to roost for Obama in the general election. So the net effect for Obama from Wright is that more voters will back him on his relationship to Wright and their disgust at the left-wing's and Wright's blaming of it on Sean Hannity, the man you no longer have to listen to.
"I also realize Lieberman is completely on board with everything McCain says, does, and believes, and will defend the Republican presidential campaign against any charge, regardless of merit.
But I’m a little surprised Lieberman is willing to go so far as to defend radical televangelist John Hagee."
How's that?
yill @ 21:
Thanks,yill, I hadn`t seen that,and yes we sure miss Mr Zappa.If you get a chance to see Dweezil`s tour Zappa plays Zappa,it is really nice.
23 dennis
Surely, you jest. Most on this site when they say "anti-Catholic" comments are specific: i.e. the predatory pedophile priests, and the bishops that enabled them.
There are policy differences such as birth control, and abortion.
There are also the atheists who are against ALL religion or consider ALL religions to be superstitious, and the Catholics aren't singled out.
Even boosh went against the Vatican who were against going to war with Iraq, and against the death penalty, and greater care for the poor, and a softer stance on illegal immigration. Does that mean all the reichwing are therefore anti-Catholic?
Rusty Shackleford @ 42:
Israel is a 'dirty word'. Here.
The La Times editorial was reprinted in Rev. Wright's 'The Trumpet' magazine. Barack Obama said he believes that we need to address the "legitimate claims" of Hamas and Hezbollah. This article shows the church's support of Hamas and Hezbollah.
None of this is important though as Obama surely missed all of this and besides, he's already disavowed the man he said he could no longer disavow than he could disavow the black church. But it's not accurate to say his relationship was only pastoral. That was a joke for BluePearl to say that.
Dennis is an asshole. You can find him on News-Max.
Ignore this idiot.
ysbaddaden @ 46:
Well, ysby, none of this addresses my point made to Kathy in St' Louis. Many, many comments are made here that are much more vitriolic and downright nasty toward Catholicism than you say. I just have to wonder why the Catholics who post here who are so sickened by Hagee's comments never speak out about even the more hateful anti-Catholic comments made here. That was my only point to Kathy.
She's really only sickened because that 'wacky Catholic group' will likely vote for McCain. I suspect that group will be able to detect that when they read her letter.
I'm looking forward to the day that Droopy Dog drops out of the national discourse -- hopefully when he is shown the door next election.
Ratface @ 48:
I've never posted on NewsMax, Mr. Ratface. But I'm perfectly fine with you or anyone ignoring me.
Sir.
This is why I left Christianity for Witchcraft
If I'm going to be superstitious or irrational
I'm gonna do it in a big way.
Praise Bob!
24 CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery
That's sieg, and the juxtaposition of a German word made famous by the Nazi's (sieg hiel), with Zion is inflammatory.
AIPAC is just another PAC group out of way too many in Washington.
Maywe we need to sic Ms. Pac after them.
I'm outta here.
Why does how unswerving a particular candidate's support for a foreign country (no matter how friendly) figure into their electability as Prez? Shouldn't a candidate for President be judged based on, say, his policies regarding America? Not to besmirch Israel or the courageous struggle of its people, but the spectacle of American politicians pandering to a foreign nation to get elected at home always struck me as truly bizarre. It doesn't happen anywhere else.
I mean, Israel is a sovereign state, not an American pet. Israel doesn't get a rubber stamp from DC before it acts in its national interest. What happens when one of Israel's national goals is diametrically opposed to the interests of the United States? What would McCain or Lieberman DO?
Lieberman would vote to confirm Charles Manson as McCain's Sec. of Health and Human Services
One last thing and I'm awaaaay we go.
Comments about this site's "anti-Catholic" comments, secular though they may be, are placed in threads where the site is admonishing a PROTESTANT for his anti-Catholic views, theologically as it were.
And that's not counting folk who's comments generally get deleted that go all Protocols of the Elders of Zion on us.
He represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel.
That is what is wrong with our foreign policy, in a nutshell. Why is it always called the "state" of Israel & not the nation.
that and what Sid says.
dennis @ 50:
Kathy in St. louis @ 8:
dennis: read her post again. I myself am a recovering Catholic. And in my opinion ALL Religions are WHACKY!
Kathy in St. louis @ 8:
I am sickened. As a Catholic I wrote to that wacky Catholic group that accepted this slimeball Hagee’s apology and said that they certainly weren’t speaking for me. I don’t accept his apology. And I’m not stupid enough to think their acceptance isn’t just a way to enable them all to feel better about voting Republican, which is what they want to do anyway. If Hagee was a supporter of Obama or Hillary, they would have never accepted that apology. And old Lieberman wouldn’t be calling him a holy man.
Sen. Lieberman is through in the Democratic party, just as soon as the November elections take place, and he knows it. He’s just smoothing a little spot out for himself on the other side of the aisle.
If you were truly sickened by Hagee’s comments, Karen, or the ‘wacky’ Catholic group that accepted his apology, you’d speak up on the numerous anti-Catholic tirades made here frequently that are far worse than his, and for which apologies are never made.
You’ve never done that.
Why, Dennis, I am so flattered that you follow my pitiful epistles so closely that you know what I speak about and what I don't. I'll mention your disapproval to my sister, the nun, and all the other Catholic folks I attend church with.
Some of the people who post here seem a tad over the top about the Catholic Church. They are entitled to their opinions. The Reverend Hagee's "opinion" is a little harder to take. He's making money off of it, which really fries me.
Apparently, you are merely the resident contrarian here. Good luck with that. It sharpens your adversaries' wits, from what I'm able to see here. Get to bed early.
Mass is at 9 a.m.
And Mr. Donavan's group is a Republican front organization and right-wing hotbed.
Shag @ 16:
No, he doesn't. That's why he's often found bent over examining McCain's moral compass...
Dr. Biitter Hussein (Mission Accomplished) Matt @ 30:
If it were a Hannity impression, then he missed the drooling smirk part at the end. Wait, I can't say that for sure. My bad.
I too would recommend Bill Moyer's pieces on Hagee and Lieberman's pandering to him.
dennis @ 44:
Disagreeing with you is an "attack"? Okay, d. Take my advice - never get married. You'll never make it.
As for Obama and Wright, the overwhelming majority of people for whom Wright was an issue voted AGAINST Obama. I guess to you, that helps him. Unusual worldview, d.
And what is "Sk8trboi"?
I find it ironic that Dennis is complaining about (virtually nonexistent) attacks against Catholics at C&L. Not only for their relative lack, but also for the fact that Dennis has no complaint with articles attacking those with other religions, and those with no religion, as being unworthy to hold leadership positions in our country.
Lieberman's dementia where the "End of Times" perverts are concerned is mind boggling. Maybe he has a huge guilt complex and believes that these nut jobs will beat the devil out of him. Makes no sense to me--never has. He has always looked very disturbed to me. That, or very paid by the Israeli right wing which most Israelis don't agree with. It's like he wants the blood bath.
Rusty Shackleford @ 64:
Too late. 20 years this August.
I think we are disagreeing on the words 'in part'. In part, Wright will have helped Obama, I think. Too early to say for both Wright and Hagee who will help or hurt more.
Lieberman has a good heart and a keen intellect.
The people of Connecticut showed good sense when they sent him back to the U.S. Senate.
The thing I don't get about the wingnut's defense of McHagee about how McCain didn't spend 20 years in the pews and so forth is why no one calls them on the 20+ years that the republicks have been in bed with religious f'nutters like Hagee, Robertson and so forth. All republicks might as well have been sitting in those pews (and probably using the kneelers for other things) for all that time.
The other thing I don't get is why no one calls them on the difference between Wright's dog damn America and Robertson's version. Wright's sky fairy will punish the US for their actions whereas Robertson's sky fairy will punish the US because it's a hateful sky fairy.
Seriously, why is no one really bringing that up?
Kathy in St. louis @ 60:
Rev. Wright makes a LOT of money off his constituency too, Kathy. He's building a $1.5mm house in a gated golf course community, surrounded by whites. I'm not writing a letter to anybody about it though.
I go to a 5pm Mass on Sundays usually, but thanks. I went to SLU for my graduate degree, btw. Attended Our Lady of Providence Church in Crestwood, MO and used to go to The White House in South St. Louis for weekend retreats every spring when I lived there.
I'm not a very devout Catholic, to be honest. I let poster's opinions about religion and Catholicism go in one ear and out the other here, just like I did with Hagee's remarks. Just like the same tack about everyone here took with Rev. Wright. And apparently so did Barack Obama if he's to be believed. We'll have to see on that one, though.
Lieberman is definitely nuts. And nutty conservatives always tend to stick together. So it is completely understandable, in a bizarre way, that Lieberman, in defending McNovocain, also defends Hagee, the nutty conservative Christian who believes that for Jesus Christ to return all unrepentant Jews must die, including Lieberman, the orthodox Jew. Crazy, eh?
Anything that Rev. Wright might have said or may even believe pales in comparison to the crazy evangelical Christian idea that Israel, after being reborn in 1948, must be destroyed in some apocalyptic catastrophe, for Jesus Christ to return. Which, of course, makes Hagee's support of Israel just a temporary measure meant to assure Israel's existence until the "end times," at which time Israel will flow with the blood of countless "unrepentant" Jews, who never got around to proclaiming Jesus the one and only true Son of God, and their Lord and Saviour.
I don't know about you, but Lieberman, Hagee and McCain deserve each other...but our nation doesn't deserve having these nutty conservatives anywhere near the levers of power, just as Israel doesn't. For you see, based on all the evidence, nutty conservatives have proven that they have a death wish, which may explain why they all believe so righteously and rigorously in the death penalty. Death. Death. Death. Which is strange, since conservatives claim they are pro-life. I'm not fooled.
So why would Joe (Jewish guy) support the devil's spawn Hagee (RW xtian nutjob) who is a promoter of the idea that Jews dont have souls !
If I was to become the great decider / dictator , there would be a Stalin style purge of the neocon and far right lunatics and madmen , Lieberman would be on the list .
Lieberman.....the very definition of a self hating Jew.
What's the big f-ing deal? What Hagee said about the Catholic Church is true. And this propaganda video you're showing to make some sort of point makes you supposed lefties seem as ridiculous and small minded as the right.
dennis @ 68:
Obviously true, but if you think Wright helped Obama in NC, as you indicated above, then you must be using Rove math (2006 version).