Sen. Joe Biden: The President had me negotiate with Gaddafi: He should fire Gates and Rice as appeasers
By John Amato Saturday May 17, 2008 8:03pm
Sen. Joe Biden was on ABC's THIS WEEK and took President Bush and John McCain to the woodshed over their latest attacks on the entire Democratic Party including Barack Obama over their negotiating in any form with Iran. He busts Bush for being a complete hypocrite. Wow, who knew? Bush asked Biden to negotiate with Gaddafi and he did. And I think it turned out pretty good. And since Gates and Condi want to talk with Iran too, what does Biden think about that? Fire those appeasers now! I'm sure McCain will agree.
STEPHANOPOULOS: It sounds like you're calling it hypocrisy.
BIDEN: Well, I should -- I'm trying to be more polite, but I shouldn't be. It was ridiculous. This is president -- this is pure, unadulterated politics. And the last point I'll make -- maybe the president doesn't know -- I'll be a smart guy, here --maybe he doesn't know what's going on in his own administration. But as soon as he gets back, he should fire, as appeasers, Gates...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Secretary of defense? BIDEN: ... and Rice -- secretary of defense and secretary of
state.STEPHANOPOULOS: Why? BIDEN: Because they both -- Gates as recently as a week ago --said, we've got to sit down and talk with the Iranian directly.
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STEPHANOPOULOS: How about the substance of what the president
was trying to say? Because John McCain picked up on it. He said
basically, you know, we have a big difference here. Barack Obama
wants unconditional talks with the Iranians. We don't. Here's what
Senator McCain said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCCAIN: Talking, not even with soaring rhetoric, unconditional,
and unconditional meetings with the man who calls Israel a stinking
corpse, and arms terrorist who kills Americans, will not convince Iran
to give up its nuclear program. It is reckless.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Obama has said that his State
Department, his National Security Council would engage in
unconditional talks with the Iranians.
BIDEN: Let's put this in perspective. The reason why we'd be in
so much trouble if John McCain were president -- and I love him -- is
because of what you just heard.
What's the alternative to talking with a country that's building
a nuclear weapons, attempting to, that in fact is helping kill
Americans by supporting elements in Iraq that are killing Americans?
You either talk; you go to war; or you maintain the status quo.
Now, let's talk about talking. President Bush, the White House,
called me, several years ago, told me Air Force Two was waiting for me
at Andrews Air Force Base; would I get on the plane and go meet with
Gadhafi, a real known terrorist, personally, a terrorist -- personally
responsible for killing kids at the school I went to, Syracuse
University, blowing up that Pan Am flight.
The president of the United States asked me to go. He cut a deal
with Gadhafi, directly. It was a smart thing to do. He gave up his
nuclear weapons, Gadhafi.
What's the second thing?
We're in Korea, right now, George. You want to put the hit list
to the worst guys in the world?
How about Kim Jong Il?
They have proliferated nuclear technology, put us in jeopardy,
and other nations around the world. What is the president of the
United States doing, writing letters saying, "Dear Mr. Chairman" --
referring to him.
They've cut a deal. They've cut a deal. The president of the
United States of America, last time I was in Iraq, was trying to set
up, and recently asked for a third meeting with the Iranians, to talk
with them about what's going on in Iraq.
This is sophistry. This is ridiculous.
STEPHANOPOULOS: It sounds like you're calling it hypocrisy.
BIDEN: Well, I should -- I'm trying to be more polite, but I
shouldn't be. It was ridiculous. This is president -- this is pure,
unadulterated politics.
And the last point I'll make -- maybe the president doesn't know
-- I'll be a smart guy, here -- maybe he doesn't know what's going on
in his own administration. But as soon as he gets back, he should
fire, as appeasers, Gates...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Secretary of defense?
BIDEN: ... and Rice -- secretary of defense and secretary of
state.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Why?
BIDEN: Because they both -- Gates as recently as a week ago --
said, we've got to sit down and talk with the Iranian directly.
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Stephanopoulos didn't know about Condi and Gates? Does he live in a cave?
Bush is a political opportunist and an ideolouge.
Who knew?
DUDE!! oh and sorry about last night C&L for my behaviour too !
Rufus @ 1:
He lives in a corporate media echo chamber.
You just gotta love Sen. "That's Bullshit!" Biden.
But unfortunately it appears he didn't get the IOKIYAR memo.
But then again, given the way things are shaping up, it appears that We The People either also didn't get the memo - or are choosing to tear it to shreds.
Can I get an "Amen"?
Biden is right and its rather sad that the president of the USA has no idea of whos on first , second or third, then Bush makes choices based on ??? shit id say but then again what do we matter? We the ppl for the ppl was a thing of the past, quote it now and repubs think´´hippe´´!
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 2:
Bush is a puppet...Cheney is the opportunist/ideolouge
Senator Biden has had it and thank goodness he is showing it. Go Biden I know you have noticed that the American public has lost some faith in our congress and the nation.
Biden's still a doormat for continuing to agree with Bush while trying to throw back the "appeaser" comment at him. There was no reason for us to negotiate with Gadhafi, other than to make Big Oil happy. The reasons I'm ok with Obama talking to Ahmadinejad is that he doesn't yet have blood on his hands, and because we're not in a position to ignore whatever help we need to get us out of the quagmire that is Iraq. Talking to either Castro I was ok with, because the Cold War is over, and it's hypocritical of us to let China sell us tainted dog food, while arguing that Fidel is an even bigger human rights violator than them.
New post up at my blog. enjoy it for the laughs and let go the tension etc.
Iam off to bed soon, Danke Crooks&Liars for a great blog where you guys play it straight and dont favor anyone or anything, just report the news as it is,, and offer us a chance to have our say.
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two colons in headline = fail
Instead of subsidizing poppy growers in Afghanistan for five years so that they could replant pomegrante, almonds, apricots (orchards that were wiped out during the fight with Russia for 10 years) The Bush administration is going to build a new prison in Afghanistan.
Wonder which American contractor won that bid.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/17/us-planning-big-new-prison-in-afghanistan/
Repugnantcants accuse the democrats of doing what they do all of the time. I just saw Hannity accuse the democrats of using the politics of fear. When are they going to face up to reality?
I still want to know who is the (alleged) Senator who (allegedly) said, "Oh Lord! I only wish I had had more time to talk to Hitler!" when the Nazis rolled into Poland in 1939.
Or so alleged my WarLord pResidnet ..
I assume he pulled it out of his lily white posterior ..
I would LOVE to watch Dana Perino's reaction if anyone in the Press Corps asks her, "Just who was that Senator?"
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 4:
anyone who take talking points from scumbaggero is always below any level of expectations.
MountainMan23 @ 14:
Apparently it was a senator from Idaho. I don't know the name.
It's rather simple really.
The reason the White House hasn't been upset with Gates and Rice is that it already knows for certain that Gate's and Rice's calls for talking to Iran aren't appeasement. That's because the calls for talks aren't in the least bit sincere.
They are just part of building a plausible excuse for when the administration has to say "we tried diplomacy before we bombed as a last resort."
PS. The skillful purposeful use of hypocrisy has been one of the Republican Party's most effective tools in achieving their political goals. Charges of hypocrisy fall off a Republican like water off a duck. They just wink at each other and laugh.
MountainMan23 @ 14:
rotflmao!
Mr. Biden, add to hypocrite, liar, warmonger and thief. Then you're on a roll.
chimpy should be ashame of himself but this dummy and the rest of the repugs just don't want to make sense, they don't want to have commonsense.
Go Obama!
Go USA!
I'm a victim of the GOP's politics of fear. I fear they have ruined this country. I fear that they'll do even more harm in BushCheney's remaining months. I fear Congress won't do what's long overdue: impeach, indict, and imprison the Bush and his cabal of war criminals.
So either Bush is head-crushingly stupid, or he thinks the public is.
slippy hussein toad @ 21:
Not mutually exclusive...
Kathleen @ 12:
Be reasonable!
(1) America is the World's Greatest Democracy. Right?
(2) America incarcerates a higher percentage of its population than any other nation. Right?
(3) America is Spreading Democracy. Right?
THEREFORE - Build More Prisons.
It's the DEMOCRATIC thing to do!
PLUS!
It's very profitable business.
Taxpayers pay Big Bucks!!
And .. you get to lock up the people YOU dont like!
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 15:
this fool has ruin his career because he takes talking points from the worst, hannity. what a goofball.
Jack Woomer @ 17:
exactly!
Jack Woomer @ 17:
Bingo. I made this point with someone earlier today.
It isn't so much that Bush is an idiot and puppet (although he is). He makes sure he surrounds himself with people who know how to put the proper spin on things in order to make his dreams reality - giving 'legitimacy' to his actions. Well, at least in his own mind.
got to be sure that everyone is using the same definition for "appease" before discussing it....
1: to bring to a state of peace or quiet : calm
2: to cause to subside : allay
3: pacify, conciliate; especially : to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles
Gates and Rice wanting to talk to people might not really be appeasing.....
Biden might have it wrong here.
Republican Hypocrites.
Georgie Boy's playing dumb schtick ("Whoa, Gates, why Gates?") is page 1 in the Corporate Media Playbook. They're all horrible.
Blogs starting to bring some attention to the Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) hearings last week. THE MSM HAS NOT TOUCHED THIS YET.
Soldier Refuses Iraq Tour, Citing 'Stomach-Churning Horrors'
http://www.antiwar.com/glantz/?articleid=12851
One Soldier Says No
http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/18/one-soldier-says-no/
NOT A MENTION ABOUT THESE HEARINGS ON ANY MSM NEWS PROGRAM ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY. ANYONE HEAR ANYTHING MENTIONED ON ANY OF THE SUNDAY TALKING HEADS NEWS PROGRAMS? ANYTHING AT ALL? hMMMM
the complete hearing from last Thursday of Iraq war veterans accounts. worth the watch
http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&r...
Mike @ 11. Ah, the grammar police are on patrol again......
McCain thinks that talking is reckless ? Gee, maybe he learned something from his little Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran rendition. Talking is the only thing left when the military and economy are broken.
Now there are plans for a 40-acre prison in Afghanistan and a Disney-style amusement park in Iraq. These people are delusional.
I'm just disappointed Biden wasn't able to work "malarkey" into his comments.
Biden was actually aware of what Gates said.... wow, he(Biden) must have started
reading the blogs....
MountainMan23 @ 14:
William Edgar Borah was the senator who was a prominent Republican attorney and longtime United States Senator from Idaho noted for his oratorical skills and isolationist views. One of his nicknames later in life was "The Lion of Idaho." [snip]
Borah may be best known today for having allegedly said, in September 1939, after Germany invaded Poland, "Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided."
calgarylady @ 31:
Not only delusional but dangerous as well. They all have to go.
xenophon @ 7:
Bush is a puppet...Cheney is a terrorist and a war profiteer...the Republican Party are opportunist and ideolouges.
Ron @ 16:
Thanks for the tip!
The quote's actual origin is almost as interesting as I had speculated:
It's attributed to a REPUBLICAN SENATOR!!
Bush turns history on its head
tHeIKnowAHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 24:
thanks for the gentle correction.
Who has stock in war? Who's making the $$$. Follow the money. McShitty, Bush, Cheney all profit. Of course they think talk is dangerous -- to their wallets!
MountainMan23 @ 37:
He did something "bad" so Fox News will say he is a Democrat.
Barbara Key @ 34:
LINK HERE:
MountainMan23 @ 14:
Prescott Bush. He wanted to secure his investment in Nazi businesses early. The Shrub just forgot it was meant for family discussion only.
Otay @ 42:
Sorry. Forgot the ;)
jon kip @ 27:
Not sure if you meant this as sarcasm, but I think Biden's point is that the Prezidunce has people in his administration making similar statements as those that he calls "appeasers".
And I'm fairly certain that Bush doesn't really know what that word means...
Mike V. @ 44:
I am convinced Bush has a very limited vocabulary, education and capacity.
Biden is still full of himself but in this case speaks straight on. Motive? How about VP?
Senator Biden is an A hold. He and senatory Hillary Clinton
wanted voted to give authority to Prez Bushie to go to
war in Iraq. Neither Biden or Clinton had read the NIE
intelligence report on Iraq's "WMD" capabilities. They
were probably too busy with family of business matters
to read the NIE intelligence.
Most of the entire demorats are appeasers and
enables of Prez Bushie - all moral cowards.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 45:
He had the best Yale education his daddy could buy for him. Gosh, Yale must be so proud.
Gretchen @ 48:
He got a C average and it would not suprise me if he cheated to get it.
Mark Richards @ 46:
Now that you bring it up, I don't remember Biden getting as riled in the past as he has this week. Maybe he is thinking if he appears to be a democrat of 'action', that would bring voter appeal and make him more visible and valuable as a candidate for VP. Interesting theory.
MountainMan23 @ 23:
I have become friends with a young man who is studying here in the states on a Fulbright for the last two and a half years. He had to leave his four children, wife and large family to study here. We have spent hours discussing what has been taking place in Afghanistan. His father is a retired Bridadier General and fought the Russians for 20 years.
His father also walked all 12 children to Pakistan soon after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. My friend talks with his family weekly and for two years they have been repeating that the Taliban is getting stronger and stronger. That the lack of funds to help build an infrastructure, by replanting what was destroyed in the war against Russia, the lack of subsidies for poppy farmers etc etc. That the situation in Afghanistan has gotten worse. He believes as well as his father that the Bush administration does not want to stabilize Afghanistan that via chaos more control is to be had by destabilization.
The Afghani people have suffered so much and things do not seem to be improving
http://www.afghanland.com/
I have learned a great deal about the Muslim faith by talking with my friend and listening to the debates of Dr. Zakir Naik.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckMwbVmMkIw
HAVE FOLKS GONE TO SEE "Where in the world is Osama Bin Laden"
Really worth it...Insightful
http://www.whereisobl.com/#/videos/
dale18 @ 47:
hit the spellchecker, will ya?
dale18 @ 47:
Biden recently voted against the Kyl Lieberman amendment while Hillary voted for it. At least he learned a lesson while Hillary did not
Hillary laughs when Mike Gravel challenges her vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npzN3dZR6JM
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 49:
Aw, come on xoites! Smart managers delegate, didn't you know? He 'delegated' his work to others who he knew could get the job done. Then he went to Skull & Bones meetings and played golf. Kinda the same thing he's done as prez - leave the job to others and go to the ranch to clear brush. Then show up on a carrier in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner in a flight suit.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 49:
guys like boosh pay surrogates and the faculty turn a blind eye. I went to school with fuckkks like boosh. four years of country club living. sometimes you wonder what classes they actually take. it's obvious there is little or no effort on their part. I am a witness to that.
Do you all remember Alberto Gonzales’s confirmation hearing when Biden said, “I like you, you’re the real deal”? I have no love for him since!
Gretchen @ 54:
chainey planned this fiasco with rove and delegated it as well. then they wrote the script and gave it to the shrub.
lafin gas @ 56:
ditto
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 57:
For sure. Bush isn't smart enough to come up with that on his own. Too bad Dick and Rove dropped the proverbial ball on that propagandafest.
Bush is a victim of affirmative action. The Good Old Boys affirmative action, that is. Without his daddy's money and connections, he'd be lucky to make it through a junior college.
OMG! What are we to do? This country has become a nation of appeasers. (sarc off)
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 57:
You ever wonder if Cheney, Rove, Addington and maybe Yoo are the actual "president" of the country?
Smart man. Would he make a good VP for Obama?
Everyone is rocking tonight! I have wondered many times about who is actually the president of your country. Whoever it is, they are (1) crazy, (2) evil, or (3) crazy and evil.
Number (3) gets my vote.
Oh please! Yes, I agree with Biden on this, but he has given in to Bush on too many issues, and has a bad case of "foot-in-mouth" disease to be VP. Leave him in the Senate in charge of a powerful committee and pick someone else as veep. Interesting choices (not sure I agree totally, though) are Rendell from PA, Strickland from OH, and Bayh from IN. Me, I'd altruistically pick Kucinich; he was my first choice for Prez.
I agree that Webb would make a great VP. Best guy for a VP is a straight talker who's able to get out there and thoroughly dispel the dirt. Webb is great at standing out there and saying, this is what really matters, and this is why our approach is the right one. Joe Biden is more valuable being able to show up on the weekend talkies saying "what they said was horse shit."
Oh, and Edwards for AG (until a SCOTUS position opens up), Gore for Sec/State, Max Cleland for Defense, and Cynthia McKinney for the 2nd SCOTUS opening, just to mind fuck the neocons.
Hillary for Senate Majority Leader (Reid is worthless) and kick Lieberman to the curb in all ways. Keith Ellison as spiritual advisor (see Cynthia McKinney above) and Ambassador to Israel. Patrick Fitzgerald as Special Prosecutor for War Crimes, starting with Bush and Cheney.
AndrewK @ 66:
Webb, on Beat the Meat with Timmeh, sounded pretty disinterested in the potential VP position. Of course, these things can change if he were actually asked to run...
George Stephenopoulus has gone goofy-soft in the brain. He used to be a pretty bright guy back when he was doing REAL WORK for Clinton. Now that he's become all MEDIA-TYPE, he's gotten stupid and lazy.
I love when Biden says "maybe Bush doesn't know what's going on in his own adminstration". Biden is probably right.
When you look up the word appeasement in the dictionary, you see JFK's picture next to the definition.
That's why he was killed. Just food for thought.
Gretchen @ 48:
I actually had someone try to throw Bush's "education" in my face one time when I was running down his failures, etc..
I laughed in this person's face, of course.
Real tough to get into Harvard or Yale. That's one of the reasons why those places exist. So sons and daughters of the well-connected can still go to college. No matter their gray matter. Same reason Chelsea went to Stanford.
Gates and Rice are complete monsters and its nice that people are finally getting hip to it. Go Joe!
OMFG, appeasers! I mean, complete fucking morons!
Even people who are languishing in jails under the Iranian's don't want America to invade the country, for one simple reason; no one trusts any foreign power, no matter how much it claims good intentions, when it seeks to intervene for "humanitarian reasons". And this is a point driven home by years of political gerrymandering in many countries after WWII. From our approval of French colonial possession of Indochina, to the propping up of various strongmen in South Korea, to interfering with the domestic politics of Japan, absolutely no one believes America when it says that its going in to save people from their own government. People saw the hypocrisy of the 1956 and 1968 crushing of Hungary and the Czech Republic by the Soviet Union, as Soviet tanks rolled in to save the "people's revolution" from the people themselves. But no one commented on the more subtle forms which America used to make sure that "Stability" was ensured in countries and regimes friendly to them.
So even people who absolutely detest and despise their respective governments, don't want "shock and awe" in their country.
F'in pwned.
Biden for Secretary of State.
George Bush was mentored by Karl Rove, and is nothing more than a political. Everything Bush says and does is calculated for political points. To suggest he's an opportunist is putting it not only mildly, but far too kindly. Bush is trying to do his part to save his beloved Party, the one he's also helped destroy in the past 7 years. In doing so, the GOP is going after the Jewish vote, since the conservative evangelicals pretty much turned their backs on them once they realized they were only being used. Besides which, the Christian conservatives have never been overly fond of McCain. So, the GOP is now targeting the Jewish community as the group that can most easily be manipulated by fear mongering tactics. The most important hot button issue with the Jews, both at home and abroad, is the Holocaust and Israel's security. This strategy is so disgusting and transparent, I'm surprised Jews aren't up and arms. I just hope enough of the them see what's going on here. The fact is, any prospective U.S. president will stand by Israel 100%. We always have and always will.
CoIntelPro against Repug DoucheBaggery @ 58:
Whether you like Biden or not has nothing to do with the fact that he is exactly right. Don't indirectly defend liar/hypocrite/buffoon Bush by slamming Biden. The Gonzales confirmation was an obvious mistake in judgment but Biden is one of this nation's authorities on foreign policy.
If anyone has seen Charlie Wilsons War, you'd realize, it was dialogue that was as much responsible for winning the cold war as it was the supplying of weaponry.
So, here's Gen. Wesley Clark (who was Clinton's negotiator in Bosnia) saying, WE NEED DIALOGUE WITH IRAN. Does this make sense? Sure does. But who is Clark running with? Hilary Clinton. An EXPERIENCED Gen. for VP. (just in case)...good idea? I think so!
Couple this with these Afghanie and Iraqi insurgents whose valour and toughness and "refuse to quit" attitude made it very tough on the Russians and Americans and this is what I compare Hilary Clinton too. Yes, the race is just about over...but she's fighting to the finish. She's fighting ALL fights.....even the won she couldn't win (like S. Carolina)...she showed up.
Here's (4 years away to be a good President) Obama, skipping out on some of the primaries that he couldn't win. Doesn't this tell you about attitude?
Dump on Bill Clinton all you want, but if you Americans will ever go beyond your own back yards and go to a place like Bosnia, you'll see a town square and main street named after him, that was totally unsolicited and done completely by the will and appreciation of the Bosnian people.
Obama is a fine man but he's not your strongest candidate...well maybe he is but only in the minds of those who refuse to do their own D&D and listen to all the talking heads. If you have listened to Ed Shultz, Stephanie Miller & Skanky Randi Rhodes for the past 3 months, there has been nothing to learn on those LWing talk shows. There was never 1 positive thing said about Clinton...and yet, she has over 1,500 delegates and won 5 major states. There are a lot of people NOT listening to LWing radio and blogs for their WISDOM.
Mike @ 11:
Hey...the only thing you'll get with 2 colons is....a lot of shit!
MountainMan23 @ 14:
It was Prescott Bush and the following line was a lament he didn't have more time to cut a few more deals....
You don't play poker via videophone and the wrong way to negotiate with leaders who both deny one Holocaust and threaten another is to ignore those leaders as if they don’t exist. We did that for a while with Hitler before our entrance into WWII, and that strategy turned out to be less than fine and dandy. Shame on Bush and his speechwriters for turning history on its head. Between the American GI’s and the European and Russian Jews who died, turning a blind eye and refusing to engage may have cost tens of millions of lives.
Any good poker player will vouch for the value of the “tell”, that tip-off that’s only perceivable in person. There are political equivalents to the eye twitch, the chip shuffle, the finger tap, and the sweaty brow.
So when Senator Obama says he’s willing to talk, perhaps in person, to leaders whose intransigence has not, and will not change by simply maintaining the cold shoulder status quo, why in the world is his declaration taken both out of context and solely to a negative place? Maybe he’s holding better cards than President Bush has, like, say, a high IQ and a sixth sense that’s both exceptional and pragmatic. Our best leaders, in their defining moments of crisis, called more than a few bluffs (think Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis) and won the pot.
President Obama, Secretary of State Biden and on January 21, 2009, America is back on track again and respected again :)
Now, why isn't this being talk about on MSM news network, for got they are not news network, that honor belong to the internet.
dmhlt @ 5:
amen!!!
It sounds to me like Stephanopolous didn't know that Gates and Condi both said we should sit down and talk with Iran??? Or is he merely playing the part of the useful idiot? Which is worse???
OH SNAP!
Double-standard pwnage du jour!
Fire Gates?
Fire Rice?
For being "appeasers"?
Hey, what the fuck - why not?
Whatever works.
Al Capone killed a lot of guys, but they busted HIS ass for tax evasion.
Does their judicial "Executive Cachet" survive their terms within said Executive Branch? Golly gee, I sure hope not. I want to see their faces in court when they stand trial for complicity in crimes against humanity ... wouldn't those pictures just make DANDY Xmas-cards? Wow - I'd have to reconsider my skepticism around the whole "Santa" thing.
I'm willing to call Iran "Evilstan" - for exactly as long as it takes to type up & deliver the letters of termination for those cretins.
Then I'll be too busy doing a happy little dance & laughing.
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