Vincent Bugliosi: Bush should be tried for murder
By SilentPatriot Wednesday May 21, 2008 2:20pm
Vincent Bugliosi, the American attorney best known for prosecuting Charlie Manson, is releasing a new book next week, titled The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, in which he argues that, well, the title kinda gives it away.
HuffPo has an exclusive excerpt:
If Bush, in fact, intentionally misled this nation into war, what is the proper punishment for him? Since many Americans routinely want criminal defendants to be executed for murdering only one person, if we weren't speaking of the president of the United States as the defendant here, to discuss anything less than the death penalty for someone responsible for over 100,000 deaths would on its face seem ludicrous.** But we are dealing with the president of the United States here.
On the other hand, the intensity of rage against Bush in America has been such (it never came remotely this close with Clinton because, at bottom, there was nothing of any real substance to have any serious rage against him for) that if I heard it once I heard it ten times that "someone should put a bullet in his head." That, fortunately, is just loose talk, and even more fortunately not the way we do things in America. In any event, if an American jury were to find Bush guilty of first degree murder, it would be up to them to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, one of their options being the imposition of the death penalty.
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He better pardon himself.
Wow, the world is suddenly becoming an interesting place. Given the current mood of the American people this might gain some traction.
Bugliosi for AG! :)
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
--Stalin
Nice title. I can hear rightwing heads esploding all over.
Yes! I've been dreaming about this more years.
why not!
Please, where do I sign up for Jury Duty.
Left&Left @ 6:
Sorry, I got too excited. I meant 'for many' years.
I'm not sure anyone here would actually know anything about this -- but is there any legal procedural issues that would keep the various Bush people from having charges brought against them after they are out of office?
Does leaving office on January 20, 2009 mean that if they make it till that time then they are less likely to be prosecuted -- or more likely?
Don't foget. If you order it from Amazon, you can have it gift wrapped.
Can we just bypass the trial?
How can they keep us safe from dem Mooslamofascists who are gonna knock our cities down if we don't leave them alone?
Murdering his syntaxes?
Man, that's man who really hates taxes.
Hopefully these charges would be put on him in Texas. Such sweet irony to be executed by his own hand. Could not Cheney be on the gallows with him for the same crimes?
Conservative promoted capital punishment laws are to be applied to us, the poor and middle class, not the conservative political elite. There are two Americas in the eyes of justice as well!
Cheney, Rove, and most of his crooked administration as well as his military generals needs to be tried as well.
I hope that we have adequate electrical power for the mass electrocutions!
The terrorist butcher should be handed over to the Irai people for trial and execution.
No Death penalty. Let him serve out his days in a tiny cell with Guido and Chuck ( whose son's quite possibly were killed in Iraq).
A prison term in which he can only exercise 1 hour per day ( that alone would kill him) and have to work in the laundry.
And the only book that he was allowed to read would be The Stranger -- until he could actually understand the meaning of it.
I would love to see him live. I would want him to have to make a public, world-wide apology for his war crimes... make him read them out loud like a kid in a classroom apologizing to hs class-mates. And make him PERSONALLY hand over the documentation reporting his donation of ALL personal assets, as well as all profits/net worth of the companies he owns, and their subsidiaries, back to the American people. I say cripple his entire spawn financially. I think, mthat may even be necessary if he were convicted of war crimes, right? somebody out there knows a lot better than I do, would he have to surrender all war profiteering gains? him and his buddies?
I would love to see all their companies become not-for-profit companies that take their profits to government-paid healthcare, or some shit. may not be feasible, but if it's possible, that's what I'd like to see. And make him watch every bit of it; in fact, make him lead the proceedings himself. Then make him fight, to the pain (Princess Bride reference), with his dear friend Rove... winner takes on Cheney. and then they get to keep what limbs they have left to ponder their evil actions for the rest of their jailed lives.
Trying el Busho small boots for murder is a nice start...
Followed by a trial for treason against the United States.
but really, Herr Chimpenfuhrer should be put on trial at the Hague.
For war crimes.
And crimes against humanity.
I'm against the death penalty. I think if convicted he gets a life sentence in Abu Graib.
Great! Not only is Bugliosi a good lawyer, but he's a great writer too. I loved his books on the 2000 election (The Betrayal of America) and on the Paula Jones case (No Island of Sanity). Thanks for posting this: I shall order the book.
Dear Mr. Bugliosi:
Your first premise is wrong. The judicial and legislative branches of the U.S. federal government have been merged into the executive branch.
P.S.: Don't worry about Karl Rove. He WON'T appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee. They haven't jailed or fined anyone thus far.
Underground Pirate @ 12:
No, we need a trial for the world to see, like with Saddam. Besides, to regain our moral standing in the world we need to show the world we hold these ruthless thugs to the same laws they would hold us to if we killed someone while trying to steal what they had.
Frog march Cheney into the court room first!
Billy Shears @ 10:
I'm not an expert by I believe the President can issue a self-pardon before leaving office. That would take care of things.
I'm against the death penalty in all cases. Having said that, life in prison is fine with me.
I have seen several cars with stickers on them that look like wanted posters. There is a full face and profile drawing of geo bush's face. At the top it says, Wanted for War Crimes, George W. Bush.
theWalrus @ 11:
We could send copies to Ann the Man, Sean-o, Bill O'Lielly, Michael Wiener, and a box of wrapped books to Murdock so he could make sure everybody else at FAUX News gets their own private copy.
Ruthless People @ 16:
Justice may not be blind, but she's cross-eyed.
Imagine the nightmares you or I would have if a book like that had been written about one of us. I can't even imagine how that would feel. I'm not sure I could live with myself.
mike @ 15:
Gurney not gallows.
I'd like to see him do his Karla Faye Tucker imitation now.
Yes. We should join the world court, ship him and the rest of the nixon legacy Neanderthal murdersto the Haig, put them in front of a world court and try them for Crimes Against Humanity. If we do not deal with this festering pustule, these 18th century, reptilian-minded, chicken-hawk, men-children will want to play war again sometime in coming years. The will rear their heads once againgThis cast of characters would include however not limited to:
Cheney
Bush
Negroponte (including his death squad activities in C.America in the 80's)
Rumsfeld
Rice
Tenant
Wolfowitz
Perle
Feith
Cambone
Abram N. Shulsky
William Luti
Mary Matlin (throw her crusty sleeping with the enemy husband in there as well)
Lewis Scooter Libby
My african gray parrot, Molly, weighs in on Bush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqOsux0eXsA
pissed off patricia @ 30:
If boosh were normal and could feel guilty he would kill himself.
pissed off patricia @ 30:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAnayUpbJYs
piano wire ala mussolini
pissed off patricia @ 30:
Which is probably why (aside from your own nature) you haven't DONE any of those things. Too bad George can. :-(
"f an American jury were to find Bush guilty of first degree murder, it would be up to them to decide what the appropriate punishment should be"
How about strapping him to a daisy-cutter bomb, and dropping him on the RNC convention? After all, since GWB IS guilty of murder and so much worse, everybody who ASSISTED him is guilty of (at the very least) Aiding and Abetting if not outright Conspiracy to Commit.
Wait a minute...that won't work. Spraying GWB over the countryside would be toxic pollution on an unimaginable scale.
How about instead we just encase him in concrete and put him up as a new statue in Baghdad, with the inscription "commemorating a worthless pile of shit"?
But if the death penalty is not your thing, we can get into some SERIOUS punishment for his crimes! Strip him naked and cover him in the branded names of everybody he has killed (in all countries), then make him sit in an open-air cage in the main square of Baghdad, apologizing (on international streaming video) to anybody who comes near the cage. Put it on a pay-per-view system for 1 Euro an hour (since he ruined the dollar), and we could pay off the debts he has caused us to accrue in a year! It would also serve as a great object lesson to future fascist corporate assholes...er...I mean fundanazis...er...I mean republicans.
Bugliosi's premise is absurd on its face, because Bush did not single-handedly take the country to war.
Anyone who is capable of an objective analysis of history knows that there was a long-running march to the 2003 Iraq invasion. As a point of reference consider all the saber-rattling coming out of the US Congress since Desert Storm, coming from both Democrats and Republicans alike. The neocons tapped into what was already there and merely applied just enough momentum to take it over the top.
Bugliosi is an experienced and rather successful prosecutor who thinks, speaks and writes like a lawyer. Unless "peaceful easy feeling" has equivalent credentials, I think he/she is ill advised to weigh in with a statement like "Bugliosi's premise is absurd on its face...".
Besides, we all know on whose desk the buck stops, right? Yes, the Commander-In-Chief, none other than. And though it's certainly true that GWB had lots of help in getting this nation to invade a country that posed no credible threat whatsoever to the U.S., he was the only one whose word on the matter was final. He alone had it in his power to say aye or nay and make it stick.
And, for the record, since few here seem to have read the book, Buliosi's case involves a charge by an appropriate authority against Bush specifically---though he's also got Cheney, Rice and Rove in his sights---for the murder of one or more of the American service men/women who have died in this completely discretionary war. His preference would be that charges be brought by the United States Attorney-General, but he identifies as jurisdictions with standing the AGs of any of the 50 states, and even local district attorneys, provided that at least one American citizen/service person from that jurisdiction lost his or her life in this war.
Bugliosi says that there is no legal recourse for charging Bush or any member of the Administration in the needless deaths of any of the tens of thousands of Iraqis who've also perished in this almost flippantly undertaken misadventure. Also, as the U.S. is NOT a signatory to the document establishing the World Court at The Hague, that court has no jurisdiction over any American citizen or official. And he says he cannot envision the U.S. ever handing over a former President to another country--say, Iraq---to be tried for war crimes.
Fnally, I could be wrong, but I don't believe Bush could actually pardon himself. Were that possible, I doubt Nixon would've counted on Gerry Ford to pardon him back in, I believe, 1974. However, Bush could pardon everyone else, and then himself be pardoned by President McCain or President Obama on the pretext, perhaps, of "putting all this behind us and making a fresh start". That, unfortunately, would write finis to any attempt at legal remedy for the huge crimes of this wretched man and his accomplices.
36 stizz
D'ja hear the one about the 12 inch pianist?
Kathy @ 33:
Is that really your parrot? I got the george bush part but couldn't understand what she said after that.
ysbaddaden @ 35:
Yeah, like that.
Losing a war alone ought to be grounds for execution, but starting one on false premises is even worse. In general I don't believe in the death penalty but when it comes to corrupt officials making decisions that willfully destroy the lives of thousands of people -- a firing squad or guillotine sounds like a damn good idea to me.
Stick him in a cell with his long lost twin, Charlie Manson.
On the other hand, the intensity of rage against Bush in America has been such that if I heard it once I heard it ten times that “someone should put a bullet in his head.”
I find it offensive and disgusting for someone to suggest that Dick Cheney become our next president.
Some things will happen when Bush and his cronies are tried and convicted:
1. The world will be absolutely elated.
2. US' image around the world will be dramatically improved.
3. The Bush Liebrary will really be an interesting place when built, heh.
Murder
Treason
Torture
War Crimes
And possibly all of these.
If Bush were found guilty by a jury obviously I would support any sentence they hand down but I would prefer to see the death penalty. The way I see it, Bush is no different than any other mass murderer and should receive a sentence comparable to those of any other murder this country has put away.
forget murder . . . treason. plain, simple and to the point. and the penalty is pretty clear.
po @ 49:
Agreed.
Strangefate @ 43:
Nah, death is too quick, painless and does not endure.
I say put him in a Baghdad jail for the rest of his life and let the Iraqi's take care of him.
Wise_Fool @ 20:
I'd like to see them jailed with one condition for release: they memorize the names and faces of all 4000+ US troops killed in Iraq.
Yes, I'll be reading the book; and yes, I have no problem with bringing anyone up on murder charges if there is sufficient evidence to support prosecution in a court of law. Bring it on!
43 Strangefate
Losing a war alone should not be the basis for prosecution, but he did break the two caveats in the Congressional AUMF, disregarded contrary news by David Kay, Joe Wilson, and the English and the German governments. The fact that our historical allies refused to go along, with some exceptions, should've been a clue.
as evidenced by several comments in this thread, even the left gets blood thirsty when fascists are involved. We have to remember that while entertaining some of the more cruel and unusual of punishments may be fun for the moment, we mustn't sink so low that our arguments against their blood thirst lose any moral standing.
Try them for war crimes and then when they are found guilty punish them appropriately. If the end of a rope turns out to be appropriate then so be it.
If nothing else, can we sue him for damages?
A correction to something I said ealier concerning self-pardons. The Supreme Court has yet to rule on this, but Bush may give it an opportunity to do just that.
Arguments based on the structure of the Constitution, the intent of the Framers and Supreme Court precedent suggest that the President cannot pardon himself. Some commentators have assumed self-pardon was an option because the relevant clause does not preclude such action. Self-pardon would, however, be inconsistent with proscriptions against self-dealing that are enunciated in the Constitution. The President would be above the law if allowed to self-pardon.
Joe O. @ 48:
But that would deny the victims the chance to see him suffer for a looooooong time until he rots in prison. I want my grandchildren to have the ability to see that justice can be done without having to kill.
That, fortunately, is just loose talk,
You mean, 'unfortunately'.
and even more fortunately not the way we do things in America.
Since when?
pissed off patricia @ 56:
Because his lawyer/lobbyist buddies need more cash.
Well if you do it before "Bush's War" then you can try him for murder.
But after the war, when we take over the US and force it to stop it's genocidal ways, we will be having an International Trail like we did with the Nazi's.
I mean, they are the same, and from the same families....
Strangefate @ 43:
You know, I seriously consider the boundaries of my personal ethics on that one, too. If it is a normal human who has done depraved things, I generally would avoid killing him, just to keep killing out of the general discourse of human events... But for someone who has caused so much death by his Will and design, by forcing the hands of others who served the country under him to be his murderers, who has now cost so many people so much, and will continue to cost us for paying for all the physical, psychological, medical, social, environmental, and political damage he has unleashed upon the world... I have a hard time justifying not killing him.
I mean, Saddam was a ruthless killer, a murdering bastard, we know that. But Bush's family and political supporters funded and aided Saddam in the past, to do exactly what Saddam did... and then he had the man Hung in his own country, in public, televised. To strike terror into the hearts of the politicians of power, and their citizens, should they do anything less than follow him, the Head of the Dragon... the Head of the United States. What will the final outcome be of the world view of the US because of him? I'm not necessarily all about U.S. hegemony over the world. but wielded properly, the US's influence was a site better than many other dictatorships wielding the same power. Who will trust us enough anymore to be the superpower once more? And since he destroyed our credibility by use of overt violence, who is to say that the next world superpower won't openly use it either? For that alone, I would consider killing him... but I think again, that some fates can be worse than death.
I despise Bush, but it is very easy to point the finger at him and his ilk and I'm sure we would all feel great making him the scapegoat. The truth is we are all to blame. The administration, the "opposition" party, the media, the public. We are all to blame. It is easier focusing on one person as the cause, though, then it is taking responsibility for what has been happening in our country.
A trial cannot be held in the US for him because the entire country has been laden with Right Wing Authoritarian Fascists. There is no way they will let him be tried fairly.
And international criminal court with an international mandate to review the crimes of US and Israel for the last 60 years is in order.
pissed off patricia @ 56:
As rich as the Bush family is, I dont think they have 2+ trillion dollars.
pissed off pat @41:
Molly says "George Bush: Dumb Ass."
I've never heard a bird be such a master of understatement....
Do it the old English way,hanged, drawn and quartered.
Like others, I have found Bugliosi's books amazing in their detail and well thought out analysis. My personal favourite was "Till Death Do Us Part" but that murder was small in comparison.
This will be a must read!
po @ 49:
I would say it's closer to sedition. However, in either case treason or sedition it's usually citizens conspiring against the government, not branches of the government against other branches. They usually have form of official immunity when they are acting within the interests of their office. We would have to prove that they were acting within their job, but in their own interests and not that of their position.
There's a legal term for it, but it's like if a delivery truck injures another car driver, but in an area that wasn't part of the route, but a deviation, because the driver wanted to grab a quickie with their girlfriend, than the other driver can't sue the delivery company, but instead only the delivery man, unless of course the delivery man had a history of such actions while within the employ of the company.
stizz @ 55:
I agree. No matter how bloody the killer or traitor was, they have always received a trial and appropriate sentencing in the United States. That is, at least most of the time. Bush and his cronies should be no different. If they are found guilty I see no point in stooping to their level and subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishments as they have done to others. If the sentence is death then it should be carried out in the same methods that are already authorized in the United States (I.E. lethal injection, etc.)
If the likes of JFK, RFK, MLK, etc were taken out of US society by a bullet-where's the justice now?
100,000 deaths????? civilians???? military???? Gee, thats approx. 40 a day!!!!! Don't remember the media passing that along (and you know goddamned well that they would if they thought it would hurt the war effort. Hmmmmm
Krackonis @ 61:
redestructionist @ 63:
Calling Bush a scapegoat is bullshit. We are NOT all to blame. You are an idiot to accuse everyone for what he has done.
redestructionist @ 63:
No, I am not to blame. I didn't vote for bush and I didn't support this war, even before it began. I refuse to be blamed for deaths of others and I won't be.
I want to be on the jury. (I can be fair and impartial.)
redestructionist @ 63:
We all share a responsibility to fix the wrongs we allowed to occur by subjugating our Will... but it is not necessarily a crime-of-blame to be misled either.
Politicians are smooth chess players who know how to control the masses by use of the tools we created for them. It's not so easy to fixate blame on people when they've been sedated by their doctors, lied to by their leaders, pacified by their mind-numbing TV's, and given the illusion that they have not surrendered the one power they have... to give consent. When you stack it up, the lay person had a very damning set of odds. Although, there's something to be said for having more fortitude than We the People have shown of late.
redestructionist @ 63:
In law, they look for the one(s) who initiated the offense or accident, not those simply caught up in it.
kit wilson @ 71:
Please don't say things like that. I understand your anger but please don't suggest that sort of thing.
Rico @ 26:
But can he self-pardon for charges that have not yet been brought?
"I, Chimp, hereby pardon myself for any and all future charges brought against me for any offense at all."
What a deal for him, huh?
Oh Sure! Go ahead and steal the story plot I've been pushing for 5 years! All it is is actually enforcing the laws that all the rest of us have lived under our entire lives. Is it really so hard to hold mass murdering wealthy elites like the bush and cheney crime families to the same standards?
The way I see it the trial and imprisonment of bush and the rest of the criminal cabal is the only thing that can save this nation.
What is missing is from this post is Bugliosi's video explaining why he wrote the book
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRlJk1qhWVw
I found it under FindLaw, but the phrase I was looking for is Deviation From Work.
Additionally, there's always the possibility of such charges as abuse of authority, conspiracy if more than one official is involved before--during--after the fact, retaliation, reckless endagerment, criminal liable incompetence etc.
Robin @ 81:
kick ass! that adds it up nicely, thx Robin
Life in prison in a Super Max prison.
He should be in jail for war crimes, but lets not forget to look at the democrats. Clinton's sanctions murdered 1,500,000 Iraqi civilians(just one of Clinton's many genocides). Clinton,Gore,Bush, and Cheney should be swinging from the same gallows Saddam did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNLxSleuec
Krackonis @ 64:
What the hell did Israel do? Besides just trying to exist while a surrounding horde of rudderless terrorist nations have constantly tried to destroy it. Israel is not trying to expand its borders; it's just trying to exist. The case against Israel is anti-semitism, plain and simple. It's been the case for thousands of years, and it still is the case.
I agree with everything else here regarding US foreign policy and Bush's treasonous, muderous crimes, but when my fellow liberals turn on Israel, it really irritates me.
JoshA @ 3:
I like the way you think!
Robin @ 81:
That is a seriously fine video. The Dems could use clips of that jewel with McCain saying he's going to keep on keepin' on and make a seriously kick ass election commercial to air all over the freakin' country. Bring it on!!
Try him. Convict him. Put him in a cell with a guy named Bubba and let him have his way. Then George will truly become the little bitch he is.
Guess I ain't the only one who thinks that.... I'd say the prosecution of Bush/Cheney et al is starting to get popular when books about it start showing up on bookstore shelves... I share most of the other posters sentiments on this... either a hole in the ground or a chain gang.... It's the only way we have a chance of gaining back even a small bit of our national pride and credibility as a nation in this world... Bush has pissed away very nearly every little thing that was even remotely good about us in the eyes of the rest of the world these last eight years and that's a crime right there though it doesn't exist in any legal tome...
I don't generally favor the death penalty but I get why it exists in this nation and truth be told if anyone deserves that kind of fate it is these two cretins.... (Bush and Cheney) If the death penalty has any real deterant value, I don't see it happening. On the other hand, it exists in our society and if I had to argue the other side of the question? For the most part my argument in favor would more or less go along the lines, that people like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and the kinds of acts they have purpetrated while holding power constitutes the best argument in favor of the having a death penalty on the books.
... As a 'deterrent', it's a joke really, it hasn't really stopped anyone from doing anything heinous, but as a simple punishment for insanely serious crimes against people and nature and as object lesson for any others thinking of trying the same, it has a value in that it lets everyone up front know that if they fuck up enough and hurt and/or kill enough people or endanger the whole freaking planet thru their selfishness and greed, they won't be able to paper it over forever, and there will be a rightous retribution brought to their doorstep sooner or later! IF that can be construed over time to become a deterrent fine.. But it seems the only real use for the DP is as retribution after the fact, unfortunately. Be that as it may, I think we have a quantifiable situation here that supports its use in this case...
Personally, I'd be happy enough to see them stripped of their wealth, put in solitary confinement, and made to do hard labor chipping rocks in Leavenworth for the rest of their miserable rotton lives, advanced ages be damned.... but in actual fact, the most probable sequence that would satisfy all conditions and the majorities (minus the 28% certifiably brain damaged at this point) feelings about what they did? That sequence would go something like this...
1. Impeachment proceedings initiated immmediately and carried thru to its logical conclusion regardless of the time and energy it takes.
2. After being stripped of power Bush/Cheney and all major principles of this disgusting administration are tried in U.S. courts for treason against the United States and the constitution.
3. After conviction the penalties are temporarily set aside and the purps, (all the purps) are rendered to the Hague for trials on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
4. After conviction in an international court, which ever punishment (U.S. or international) is more severe should be meted out to these people as an object lesson noone will easily forget. Hanging? Electrocution? Firing squad? Bullet to the back of the head in a windowless room? Imprisonment at hard labor with solitary confinement for life? Any of these sounds fine to me....
Of course someone has to be willing to 'set a table' before any of this shit has the slightest possibility of getting off square one.... Or put another way, the legislative branch of the United States government has to stop being spineless excuse making appeasers and find some fucking guts first!!!! Don't hold yer breath on that one folks......I got no faith anything is going to happen other than these motherfuckers are just going to waltz away next feb. leaving a total clusterfucked up mess for the rest of us to deal with... Nancy? Harry? congress? Prove me wrong goddammit! I fucking dare you!!!! JD
JerryO @ 89:
You want to put boosh in a prison cell with Bill Clinton?
dubya will need to borrow Monica's knee pads.
Dream on, kids. As potentially cathartic as this may feel, it ain't happening.
Did you REALLY think they might not get away with it?
If so, you are hopelessly naive.
Gary @ 65:
Why would you think they'd use their own cash? They'll just steal what they need.
Hopelessly naive.
if an American jury were to find Bush guilty of first degree murder, it would be up to them to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, one of their options being the imposition of the death penalty
life @ gitmo is too good for him (and others), but i would want no more (and certainly, not less) for his (and their) crimes against this country and humanity
Hi Patricia, this is Kathy with the parrot Molly.
Yes that's my parrot. She says "George Bush is a dumb ass". We're working on "Dick Cheney is Satan" but nothing yet. It takes her about two weeks to learn a phrase, if she choses to learn it.
dewey_m @ 32:
Let's add the 75 Senators who voted to authorize the war under the War Powers Act to the list, too, eh? Even Bush didn't create this alone..
Kathy @ 96:
Sounds like Polly wants a cracker republican.
Gary Wright @ 94:
Would be at all surprised if that's not what Marie Antoinette had to say. Who'd of thought she'd get a complimentary hair styling from the neck up?
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What comes to mind is this scenario:
Bush is thrown off a sharp cliff, but on the way down he is saved by strategic ledges in the "justice system" in this country.
When Obama becomes president one of the first things he ought make right is to rejoin the international courts and throw Bush accountable into THAT feeding frenzy that's sure to await him.
Gwpinhead has too many who'd lick his buttcrust and call it belgian chocolate.
Envision a fate similar or same as Sadam's.
Ever ask yourself why we continue to expect a fundamentally corrupt and failing legal system to provide justice?
Isn't it sort of like complaining about Bush, when we know he doesn't give a damn about what we think?
Haven't we long past argument, debate, reason and even evidence?
I think the truth is that the rule of law is not coming to save us.
I'm against the death penalty but in his case i'll make an exemption. He did after all execute 152 prisoners including retarded people.and never pardoned any of them.
Ha! Yet another Bugliosi screed that I don't have to read along with the rest of the world.
Bush and crew are the most bloody handed serial mass-murderers in American history and also the World's most bloody handed serial mass-murderers of the 21st Century. The only fitting venue for their trials is either at the UN or at the ICC at the Hague.
They are monsters.
jones @ 104:
Yeah, funny, kind of like that screed they call The Bible, that everyone seems to own, but never get around to reading.
BTW, in the past, we have dealt justice to our own homegrown war criminals...right on our own National Mall in DC. To wit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Execution_of_Henry_Wirz.jpg
Following conviction at a fair and impartial war crime conducted by comptetent authority, the same justice should also be good enough for all of the convicted war criminals of the Bush regime.
ysbaddaden @ 106:
Which is too bad. How else are Fundies to get their porn? Yes, folks, there's a whole book of porn in the Bible.
Google Henry Wirz, another American war criminal. There are pictures on Wikpedia of the justice that was visited upon his person.
A bullet in the head would be too quick and painless. Bush deserves to be drawn and quartered, after being subjected to every form of torture that he has inflicted on those imprisoned at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. Too bad international criminal courts aren't inclined to mete out that kind of justice.
But if the man has any conscience at all, then having to live with it would be at least some kind of punishment.
mike @ 15:
On Democracy Now! a few days ago, Gore Vidal made the observation that Cheney should be put in front of a firing squad. Perhaps it is more than a coincidence that the United States is one of the very few countries that have not joined the International Criminal Court. Apparently it is a novel idea to think that the rules which are relevant to the rest of the world should also be applicable to the United States. Or can it be that the United States believes that the rule of law does not apply to its rulers and leaders?
Word Press is acting strangely at the moment. Either that or comments are being vetted before being displayed. Since my comment 107 finally made it, ignore my comment 109.
Paul @ 109:
They shouldn't have just hung Wirz, they should have hung Forrest! Bastard massacred an entire fort of black troops!
Scott in Chicago Says:
Do it the old English way,hanged, drawn and quartered...
With his bowels taken thence, and his body burned to ashes and with those ashes scattered to the four wind of heaven so that there shall not remain
name, trace nor remembrence, forever.
Bush did not think up 9/11 or going into Iraq. He was a cheerleader, a follower, the cod-piece president, heh heh. Waterboarding him at Gitmo, or wherever they do it so it does not "break" any laws, to get evidence on who was involved really would finally provide a realistic and justifiable reason for "enhanced interrogation techniques" rather than that stupid, zero-likelihood, ticking time bomb near the daycare center scenario. He'd need massive protection to prevent them from killing him before he talks.
Put them all in jail and then hold world referenda to solicit views of just punishment. Then, hold a paper ballot vote to determine the method for each elected official. Hanging W on the site of his freshly completed library, with a permanent gallows, used of course, to remind all future presidents of what happens if they thwart their oath to we the people would be so so sweet. Whatever fate has in store for these guys, it has to have a huge satisfying dose of poetic justice.
General_Rennenkampf @ 113:
Point well taken!
EXCELLENT! - pressure is building.
Let's hope McBush continues to tie himself to the Bush policies.
If this got some traction in the media (which it won't) - it might help prevent Neo-Con wet-dream of bombing raids on Iran.
Any chance we can throw a few others on the pile? you know, LIE-berman, "Bloody" Kristol, Fife, Cheney, Ailes? Just to name a very few.
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John Q. Public @ 110:
Bush and his crew are composed entirely of sociopath/borderline psychopaths and full out psychopaths, which means that they have either suppressed conscience to the point of effectively not having one or never developed one in the first place. Mostly they would just sit around feeling as if nobody in the history of humanity had ever endured such injustices as themselves or they would spend their years stewing in rage. Contemplation, a most unlikely outcome, would yield no positve effects upon their being.
responsible for over 100,000 deaths
Sigh! That is very narrow minded and racist to only count American deaths. There are the 4,080 American soldiers that the administration admits to plus the 120,000 who have committed suicide. I would also count the 3,000 who died in the Twin Towers black flag operation and another 1,500 who he murdered in New Orleans. A couple hundred more Americans died in Afghanistan, but 100,000 is a good round number. But, it is shameful that Bugliosi doesn't count the 600,000 to 1.3 million Iraqi who Bush murdered or a couple hundred thousand Afghani also butchered by Bush.
In fact, seems really silly to call Hussain the Butcher of Baghdad when we all know who is the real Butcher of Baghdad. Frankly, Bush turns my stomach more than the 10 to 20 million Hitler murdered since Hitler was German and to my deep, deep shame the Vampire-in-Chief is ostensibly American, though I believe his true citizenship is Hell and his allegiance and beloved master is Satan.
Vicki @ 119:
Well, don't state Bush is unique in American history. We still haven't tried to fix the aftermath of the Indian Wars, for instance. There's a lot of blood on American hands, not just Iraqi, but from North America and other continents as well.
A bullet in the head would be too quick and painless. Bush deserves to be drawn and quartered,
Sigh! I have an overactive imagination which I dare not talk about here, but I can think of far more brutal savage punishments for this man ... crucifixion, staked out on an ant nest, the rack, cat-o-nine tails and those are some of the ones that civilized people have practiced. My imagination goes far beyond that as Bush deserves far, far, far worse.
Vicki @ 121:
An eye for an eye, eh?
Instead, Bush will finish his term, go on to make mega-millions in pay-back from his oil buddies, collect his pension & privileges as our former president.
A good example for the next crook to follow.
Vicki @ 119:
Vicki
Your point concerning Bugliosi ignoring the over 1 million Iraqis who have died since the United States illegally invaded their country is certainly well taken. If it is true that Bugliosi does not make any mention of those Iraqis who have perished since the invasion, then it would seem to reinforce the notion that so many Americans have little concern about deaths that happen overseas, even if those casualties occurred as a direct result of the United States invading their country.
The illegal invasion of Iraq constitutes war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against humanity and, as a consequence, as I mentioned at comment #111, the leaders of the United States should be tried in the International Criminal Court at the Hague. The reason that the invasion is illegal is because the United States has violated Article VI of the U.S. Constitution, The Hague Convention on Land Warfare of 1899, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of Dec. 9, 1948, adopted by Resolution 260 [III] A of the UN General Assembly, the Geneva Convention, The Charter of the United Nations, and the Nuremberg Principles, which defines the term crime against peace. The Nuremberg Principles also states that soldiers have an obligation NOT to follow the orders of leaders who are preparing crimes against peace and crimes against humanity.
It is instructive to recall the words of U.S. Chief Prosecutor Robert K. Jackson, who stated in 1948: "The very essence of the [Nuremberg] Charter is that individuals have intentional duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience imposed by the individual state." An opinion at the Tokyo War Crimes trial stated that" [A]nyone with knowledge of illegal activity and an opportunity to do something about it is a potential criminal under international law unless the person takes affirmative measures to prevent commission of the crimes."
Him paying for any of his crimes is just a dream.
Scy @ 100:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-GN-BP_Qlk
indeed!
Prosecuting Dumbya and changing some of our middle east policies - i.e., throwing out the Neo-cons -- MIGHT help slow down the driving need by those we have violated, to annihilate us.
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hmmm.. what do they do to mass murders in Texas....
hmmm....
I volunteer to be the executioner of this drunken, illiterate criminal.
Toi Su @ 18:
Actually, I see some justice in this. Didn't WE try Saddam Hussein?
Here's a vote for Tarring and feathering the guy -- AND all his neo-con buddies. Something the whole world will never forget. After all - didn't virtually all Americans overlook the fact that Dumbya's grandfather was tried and convicted for war crimes against his own country?
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theWalrus @ 5:
Ah yes, a sound I love to hear in the morning... reminds me of peace!!
playitaliangames.com @ 1:
Have never read Bublioso, but will surely read him this time around. Wow, can't wait to get my hands on this book --will shout it from the rooftops!
Won't it be interesting when the day arrives we find Bush hiding underground, capture him, try him, and hang him! Remind you of anyone?
I predict Bush and some of his cohorts will be killed by U.S. Marines
when they raid the Bush compound in Paraguay in a few years,
after Dubya has been declared a War Criminal and outlaw by The World.
Or, he may take poison just as the troops are overrunning his compound.
Either way,
Dubya will not be taken alive.
I'd love to see a trial,
but it'll never happen.
pissed off patricia @ 78:
I'd like to suggest something, though. It's pretty obvious that Rethugs (or Right-wings) are responsible for all previous assassinations when you observe that this 'most hated administration ever' is still alive and kicking our butts.
If only a presidential candidate would promise the voters that, if elected, they will prosecute the Bush administration. That would be justice.
If you're going to shoot him and his felonious compatriots, I sure hope it's shown live on Fox News as they'll eat anything.
This should be a huge book release. The man who wrote Helter-Skelter - the most popular true-crime story of all time, a famous prosecutor, writes about something so controversial as trying the president of the US for murder. It should be a sensation. Every will have an opinion. The press will be all over it...or not.
In reality, the media will do it's very best to ignore this book.
First they will quietly pan it. "The premise is unrealistic", "The author recklessly suggests opening a Pandora's box which will erode the integrity of nation and presidency" That sort of thing. They will fact check it rigorously, bringing in partisan experts to disagree with conclusions, and they will find an error or pretend that a difference of opinion voiced by a partisan critic represents a factual error.
Then they will pretend it was never written. End of story.
"Not the way we do things in America"?
Hmm. Perhaps Mr. Bugliosi should tell that to the families of John and Robert Kennedy, the Rev. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and every other leader on the left who has been murdered by the forces of hate in this country for the past 40+ years.
The United States is a veritable petri dish of violence. And while I don't endorse the use of assassination or the death penalty for political purposes (in fact, hardly ever for any reason), the facts in our history show that many, especially on the right, do.
I think his entire administration should be charged....and I would love to serve on that Jury....
Bugliosi, of course. Sorry about that.
And, may I add, finding America's answer to Saddam under a Bush will be minor to finding Cheney in an underground bunker. And if I were him, I'd go into hiding starting now. He's at least as much murderer as his mentoree, Bush, and should be hung several times over.
Vincent Bugliosi is the guy who put Charlie Manson on Death Row (sentence later commuted to life in prison), so he has some experience dealing with psychotic mass murderers. I say let him prosecute the Bush Regime.
Paul @ 105:
Your words waft like a heavy scent of honeysuckle on a warm summer night, mon ami`.
That's very kind. Murder is a lesser crime than genocide, or crimes against humanity. I was hoping the international courts would get a poke at the worthess fuck before US courts let him go for being white and rich.
Erroll @ 111:
I thought that we had joined the ICC, but Bush withdrew the US in May of 2002 if memory serves me correctly?
R. J. Ames @ 138:
Ha!Ha!Ha! Similar to what we've envisioned happening to Colonel Sanders. How about a million times over.
I think everyone seems to be forgetting the fact that Bush has set himself up to instill martial law at any time he deems necessary to do so.
If he even thinks that someone may come after him for any crime which he committed, we will all be seriously screwed.
nikto @ 132:
Delicious alternative! What you said actually gave me a thrill of excitement, genuine joy and cracklingly explosive visual imagery. Much more gratifying in fact than a trial.
Well, if he goes on trial, and if he is condemned, and if he's mistermacho, he'll DEMAND a firing square. And if so, I will cheerfully send a check to the feds for the cost of the ammunition.
Joe O. @ 70:
Maybe the next president will classify Bush and Cheney as "illegal combatants," and just lock them up indefinitely, without due process. See what the little SOB thinks of an imperial presidency then!
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