Jon Soltz of VoteVets Guest blogs for C&L: Hitting a Nerve on the new GI Bill
By John Amato Thursday May 22, 2008 6:00pm
(I'd like to welcome Jon Soltz to the pages of C&L---John Amato)
It's great to be guest blogging here at C&L, one of the blogs I check every day. Yesterday, the Senate passed the Webb-Hagel GI Bill with an overwhelming majority, which was no small feat. VoteVets.org had been in overdrive to support this bill, getting members to write over 16,000 letters to the Senate, over 1000 letters to the editor, and gathering over 30,000 signatures on a petition in support of the bill.
Oh yeah, and we ran these ads.
I think we hit a nerve. Senator Lindsey Graham went ballistic in a press conference, calling it "a stupid ad," while Senator John Cornyn on the floor of the Senate twice called the ad "phony." His spokesperson oddly maintained that we veterans were using ourselves as a political football.
Oh, speaking of football, John McCain skipped the vote on the bill. He was out in California raising money at events held by Alex Spanos, the owner of the Chargers. I love money and football as much as the next guy, but sometimes you need to have your priorities right in life. So, I'd put education benefits for troops ahead of raising cash and talking about the benefits of the 4-3 defense over the 3-4.
Anyway, back to the action on the Hill; if Senators opposed to the bill were a nuclear power plant, they had a meltdown. A complete meltdown.
Honestly, though, I can see why. How do you go back to your constituents and tell them that you're not going to back a bill that simply keeps the old GI Bill of Rights current with the cost of education? How do you tell them that it's too generous to give our troops full education benefits, and you only will give them a fraction? The short answer is that you don't.
That was what these Senators hoped to avoid, when they signed on to the watered down bill crafted by Senator McCain. What they didn't count on is that we'd expose their sham bill right at the starting gate.
Now, the bill has one final vote to pass in the House, and then it will go to the President, who has voiced opposition to the bill. I expect him to veto it, probably citing the other spending included in the bill. And then it will go back to Congress, where both Houses have passed the GI Bill with a veto-proof majority.
Once again, it will be up to us to set the stage for the debate, before the President's allies in Congress do. They'll try to blur lines, conflate arguments, and anything else they can do, to create an opening for Members to uphold the veto. We cannot let that happen. VoteVets.org will be right there, as active as ever.
I hope we can count on all of you to join us. Together, we can show who really supports our troops
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Congrats on the overwhelming majority Jon, and good luck after the veto. The arguments against the bill are so thinly veiled, it would be laughable if it weren't so disgusting.
Nice work Jon ... forgive my short comment, but it's 6 AM here and I only got 4 hrs last nite. (broken aircon)
It's good that Graham and Cornyn got pissed, maybe now they will pay attention. And Lindsey, if you get in here, isn't your term up this year? Lots of people are moving to your state from the north now, don't be surprised if you lose your seat.
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Honestly, 22 Senators and one Presidential candidate feel that the troops aren't dying and being maimed well enough to actually be considered for better pay for having put their lives on the line for these 22 Senators and one Presidential candidate. The troops are fighting a war and maintaining an occupation that these sycophants endorsed, supported and cheered and these 22 Senators and one Presidential candidate won't give them a pay hike?
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Just like I said on the other G.I. bill thread, let all us vets, active or not keep track and remember who was honestly for this and who was trying to stab us in the back... And vote accordingly! It's too late for it to matter to me personally, but I'd damn well like to see a ligitimate G.I. bill again for my sons generation to have available after they risk their lives in service to this nation... The package that existed when I went thru the mill in the early 80s, was a joke....a bad joke. If not for organizations like swords to plowshears, I would never have managed to get any schooling at a rational cost.......JD
Welcome. Excellent first post. I'm sorry these guys are kicking up a fuss about helping veterans out. I wonder why these 22 and Bush hate our troops:
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Mr. (capt?) Soltz I helped create the wikipedia article on you.
You're an amazing guy.
I've got a question.
Do you think either Bob Kerry or Chris Dodd would make a good VP for Obama?
Jon I want to sincerely thank you and VoteVets for all the hard work you have done and do, to keep the truth about the treatment of the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans and soldiers in the forefront of the public debate and our collective consciousness. God bless you in your fight to get fair and just treatment and benefits for our military personnel and their families.
Hi Jon...thanks for posting here. When will Americans wake up to the fact that this administration has used this "war" and our troops as a political club to further their agenda? I cannot believe that John McCain would play politics with a bill that rewards our enlisted soldiers with educational benefits to better themselves. We've got billions to throw away to corrupt, war profiteering corporations, burt we can't recognize and reward those who have put their lives on the line for their country? I am disgusted with the Republican Party and I hope people understand how little they really care about the people who are most impacted by this war.
Embittered-Max-Hussein-1 @ 4:
They can OK funds for Blackwater and the other mercenaries, but they can't offer more benefits to the troops. These guys have got to go.
mcOLD had other priorities - raising the dough. But I'll lay odds he will spin his non-vote into "I didn't vote against it."
Congrats Jon. Great work by VoteVets.
great job, Jon.
It is very sad and telling that 'fellow soldiers' Lindsey and McCain would be against 'supporting our troops'.
Keep up the good work!
I'm in Jon! My husband was in the Navy and benefited from the old GI bill back during the time when we had to run from dinosaurs to get to school, he's in with you too!
Did Senator Clinton vote yes yesterday? I know Senator McCain could not be bothered to come to DC and vote because he was at a fund raiser somewhere else.
On another front, Senator Clinton verbally hung herself today.
Thank God it's Friday!
Senate Passes No-Strings War Bill
WASHINGTON, May 23 (IPS) - While the future commander of U.S. military operations throughout South Asia and the Middle East assured lawmakers Thursday that the situation in Iraq is continuing to improve, the U.S. Senate approved an additional 165 billion dollars today to fund wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan at least through next winter.
The bill, which was approved by a margin of 70 to 26, did not impose any new conditions on how the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush, who leaves office next January, can spend the money, much to the disappointment of Democrats and some Republicans who had worked hard in recent weeks to attach amendments to the appropriation.
I think they fear that a lot of troops will not re-up. That they will leave the military and go to school leaving the recruiters with higher quotas that they already have trouble filling. I guess that NOT supporting the troops is one way of keeping them.
L.A. Confidential @ 14:
Got to love all those major differences between the Pubs and Dems that causes frictions and stands in the way of their common goal of screwing the rest of us.
Wow, way too tame by my standards.
Considering the danger that a soldier faces while fighting an un-win-able occupation,
these don't hit hard enough.
Americans have gotten such a sanitized view of what has gone on over there.
Every returning soldier deserves a hell of a lot more than an education.
Every Senator who voted AGAINST this bill should hang their head in shame. Oh, I forgot. Right-wing Repugs don't feel shame or empathy.
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
Notice how the Corporate Media portrays this story as a defeat for Bush.
Ken @ 15:
Horse hockey! They fear being locked into financing future vets education, money they would rather spend on mercenaries and war-profiteers. They know recruiters will have a much easier time enlisting recruits BECAUSE of this bill. Their reasons for not supporting this bill are lies, damned lies!
McDoesn’tsupportthetroops makes me very bitter. Very bitter indeed.
At every speech, on every stump, in every interview Obama and is people have to bring this up. Just because McShame was a POW does not make it correct that he should not be held accountable for his anti servicemen/women NON vote. He didn’t even have the courage to push the button and cast his vote against supporting the troops. He went and hid at a fundraiser and then bad mouthed Obama for Obama’s support of the troops. Obama and his people need to ask why McLame was afraid to do the same. It could be said that McBush was a coward when it came time to vote “yea” or “nay”. Obama and his staff need to hit this head on. Not only does McCoward NOT support the troops he does not even have the courage to stand before the Senate and cast his vote. Then he says that Senator Obama does not have the experience to show his support in a way that is real and unambiguous. Shame, shame, shame on you Mr. McLipservice!!!
Yes, I am bitter indeed.
Nice job Senator.
When Historians write the epitaph to the BushCo LLC cabal, they should be in awe of an all volunteer armed force that did exactly what they were called upon to do.
Those same Historians should point out that it was the neo-con polititians who placed ideology over common sense that failed the American People.
From a fellow vet 73-76 to the Iraq and Afghanistan war vets.........congrats, you deserve our praise!
My friend, who was in the Florida guard and spent his 50th birthday in Iraq at the beginning of the war, would support your efforts, Jon. Sadly after 13 months in Iraq he came home and died several months later of a tumor. He knew this war was bs and he told me so the night before he was sent to Iraq. I'll always remember what his face looked like the night he told me he was going to be sent. His is the face of this war for me. It was because of him that I wrote my first message ever on the inter-net.
Jon: It was an honor and pleasure to meet you in the Western PA HQ of Kerry/Edwards, and your trajectory to date has been nothing short of astonishing. Your aim is true, congrats. joellawson [at] mac.com
The Dems should be doing the same with health care, pensions, social security, education, everything.
Will the stain of this war ever wipe off? To think that those Senators voted against this bill is mind-boggling! Billions wasted, thousands lost. When will this madness end?
johnnyRocketpants @ 20:
Good point.
Jon, you and all the good people of VoteVets rock! Thank you so much for not only your courage to serve but to speak out against this stupid war. I am so glad to hear of the support in the Senate and hope that all the votes "stick" and are not "show" votes at this time.
I have no words for those slimy weasels who spoke against the Webb-Hagel bill. Political football is fine if one is the CinC I guess, holding troops hostage in Iraq and stealing the oil.
Congratulations to you and VoteVets for job well done!!!
P.D. @ 27:
When people take a stand.
http://tinyurl.com/624qtl
P.D. @ 27:
We're 'The Germans' of the 21st century (sorry, Germans. I know you've been getting it in the neck for nearly 100 years).
miss_kitty @ 31:
The Nazis were a perfect example of Greed led By Corruption thats for sure.
Jon Stoltz? Wow. On point John.
both of you. :) Keep up the great work. Fret not. We got them now. The gop is trying to bring the ship down with them. they will fail, and be irrelevant for a generation. Keep up the good fight. Stick to your guns. Your the man. Thank you for giving voice to the voiceless.
Fabulous Mizz K - I have a German gal-pal here in NZ who has told me she's rather grateful these days to the Americans. At long last, someone else is hated worldwide more than the Germans.
Yay us. :(
While it is quite laudable that Jon Soltz is supporting the Webb-Hagel GI Bill, I also wish, as a Vietnam veteran, that he and others like Paul Rieckhoff would labor just as hard to advocate for the immediate and speedy withdrawal of the troops from that abattoir in Iraq and Afghanistan. If not, there will be more veterans in need of these services. The best way, I believe, to truly demonstrate support for the troops is to make sure that they are not placed needlessly in harm's way.
Jon Soltz correctly notes that "we cannot let [the veto] happen." But we also cannot allow these troops to be sacrificed on the altar of lies and fabrications that have been given to them, just as they were given to me and hundreds and thousands of others in Vietnam, in order to justify this less than noble cause that they are dying for, and returning to this country maimed and crippled, for no justifiable reason whatsoever. If Jon Soltz and other members of Votevets can, as he says, ".. expose their sham bill at the starting gate", the the hope is that he and his organization can also get on the airwaves to expose the less than truthful reasons why these soldiers are being used as cannon fodder for this administration. Jon Soltz can tell the American people that neither McCain nor Obama is calling for all of the troops to be withdrawn from Iraq and the region as swiftly as possible. That is the best way to support them, by making sure that no more of them have to see the inside of a VA hospital when they finally return to this country.
Support the troops. Bring them home-NOW.
Correction on comment #35. In the middle of the last paragraph, it should read "... then the hope is that he and his organization can also get on the airwaves..."
Thanks Jon.
I appreciate what yer doin. Keep on keepin on.
Of course, WE "got your back," babe.
The REPUBS will do nothin' 'cept stab you in the back.
I work at a major military hospital which I won't name here. I try to educate my service member co-workers about what McCain and BU$HCO are doing, or rather, not doing for them and their families. Some of them listen and some don't but nobody tries to defend the chimp anymore. I draw the line at attempting to communicate about such things with patients though as I will not harrass my patients with politics. They deserve to have my full and undivided attention when I see them.
All of that being said, and speaking as a veteran, I truly believe that the Republicans are opposing Webb's bill because he is a Democrat. I think that is all that there is to it. This is nothing more than the most petty act imaginable: they can't allow a Dem to "win". Fine Republicans! Introduce the same bill or a better one and call it yours and I'll support that.
Idiots.
Hi Jon,
I am a ground combat vet of the Vietnam War and I think that what has happened to your generation of soldiers and veterans
is possibly worse than what happened to my generation of soldiers and veterans. After my service in Vietnam I used the
GI Bill to go back to school and obtain a degree, which would have been very difficult to do with out the GI Bill.
I am in agreement with what Erroll above says too. Bring the troops home from this war based on lies! Believe me, I know
the feeling of being used for political purposes and the fact that it was pushed on your generation by a gutless fortunate
son and his associates disgusts me to no end.
Good for you for standing up to the bastards !
Best of Luck with your pursuits !
yogigirl @ 8:
Thanks so much for your support!
Joel Lawson @ 25:
Wow Joel! That is a blast from the past. Did you volunteer also?
JS
pissed off patricia @ 13:
Senator's Clinton and Obama were early co-sponsors on the Webb/Hagel bill.
Both were present, both voted yea. Both have been great on these issues.
JS
miss_kitty @ 6:
Miss Kitty!
It will be up to us to hold them accountable! And we will!
JS
CD @ 7:
We are HUGE Bob Kerrey fans at VoteVets. He is a board member and has been very helpful with helping elect vets to office.
JS
Those voting against this bill were not voting against the Vets. There is (was) and alternative version of the bill that escalated payments to vets base on their tenure of service. Sounded on the surface like a better, more reasonable plan. McCain said he would have voted for the latter. So stop the "republicans hate the vets" stuff.
However, having used the GI Bill, I'm glad that something passed for the Vets...not much else has.
Jon Soltz @ 45:
Hey Jon, how ya doin bud? Thanks again for doing all you're doing. I'm a vet and there are a lot of us here. More than anyone knows. I think I can speak for them by saying thank you. But I have a question for you.
Do you think Sen McCains military service is fair game in this election cycle?
Thanks again Jon, keep it up. Your country still needs you.
Thanks a lot for all the hard work on the new GI Bill.
I'm a Viet Nam war veteran, and I think we owe our
military people at least as much now as what I got
for my service then.
mudshark @ 47:
I think he is a hero. Why touch that when he is wrong on Iraq with all his experience? Why touch that when he is against every major vets group on the GI Bill? There are plenty of issues where he is wrong!
Jon Soltz @ 49:
OK Jon, I'll respect your position on this.
But why do you think he's a hero?
What did he do to gain that title?
I'm not trying to slam McCain, I'm just interested why you think he's a hero.
Personaly, I disagree. He should have never signed. A lot of other guys didn't.
But you're right Jon.
There are PLENTY of other things to blast him on.
I used to like McCain, just as a person. Until 2000 when he wouldn't defend his wifes honor.
But what happens when the GOP start hurling ugly inuendos at Obama. Should he just say, McCains military history is off limits even when they are saying the most vile things imaginable about Obama?
Sorry Jon, it's fair game. The gloves will come off, and when they do. We have to put him out before the 3rd round.
Mudshark
I believe that you raised an extremely important and relevant point regarding Jon Soltz's comment that he regards McCain as a hero. It is relevant because the media and McCain himself are trying to capitalize on McCain's war record to, if not catapult him to the presidency, then to at least make America believe that what McCain did in Vietnam is supposed to give him an advantage over the rest of the candidates. What the so-called liberal media has never, to my knowledge, addressed is why dropping bombs and napalm on people who were never a threat to anyone in these United States over the skies of Vietnam from 35,000 feet should make someone a hero. To this day, McCain believes that the United States left Vietnam too soon, apparently believing that the 2 to 4 million Vietnamese that were killed, and the millions more who were maimed and crippled by the United States and himself, were not enough to satisfy McCain's blood lust.
John McCain was certainly no hero. The true heroes back then were those members of the U.S. military who spoke out against America's unwarranted war of aggression against Vietnam, such as those portrayed in the powerful documentary Sir! No Sir!. it is far more courageous to say NO to illegal orders than it is to blindly obey them. It is instructive to recall the words of former Green Beret Donald Duncan, who wisely stated in Sir! No Sir!: "I was doing it right but I wasn't doing right." If only John McCain had the decency to say those very same words.
Evenin Erroll, To say NO takes balls. Real Balls.
We don't always see eye to eye. But on this we are in agreement.
Have a great evenin Erroll.
mudshark @ 50:
Her served our nation for over 20 years. How many people do that? How many Americans have been tortured for 5 1/2 years. I dont like it when they attack John Kerry or Bob Kerrey, and I just think its hypocritical to do so. He is wrong on the issues, but he served, and today we don't have that many people with courage like that.
Jon Soltz @ 54:
He served for 20 years. OK. But their are alot more than him who served for the same and less who should be called hero's before this guy gets that title.
Nope, sorry I ain't buyin it. Who was the Admiral? Who had his finger nails pulled off and still refused to sign. Amongst other torture. That guy never did sign and he was there for just as long, if not longer. You may not like it Jon, but it's coming. And it should come. After what they did to Kerry(swiftboat) they should expect the same in return. That's the only way that the GOP machine will recognize what they did was wrong.
And the MSM is pushing McCain as a war hero. Nobody questions it. I want to see the truth about what happened to him there.
He's running for Prez, and everything is fair game. That's the way the GOP plays. They can't have it both ways. As hard as they try. He signed Jon. he signed. That right there should disqualify him for the office.
Jon, thank you for all you have done and continue to do...you are an inspiration and a voice of hope.
Excellent work, Mr. Soltz, with the bill and the blog! If you'll allow an ol' fart to say so, 'You Rock!' And so does Vote Vets! Thank you, Sir, and please carry on!
Embittered-Max-Hussein-1 @ 4:
And every single one of those 22 Senators has NEVER failed to give themselves a pay raise, not once.
And every single one of those 22 Senators has lifetime medical care and a guaranteed pension. Which they have voted for themselves and never even consider NOT taking for themselves.
Why are they getting away with that? Because we let them.
Would someone with a mic and access please ask them how they can vote themselves pay raise after pay raise while they're sticking it to vets - again.
I used to have a poster of a grizzled old cowboy, scowling and saying, "Hangins' to good fer 'em."
We need to at least fire them, then we should do what their corporate CEO buddies do; raid their pensions and leave them with nothing but a bad taste and a foreclosure.
I mean, really - hanging is too good for them.
mudshark @ 55:
Jon, I love ya, but enough with the war hero stuff. A little reality here. I'm a vet, I know lots of vets, and I gotta tell you, not everybody called a hero deserves the title & a lot of vets who really are heroes never get recognized.
And some vets are brilliant and some are nutjobs., just like everybody else. No way do the vets I know get a pass on screwy thinking just cause they served.
Thank us for serving, but don't forget, some of us are batshit and would blow up the world in a second, given half a chance and a button to push.
Y'all need to watch Catch 22 and Dr. Strangelove again, cause a LOT of the people I served with were just like those characters - oh, and Stripes, definately lots of my friends were straight outta Stripes.
Great partying buddies, yeah.
Great to be stationed with, absolutely.
Trust em with your back, you bet.
Put em in charge of the world, Omifreakinggawdareyouinsane??
As far as McCain is concerned, he reminds me of the homeless vets I see downtown, not quite capable of maintaining enough of a grasp on basic social skills to function any longer, muttering to themselves, eyes darting, always on the lookout for the next threat, suddenly lashing out in rage at something only they can see, and I think that the only difference between them and McCain is a very thin line and a whole lotta money.
But he wouldn't be the first nutjob to buy himself a place in history, or, to be more precise, whose wife is buying him a place in history.
Whatever. I think it's another one of those bizarro Republican achievements that we accept Republican failure as a virtue and Democratic success as a flaw. McCain gets captured by the enemy and he's a hero. Kerry saves his fellow crewmen's lives and he gets swiftboated. Bush goes AWOL from the Texas Guard slot he took to avoid the draft and he's a hero. Gore volunteered to go to Nam and that doesn't count.
Mudshark's right, McCain ain't all they're propping him up to be. Thank him for his service and move on. Let's not kneejerk along to the pounding of the meme. Better yet, tie Kerry's truly heroic service to every mention of McCain's. And not just Kerry's service.
The Right would be apoplectic if they couldn't get the war hero TP out w/out hearing Kerry, Gore, et al, eternally tied to it.
They got away with denigrating Kerry, let's not go overboard helping them venerate Mccain.
Thanks for your service Jon. We OWE YOU whatever you want, includuing a decent education. That's not too much to ask.
Fight for what's right; and this is right.
The GOP likes to wrap themselves in the flag and talk big about supporting the military, but when push comes to shove and it's time to show the money, they look the other way. They don't mind sending them off to die, but they're on their own once they return. John McCain is a prime example. He's voted against helping veterans twice as much he's voted for them. Yet, he's out there bragging that he's "earned the right" to vote on veteran's issues while Obama has not. What a jerk. McCain has received D-'s by a number of veteran groups. I hope veterans will stand up and speak loudly on behalf of Obama, the one who really stands up for them.
It's easier for Republicans to slap a magnet on a car and preen for the cameras with a flag pin on their lapel than do something substantive for a vet. As for the McCain rebuttal about "retention," someone should read the cover story from the "Washigton Monthly" a few months back. It talks about the inability of the military to retain academy-trained officers beyond their initial enlistment commitment. If we can't keep them, why should we deny a real benefit to the grunt? Does anyone really believe that man or woman who's served two or three tours in SW Asia is going to be enticed to leave the military because of a new GI bill? They are leaving anyway, motivated by the desire not to do another tour in the combat zone. If we were doing such a great job of retention, why are soldiers being stop-lossed? My hats off to Jon and to the bill's sponsors and support.
Jon...thank you for all you've given to this country. In addition, your ability to articulate these issues is fabulous. I'm sure that this is in no small part responsible for Lindsey Graham to be driven crazy. He should be (he's my Senator by the way).
He's a McCain tool, through and through, as he's shown too often. This is a no-brainer bill and should have been a unanimous decision. My father was able to attend Oxford after WWII thanks to the GI Bill. He went on to teach medieval philosophy at Georgetown and is now buried at Arlington National. Our vets now need what the country gave my father. Period.
Good luck getting this through. I used the GI Bill in 1978-80 and finished up my BA. It made a HUGE difference in getting jobs since.
The issue the 22 rethugnicans have with the bill is their ideological passion against government benefiting normal people. They'll vote to give subsidies to oil companies when it's at $135 a barrel but not a dime for those willing to sacrifice everything to further US government policy (which in this case I think is mistaken).
Jon,
You're just fuggin' awesome. I hope you continue to use your platform to achieve real reform for all those men and women who are giving everything to protect the rest of us. You are an asset to the cause and we need an eloquent leader like yourself to cut through all of the bs currently in the system. You rock!
And you're HOT. (I'm such a sucker for a guy in uniform.) More please!
I thought that the opposition to this bill was simply another unthinkable example of El Presidente showing off how evil his party was - like the 'no health care for poor children' fiasco. But I found a couple of these foul politicians talking somewhere online, and they changed my mind: they're afraid that with education benefits, soldiers will have the nerve to want to leave the army when their tours are over, and pursue careers or something. More simply, the army is under such strain that they're trying to keep the soldiers from even getting the idea not to return.
John Amato:
Request; can someone enumerate and cite the other spending included in this bill.
Blackwater has actually got it better then our troops, because they can quit thier job anytime they want, our young have been set up.
Bush says he doesn't understand why Congress would pass a bill they know he would veto?
Why would Bush veto a bill that was veto proof?
Failure to put brain in gear before putting mouth in motion?
Jon, you are doing such great work! Thank you so much!
Please, keep on fighting this good fight. We're with you!
Recent NYT article (22 May 08) stated that the Pentagon PAID an undocumented paper Invoice for $324 MILLION CASH for "Iraqi Payroll" with the ONLY notation "QTY 1,000" . . . and this same Pentagon/Bushco wants to VETO a rise because it is .5 MORE than they think deserved and would ADD $346 Million to the Budget . . . . guess we KNOW where McSame and 22 Chickenhawk Senators stand.
Keep pissing on their campfire!!!! VoteVets has our family backing
Viet Vet, U.S.A., RVN 70-71
Sir - Thank you for all you have done for our country, and for others who have served.
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