Chris Matthews Show: Campaigning on McSame's Image
By Nicole Belle Saturday May 24, 2008 11:00am
The Village is having a tough time with John McCain's presidential run. It involves pushing several narratives that for people outside their bubble would appear to be mutually exclusive. Is he a maverick or is he Bush's 3rd term? Is he the reform candidate or does he have issues? The answer is apparently yes to all of those. And he's inconsistent, as is obvious from Andrea Mitchell's characterization of his first (but trust me, not his last) attack on Barack Obama.
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MATTHEWS: I’ve never heard John McCain…well, we all hear about him being mad, I haven’t seen him mad. But he looked like he sounded mad this week when he said Obama is a basically the term “chickenhawk”. He’s talking about the soldiers like he cares for them, he never served himself. That’s the first time I heard John McCain make that shot at somebody for not having served.
MITCHELL: That’s right. In fact, he never made that shot at Bush and Cheney, who were, you know, boomers who could have gone to Vietnam. So he let them have a pass and here you have a young man whose only war could have been perhaps Grenada at his age? [LAUGHTER] The volunteer army? And yet he said that he had shirked his responsibility of going into the Armed Services. I think that is really the tack he is going to take. It was the harshest attack on Barack Obama by John McCain yet. And it’s all about not being able to meet the “Commander–in-Chief” test.
BROOKS: First of all, he is different from (Bush). I mean, he ran against him in 2000, there was no love lost. There are major policy areas that are different. What’s lacking in McCain campaign is a thematic difference. To label something is to own it. And he hasn’t labeled his approach to politics, to his approach to the country. He said, okay, I’m with him on this policy. I’m not with him on that policy. A lot of little policies. There’s been no major theme. And there are a lot of Republicans that say he needs a theme, and the theme has to be reform. Bush didn’t make things work. I’m going to make things work. And that’s not conservative, that’s not liberal. He’s a bad left/right ideologue, he’s just bad at that. But he’s a good reformer.
KAY: But David, if you look at how he’s doing –compared to his party in the polls—actually this process of a policy here and a policy there is not doing him too badly.
BROOKS: Well, I would say that’s because of character. People essentially know who John McCain is. They essentially like McCain, they have no clue who Barack Obama is. And so he’s tied on character. But I think that to get over the hump he has to have an affirmative vision. And he has little bits of a vision, but he hasn’t put it all together yet.
Need I provide any more proof that Brooks and reality are mutually opposing concepts?
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Get ready for president McCain. A populist president can lo longer win in America. The military industrial complex simply will not allow it.
Underground Pirate @ 1:
The military industrial complex better get ready for a fucking civil war, then.
Underground Pirate @ 1:
he has to get 51% of the popular vote and then there needs to be an honest paper trail of votes, and no Diebold.
under any other conditions he never will be the lawful president.
We dont need no stinkin 00 or 04 TY.
McCrazy can make all the attackes he wants. It's only going to highlight his unfittness for the office. Whose finger would I want on the button, a batshit nutty hothead with zero integrity, or a thoughtful and reasonable person of high native intelligence and clear thinking?
Gee, let me and the rest of America think about that for a few months...
Considering his stand on veterans' benefits, a more fitting name would be McSHAME.
slippy hussein toad @ 2:
I think the peed off 70% would enjoy putting the Repug 30% down, its something thats long overdue.
How long are they gonna keep pushing this "Everybody knows McCain. But nobody knows who this Obama-guy is."? Its just playing to American fear and xenophobia. Which is exactly what the Republicans want
galmud @ 7:
And it won't work because Barack Obama is now a household name just like Oprah Winfrey.
Brooks: "People essentially know who John McCain is."
Code for "He's the only WHITE GUY."
McCain the Maverick? He's a maverick alright, one that has been roped, thrown, gelded, and branded with a flying "W". He's now in a corral with lobbyists minding the gate.
The McCain-Rove campaigning has begun. Labeling the other side falsely of what you are guilty of. It wasn't Obama who started and champions a war for somebody else and somebody else's kids to fight in. That's Bush-Cheney-Wolfowitz-Brooks-Kristol-Rove-Lieberman...etc, etc, etc....and the slew of combat dodging Republicans in congress.
The GOP is the chickenhawk party. This McCain-Rovian smear won't work this time round.
When people say we are at a "crossroads" or a "pivotal place" in America, I tend to think so to. Cause all these media pundits, with their massive arsenal of media disinformation at their disposal, is not enough to fool a majority of us anymore, thanks to the internet and common fucking sense.
Let Brooks be tossed softballs by Tweety, it dont matter anymore. Every day that goes by more and more people are waking up, its now a solid majority getting larger every day, all who at least know this much:
These right wing nut jobs like old ass McCain and the idiot frat boy incumbent are liars.
McCain not Bush III? Then why is McCain to play ‘McSamey’ in ‘Grey’s Anatomy’?
Matthews: "The biggest problem John Mc Cain has is he's a membr of the incumbant party?"
Are you kidding me?
I dare say Chuck Nagle wouldn't be much better recieved then John Mc Cain.
I am so over Matthews I could scream!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That email from that ignorant redneck is too much.
It wasn't a Muslim who has destroyed America from the inside out it was a so called Christian - George W. Bush.
Regarding the military and boomer generation - I was born in 1960. I went into the army for 3 years in 1978. Unfortunately, the GI Bill ended in 1977 and I did not receive the relatively generous college benefits baby boomers got. I mention this only to point out that anyone born in 1960 is not a boomer. I also believe that anyone my age will be the first ones to get screwed when the SS administration runs out of $.
Ruthless People @ 15:
oops..wrong thread. Should have been posted 2 back.
Underground Pirate @ 1:
We are. We're not taking anything for granted.
The MSM has barbecue sauce all over their faces.
Do you think one of the talking heads could have taken the Sunday before Memorial Day
If I was or had served in Iraq I would either be depressed or outraged, it’s as if that war has been forgotten let alone holding anyone responsible for the false intelligence ACCOUNTABLE. Tomorrow is Memorial Day and there was not one interview with a Vet on any of these shows and barely a mention of their service or their perspectives on this war or wars of the past. I am sick of hearing about this election. This year should be a “slam dunk” for the Democrats and with the way this is dragging on it is not.
George Stephanpoulous did nail Rove (who was on for at least 20 minutes) on the subpoena. I have never heard Rove say “uh uh uh” so many times in a row. Although he seemed fairly confident that he was riding above the law along with the rest of the Bush administration.
Take a peek at Rove squirming if you dare
http://a.abcnews.com/thisweek
"Well, we all hear about him being mad, I haven’t seen him mad."
McCain is at least smart enough to not do this on camera.
Especially after the book documenting the affection he holds
for his wife, heh.
As for the military service issue, etc, if the Democrats are even
minimally intelligent (I have my doubts..) they can cream McCain
with the very same advertising as the Republicans have used in
the past. "Flip-flop" is but one of many concepts that would make
an extremely successful campagin.
The topsy turvy world of "new politics".
i saw a tape a few years ago of mccain berating maria shriver backstage at an event. this tape was played on the tonite show and the idiot leno got a big kick out of it. somebody must have access to that tape.
Ironic how many people are always decrying the lack of "fighting Dems" and how upset they are when they finally get one.
This "military experience" BS is making me sick. Obama was born 8/4/61, so during 1972 thru 1974, Obata,at age 11 to 14, was hardly eligible to serve in the Viet Nam War. When Grenada conflict occured(Oct. 83 to Dec. 83), Obama was attending Columbia University. When the Gulf War I occurred(1991), Obama was 30 years of age and when the Bosina War occurred(1993-1995), Obama was 32 to 34...and to my knowledge, few(very, very few) 30 year olds were then(as now) volunteering for our all voluntary Army. So for any of those idiotic media political pundits to infer that Obama "skipped out or failed to serve" are full of SHIT.
Since the media is soooo enthralled with Obama's military service/experience, it
seems to me that the same bunch of biased fools could, at the same time, question
McCain as to why he is giving Mitt Romney any consideration as his V.P. when Mitt's
sons(all of age and eligible for military service) have not served one single day in any
branch of the military.
The MSM, including ALL of them, are not fair and balanced as to reporting the
facts and it's time for us to turn off the cable TV, tune them out, and not listen
to any of the BS they continue to spew forth from their asses.
I think they're reluctantly giving him the honorable benefit of the doubt here, just like Olbermann was doing with Hillary until her last comment. It won't take long before they're all (not including paid shills like Brooks) forced to admit the idea of a President McCain is their own failed invention.
wow... ThinkProgress just disappeared... a white out... gone, from forefox... and safari says it can't find the TP server (when i get ANY message)...
anyone else?
huh... never mind... there it is...
katy @ 26:
Works fine for me on firefox. Just went there.
You using Mr. Gates best?
"People essentially know who John McCain is"? I didn't know who he was other than name/face/yeah he's a senator from AZ. When things started looking serious for him to be the repub choice I began doing my research to find out. That is why I take serious offense to the next statement of "They essentially like McCain....". The more I found out about the guy the less I like him. I think I like him less every day. And I do think most of America knows exactly who Obama is; at least those who care to look beyond his middle name.
Anyone braved CNN long enough to catch the clips of Obama's address to Wesleyan graduates?
What is really amazing is that they unanimously attest to his "character." Good lord! Are they referring to his going around with Cindy while still married to his first wife? Are they referring to the Keating 5? Or his dozens of diametrically changed positions in the last few years to pander to conservatives? Or his humorous musical parody about bombardment of Iran? Please, show me why, about his great "character." And tell me how none of them burst out laughing during that absurd, dishonest talk. After all, they DID laugh about Obama being a draft dodger during the Granada War. They ARE capable of laughter!
katy @ 26:
It's running in an open tab in Firefox for me no problem.
Hillary Says She Will Finish the Race
http://tinyurl.com/5anuum
OT, but cars just fired their engines at Indy 500.
mccain has NO EXPERIENCE himself for crying out loud! Unless you want to count experience at flunking and experience at crashing. If it wasn't for his daddy he would never have even graduated from the Naval Academy.
L.A. - "You using Mr. Gates best?"
no... hell no!
but it is a 4yr old imac... TP is back again... just kinda weird...
Bobo must be in contention for press secretary. He's become a major cheerleader. Fortunately no one who would vote for McBush reads Bobo.
Rove never served anyone but himself, Bush ran away from serving his country lest he go to Vietnam, Cheney sought and got five deferments rather than serve his country and McShame says nothing about those cowards. Obama served his country by being a community organizer in a strange city and served the people with distinction. As for McShame he went to the Naval Academy where his only distinction was to finish near the bottom of his class, while Obama graduated from college and was accepted in Harvard Law School proving, that unlike McShame he was no academic slouch. McShame is trying to milk his prisoner of war status for all the political mileage he can get out of it. Thank you for your service. But that was then Senator, this is now. You have plainly, no matter your lofty retoric to the contrary, turned your back on the very veterans you claim to honor. Your are plainly a disgrace today to the uniform you say you wore proudly.
marc @ 16:
I've been saying for a while now that the sons and daughters of The Greatest Generation, to include The Clintons, will go down in history as the ones who, once they enjoyed all the fruits of the post WW II boom, pulled the ladder up after them and then left their sons and daughters to fend for themselves, all the while delivering the hoary lecture on personal responsibility and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
Complete and total self-indulgent and spoiled rotten douchebags.
When I left the Marines in 1990 the then Montgomery GI Bill, which service-people had to pay into while they were in, out of their already meager pay, was worth all of $1,500, which wouldn't go that far over the course of a 4 year college education.
That was nearly 20 years ago, and like the pittance we pay in Minimum Wage now, things haven't changed all that much.
Maybe that's how you get to be a rich bastard, by being a cheap bastard by not paying people properly and nickle and diming people to death.
~Nyc
katy @ 35:
Probably just some another odd glitch-sputter.
Doggiebobo @ 24:
This effort by McCain to turn a spotlight on OBama not serving in the military is going to back fire big time. That is if the MSM is not too busy wiping McCains barbecue sauce off of their faces.
There is no fucking way he should be allowed to get away with this. While having Lieberman (who deferred during Vietnam) over McCains shoulder. Lieberman, Cheney, Bush all willing to send other people's family members off to their bloody and immoral war in Iraq. And yet McSame shines the light on Obama. Pure hypocrisy.
Nyc La Brets @ 38:
Thats always been the way it is in this country. Obviously some people were born into advantageous circumstances, but even Rich Kids hear things like. . "How are you going to get by on just $100,000.00 a year! Oh! And to think of everything we've done for you since you were a child!"
L.A. Confidential @ 32:
"I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Sen. Obama and I both make our case - and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard - in the end, everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee."
From what I have read here and on other blogs she is NOT uniting the Democratic Party. The longer this goes on the harder it will be to mend fences.
Hey Chris Matthews and producers you could have surprised the watching audience and have had some VETS on your program the day before Memorial day instead of the talking heads endless hash and rehashing of this campaign and upcoming election that has been going on for fucking ever!
Yeah you could have had a WWII Vet, a Korean Vet, A Desert Storm Vet and an Iraqi or Afghanistan war Vet sitting in those talking head seats. You could have had them discussing the war in Iraq of the wars they served in. Or you could have had them talking about the election and how it might play into any upcoming wars.
Just more of Katty Kay, Andrea Mitchell, David Brooks (who was the other guy) going over the endless he said she said, who is going to be VP, yada yada about the election.
Is there any other news out there. Have we all ready withdrawn from Iraq?
McCain flip flops.
McCain lies.
McCain is senile.
McCain is a war monger.
McCain is owned by Joe Lieberman and AIPAC.
McCain has no honor and didn't defend his family and his name when he was
attacked by Karl Rove.
McCain made 32 Pro Propaganda videos for the VietCong.
McCain confuses AlQuada with Terrorist and Iraqi fighters.
McCain wants to attack Syria, Iran, N.Korea, Russia and China.
McCain is ignorant regarding the economy.
McCain is a songbird and Traitor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvXEsW4Fgg
All I know about John McCain is that his father and grandfather were admiral, and he was accepted at Annapolis (wonder of wonders).
There he managed to graduate 894th in a class of 899. We've already had one powerful people's offsping as the affirmative action president. We don't need another.
It's a tough job. Someone with a brain should be performing it or we'll never turn this country around.
More and more I have a gut feeling that McCrazy is not going to be the nominee. That's as far as I get, but it is a strong feeling.
Janet @ 42:
Anythings possible. The biggest problem is Clinton Dems and Obama's base refuse to sit down and talk at this point.
It all started when some "unknown entity" dropped the race bomb immediately on Clinton, Then the shit hit the fan and has been going ever since.
I think were all going to loose big time in Nov.
Kathleen @ 43:
Seems like a great idea, but...
In this country, vets are to be remembered with parades two days a year, otherwise they are expected to quietly take whatever meager benefits they are shoveled by their government. They are not to be heard.
Of course, pathetic.
Where do the spin-meisters all get this "we know sr. mcAncient, and we know what he is. We don't know Barack Obama?" I think I know Barack Obama as well or better than I know this mcTwisted old fart who speaks out of both sides of his mouth AND his ass at the same time with different positions.
mcAncient is doing whatever is necessary to get a piece of the repug-pie, and it's not so much he's a maverick bullshit, but rather he's all over the place on his positions, trying to please all the fruitcakes on the right.
Also, when he sings his "bomb, bomb Iran" song, and accuses Obama of skirting his patriotic duty by not having joined up to fight in Grenada, "I welcome pastor hagey (from hell)'s endorsement only to cast him aside three weeks later, or some other foolish bullshit, it makes him look more uniformed and stupid than we thought he was.
We DON'T NEED another buffoon in the White House. Eight years of hell is enough!!!
Le Misanthrope aka Jim W @ 30:
Yeah, and as recent as Friday of last week, it was disclosed that both LIEberman
and Lindsey Graham have been serving as honory directors of the Vets for Freedom
organization....a conservative group supporting the bush's war in Iraq...and it is very
probable that by so serving for that organization, both have violated the very "ethical
laws" put forth by McCain. Hypocracy at it's finest.
Is it just me, or does anyone else out there find it utterly surreal, to the point that Dali would have a hard time with it, that the wife, (Andrea Mitchell), of the man, (Alan Greenspan), he who went out of his way to trainwreck the American Economy, is not only given a seat at these media tables, reaching the minds of millions of people, but has a prominent position as Chief Political Correspondent at NBC/MSNBC as well?
Who are these people?
And why, given their collective track records, do they carry any credence with anybody on anything?
What kind of game is it that they are playing?
Soviet Era corruption in Russia was bad, but, in Stalin's wettest of wet dreams, never this bad.
All this makes me feel that I'm living in a real world, badly written, Ayn Rand novel, that's been flipped on its head, since the ones that Rand would make out to be heroes in her "books" are actually the real-life villains in this piece.
Dear god, please make it stop and go away.
~Nyc
David Brooks issuing memes will fail because 99% of America doesn't know who the fuck he is and wouldn't trust him if they did.
Nyc La Brets @ 51:
You are certainly not alone in your observation/views. That is why over a year ago
I cancelled my cable TV subscription since ALL MSM channels are filled with incompetent political pundits who live inside the beltway and have no clue as to what
is really going on elsewhere...Better to get factual news from alternative outlets; such
as Democracy Now, PBS, CSPAN(on line), BBC, and the printed word in the Guardian.
hmm. The second thread so far about how abused poor Barack Obama was or how elevated poor Barack Obama's presumptive Republican opponent in the general election was on the evil Chris Matthews show today.
Meanwhile Tim Russert spent at least half of his hour long show hashing out how horrible Hillary Clinton is for saying the word "assassinated" with 6 Clinton-bashers on the panel and without a single Clinton supporter in sight to point out the obvious...that she was simply referring to a well known instance in the past when a Democratic nomination process extended into June.
But I haven't seen a thread about that outrage yet.
Why are we so uncharacteristically shy about trashing Tim Russert on this site today?
Nyc La Brets @ 51:
Andrea Mitchell"s prime time lies.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-fiderer/andrea-mitchells-prime-t_b_1...
How much more can the American public take of this election slicing and dicing. Hell that is all Chris Matthews has been covering for over a year. He used to have some Vets on or go visit Walter Reed or talk about Iran. Nothing NOthing at all. It is just endless election coverage.
John McCain is " Mr Character " ?
He does have characteristics,
=He dump his first wife for wealth and that wealth makes him a Congressman of Arizona.
=The criminal character it took to be part of the Keating Five.
=The sell out Americans first to any lobbyist that pays enough character.
=Putting corporations first, Party line second, Americans last character.
=Living off a built reputation of WAR HERO character over reality of war survivor.
----What heroic act did McCain do?
=A POW tortured into stating false confessions knowingly enables the same for others to be treated
as he was.
* These are a few for starters. But the comment that everyone knows McCain (as a positve) is a right wing pander that I would expect of Comedian republican water carries Rush Limbaugh to espouse. Not Matthews..............................
Underground Pirate @ 1:
McSame is insane and the American people are not all stupid. The stupid people get their news from FAUX and are in the 28% who think the Bush administration is on the right track.
Sandra Hussein @ 46:
I think McBush will still be the nominee, but the selection of the VP will probably be out of his hands. I'm guessing that the RNC and Rove are seriously considering McBush tipping over in office were he to get
electedDiebolded into office. The selection of the "proper" VP to carry on the Shrublegacydisgrace is critical to them.I wonder if Jeb has crashed the McBush Memorial Day barbeque?
kasinca @ 57:
I agree, and the results of ALL of the Primaries held thus far would indicate that the
American people(especially the Dems) are more than fed up w/the "bush years". That
is, the last statistical voting data I saw reflected that the voters going to the polls
voted overwhelmingly for Dem candidates by something like 4 to 1..and unless those
same voters stay home in Nov. because "their" man/woman did not receive the nomination, it should result in a somewhat landslide victory for the Democrats.
"But my favorite is David “Bobo” Brooks, who is clearly invested in the “McCain is not the same as Bush and is just a really swell guy” meme”:
just more of the "same old same old" they used to try and convince us bush was a regular ol' guy you could sit down and have a brewski with while playing up elitist 527 flak against gore/kerry. now they trot it out again for old 9 house mccain.
Nyc La Brets @ 51: that the wife, (Andrea Mitchell), of the man, (Alan Greenspan), he who went out of his way to trainwreck the American Economy, is not only given a seat at these media tables, reaching the minds of millions of people, but has a prominent position as Chief Political Correspondent at NBC/MSNBC as well?
Andrea M. used to be an occasional commentator. Now she is "it" and everyone goes to Andrea. She is on Morning Joe, Olberman, has her own show, she's all over MSNBC. WTH happened? All of a sudden she is an "expert." Did I do a Rip Van Winkle and miss a few years? Was she promoted in secret and the rest of us didn't know about it? Everywhere you turn, there she is.
When people see A. Mitchell, Russert, Matthews, everywhere they tune in the people begin to believe what they are saying. BTW, remember when Russert announced that Obama was the nominee and no one could dispute it? What happened? Russert nor anyone else has mentioned that again. Did Russert stick his foot in mouth? Maybe that is why we dislike some of these pundits, Mitchell, Russert, Matthews, Scarborough. They are over-exposed and we have grown weary of their biased views and sometimes outright lies.
fastfeat @ 58:
Absolutley right, the one annointed as VP is the one who is going to reveal who the real puppetmasters are.
I also wonder about Jeb's role in all this. Hopefully the B*sh name is still too toxic for him to be on the ticket. If (Jah forbid) McCain were to get "elected" and Jeb got into the cabinet - all bets are off. I'm going to New Zealand...
John McSame uses the military thing to hide the true John McSame. Having served in the military I can truthfully say that i don't know how service in the armed forces is mandatory to be president. I really appreciate McSame's service but that alone gives him no free hand to criticize others. It's funny that he didn't say the same when the bush/cheney ticket was running. The true American that questions administration decisions and does not march to any party drums is Chuck Hagel. It is a true shame that we have such weak candidates running for the highest office in the land. I don't criticize McSame's military career it had to be hell as a POW but he didn't walk the ground, hump the hills, watch his buddies die, and spend a year continually worrying about death. Many men didn't serve in the armed forces does that make their opinions wrong because they didn't serve?
fastfeat@58: I tend to agree, I think McCain will be the nominee and they are already grooming his VP to take over should something "happen" to make McCain unable to continue. The election is a sure thing for the repugs and we all know it. They have worked too hard for the past eight years to let it go now.
But what the hell can we do about it? Not a damn thing. And the DNC won't even try. If they are too afraid of the Clintons to tell Hillary to give it up what makes you think they have the guts to stand up to the repugs. The Democrats haven't been able to stop anything the repugs have done for the past eight years. So they will sit back and let them steal another election and do nothing about it. We are screwed.
The right wing is screwed in 08 just as they were in 06. McSame is the weakest candidate they've had since Bob Dole.
How does mccain distance himself from bush and risk alienating the base by talking about immigration? Their positions are almost identical.
Appealing to the demographic that likes the idea of 100 years of occupation in iraq and simultaneously opposes the construction of a 100 foot electric fence to keep out all the 'mezcans' is surely a fool's errand.
Add the prospect of an energized libertarian candidate to perform the Perot/Nader function and Obama might just have chance.
I'm trying to be positive today.
I wish McCain would put J.C. Watts on the ticket.
Then Matthews could go on at length about which
black candidate' sermon made his leg tingle the most.
I mean really, what this election has come down to is
what makes the media feel good about itself.
I tried.....I reeeeeeally tried.....to understand WTF??!! Brooks was talking about!
timmuggs @ 10:
Love that
L.A. Confidential @ 18:
There will be no President McCain, no matter how stupid WE THE PEOPLE ARE, we the people arn't that stupid.
gus @ 65:
Don't be so sure. I voted Dem. in 2006 because they promised change. Remember? I don't know about you but I'm still waiting.
Waiting for them to defund the war, close Gitmo., restore civil liberties, carry out the mandates of the constitution
as regards impeachment, stand up to Bush on anything.
Shall I go on.
I gave the Dems. my vote willingly in 2006 because I believed that they would at least make an attempt to carry out some of their campaign pledges. Never did I imagine what
a pathetic and gutless performance would be put on stage for the world to see.
This time they are going have to earn my vote and that includes Obama. I am not voting for change I am going to demand improvement. Absent that I will just vote for my local offices anf forget the national ticket. At least when they screw up I can call them on the phone.
Tom Harper @ 8:
YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT ! I'M IN JAPAN AND MOST OF MY ADULT ENGLISH LESSON STUDENTS HAVE MEMORIZED HIS NAME ! THEY BRING UP THE TOPIC ! They say something like, "Do you like Obama too ?" They've learned his name very well all the way over here in the Far East so it must be gettin' said a real lot in the homes in America.
E Z Rider @ 70:
Don't be too sure. As Albert Einstein said:
"Two things are infinite, the University and human stupidity. And I'm not sure
about the former. "
Doggiebobo @ 73:
Doggiebobo @ 74:
Fuck Brooks.
What bullshit, "everyone knows McCain, everyone generally likes McCain."
McCain is not a good person.
What about the Keating five? I'm not just bringing this up because it is politically damaging. That wasn't a question about someone who thought the "system is broken." It's a question of someone who saw the opportunity to get ahead by breaking the law, and he took it. I don't care what he thinks he's done to reform himself, John McCain is a sleazy politician.
And, by the way, he is breaking the same laws that he tried to institute to show how reformed he is from his criminal ways.
Wow, talking head softball! Almost as gripping as dancing with the stars.... Almost...
What we saw this morning on The Chris Matthews Show is the continuation of a process. Now that they have successfully neutralized Hillary in her quest for the presidency, by SLATHERING over Obama since January... now we will see a shift of commentary and opinion that will favor McCain and darken the skies over the Obama campaign. They simply want to keep OLD WHITE MEN in power in this country. Bill O'Reily admitted it out loud a couple of months ago. This crowd is just following suit.
At least Obama doesn't have untreated PTSD like mccain.
Actually, Matthews last statment was the most telling: "McCain is a member of the incumbent party, he had his shot at reform for years and he didn't do it"
Maverick, my fucking ass.
I'm a US Navy Vietnam Veteran. I'm not voting for McCain, he's no hero to me. The son of a bitch couldn't even be in Washington for a vote on the GI Bill. Fuck him and all his neo-con friends.
I notice Matthews got the memo to change the definition of "Chickenhawk." It was: "coward who is warlike," now it's "didn't serve but cares about the troops?" As with the term "fascist," Rebuttlickin' imperative #1 is to redefine all the negative terms that define them, and pin them on the opposition. Nice toolin', Matthews.
i know there are a lot of things the person (is there one?) "defending" obama in this back-and-forth has to respond to, but i am constantly disappointed that the important meme that
is an inaccurate statement.
when mccain tries to bitch-slap obama with his "lack of military service," obama should bitch-slap him back with "no, i chose to serve the people differently than you," and, by holding up the example of bush and cheney, refute the idea that military service is a mandatory requirement. if the republicans think bush has done the right thing with iraq and since bush has no military experience, why should that be any basis to object to obama?
i don't understand why i'm not getting phone calls from the obama campaign ...
on thinking on it for several minutes, i realize i'm being too lenient on whoever it is that's supposed to be speaking for "the other side."
this is what they do for a living.
this is their job.
how can they be so ill prepared day after day, week after week.
it's a wonder to behold, even if it does make me cranky and want to throw things.
Only a war mongering NEOCON agenda, can not afford a few more veterans going to collage , because of modest increases of collage benefits . But since it's not about reporting or discussing REAL issues , and only framing the argument around " McCain's Response, you get these phony opportunistic attacks on Obama and yet another chance to advertise McCain's " hero " status , to get their guy in the white house .
To me its very simple , when McCain and the neocons have an agenda of hegemony over the middle east , Asia , Africa and South America and rapidly expanding MILITARY BASES , you can NOT afford to lose one guy, to send to those desolate areas , where the majority of indigenous people resent U.S. military presence .
From AFRICOM to bases in Paraguay , FKN bases in PARAGUAY , why the hell do we need BASES in PARAGUAY . A. for an attack on Venezuela . B. largest source for fresh water in South America B. One of the largest transit routes for DRUGS runs through there .
U. S. military is over budgeted , and obscenely equipped with every weapon system known , not to defend the U.S. , but to use as a tool for expansion of U.S. control and economic gain . Always has and since the neocons took over , it's in HYPER DRIVE .
McCain's masters are in LONDON , the economic center of the world and knows U.S. military is part of the trifecta , the Vatican being the third part to keep the people in line . Why else would the Rothschilds provide a huge secret fund raiser for him in London , the Rothchild's lol...gesuuz I had to learn about them on YOUTUBE . Warburg a Rohtchilds business partner helped create the Federal Reserve Cabal in 1913 . You know where afterwards Woodrow Wilson " regretted " approving the Fed , admitting he handed over the economic power of the U.S. over to a cabal of greedy and dangerous bastards .
All about connecting the DOTS ba-by .
The context of McCain's statement needs to be considered. His attack on Obama is in response to Obama's criticism of McCain for not supporting the latest G.I. bill which gives increased education benefits to returning soldiers. McCain's argument against the bill is that (and I quote) "Most worrying to me, is that by hurting retention we will reduce the numbers of men and women who we train to become the backbone of all the services, the noncommissioned officer."
So in other words, McCain's position is that by giving educational benefits to returning veterans we are giving them opportunities to learn to do something other than re-enlist in the Army. It is better, in his mind, to keep them ignorant of anything other than military life so that they have no options other than to re-enlist.
That is sure supporting the troops!
Gretchen @ 29:
right on. Obama is clearly the CHANGE candidate. not this prickly old fool, John McCain. when it comes to change its usually not embodied by old, Republican, Bush 3, warmonger, and white male. and that's JM.
So McSame has already been reduced to the basic statement: "But he was never in the military" to try and point out the inexperience of Obama in national defense matters? How laughable. Exactly what were the military experience credentials of Feith, Cheney and Dumbya? How'd "their military experience" help out the past few years? And how's that militarily crucial surge going thus far? Thanks, but no thanks, Mac.
George @ 85:
If he thinks retention is going to be hurt by offering a four year paid education, perhaps he should consider the retention problems he'll face by continued occupation of Iraq and/or an invasion of Iran.
How can they say McCain has character? How can they say we know him? He talks out the side of his face and contradicts himself on a weekly basis. What a bunch of shit. Why do people watch these shows anyway? Everytime I watch a clip here I get pissed off.
Karen, #82 - the Obama campaign SHOULD call you!
Didn't McCain surrender when he served in the military? How else would he have become a POW?
McCain surrendered. He fails the Commander-in-Chief test.
Game over.
General election comes down to three states. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania; win two of three and you're the Commander and Chief (of the armed services, not "we the people"). Right now (May 2008) Barack has a huge problem regarding the white people in these three states, and he has to win them over. It's not going to help that Howard Dean and the DNC has already "gifted Florida (and Michigan) to McCain; so Mr. Obama simply must win the other two of the three. If he doesn't then we may see another popular vote winning, electoral college losing Democrat wondering along with the rest of the country muttering to ourselves "how in f*ck did this happen?"
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