Face The Nation: Graham Gives McCain Credit For The Surge; Durbin Chides McCain For Not Supporting The GI Bill
By Nicole Belle Saturday May 24, 2008 5:00pmHere all this time I thought Bush was listening to the "generals on the ground" when he decided to authorize the escalation that he likes to call a "surge". How silly of me. Senator Lindsey Graham gives credit where credit is due: John McCain was the person to suggest adding more military personnel to Baghdad to allow the Iraqis the subdued violence necessary to get their fledgling government working. So, how'd that turn out, Lindsey? By the way, did you hear that al-Sistani has issued a new fatwa against Americans in Iraq? Heckuva a job there.
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By all means, let's tie John McSame to the surge. I'm sure the families of all the troop members killed and injured during the last 16 months would like to know who was responsible. And as Sen. Dick Durbin points out, it's not as if McCain cares about them once they're home either, given his opposition to the Webb GI Bill. The Republican defense, as delivered by Graham (but verbatim from every other GOPer on a news show): it encourages people to leave the service. No, you farkin' idiot, stop lossing troops through 3, 4 and 5 tours of duty in Iraq encourages people to leave the service. Supporting them for their service is the least we can do.
Durbin took exception with Graham's remarks, however, likening them to an ad created by a 527 committee, Veterans for Freedom (on whose advisory board Graham and Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., both sit). That ad accuses Obama of refusing to meet with General David Petraeus or go to Iraq.
"I would say to Senator Graham and Senator Lieberman, take a look at this ad," Durbin said. "This really is misleading and it really shouldn't be out in this part of the campaign. And I wonder how their being involved in it ... is consistent with Senator McCain's recent statement saying that if you have a title or a position in his campaign, you shouldn't get involved in a 527 that produces negative ads."
Oh suh-nap!
Full transcripts below the fold.
SCHIEFFER: OK. Well, let's talk about some of the issues that are going to be coming up in the fall campaign if Senator Obama or Senator Clinton gets the nomination, running against Senator McCain. And I would just say, my guess is that the war, even though we haven't talked about it very much lately, is going to be one of the major divides in this campaign. Senator Graham, how is Senator McCain going to handle this? After all, it's a war that not many people are very enthusiastic about right now.
Sen. GRAHAM: Well, I think Senator McCain'll make a--make a case that he saw what was wrong in Iraq for four years, Bob. As you know, we had the wrong strategy. I went with--to Iraq many times with Senator McCain, and it was clear to him we did not have enough troops and we were going backwards instead of forwards. And he's the one that advocated more troops when most people in Congress wanted to pull out. After we lost the 2006 election, the Republicans lost the House and the Senate, people running for the exit signs. And John McCain said, `No, the right strategy is better security. We need additional combat power to allow the Iraqi people some breathing space.' And the surge was accepted by President Bush. And now here we are a year and a half later. In July of last year, 59 votes to set timetables to withdraw. This supplemental that was voted on Thursday, not one person came to the floor and said `the war was lost, we need to get out of Iraq.' And Senator Obama keeps talking about an immediate withdrawal, as soon as he gets to be president. The last time, I understand, he was in Iraq was in 2006. I would recommend that he go back. So much has happened since 2006 on the ground. It's been extraordinary. He's never really had a one on one with General Petraeus. Go back and talk--go to Iraq and talk to General Petraeus, talk to the Maliki government and see how things have changed. And he's a good man. I think if he would look at what's happened in Iraq, talk to General Petraeus and Maliki, I think he'd have a different view of what you need to do next. And I know it's the campaign season. You know, I would recommend to Senator McCain that they both go together, go to Iraq, get a briefing from our generals and talk to Prime Minister Maliki about the way ahead, the way forward. Because a lot's changed in 2006. I think it'd serve the country well to have that joint briefing.
SCHIEFFER: Well, do you think Senator McCain'd be interested in going to Iraq with Senator Obama? Are you proposing that, Senator Graham?
Sen. GRAHAM: Well, I think it'd be good for the country, because the next president's going to have to deal with Iraq. And so much has changed since Senator Obama was there. The testimony recently of General Petraeus and Odierno--the progress by the Iraqi government toward reconciliation, the fighting in the Sadr City against the Iranian militia--yes, I would think it would be good for Senator Obama to go back and see what's happened in two years.
SCHIEFFER: OK.
Sen. GRAHAM: And sit down with General Petraeus, what he hasn't done, and I--and if it's a campaign issue, I think both of them should go together. I'd recommend that...
SCHIEFFER: All right. Well...
Sen. GRAHAM: ...they have the same briefing.
SCHIEFFER: We're going to have to take a break for a commercial, but I want to get to Senator Durbin's reaction to that suggestion when we come back in just 60 seconds.
SCHIEFFER: Senator Durbin, what about this idea that Lindsey Graham has just proposed, that Senator McCain and Senator Obama go to Iraq together, get some briefings and just make an assessment of what's going on there, and doing it during the campaign, before the election?
Sen. DURBIN: I'm not going to suggest what Senator Obama's schedule or Senator McCain's schedule's going to be in the remaining few months before the November election. I would hope that Senator McCain would join Senator Obama in meeting with some returning veterans and soldiers who enthusiastically support the GI Bill which John McCain opposes. I think that Senator McCain would come to realize that these veterans deserve the same good treatment coming back from this war as those who returned from World War II. The second point I'd like to make is Senator Obama is not calling for the immediate withdrawal of troops, he's calling for an orderly, responsible withdrawal from Iraq. In the sixth year of this war, I think that that's long overdue, and I think he's on the right track. But the last point I want to make, Bob, is one that I noticed in some of the comments of my friend Lindsey Graham. He made reference to this one on one with Petraeus. I can just tell you point blank that Barack Obama has had his opportunity to meet with Genera Petraeus, he has questioned him in committee. They have had this exchange in dialogue. So this is nothing new. But this is unfortunately coming out of a script from a group called Veterans for Freedom, which Senator Graham and Senator Lieberman are on the advisory board of. This is a 527 that has produced an attack ad on Barack Obama, and that's unfortunate. It's unfortunate because they use an Illinois soldier, a Guardsman named Garrett Anderson, a staff sergeant who was a victim of an IED who lost part of his right arm and had traumatic head injuries. Senator Obama and I both worked hard for this veteran to get him the disability that he was entitled to. I visited with him in his home and I just--I would say to Senator Graham and to Senator Lieberman, take a look at this ad. This really is misleading and it really shouldn't be out in this part of the campaign. And I wonder how their being involved in it--these senators being involved in it--is consistent with Senator McCain's recent statement saying that if you have a title or position in this campaign, you shouldn't get involved in a 527 that produces negative ads.
SCHIEFFER: OK. Well, let's give Senator Graham a chance to quickly respond to that.
Sen. GRAHAM: I haven't been involved in anybody's ad. The facts are that Senator Obama hasn't been to Iraq since 2006. A lot has changed. He has said that if he got to be president, everybody'd be out by next year. General Petraeus at the hearing said he thought a precipitous withdrawal would undercut our efforts. He's never sat down and talked with the commander of the forces over in Iraq. I would recommend that he go back to Iraq. A lot's changed in two years. And if it's politics, let both of them go. Nobody's at a disadvantage. As far as veterans, Senator McCain wants to do two things: help those who serve and leave, but he's not going to support a bill that CBO says will hurt retention by 16 percent, give $52 billion to the people who want to leave the military and nothing for those who will stay. Sit down with military families who want to make the military a career, and ask them about Senator McCain's proposal to allow more benefits if you stay around longer and let the military member transfer the benefits to their child or their spouse, so they can go to college. Sit down with the people in uniform and see if they would like something for their continued service. The idea of Iraq is important. You need to make informed judgments. How can you make an informed judgment about Iraq if you haven't been there in two years?
SCHIEFFER: All right. Thirty seconds to respond, Senator Durbin. We're out of time here.
Sen. DURBIN: I can just tell you, the major veterans' groups support this bipartisan bill. When Senator Graham tried to raise an alternative bill by Senator McCain on the floor, six of his Republicans joined with Senator Webb and Warner and Hagel in a bipartisan effort for a bill that John McCain opposes, a bill for a new GI Bill that will give our returning veterans the same benefits as those who returned after World War II. Barack Obama supports that. I think it's the right thing to do for our troops.








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McCain doesn't know there are Shiites and Sunnis, doesn't care either.
Why does McCain mistrust the troops?
Why do McCain, Graham, and all the others who opposed the Webb bill, think that our troops only serve for the money? They're always praising the troops' patriotism, but then they're afraid to offer full scholarships after 3 years service, because apparently they think those same patriotic troops will bolt for the exits to grab the scholastic bennies. Seems kinda cynical, eh?
McCain’s GI Bill Named for ‘The Eagles’: ‘Welcome to the Hotel Baghdad Mournya’
Every day most likely several times a day talking heads are out there in TV, radio, and the Internets saying over and over again that the surge worked. They do so without much worry about any kind of back lash or challenge almost to the point where it is becoming excepted. Much like Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet and John Kerry is a flip-flopper. Until every time one of these Fascists or Fascist enablers makes the claim that everyone agrees that the surge worked is slapped down and slapped down hard it will only do McCain good to be tied to the surge.
saw on another booblehead show where a rethug was saying that this congress has lower appoval numbers rhan the chimp that's where the person from across the isle said it's because it's because the rethugs keep filibustering the things that are important to the people god I would have lied to wipe that smug look off the rethugs face he went on to say that the farm bill and energy bill were rethug successes what successes just more excessive spending for their friends.
we all know reality has a liberal bias to bad the rethugs have to have their own little fantasy land
As long as Obama decides never to let McCain get away with the kind of dishonesty that Graham showed, McCain won't stand a chance. You don't support the troops or respect the troops by stating publicly that the only reason anyone is serving in the Armed Forces is for the benefits. You insult them, plain and simple.
I'm only hope Obama doesn't listen to any Democrat who advises kid gloves against McCain. Be fair, be honest, be factual -- but beat him with his own vacillations and with his own publicly stated positions -- and don't let him get away with anything.
How can anyone suggest that Obama go to Iraq, considering that we have Hillary 'Hinting' that Obama could be assassinated, we have Blackwater, and Rep Issa wanting support of Blackwater while 'hinting' that a prominent politician not ask questions of his company because that person wouldn't want any 'accidents to happen to them if they visit Iraq.
It sounds to me like Obama shouldn't dare take up Graham on his offer. The risk is too high.
I wouldn't consider ANYTHING beneath a Neocon.
Could be my ears but did I hear Graham say "General Betrayus?!" Skip to 1'44".
If mccain takes the credit for the surge, shouldn't he also accept the blame for the additional deaths both American and Iraqi?
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Hillary "hinted" no such thing. She was only establishing that other candidates were still running as late as June, including her own husband, who didn't come to the forefront until he won California in June.
You're using a reichwing talking-point. In the New York Times today, there's an article about how other reporters are upset at the way this story has been mismanaged by the media. They seem to be using the Washington Times, and the Drudge report coverage of the events, both far reichwing.
Lindsay Graham is an effete Republican elitist. The folks of South Carolina may not realize they elected a woman back in 2002. I'm glad he doesn't represent me. In Virginia, we have two MEN representing the state: John Warner and Jim Webb.
if i were obama, i'd be as leery of a trip to iraq with mcSAME as i would be with hillary...
oh, you don't think... nah... surely not...
Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani has not issued a FATVA againt American troops yet.
If he had issued a FATWA against American troops, there would have been serious bloodshed all over IRAQ by now.
And for your information i have to add that this FATVA issuing againt Americans is just a blatant rumour spread by AP. everyone has denied it including Ayatollah Sistani's office.
Please do a search and then say somethign.
Breakspear, speaking of effete have you ever seen Tom Delay swish into a room? He walks like
Truman Capote. As far as the surge goes, I think the "surge" of cash that is being forked over to buy
cooperation has as much to do with anything as the troop surge.
Obama better pack his bags because they are going to hound him on this if he doesn't "git on over there" and start sending back some Pics of him talking to the troops in the Green Zone, Camp Stryker, Camp Headhunter, Camp Viper and Camp Warhorse or any of the 14 `enduring bases' now in Iraq.
(from article) "The remarks were made amid reports that the Iraqi government might sign a long-term framework agreement with the United States, under which Washington would be allowed to set up permanent military bases in the country and US citizens would be granted immunity from legal prosecution in the country."
If that's not Imperial, what is? I agree with al-Sistani. Would Americans accept this if they were being occupied??
Whats he going to say "uhhh I don't know man it's dangerous over there".
RayC @ 4:
Rest easy my friend. The immediate benefits of the surge will come apart by November. What will McCain have to say then?
In other news:
You can fool some of the people some of the time but if you're a Republican preznit you can fool the 28 percenters all of the time.
Bush cons motor cycle group into thinking he gives a rat's posterior about their concerns about the needs of veterans. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080525/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush
i've never doubted that obama would be making his own trip to iraq, on his own terms,
in his own time...
graham (hey! shut that closet door!) was just trying to start another pissing match...
looks like he's making headway here...
Amin @ 13:
I agree, no Fatwa yet, but it's coming. The anti-US Shite and Sunni elements (the majority) will not allow this agreement to go through. If Maliki proceeds, he's finished. The parliment will disolve.
yakfitguy @ 18:
If it's after the Election and he loses "It's not our problem".
If the surge worked, we should bring our heroes home and send the neo-conservatives over to occupy Iraq.
Shiite Cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, has issued a fatwa forbidding Iraqis from selling food to Americans
Janet @ 24:
I wouldn't eat it anyway if I was over there. Not in a war zone I wouldn't.
This is OT, but I have to go to work now, and there is no Mid-day open thread today. I don't want C&L-ers to miss this. FUX news Jokes About Killing Obama:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
The surge hasn't worked, it's just now the Iraqis are in lock-down, in ghettoes. It may appear better (more orderly??), but the hatred and distrust is still simmering inside.
Whitehouse @ 8:
That's what I heard also, some sort of slip you knpw. Lindsey's smile is as phoney as he is.
For once I agree with Sen. Graham: credit McCain with the surge. Let's tie that albatross right around his neck.
Whitehouse @ 8:
I hear what you are saying...
Still nothing on Fox News "journalist" calling for Obama to be assassinated. Literally. No exaggeration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
Lindsey Graham, political genius and verbose lapdog, gives mcAin't credit for being a "better boosh". That should work out very well!
So, Lindsey Graham wants Mr. Obama to go to Iraq to assess the situation?
Graham comes on like an ol' hardened combat vet when in fact the only thing that numbnuts did while he was there was visit a street bazaar. Wow, I'm impressed. He didn't see shit, and he stands there bloviating about how great Iraq is doing.
Ten to one, Lindsey scoped out the Baghdad airport men's room doing the Larry Craig tap-toe ballet.
ouch!
Lindsey Graham exposed for involvement in 527.
Bullshit Bob Schieffer can't stop the flood of facts.
ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch! ouch!
*I think that left a mark*
Didn't Lindsay Graham play that little girl on, Little House on the Prarie?
That snob should appreciate his nose while he still has one.
lilybelle @ 28:
great minds think alike! ;<[)
Atilla the Appeaser, Bitter Despot @ 34:
I think Larry Craig got arrested thinking he'd be meeting Graham.
*NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.*
lilybelle Says @ 28:
For once I agree with Sen. Graham: credit McCain with the surge. Let’s tie that albatross right around his neck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U
To be honest, I too give MCcain credit for the surge. He was the one going to the media and trying to convince everyone that it was the right thing to do. The problem is that the surge was a failure and they are now trying to convince everyone that it was a success.
This is great! I've been thinking over the past few days that the one thing that's missing from Obama's campaign is a team of people on-hand to respond to the swiftboating and other smear campaigns that are out there attacking Obama, so that Obama himself can stay away from that negative campaigning, not be on the defensive, and stay on his positive campaign messages.
Looks like Sen. Durbin is on that team!
sherifffruitfly @ 30:
Thanks for that. I am appalled to say the least. I wrote FAUX Noise and let them know how I felt about it. I also found this longer version of the same interview with Liz Trotta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-AxdVWZFvM
When are you going to update this post to correct the misinformation there about Sistani issuing a fatwa against U.S. troops?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/2022631/Iran-'paid-Iraq-insurgents-to-kill-UK-soldiers'.html
Another good reason to talk with Iran without preconditions.
The Dems should pound McCain and the GOP often and hard on this issue of not supporting the GI Bill which given their constant uber-patriotism,is an unequivocal disgrace.
I give McCain credit when he evaluated the Iraq war as "whack-a-mole". From what I see, the (so called temporary) surge has driven a lot of moles underground, where they sit. I don't see a shift in the fundamentals, the Sunnis who are now cooperating are being paid off, the Shiites are ideologically aligned with Iran, Ahmadinejad gets a red carpet rollout when visiting Iraq, and our President has to sneak in and use decoy aircraft to get out of Iraq. So far, the Iraq war is a huge win for Iran. I think there is a good chance that the situation will deteriorate when the surge ends. If I was an adversary, I would do what I could do to keep the U.S. troops bogged down, so that they can't be used elsewhere. The cash drain is weakening the U.S. economy, and devaluing the dollar which will erode the U.S. ability to wage war elsewhere. And we're not going to be able to pull out our troops so long as we insist that America run and pumps Iraq's oil.
I remember this in Vietnam. Around Jan 27, 1973, the war was "won". Didn't stay "won" for long however. I think the surge has given a temporary respite, not a permanent move forward and is a situation that could rapidly unravel, in which case we have wasted another year and $100B, while the conclusion remains "6 months away", or in McCain, within the next 100 years.
breakspear @ 11:
That's a little harsh... but now that I think about he does like to go on shopping trips to Baghdad. Ummm...... You may have something there. Not that there is anything wrong with shopping. Or women. I love em as much as the next guy.
SweetAtheist @ 30:
My thought exactly. Perhaps he was saying what we were thinking.
John McCain didn't show up for the vote. That tells you alot.
Whitehouse @ 8:
Funny, I thought so too, when it was on the teevee this morning.
L.A. Confidential @ 15:
Sad, but probably true. This is just the kind of non-story that Fux (and eventually the rest of MSM) will run with, now that Rev. Wright is out of the scene. Unfortunately, he'll probably have to go--and sooner will be better than later--as Middle Amerikkka , God bless their petty little brains, will make this an issue.
"No, you fuckin’ idiot, stop lossing troops through 3, 4 and 5 tours of duty in Iraq encourages people to leave the service. Supporting them for their service is the least we can do."
FIFY
;-}
Whitehouse @ 8:
at 1'31' also
It's patently obvious that no republican has ever taken the oath to "tell the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth."
Graham tries to make the point that "he’s not going to support a bill that CBO says will hurt retention by 16 percent."
But he conveniently leaves out the rebuttal that the very same report he cites from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) also concludes from their analysis that you'll keep (or possibly increase) the number of troops - and you'll most assuredly get a higher-level of recruit:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/92xx/doc9212/s22.pdf
As always w/ this administration - the devil is in the details.
Hard to beat graham when it comes to dancing, he should be on one of those tv shows that no one watches where they dance for prizes and fake fame. Isn't he just the spitting image of tinkerbell. I wonder if gee-ham knows which end of a gun is which having never served combat duty. He was never even out of country when any shooting was going on. Left up to him he would have more glitter and bobbles on his uniform than a 1950s caddie, what a two faced fucking little weasel he is!---CEO
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I've read McCain's position on why he doesn't want to further enhance the GI Bill and if my military career mind is working properly, I think he's been playing too much "Hold'em Texas" with GWB. Effectively he's saying that to enhance this bill might cause more trained men and women to leave the military in purusit of a better life. Well god forbid if we should have that!
The military compensates military personnel enough for a comfortable keep if you'r single but the married ones face a hard time with each and every extension to their families. Denying personnel due opportunities to excel, though outside the military is a cruel thing to do. Even if John McCain is a former war hero (in another bad war of course), he seems to have lost a lot of his edge in beinga hero for military people. He might be a pretty president if he can just get off his knees from GWB's foot-stool.
VOTE for OBAMA in November!
'Lindsie' Graham is a bone-smoker
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