And to think, this is just the start. We have months of this kind of nonsense ahead of us. No discussion or dissection of policy issues. None on any items of substance to our lives. Sound blips to be taken in whatever context the deliverer so chooses.

And then the ultimate attack will come about three days before the election when the wingers and compliant media release a “Obama killed and ate his dog” type of out there story (can you imagine if the whole Madrassa/Muslim story hit just prior to the election? Look at how many people still believe it!) and that will be that.

There is nothing these criminals won’t do to retain power. And since we are a population of the dumbest kind, it will work.

Live Frankly

It’s as if Republicans woke up yesterday, ate a bowl of Crazy Flakes, and then went straight for their keyboards.

What's with the "as if"?

It's because they have nothing, so therefore they are nothing. and McCain is old and doesnt represent change, only the past. McCain has such an ego and yet no one mentions how he comes across, at times, that he thinks he's 'entitled' to the presidency. no, sir, youre not. the American people by voting determine if you're 'entitled' to it. so get with it.

"Republicans instantly turned the Outrage Machine to 11..."

There's no contest. You cannot go against the godfather of gaffe, McWeTalktoIranAlltheTime

the wingnuts need to tread lightly when it comes to the holocaust...for it was their god reagan who placed a wreath at a cemetery where ss officers were interred

and their current prez grandpa traded with the bastards and helped hitler's rise to power

so obama got confused about auschwitz and buchenwald...i am sure his unc didnt talk about it much

the other big thing they are railing on is that it was his great uncle...but no one calls their great uncle, great uncle

the point of the story was to inform those there that his family too had been touched by the disorder that the va doesnt even want to diagnose anymore....ptsd

his great uncle experience awful horrors in the war

that was it

but the repugs are grasping at straws

they are trying to paint obama as gore 2, or kerry 2, or carter 2...aint gonna happen

MsJoanne @ 1:

And to think, this is just the start. We have months of this kind of nonsense ahead of us. No discussion or dissection of policy issues. None on any items of substance to our lives. Sound blips to be taken in whatever context the deliverer so chooses.

And then the ultimate attack will come about three days before the election when the wingers and compliant media release a “Obama killed and ate his dog” type of out there story (can you imagine if the whole Madrassa/Muslim story hit just prior to the election? Look at how many people still believe it!) and that will be that.

There is nothing these criminals won’t do to retain power. And since we are a population of the dumbest kind, it will work.

So true !! Thanks for this !! Sad as it is !!!

Live Frankly

Norm over at One Good Move is using this mistake to make a rather petty point. Keep in mind that his fervent support for Clinton has caused quite an irrational fall from party loyalty -- the only thing he hates more than Obama is Obama's supporters. But still, his persistent and obstinate attacks on Obama are always entertaining.

Howard Dean and John Kerry are doing a great job at making excuses for Obama's lies. First we heard about the 1.6 million dollar home Obama couldn't afford but teamed up with a criminal to by the house at the same time he became Senator. But Obama says it was a misstep aka lie. Obama turned on his Minister of twenty years on the advice of Kerry and Kennedy. Now Obama takes Memorial day to give his Uncle's experience but messed up and I'm glad he didn't add his Father's experience in Kenya to the story. Again the choice word for Obama's lies is misspoke. Obama misspoke, misstep or lied when he said his Father got his US Education Grant from John F. Kennedy, only problem was Kennedy never did do that but the Kennedy Family gave money long after Obama's Father went home. But the story sound good at the time and people will believe anything because of course Obama is Jesus. Next Obama will say he wrote John Kennedy's famous speech, people just might buy that lie too.

Obama misspeaks about the name and the Repugs react as if that was worse than the deliberate, bald faced lies of resident Bush and his punk bitch John McCain.

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 11:

the wingnuts need to tread lightly when it comes to the holocaust...for it was their god reagan who placed a wreath at a cemetery where ss officers were interred

and their current prez grandpa traded with the bastards and helped hitler's rise to power

so obama got confused about auschwitz and buchenwald...i am sure his unc didnt talk about it much

the other big thing they are railing on is that it was his great uncle...but no one calls their great uncle, great uncle

the point of the story was to inform those there that his family too had been touched by the disorder that the va doesnt even want to diagnose anymore....ptsd

his great uncle experience awful horrors in the war

that was it

but the repugs are grasping at straws

they are trying to paint obama as gore 2, or kerry 2, or carter 2...aint gonna happen

You are so right about the "great uncle thing"!!!! My niece's children are still my nieces and nephews!! They never refer to me as " Great Uncle " !!! What the f--K?????

P. fuc- ing S. Many Repugs don't have any war stories to tell/share!! Bush, Cheney, Russ, O'rilley, Rice, etc !!!!

PS 2 The PTSD is such a serious situation. While the P and VP hold their hand over ther heart as gesture of loyalty, it makes my blood boil. They didn't fight in any war, actually they escaped it and I don't want to even go there !! They are losers!!!! They caused the death of more than 4000 US men and Women all for the greed of oil money !!!!!

Oh yeah, as Steve mentions, the people at redstate were all "outraged" about such an insignificant mistake, but none of them dare mention all the many times that their patron saint McCaint has confused Sunni with Shiite, etc.

Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 24:

This is the only thing they can come up with? For real?
You know how this went down don’t you? In the Obama family over the past 60 years this story has been told. 60 years. Over time in a family story some of the facts get blurred. Over 60 (sixty) years one concentration camp seems like every other concentration camp. Hell, after 5 years one concentration camp seems like all the other concentration camps (In fact I would like any one of the right wing nut jobs who have turned the Outrage Machine to 11 to name 5 different concentration camps… I’ll give them the name of 3 of them. lol). If it were my family, after a few years, Uncle Joe would have become “dad” and in the story dad would have liberated all the concentration camps on his own with a knife while fighting off nazi tanks while all his buddies were sleeping. At least Obama’s Uncle wasn’t out crashing million dollar jets over Viet Nam and burning up aircraft carriers.

Thank You for this !!!!!!

When did McCain burn up an aircraft carrier?

Jackie @ 17:

Howard Dean and John Kerry are doing a great job at making excuses for Obama's lies. First we heard about the 1.6 million dollar home Obama couldn't afford but teamed up with a criminal to by the house at the same time he became Senator. But Obama says it was a misstep aka lie. Obama turned on his Minister of twenty years on the advice of Kerry and Kennedy. Now Obama takes Memorial day to give his Uncle's experience but messed up and I'm glad he didn't add his Father's experience in Kenya to the story. Again the choice word for Obama's lies is misspoke. Obama misspoke, misstep or lied when he said his Father got his US Education Grant from John F. Kennedy, only problem was Kennedy never did do that but the Kennedy Family gave money long after Obama's Father went home. But the story sound good at the time and people will believe anything because of course Obama is Jesus. Next Obama will say he wrote John Kennedy's famous speech, people just might buy that lie too.

OK, Obama lied. Welcome to politics, an ethical profession it ain't. And pretending that Captain Change will bring any more or any better change than Captain Crazy is foolish, but so is believing that Captain Hillary is better just because she's female. Politicians are amoral, and this is the First World, not some Third World shithole where these questions would be settled with an exchange of bullets, though the way things seem to be getting here, someday that might not be as unlikely as I hope.

If you think whatever politician you're for doesn't lie, you've got another think coming, sweetcakes.

It's not odd or unpredictable that the GOP would pounce on this gaffe. The GOP game plan is to paint Obama as inexperienced and naive, and Obama getting historical and geographical facts wrong is just the sort of thing that reinforces this meme.

Of course, the important counterpoint to keep in mind is that Obama knows the difference between the Sunni and Shiite tribes in Iraq. McCain requires minders present at his side to keep him from wandering off the farm when it comes to these little inconveniences--like remembering who the hell our allies and enemies are in Iraq.

Apart from right-wing blogs, this story didn't play well. I think most fair minded American's realize that the candidates have been running an intensive and prolonged electoral battle and are simply exhausted. People give Obama a pass when he talks about visiting 57 states, or his uncle liberating Auchwitz. They realize he knows the facts, but is simply misspeaking.

This trend gives me hope. Normally, we would be treated to elections where these sorts of ancillary issues take center stage. I think the American people want a substantive, meaningful debate on the future of our country. They simply don't want to be distracted by faux controversies.

Politics, and the process, like the HAL 9000 computer on board the spaceship Discovery in the film 2001: A Space Odyssey, is out of the control of its makers.

POdVet Says:

Charles T. Payne’s unit did not liberate Buchenwald. Ohrdruf was a work camp–not a pleasant place–but not a death camp.

POdVet's an ass. Let's see what a famous Soon to Be Republican President had to say about Ohrdruf:

After his visit, Eisenhower cabled General George C. Marshall, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington, describing his trip to Ohrdruf:

. . .the most interesting--although horrible--sight that I encountered during the trip was a visit to a German internment camp near Gotha. The things I saw beggar description. While I was touring the camp I encountered three men who had been inmates and by one ruse or another had made their escape. I interviewed them through an interpreter. The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 'propaganda.'

Oh, and let's see, not a death camp, eh? Hmmm....

In late March 1945, the camp had a prisoner population of some 11,700, but in early April the SS evacuated almost all the prisoners on death marches to Buchenwald. The SS guards killed many of the remaining prisoners who were too ill to walk to the railcars.

And what do you think happened to them at Buchenwald? Breakfast burritos and caberet sauvignon for everyone?

Oh, and what about old Blood and Guts Patton? Let's see what HE had to say about Ohrdruf:

He (Patton) described it (Ohrdruf) as "one of the most appalling sights that I have ever seen." He recounted in his diary that

"In a shed . . . was a pile of about 40 completely naked human bodies in the last stages of emaciation. These bodies were lightly sprinkled with lime, not for the purposes of destroying them, but for the purpose of removing the stench. When the shed was full--I presume its capacity to be about 200, the bodies were taken to a pit a mile from the camp where they were buried. The inmates claimed that 3,000 men, who had been either shot in the head or who had died of starvation, had been so buried since the 1st of January. When we began to approach with our troops, the Germans thought it expedient to remove the evidence of their crime. Therefore, they had some of the slaves exhume the bodies and place them on a mammoth griddle composed of 60-centimeter railway tracks laid on brick foundations. They poured pitch on the bodies and then built a fire of pinewood and coal under them. They were not very successful in their operations because there was a pile of human bones, skulls, charred torsos on or under the griddle which must have accounted for many hundreds."

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General_Rennenkampf @ 29:

Jackie @ 17:

Howard Dean and John Kerry are doing a great job at making excuses for Obama's lies. First we heard about the 1.6 million dollar home Obama couldn't afford but teamed up with a criminal to by the house at the same time he became Senator. But Obama says it was a misstep aka lie. Obama turned on his Minister of twenty years on the advice of Kerry and Kennedy. Now Obama takes Memorial day to give his Uncle's experience but messed up and I'm glad he didn't add his Father's experience in Kenya to the story. Again the choice word for Obama's lies is misspoke. Obama misspoke, misstep or lied when he said his Father got his US Education Grant from John F. Kennedy, only problem was Kennedy never did do that but the Kennedy Family gave money long after Obama's Father went home. But the story sound good at the time and people will believe anything because of course Obama is Jesus. Next Obama will say he wrote John Kennedy's famous speech, people just might buy that lie too.

OK, Obama lied. Welcome to politics, an ethical profession it ain't. And pretending that Captain Change will bring any more or any better change than Captain Crazy is foolish, but so is believing that Captain Hillary is better just because she's female. Politicians are amoral, and this is the First World, not some Third World shithole where these questions would be settled with an exchange of bullets, though the way things seem to be getting here, someday that might not be as unlikely as I hope.

If you think whatever politician you're for doesn't lie, you've got another think coming, sweetcakes.

So what you're saying is. They're basically the same. Right?

POdVet @ 28:

Well this lie is still being sorted out but...
Here’s what we know for sure:

1. No Charles W. Payne enlisted in or was drafted into the Army from Kansas according to extant Kansas records 1941-43.

2. Obama’s grandmother Payne family has not C.T. Payne. Her brother was Charles W. Payne.

3. The C.T. Payne in the 89th who is said by the Kitchell 89th website to have been at the liberation of Buchenwald is not listed joining Army from Kansas 1941-43.

4. Two C.W. Paynes are listed joining Navy in 1942 frm Kansas. Charles .W. Payne born Kansas City Jan 4 1924 and died 2000 is not Obama relative.

4. Charles W. Payne who joined Navy Reno County is the likely suspect.

So from what can be verified as truth seperated from the obvious lies from the Obama camp, it appears that yet again it is PURE BS! I will keep you updated as this blatant lie is fully investigated for the truth rather than the Kool Aid you are being fed by the Obamatons.

Post some links if you have any.

OT--

"Prison Nation" on National Geographic Channel.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/features/article_1376282.p...

Great show on the realities of prison life today. Having done more than my share of county time, I knew better than to go "up" a notch.

Oh, how the BushCo Syndicate deserves to be here....

ron Ft lauderale @ 21:

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 11:

You are so right about the "great uncle thing"!!!! My niece's children are still my nieces and nephews!! They never refer to me as " Great Uncle " !!! What the f--K?????

P. fuc- ing S. Many Repugs don't have any war stories to tell/share!! Bush, Cheney, Russ, O'rilley, Rice, etc !!!!

PS 2 The PTSD is such a serious situation. While the P and VP hold their hand over ther heart as gesture of loyalty, it makes my blood boil. They didn't fight in any war, actually they escaped it and I don't want to even go there !! They are losers!!!! They caused the death of more than 4000 US men and Women all for the greed of oil money !!!!!

I refer to my great aunts and uncles with the "great" in there, but I address them as "Aunt" and "Uncle". When he was alive, I addressed my great grandfather as "Great Grampa".

mike @ 2:

i was amused when this non-headline was chased off the wires by the leaks from mcclellan's book.

nobody really cares about this. but you're right, the repubs keep trying to make a thing out of it, like they keep bringing up the 57 state thing. so what? it was obviously a slip of the tongue. maybe next time he'll say something off hand about how it would be better in a dictatorship if he was the dictator, THEN i'll consider it a scandal.

Thank you!

This repug bs won't amount to a hill of beans. Unlike hill and mccain Sen. Obama doesn't make up whole stories to look like some kind of hero or superhuman. It was a simple mistake.

repugs and hill are liars to the end

diamondmc @ 38:

POdVet @ 28:

Well this lie is still being sorted out but...
Here’s what we know for sure:

1. No Charles W. Payne enlisted in or was drafted into the Army from Kansas according to extant Kansas records 1941-43.

2. Obama’s grandmother Payne family has not C.T. Payne. Her brother was Charles W. Payne.

3. The C.T. Payne in the 89th who is said by the Kitchell 89th website to have been at the liberation of Buchenwald is not listed joining Army from Kansas 1941-43.

4. Two C.W. Paynes are listed joining Navy in 1942 frm Kansas. Charles .W. Payne born Kansas City Jan 4 1924 and died 2000 is not Obama relative.

4. Charles W. Payne who joined Navy Reno County is the likely suspect.

So from what can be verified as truth seperated from the obvious lies from the Obama camp, it appears that yet again it is PURE BS! I will keep you updated as this blatant lie is fully investigated for the truth rather than the Kool Aid you are being fed by the Obamatons.

Post some links if you have any.

Are you a "jack of all trades" jackass or jusy a plain jackass who really knows very little about the real world??????

To each is own !! Right?? No pressure!!

Guess who I saw on CNBC today? Ann Coulter. Her screed today was that Obama was getting a free pass in the liberal media ( what liberal media?).

They are using the fact that the corporate media has a love affair with McCain to try to frame their meida message of the media coverage of Obama. I wonder if it will work this time?

Andy K Jong Il @ 43:

ron Ft lauderale @ 21:

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 11:

You are so right about the "great uncle thing"!!!! My niece's children are still my nieces and nephews!! They never refer to me as " Great Uncle " !!! What the f--K?????

P. fuc- ing S. Many Repugs don't have any war stories to tell/share!! Bush, Cheney, Russ, O'rilley, Rice, etc !!!!

PS 2 The PTSD is such a serious situation. While the P and VP hold their hand over ther heart as gesture of loyalty, it makes my blood boil. They didn't fight in any war, actually they escaped it and I don't want to even go there !! They are losers!!!! They caused the death of more than 4000 US men and Women all for the greed of oil money !!!!!

I refer to my great aunts and uncles with the "great" in there, but I address them as "Aunt" and "Uncle". When he was alive, I addressed my great grandfather as "Great Grampa".

You had a "Great Grampa" too? Me too. WOW

Mithridates @ 12:

I can see it now, the rallying cry for the GOP in 2008:

Obama: Wrong on remembering which German death camp his great-uncle helped liberate in WWII. Wrong for America.

You can bet a penny to a dollar that the current crop of Republican chicken-hawks in DC and eleswhere, a lot of them also had chicken-hawks parents who also avoided doing their duty and serving in the forces during WW1 WW2 Korea Vietnam etc.

POdVet @ 28:

Well this lie is still being sorted out but...
Here’s what we know for sure:

1. No Charles W. Payne enlisted in or was drafted into the Army from Kansas according to extant Kansas records 1941-43.

2. Obama’s grandmother Payne family has not C.T. Payne. Her brother was Charles W. Payne.

3. The C.T. Payne in the 89th who is said by the Kitchell 89th website to have been at the liberation of Buchenwald is not listed joining Army from Kansas 1941-43.

4. Two C.W. Paynes are listed joining Navy in 1942 frm Kansas. Charles .W. Payne born Kansas City Jan 4 1924 and died 2000 is not Obama relative.

4. Charles W. Payne who joined Navy Reno County is the likely suspect.

So from what can be verified as truth seperated from the obvious lies from the Obama camp, it appears that yet again it is PURE BS! I will keep you updated as this blatant lie is fully investigated for the truth rather than the Kool Aid you are being fed by the Obamatons.

Yes, please do. And, if you would like to be regarded with any shred of credibility, please provide some links to reputable sources, OK? 'Cause, you know, we "Kool Aid drinkers" sorta like proof. Yeah, kinda inconvenient, I know, but c'est la vie...

Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 44:

Sue @ 30:

Geesh, for all the outrage you'd think he didn't know the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni.

Or Al Qaeda. Or wanted to keep us in Iraq for 100s of years or didn't give a damn about people being thrown out of their houses because his friends scammed them into the houses in the first place or doesn't think the troops deserve a collage education or doesn't give a shit about health care or doesn't care to learn anything about the economy or cares more about his rich friends getting tax breaks than paying for his and his best buddy forever Bush's 100 year war.........

McCain does have a plan to bring back the US forces in Iraq !!! 1500 body bags/ coffins per year for 100 years.

Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 53:

Andy K Jong Il @ 43:

ron Ft lauderale @ 21:

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 11:

You are so right about the "great uncle thing"!!!! My niece's children are still my nieces and nephews!! They never refer to me as " Great Uncle " !!! What the f--K?????

P. fuc- ing S. Many Repugs don't have any war stories to tell/share!! Bush, Cheney, Russ, O'rilley, Rice, etc !!!!

PS 2 The PTSD is such a serious situation. While the P and VP hold their hand over ther heart as gesture of loyalty, it makes my blood boil. They didn't fight in any war, actually they escaped it and I don't want to even go there !! They are losers!!!! They caused the death of more than 4000 US men and Women all for the greed of oil money !!!!!

I refer to my great aunts and uncles with the "great" in there, but I address them as "Aunt" and "Uncle". When he was alive, I addressed my great grandfather as "Great Grampa".

You had a "Great Grampa" too? Me too. WOW

You are both so fortunate!! My 2 grandfathers died before I was born!! To have a great fgrandfather is like " icing on a cake"!!!! :-)

"Auschwitz... Buchenwald..."
tomato, tomahto ... call any vegetable it's still a republiturnip....

Andy K Jong Il @ 43:

ron Ft lauderale @ 21:

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 11:

You are so right about the "great uncle thing"!!!! My niece's children are still my nieces and nephews!! They never refer to me as " Great Uncle " !!! What the f--K?????

P. fuc- ing S. Many Repugs don't have any war stories to tell/share!! Bush, Cheney, Russ, O'rilley, Rice, etc !!!!

PS 2 The PTSD is such a serious situation. While the P and VP hold their hand over ther heart as gesture of loyalty, it makes my blood boil. They didn't fight in any war, actually they escaped it and I don't want to even go there !! They are losers!!!! They caused the death of more than 4000 US men and Women all for the greed of oil money !!!!!

I refer to my great aunts and uncles with the "great" in there, but I address them as "Aunt" and "Uncle". When he was alive, I addressed my great grandfather as "Great Grampa".

you called your great grandpa, great grandpa?

i never referred to my great aunts or uncles as great aunt or uncle

they were all aunt and uncle...even when i talked about them to others

so what obama said is not unusual

POdVet @ 22:

Charles T. Payne’s unit did not liberate Buchenwald. Ohrdruf was a work camp–not a pleasant place–but not a death camp.

Here's a link to illustrate just how "not a pleasant place" Ohrdruf was...idiot.

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/05/abc-fbi-punkd-b.html

POdVet @ 42:

It's long when you read it all, but it is a very thorough look into 1 of the October surprises Obama has waiting for him if the DNC leaders ignore the will of the people and anoint him the nominee.

Will of the people? Please. Your talking points are old and invalid. Sorry.

Marge @ 62:

I am not a fan of obama's but so, something happened almost 65 years ago to his uncle and it effected him terribly. And if obama got the name of the camp wrong so what. I am now 75 and sometimes I get the name of things wrong that happened back in the 40 and 50's...the real part was his uncle saw the horror of the camp and he was human enough to let it effect him for a long time. Goodness knows if you or I had saw the horror of those camps if we would not still be effected today...

If they want to go after obama, how about him and his policies not the name of a camp someone got wrong.

Hey don't feel bad, sometimes I can't remember what I did yesterday.

Wow. The McTrolls are out in full force this evening. McSame is going to have to shell out a ton of McPoints!

StirFry @ 18:

I didn't even know his uncle was in a German death camp....maybe he spent some time in some Prescott's nazi assets. Thanks RedState/HotAir/RightWingJerkOff.com for reminding everyone.

Its chilling to realize that the Bush family fortune is based on death camp profits and Polish slave labor profits.
The profits obtained before the seizure or freezing under the 'trading with enemy act' in 1942, then the golden shares handed out from Thyssen estate after the war.

rekroc @ 74:

Wow. The McTrolls are out in full force this evening. McSame is going to have to shell out a ton of McPoints!

It will go quiet after 9pm, school the next day ya know.

Will @ 77:

I think it was Tucker Carlson, who in his unique way, tried to backhand this controversy, yesterday stating that it's ok he made this mistake. Auschwitz, Buchenwald, it's a minor slipup, no big deal...much like McCain confusing Shiite and Sunni. No big deal. We, the media, need to realize the big issues from the minor gaffes.

And I'm thinking confusing the two camps is, in my opinion, a slightly more forgivable gaffe, than exposing your ignorance on middle east politics. Then again, I'm just a voter, what do I know?

I think you know a great deal !! Keep at it !!!!! !!!

mudshark @ 37:

General_Rennenkampf @ 29:

Jackie @ 17:

Howard Dean and John Kerry are doing a great job at making excuses for Obama's lies. First we heard about the 1.6 million dollar home Obama couldn't afford but teamed up with a criminal to by the house at the same time he became Senator. But Obama says it was a misstep aka lie. Obama turned on his Minister of twenty years on the advice of Kerry and Kennedy. Now Obama takes Memorial day to give his Uncle's experience but messed up and I'm glad he didn't add his Father's experience in Kenya to the story. Again the choice word for Obama's lies is misspoke. Obama misspoke, misstep or lied when he said his Father got his US Education Grant from John F. Kennedy, only problem was Kennedy never did do that but the Kennedy Family gave money long after Obama's Father went home. But the story sound good at the time and people will believe anything because of course Obama is Jesus. Next Obama will say he wrote John Kennedy's famous speech, people just might buy that lie too.

OK, Obama lied. Welcome to politics, an ethical profession it ain't. And pretending that Captain Change will bring any more or any better change than Captain Crazy is foolish, but so is believing that Captain Hillary is better just because she's female. Politicians are amoral, and this is the First World, not some Third World shithole where these questions would be settled with an exchange of bullets, though the way things seem to be getting here, someday that might not be as unlikely as I hope.

If you think whatever politician you're for doesn't lie, you've got another think coming, sweetcakes.

So what you're saying is. They're basically the same. Right?

No, I'm saying they're all in a profession that doesn't value anything except the gathering of power. Captain Crazy was Ron Paul, and Obama is definitely a better pol than Paul is.

The Democrats at least try to run a candidate with a bare hint of scruples, so I'm siding with them.

uincle joe-

It might just be that in my family- or my mom's side, anyway- we need as many identifiers as we can get. Mom is number 11 of 16. None of Mimere's (my maternal grandmother's Quebecoise nickname) brothers and sisters (and I think 11 of them survived childhood) had less than 8 kids. One of Mimere's sisters had 18 kids! So we use "Great" and we use middle and last names, even when discussing these family members with people who aren't familiar with them. Maybe it's a Catholic thing, I dunno...

The big advantage over the repubs is that we know what they are going to do.

They are Rove-taught and need to be attacked at every opportunity and not allowed to lie or to let anything else go unchallenged. Keep using "Rove tactics" to label their crap, and don't give them one inch, ever.

These people have stolen everything America has stood for! Focus on winning!!!

This nonsense is on par with the hullabaloo over Al Gore confusing which FEMA official he toured Texas with after some natural disaster (fires? floods? hurricane? I forget which -- guess I'd be a baldfaced liar if I pick one and it's wrong). The basic story is correct, his overall point is intact, and it's the kind of mistake that's easy to make when you're repeating something that either in Gore's case happened so frequently (touring natural disasters, interaction with FEMA) that it's easy to get occurrences jumbled in your memory or in Obama's case you're repeating a family story off the cuff that you weren't directly involved in that happened some 20 years before you were born, not something you Googled or Wikipedia'd and wrote a dissertation about complete with footnotes. This is pure crap. If Hillary had actually been under sniper fire on some other occasion at some other location and just misremembered that it was Tuzla, that would have been nonsense, too.

General_Rennenkampf @ 82:

mudshark @ 37:

General_Rennenkampf @ 29:

Jackie @ 17:

OK, Obama lied. Welcome to politics, an ethical profession it ain't. And pretending that Captain Change will bring any more or any better change than Captain Crazy is foolish, but so is believing that Captain Hillary is better just because she's female. Politicians are amoral, and this is the First World, not some Third World shithole where these questions would be settled with an exchange of bullets, though the way things seem to be getting here, someday that might not be as unlikely as I hope.

If you think whatever politician you're for doesn't lie, you've got another think coming, sweetcakes.

So what you're saying is. They're basically the same. Right?

No, I'm saying they're all in a profession that doesn't value anything except the gathering of power. Captain Crazy was Ron Paul, and Obama is definitely a better pol than Paul is.

The Democrats at least try to run a candidate with a bare hint of scruples, so I'm siding with them.

I understand what you're driving at Mon General. But In my opinion, both Dem candidates are basically the same. If you had to judge each of them with out knowing who they were or what they looked like. What would say then?

Will @ 77:

much like McCain confusing Shiite and Sunni. No big deal. We, the media, need to realize the big issues from the minor gaffes.

Just like McWarcriminal confusing the differences between napalm and iron bombs, and military targets and innocent Vietnamese civilians.

'I drops the bombs, where they land nobody knows or cares'
but gosh darn they make good TV footage for the bloodthirsty armchair generals

POdVet @ 85:

paid by the word are we ?

POdVet @ 85:

Tweakerbell blah blah blah blah blah...

Faith-based, mindless Repubican trolling at its finest...

How about providing some reputable sources, eh, buddy?

Auschwitz is undoubtedly the most famous of the death camps, so to me it's understandable that it jumps off the tongue no matter if you're thinking of bitburg or buchenwald or ....

Let's just remember that the mission of the reich wing is to pounce on the Democratic candidates, and hardest and most especially on the frontrunner. then the media picks it up and runs with it to never let the issue die, even though the people are pleading with them to stop.

the reichers and the media are irredeemable.We have to remember our mission: ending the american reich before it brings us and the world to the brink of extinction.

val @ 88:

This nonsense is on par with the hullabaloo over Al Gore confusing which FEMA official he toured Texas with after some natural disaster (fires? floods? hurricane? I forget which -- guess I'd be a baldfaced liar if I pick one and it's wrong). The basic story is correct, his overall point is intact, and it's the kind of mistake that's easy to make when you're repeating something that either in Gore's case happened so frequently (touring natural disasters, interaction with FEMA) that it's easy to get occurrences jumbled in your memory or in Obama's case you're repeating a family story off the cuff that you weren't directly involved in that happened some 20 years before you were born, not something you Googled or Wikipedia'd and wrote a dissertation about complete with footnotes. This is pure crap. If Hillary had actually been under sniper fire on some other occasion at some other location and just misremembered that it was Tuzla, that would have been nonsense, too.

dan rather knows what you're talking about.

ron Ft lauderale @ 95:

lj @ 86:

The big advantage over the repubs is that we know what they are going to do.

They are Rove-taught and need to be attacked at every opportunity and not allowed to lie or to let anything else go unchallenged. Keep using "Rove tactics" to label their crap, and don't give them one inch, ever.

These people have stolen everything America has stood for! Focus on winning!!!

Exactly!! You are sooo right!! People, listen to this !!! Karl Rove is the most devious, warmongering and absolute jackass i have ever had the experience of observing in my life time !!! Stop him now !! He is a first class jerk!!

Henry Kissinger could have pwned him in his sleep. Rove's a pussy compared to what Kissinger did. He's too much of an idealist. If he was into Realpolitik like Ol' Henry, we'd have more to worry about. As it is, look at what Rove's party's accomplished in the last four years. About the only thing good they've done is not just messing with Latin America just cuz like most Yankeestani Presidents do.

And that, IMHO, was because they've got too much on their plate with their two wars.

diamondmc @ 99:

POdvet: We are still waiting for you to give us some links to your first rant and now you change the subject with more BS. I know its tuff for you trolls to back up your shit, but could you try to make your point with some facts before running off the mouth with more bullshit.

your opinion of POdvet is way too high! :<[)

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 103:

POdVet @ 85:
you have way too much time on your hands as well as a need to up your meds.

Thats the problem, like his god Rush he's already overdosed on his meds.

POdVet @ 28:
thanks for not supplying any substantiation whatsoever.

I know, too many syllables.

podvet, get real!

If you are a vet, why would you prefer the likes of chimpy, mcchimpy and hill who would send your ass to chimpy's war? And if you don't die the first time, don't worry chimpy and mcchimpy will send your ass back to Iraq over and over again. The cherry is you won't get a damn thing for you efforts.

I'm a vet and Sen. Obama is great!

Go Obama!
Go USA!

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 91:

Andy K Jong Il @ 84:

uincle joe-

It might just be that in my family- or my mom's side, anyway- we need as many identifiers as we can get. Mom is number 11 of 16. None of Mimere's (my maternal grandmother's Quebecoise nickname) brothers and sisters (and I think 11 of them survived childhood) had less than 8 kids. One of Mimere's sisters had 18 kids! So we use "Great" and we use middle and last names, even when discussing these family members with people who aren't familiar with them. Maybe it's a Catholic thing, I dunno...

holy god...whats it like at the table on hollidays?

Actually, as a kids we went to Dad's side of the family for opening gifts on Christmas, and on Thanksgiving, and all of my cousins on mom's side did the same. Running into particular cousins on those holidays was hit or miss. But we all get together on the 4th of July. Last year was our 50th annual O'Toole Family Reunion. We had a group shot with all of my grandpa's offspring (his first 7 kids were by Mimere's sister who died from childbirth complications...Mim moved in to take care of the 7, ended up with her 9- but she raised all 16!), minus two or three cousins and their kids, and there were close to 200 people! Not counting significant others!

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 98:

Auschwitz is undoubtedly the most famous of the death camps, so to me it's understandable that it jumps off the tongue no matter if you're thinking of bitburg or buchenwald or ....

Let's just remember that the mission of the reich wing is to pounce on the Democratic candidates, and hardest and most especially on the frontrunner. then the media picks it up and runs with it to never let the issue die, even though the people are pleading with them to stop.

the reichers and the media are irredeemable.We have to remember our mission: ending the american reich before it brings us and the world to the brink of extinction.

Yesterday was the 42nd anniversary of the assassination attack on Reinhard Heidrich, that bastard died slowly and painfully from his wounds of the attack, good riddance to one of the worst persons in history.
Hundreds of Czech people paid the price in revenge murders by the Nazis for the SOEs mission but it was worth the price.

POdVet @ 42:

MsJoanne @ 26:

Jackie @ 17:

Howard Dean and John Kerry are doing a great job at making excuses for Obama's lies. First we heard about the 1.6 million dollar home Obama couldn't afford but teamed up with a criminal to by the house at the same time he became Senator. blah blah blah blah blah

You are so full of shit. Learn the facts before spewing total bullshit. You want to pin Rezko on Obama, try to learn about it and not just read some right wing wishful thinking and regurgitate it as fact.

http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/03/19/rezko-primer-update/

Perhaps you should look at a complete thorough investigation rather than a blog from an Obamaton might I suggest:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0805/S00171.htm

It's long when you read it all, but it is a very thorough look into 1 of the October surprises Obama has waiting for him if the DNC leaders ignore the will of the people and anoint him the nominee.

The link you cite has as much credibility and relevance as you, i.e. none. Why don't you be PO'd somewhere else?

Andy K Jong Il @ 112:

uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 91:

Andy K Jong Il @ 84:

uincle joe-

It might just be that in my family- or my mom's side, anyway- we need as many identifiers as we can get. Mom is number 11 of 16. None of Mimere's (my maternal grandmother's Quebecoise nickname) brothers and sisters (and I think 11 of them survived childhood) had less than 8 kids. One of Mimere's sisters had 18 kids! So we use "Great" and we use middle and last names, even when discussing these family members with people who aren't familiar with them. Maybe it's a Catholic thing, I dunno...

holy god...whats it like at the table on hollidays?

Actually, as a kids we went to Dad's side of the family for opening gifts on Christmas, and on Thanksgiving, and all of my cousins on mom's side did the same. Running into particular cousins on those holidays was hit or miss. But we all get together on the 4th of July. Last year was our 50th annual O'Toole Family Reunion. We had a group shot with all of my grandpa's offspring (his first 7 kids were by Mimere's sister who died from childbirth complications...Mim moved in to take care of the 7, ended up with her 9- but she raised all 16!), minus two or three cousins and their kids, and there were close to 200 people! Not counting significant others!

You're a lucky man Andy.
and I'm not gonna throw any Irish joke out there. ; )

miss_kitty @ 7:

"Republicans instantly turned the Outrage Machine to 11..."

Brilliant miss kitty, brilliant!

mud, how can you say Sen. Obama and hill are the same? It obvious that you don't want to know the difference between the two.

One big glaring factor, Sen. Obama didn't blindly go along with the repugs to start chimpy's war. It's clear hill has a repug mentality of kill first and diplomacy later.

But I'll throw a Scottish joke out there.
"Why do Scots wear Kilts?
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Because zippers scare the sheep.
badaboom!

POdVet @ 85:

Tweakerbell so hostile as people look into the truth behind his latest lie. After his vast array of lies going from his BS about his goat herder father who was actually the son of a tribal chief. The Kennedy's made it possible for my father to come to this country...more BS his dad was here a year before the Kennedy's had any involvement with the Kenya student program. My parents met because of the Selma march. More BS he was born 4 years before Selma! He grew up poor on food stamps at times. Even more BS he was always in the upper levels of society, his grandmother who helped raise him was a bank president for cripes sake. More young black men are in prison than in college..proven falsehood by Bureau of Justice! Thanks to people like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh hate crimes against hispanics have doubled since last year...According to the latest FBI figures available which is 2006 hate crimes against hispanics are up only 10% from 2005 and in a 10 year comparison, they are actually down. Denied meeting Auchi..until proven he had then he said uh I forgot and didn't talk to him. He couldn't even tell the truth about whether he smoked or not! He's lied about legislation he claimed to pass when it didn't actually pass. Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.” One of his biggest supporters is Exelon. Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers. Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate. And incidentally, after he watered the bill down to the point it was absolutely useless, Mr Obama's bill did not even pass!

So Obama boasted about requiring nuclear plant owners to report even 'small" leaks, huh? What's wrong with you---never heard of Chernobyl or Three Mile Island?

As for the rest of your horseshit about the alleged tie between Obama and Exelon, which you probably heard from Rush or Hannity, learn the truth here:

www.factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/17/fact_check_hillary_cl...

Jackie @ 17:

Howard Dean and John Kerry are doing a great job at making excuses for Obama's lies. First we heard about the 1.6 million dollar home Obama couldn't afford but teamed up with a criminal to by the house at the same time he became Senator. But Obama says it was a misstep aka lie. Obama turned on his Minister of twenty years on the advice of Kerry and Kennedy. Now Obama takes Memorial day to give his Uncle's experience but messed up and I'm glad he didn't add his Father's experience in Kenya to the story. Again the choice word for Obama's lies is misspoke. Obama misspoke, misstep or lied when he said his Father got his US Education Grant from John F. Kennedy, only problem was Kennedy never did do that but the Kennedy Family gave money long after Obama's Father went home. But the story sound good at the time and people will believe anything because of course Obama is Jesus. Next Obama will say he wrote John Kennedy's famous speech, people just might buy that lie too.

Jesus Christ STFU!

Thank you woodguy. I doubt this repug troll even knows why he's mad.

hill will not win the nominee because she's too much like repugs. she's a liar, a clown and basically an all-round shameless.

Just remember, the Repugs have the two ultimate great liberators in the White House. George liberated himself from military service by going AWOL and Cheney was just to busy for service. The Republican Party is devoid of any morality or honesty. Not that any of us needs to be told this fact.

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 131:

mudshark @ 124:

But I'll throw a Scottish joke out there.
"Why do Scots wear Kilts?
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Because zippers scare the sheep.
badaboom!

Mudshark would like you to know he'll be here all week. Oh, and don't forget to try the veal. :-)

OK I can take a hint. Veal huh?

ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 78:

rekroc @ 74:

Wow. The McTrolls are out in full force this evening. McSame is going to have to shell out a ton of McPoints!

It will go quiet after 9pm, school the next day ya know.

Hey, looks like the sleepy little trolls went to bed already...

The liberals attacked Hillary over the sniper fire incident. How is this different? How could he screw up telling a story about his own family? Especially since it was supposed to have left an impression on him! Be consistant. You jump on mistakes that anyone else makes and you give Obama a free pass. In fact, you make Obama out as a victim when somebody points out his contractions.

mudshark @ 134:

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 131:

mudshark @ 124:

But I'll throw a Scottish joke out there.
"Why do Scots wear Kilts?
.
.
.
.
.
.
Because zippers scare the sheep.
badaboom!

Mudshark would like you to know he'll be here all week. Oh, and don't forget to try the veal. :-)

OK I can take a hint. Veal huh?

Must be too lazy for sheep 'herding'. They just lay there, but they smell veal good...

;-}

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein Whitenbitter Lee Assassinine Ann Wrightly Soe @ 141:

mudshark @ 134:

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 131:

mudshark @ 124:

Mudshark would like you to know he'll be here all week. Oh, and don't forget to try the veal. :-)

OK I can take a hint. Veal huh?

Must be too lazy for sheep 'herding'. They just lay there, but they smell veal good...

;-}

Not into veal (kiddie) porn.

[OK, Lets get this back on topic please. Site Monitor]

Brad @ 142:

Steve @ 138:

The liberals attacked Hillary over the sniper fire incident. How is this different?

Uhh-- cuz Hill made her story up to fool people, and Obama was murky on detail.

I'm with Brad here.

You're not gonna see me type that again in these parts any time soon, I'll bet. :D

Steve @ 139:

The liberals attacked Hillary over the sniper fire incident. How is this different? How could he screw up telling a story about his own family? Especially since it was supposed to have left an impression on him! Be consistant. You jump on mistakes that anyone else makes and you give Obama a free pass. In fact, you make Obama out as a victim when somebody points out his contractions.

thanks for the obtuse troll post

Steve @ 139:

The liberals attacked Hillary over the sniper fire incident. How is this different? How could he screw up telling a story about his own family? Especially since it was supposed to have left an impression on him! Be consistant. You jump on mistakes that anyone else makes and you give Obama a free pass. In fact, you make Obama out as a victim when somebody points out his contractions.

One is a deliberate lie about a well documented event she must remember quite vividly from her experience years,
the other is a family history anecdote which could have been told to Obama wrongly third hand.