Australia No Longer Part of The "Coalition of the Willing"
AP:
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was swept into office in November largely on the promise that he would bring home the country's 550 combat troops by the middle of 2008, saying the Iraq deployment has made Australia more of a target for terrorism.
U.S. President George W. Bush said in March that he understood the decision and it would not harm bilateral relations.
The Australians had "successfully accomplished their mission" and their contributions "assisted in the stabilization and development of Iraq," U.S. military spokesman Col. Bill Buckner said in a statement.
The combat troops were expected to return home over the next few weeks.
But the Australians said several hundred other troops will remain in Iraq to act as security and headquarters liaisons and to guard diplomats. Australia also will leave behind two maritime surveillance aircraft and a warship to help patrol oil platforms in the Gulf.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi government is sensing some problems in their ongoing negotiations on the continuing US presence:
The official statement by government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh comes amid growing opposition to the deal among Iraqis who see it as a possible violation of Iraq's sovereignty and are worried about an extended presence of American troops.
Talks "are still in their early stages and the Iraqi side has a vision and a draft that is different" from those being presented by U.S. negotiators, al-Dabbagh said.
He was not more specific about the points but insisted the Iraqi government was focused on "fully preserving the sovereignty of Iraq ... and will not accept any article that infringes on this sovereignty and doesn't guarantee the interests of Iraqis."
The interest of the Iraqis? Since when have we used that as a metric?
OY!
Now they are one of the coalition of the unwilling.
Jesus that sounds like us during all of the bush43 regime.
Hey Australia! Take us with you!!!
Tres OY !
Is Poland still there? That's what really matters.
U.S. military spokesman Col. Bill Buckner? I bet he doesn't take any questions from NYT reporter Mookie Wilson.
tHE COALITION FOR THE DRILLING
I hate when Itype all caps and don`t notice it till I`m done.
Can we go next?
Ye Gods, the Aussies are going home.
....
Is the Coalition down to one nation yet so Bush can stop saying "Coalition?"
The Coalition of the Willingly Evil. Maybe they just got tired of throwing buckets of money away!
I can see the 28%er's now..
"Damn them Euro-Trash Australians!"
Crikey!
Rusty Shackleford @ 5:
He'd probably muff it if he did.
pish posh, the more important question is: does the coalition still have Eritrea?
Gary @ 10:
They'll be boycotting Outback Steakhouse now.
Our former Prime Mini-ster, the vile John Howard, who committed us to the bloody folly of Iraq, recently did a 'victory lap' of the States to receive the adulation of his grateful friends. His major gig: a speech to the Neocon Central, the American Enterprise Institute. They just love him there.
Howard abased himself and our nation before the most dangerous, incompetent, bellicose and militaristic leader of any major western nation since Adolf Hitler put a bullet through his brain. What long-term consequences for our security and economy this will have I dread to think.
What a repugnant little turd.
At least Bush still has the MSM. AKA The Coalition of the Shilling.
all joshing aside, does anyone know of a good source to ascertain the various reasons that the members of the coalition actually agreed to be a part of the coalition?
i am willing to go out on a limb and state that the public reasoning differed from internal decisions--shocking, i know
for example (using Eritrea again for one example):
Critics however maintain that the Eritrean regime is using the "fight against terrorism" to gag the last remnant of an opposition in the country. Even the US State Department repeatedly has accused Eritrean authorities of systematic human rights abuses, including torture. Instead of growing a closer ally to the US, the Eritrea regime has actually become increasingly internationally isolated during the last years.
Another interesting point.
Howard and his friends in recent times excused the whole enterprise as being largely about 'energy security'.
In other words, we attacked Iraq so we could get a slice of the oil action.
Australia has vast mineral wealth, including huge supplies of natural gas.
In an energy-hungry future, other nations might well come to view this with jealous eyes.
Well, you know what they say: what goes around, comes around.
Thanks again John!!
I'm thinking of the Chimp-in Chief's explanation of tribal sovereignty as it pertained to Native Americans a couple of years ago. I don't have the link at my fingertips, but if you search along those lines I'm sure it will pop up. It's truly hilarious/frightening.
Samson- @ 17:
At one time back at the beginning of the invasion, I found a website that told what each nation was given to join in. Most of them got big chunks of money but there were other things too. I'm so sorry that I didn't mark that page and print it out. It was very interesting and confirmed my guesses at that time.
Gudonya, Ozzies!
Well…
I’ll bet we get a big “Aussie salute” when they “bail out” of our “ratbag”.
I wonder if they will drop their drawers and show us their “freckles” when they leave….
pissed off patricia @ 20:
Oooooo!
i think it is time to wave my magic google wand and try to find that, it is exactly what i am looking for.
Thanks POP!
Who do these Iraqis think they are?
Every country we liberate submits to our terms!!
Rusty Shackleford @ 5:
he might let the question dribble between his legs. :)
This is a site that tells what each country in the coilition of the willing contributed and it's funny too. You can tell by the language it's a little old but it's still fun to read. Scroll down about half the page until you come to this:
"With President George W. Bush's recent call for a troop "surge" of upwards of 20,000 more Americans to help quell the violence that seems to be escalating in and around Baghdad on a daily basis and now the announcement by British Prime Minister Tony Blair that he's pulling out an additional 1,700 or so troops, I thought it might be interesting to take a country by country look of just how "willing" the coalition members were in the beginning and where they stand as of now."
I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
If you haven't yet read this, please do. Bush Administration officials have been charged with war crimes.
As far as I am concerned, let them all be tried, convicted and hang as the war criminals they are!
here's a good reason to get out! I mean, we're not alone, yet?
MsJoanne @ 27:
thanks for that! at least some people are acting rationally!
Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!!!
Who's left, the U.S. and Puerto Rico?
Exactly what was Australia's mission? What did they accomplish?
However, I do want thank the men and women of Australia who served, and also for their sacrifices in this trumped up war!
You did well Mates!
Samson- @ 23:
This isn't the original one I found way back when, but it's a good overall look at it.
Oops I totally fu*ked my last comment up, but the "this" link is the important part.
[FIFY-Sitemonitor]
We still have Albania! Bush loving Balkan Hillbillies love Iraq. All 120 of them are looking for a scrap.
Does anyone watch the Chaser's War on Everything? When they are in season you can download the episodes from their website; it is like a Daily Show for Australians, except slightly less serious. The reason I ask, besides it being a good show, is because it makes you view Australians politicians in a different light. For example, did you know Kevin Rudd eats his own earwax?
POP@33
That was my memory of the small nations. Most came out and spelled out what they got.
what about Palao?
Must be getting lonely for that one poor schmuck from Lower Slobovia. Wonder what he did to deserve being left in the desert with no one but 'muricans to hang out with?
Fred @ 32:
Training, and they trained lost of the locals that were allowed to be by the US, the rest that were disbanded and told to fuck off by the americons, did just that, with their guns and to later come back and kill the invaders, so what goes around comes around it seems.
MountainMan23 @ 24:
Liberate ? You mean invade and destroy for your own reasons surely ......
Gary @ 10:
The more they isolate the US from the world, most likely the better, you can slid into the 3rd world conditions and we'll carry on with our nasty evil socialist ideas where we take care of each other for the greater good, have fun with that "We're #1 RA RA RA" capitalist selfish rubbish !!
sully18 @ 6:
That's funny I like that :)
Right from the puppets mouth :
Major General Jeffrey Hammond, Commanding General of Baghdad, a progress report:
Did you Americans know we pay -through the Pentagon - we actually give money to injured Iraqis - regardless of who shot them? To the reporters astonishment, the General estimates we pay about 15% of the population -he's saying 15 % of Iraq's population has been injured by this war. And we give them money for their troubles. Isn't there a name for that -like hush money or BRIBERY!!??
Direct quotes:
" ..We have a mission -that is not yet accomplished.- .. we have no plan.. we just take one day at..a time ".." (On the General's wall is a very detailed street map -aiding him I'm sure in his duties to follow that unknown mission- of Texas.
of
Sadr city is quiet, McCain says. Why? Because ..."...96% of the city have disbursed into the rest of Iraq -with some going to Iran."
Take back this to the Americans, the General; says - "the glass is half full -".. the servicemen want this mission ".
Hurry and give this one a b ig f***ing medal George. He's likely the exact shining example many of our troops saw before they chose to take their own lives.
pissed off patricia @ 34:
Thank you so much!
The so-called coalition of the willing continues to dwindle down towards a party of one.... Backing a puppet government that increasingly has less interest in our help with each new plan we offer that looks to screw the locals out of their one little 'precious' resource that this whole shitstorm has actually been about... And somewhere some neocon troglodyte geopolitical planner at the Heretige institute or PNAC U. is thinking 'fucking ingrates'!!! Ehh, So much for stealing oil at the end of a gun and calling it spreading democracy slick....
Yea, that shit will happen when you show up and wreck a nation to steal and/or con your way into control of the locals property.... without even offering a kiss... I guess they just don't make puppet governments like they used to... Tough break there Holmes... But meanwhile, I, and others I'm sure, are thinkin if we pull our men and women out of Iraq and stop playing geopolitical games to try and control other sovereign nations oil??? The sky won't fall... Further, if we put even half the energy we use to kill and maim and fuck with people over nothing more than their names or choice of religion into funding real efforts to create an alternative energy source, we could probably have at least a workable plan that doesn't cost us the health of the worlds ecology inside of 5 years or so max... We put a man on the moon in nine, we created a Berlin airlift inside of weeks or months so it's not an undoable thing regardless of all the hand wringing from the business sector...
And we'd be better off as a nation and culture all the way around... Who knows, might even lead to other countries liking us again and not calling us a rogue nation led by an imbicile with a nuke arsenal...... Hey, it could happen... Most of the world generally liked us before, dispite our now obvious warts... If we just stop acting like buttheads it could happen again over time... Of course impeaching and jailing our own personal idiot and chief along with the rest of his criminal associates would help too.... I don't know much, and I'm sure a lot of people will agree with that, but I do know if we hold Bush and his administration accountable for what they have done these last eight years, the world will stop looking at us in shock like we've become the nutty uncle noone wants to associate with who lives in the back garage and start thinking about respecting us again.... And that would, as Martha likes to say, be a good thing.... JD
What are we down to now, the coalition of the 2?
Well , there's always the coalition of the Bill and Hillarying .
Coalition of the Willing, try Coalition of the PAID. The US was paying for the troops from most of the other Countries.
Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda, with me
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong,
"Who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda, with me"?
I know you can't draw direct parallels between different country's elections but our Conservative government got the boot by the electorate in the last election.
Furthermore, our economy was in a relatively better shape than the US one. The conservatives were also rated by polls of the electorate which still thought they were better economic managers than the opposition. However, they still voted against them - and voted them out.
The Republicans don't have the benefit of the economy's state being that good now and hopely the Democrats can run a campaign which shows they'll be better at it than the alternative.
After reading a quote from Gen Sanchez's book about Bush's instructions during a teleconference telling the Generals to "kick ass" and kill Iraqis, I think it is becoming increasing documented that Bush needs to be held accountable, so this never happens again. This is war criminal behavior and he should have his day in court. Hopefully in 2009.
Jack Damage @ 43:
Not that many liked you really, that was a lot of self inflicted propaganda; a few tolerated the arrogance for the money, now it's not even worth that. Though the idea of using the words "culture" and references to the US in the same sentence at the moment (and for quite a while) is laughable.
The Europe (and the rest of the world) you all hate so much will carry on quite nicely after you have reverted back to gang warfare clutching to your guns and wacko religions ..... bit of a blip as your debt is dealt with, China takes over, and the pestilance that is the US gets wha'ts coming to it. That seems to be what is coming, especially when McPain takes over.
Good luck with the impeaching and getting to trail for war crimes, we all know that isn't going to happen and Bush & co will all walk totally free and get huge pensions out of your tax dollars ......... while you keep telling the rest of the world how amazing you are ....... as your country implodes with debt and selfish greed that castrates welfare & healthcare.
Soap-opera of a country.
HMGreen @ 46:
BWHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA .......... oh that's too good.
Much the same as ameicon getting into WW2 out of noble reasons, opposed to switching sides because it was more profitable, drinking Fanta all the way .......
"...and are worried about an extended presence of American troops."
What, did they just now notice the U.S. embassy the size of Des Moines?
Don't you mean "The Coalition of the drilling?"
Jerry, you might want to brush up on your spelling skills.
You're with us, our against us. Australia is now a part of the axis of evil.
Hey you all down under, Bush has probably sold some one in your tuntra some Nukes, mind if we have a look around the brush. Maybe in that crock pit, there must be sometehing.
Now we just need to retrain some of our returning troops into teachers, nurses and construction workers/tradespeople and we'll be in good shape!
Oh oh Jerry Jerry.. Oh hurt me you big brute.... I feel so shattered now... boo fucking hoo.... Shall I now write you a check on some of our worthless currancy you claim everyone 'put up' with 'our arrogance' with in order to get a piece of... cause you put me in my place???? Whatever mister.... My beef ain't with you regardless of whether you hate us and our haha culture or not.... America bashing is quite popular now, even when its just mindless going along with the crowd piling on Jeeerrrry... So go right ahead and pile on slick!
A few of things though dude... First, a lot of us realize that the last 100 years or so have not seen this nation behave properly towards the rest of the planet. I get that... Pretty much since the Spanish American war or thereabouts there's been a lot of international intrigue and powermongering going on within our business community and political establishment. None of it shining moments for the U.S. But the thing is, we aren't the only ones who spent that time trying to get over on everyone. Japan, China, Russia, England, pretty much all the major powers have been running their own individual geopolitical gamesmanship including starting wars of aggression, and that goes back further than the 100 years we've been playing too, so your guilt tripping on that ain't really flying mister...Nice try though...
And regardless of what you want to believe which was put into your head by your own nation and societies biases, whomever that is.. I know we have warts and always have. But we have also been known to offer up help when noone else would as regards humanitarianism. And as far as being the boogieman of nations, the worst of our leaders still, so far, pale in comparision to some other cultures bad leaders historically. Maybe you might have heard of some of them... Attila the Hun, Tojo, Adolph Hitler, just to name a very few. History is filled with powermongering egotistical boogiemen, so we didn't invent anything new on totalitarianism or fucking up our own backyard in search of more power, we're just the most recent (20th century) more successful player at it. Don't make it right but that's not my point. The point is, we ain't first and won't be the last. Btw Jerry, what kind of geopolitical skeletons does your oh so much more impressive culture which remains anonymous have hiding in the closet??? hmm???
Here's the thing about our haha culture you seem oblivious too, the framers of our constitution... Those guys in powdered wigs we like to refer to as our founding fathers, did come up with a novel idea for the times in which it was presented...And I haven't seen another society try to come up with anything similar or as culturally shifting as what we came up with since... A nation of the people, by the people and for the people, as opposed to just being serfs under a despot... Very novel, the fact that we now have a perverse immoral idiot in control does not negate the idea itself. The fact that one side of our political establishment has deluded itself into thinking their scheming under color of authority makes their perversion O.K. does not negate the premise we were founded on.
And as regards laughing at the idea of this nation having a culture of its own. Laugh all you want, I don't fucking care! If you're not of this country you got no dog in this fight I'm talking about. It's an internal U.S. problem with our political systems current players. Fixing it will rachet down a lot of animosity in the world towards us by people who don't have the grudge against us you seem to harbor. But its up to the people of this country to fix it.. not you Dude! We ain't all morons and those of us who aren't are damned pissed about the state of things and intend to fix it one way or another whether you want to believe that or not...
I don't know where you are from but here's the other thing.. I got nothing against Europe or what it is they do within any of the European unions various countries and societies. If you're from Europe, more power to ya. If you are however just some bullshit troll looking for trouble regardless of nationality, fuck you! You can go on ranting about my country and hating all you want. As an American, theoritically if you were American holding those views, I would defend to my death your right to hold those views as long as you weren't trying to undermind and/or overthrow the nation over it.. As long as you weren't trying to turn us into some kind of dictatorship with you in control. We already have enough ideological morons trying to do that right here in the U.S.A... We don't need any outsiders helping them.
Frankly, In a perfect world, I'd like to see my nation get out of geopolitical manipulation of all kinds. International relations and mutually beneficial partnerships is fine, international manipulation to garner more power at others expense.. Fuck that!!! We do not need to be doing that shit and I personally reject it outright regardless of reasoning. We need to put our own house in order, set an example and let the rest of you folks on this third rock from the sun adopt it or not... In a perfect world... We ain't got that but if America is to be anything other than something for people like you to make fun of and bitch about, we need to do that much. We need to put this nation right again, and in my opinion, part of that includes impeachment of this moron sitting in the oval office. If we just pull that much off, we'll be better off, and I guess you'll have to think about finding something else to bitch about, some other boogieman or soap opera to dwell on. Good luck with that.
Oh yea, and IF you are Eurpopean Jerry? The next time your ass is in a sling over some homegrown local tyrant looking to lord it over your ass.... Save the dime and don't bother calling for help. Regardless of Prescott Bush's mendacity, we left a lot of good U.S. people dead all over this planet twice bailing your parents and grandparents asses out in the 20th century and then plowing money into the rebuild of these shattered countries. I think you people can fix it yourself next time.. And if history's an indicator, there will be a next time for you Jerry... Enjoy laughing at us while you can guy....JD
This is not a bad sign, not on planet Bush. Since the Aussie's are leaving that means that the coalition has been a success because everything''s okay. Why else would they leave? Now all we have to do is stay there longer in order to keep the area the way the Australians left it. Well, we also have to send in more troops. Why would I even think about pulling the troops out? See, it all makes sense on planet Bush.
On australian TV they opened with this story with the headline "Mission Accomplished" !! I could not even make it up.
Maybe Morroco and Romania will make good on their offers to send landmine-sniffing monkeys and Nosferatu into the fray.
Heh heh... imagine if they did. It'd be the equivalent of a country with an anti-Portugal grudge boycotting Nando's. (By the way, I feel obliged to point out that, as an Australian, I have NEVER seen an Outback Steakhouse in my life.)
Gah! No. A "ratbag" is a rather mild insult referring to an unpleasant person. And I don't know WHAT you meant by the "freckles" thing (or the "Aussie salute", to be honest, but that sounds like it could actually be a real expression that bogans use).
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 14:
Oh they will be still eating steak alright, just that they rename it "Freedom Steakhouse".
Jack Damage --- just wanted to know if you are paid by the word ?
Upon hearing that Austrailia was pulling out of Iraq, Bush commented... "After all we did for them in WWII, helping that Sound Of Music family get away from the Nazis... how could they leave us"
GOBAMA
Bush's own Aussie clone, Mr. Howard has been charged with war crimes in the International Court (along with Tony Blair). Included in the filing are the charges that he lied to the nation to take them to war; illegally sent the military into the war since he did not receive the authority to do so in Parliament and . . . the war is not legal since it did not have a UN resolution.
Our own dictator did not get charged thanks to he and his removing our nation as a signatory of the International Court -- during the earliest days of Bush's administration.
This legal wrangling pre-emptive strike to do so by our Deciderer Dictator is no different than avoiding First Degree Murder charges by using the excuses of "crimes of passion".
The cabal in our White House was very very passionate about raping and pillaging nations for their natural resources at the expense of others' lives and treasure.
Marine's own hero, Smedley Butler must be rolling in his grave.
Good for the Aussies.
If Iraqis value their sovereignty, they better learn to just say, "NO!!!".
WALALB@63;
No.... I'm not... There is that a little more brief for ya???
Some guy named Jerry comes on this site and slams all of us, the freakin whole country including everyone right left or center on this site.... Mostly, but not exclusively I guess, because George W. Bush is a fucking asshole, which I actually agree with... But, he wants to tarr and feather us all regardless of where we stand. Yea, I got something to say about that and it ain't no freakin soundbite..... Some of us want to fix this trainwreck.... I'm one of them.................JD
calgarylady @ 53:
Ah blessed attack of the individual and a complete avoidance of the point or message, what a good little Karl Rove disciple ...
Oh oh Jerry Jerry.. Oh hurt me you big brute…. I feel so shattered now… boo fucking hoo
I don’t care either way how pathetic you feel, or how you resort to sarcasm.
Whatever mister…. My beef ain’t with you regardless of whether you hate us and our haha culture or not…. America bashing is quite popular now, even when its just mindless going along with the crowd piling on Jeeerrrry… So go right ahead and pile on slick!
You have no real culture or depth of it to hate, so that is a mute point.
Oh the old call to "America bashing" as you still can't accept the ineptitude of your country, most of it's people or it's administration, how ironic.
I've never criticised anyone because of fashion, I've stuck to the points all along, for instance 8 years ago when you were all so happy about electing your murderer in chief, I was pointing out then. Even when 9/11 happened I asked does anyone know "why" and there were some pretty obvious indicators given your history in the middle east, though you were all to hell bent on killing and anyone who disagreed was an american hater or didn't like freedom fries, so such other mindless rubbish.
A few of things though dude… First, a lot of us realize that the last 100 years or so have not seen this nation behave properly towards the rest of the planet. I get that…
I doubt that is true of the populous, to any great amount what so ever.
Pretty much since the Spanish American war or thereabouts there’s been a lot of international intrigue and powermongering going on within our business community and political establishment. None of it shining moments for the U.S. But the thing is, we aren’t the only ones who spent that time trying to get over on everyone. Japan, China, Russia, England, pretty much all the major powers have been running their own individual geopolitical gamesmanship including starting wars of aggression, and that goes back further than the 100 years we’ve been playing too, so your guilt tripping on that ain’t really flying mister…Nice try though…
Ah yes the whole "It's just fine for us to do it, because everyone else does it" ...... that as you well know is the mentality of a school ground bully, an attempted exoneration, nothing more.
And regardless of what you want to believe which was put into your head by your own nation and societies biases,
As you obviously have yours, combined with a very restricted world view and education it seems, I think that must be a lot of the issue for a lot of americans who are too busy "knowing it all" and every else is wrong.
whomever that is..
Which I'm sure you'd like to know so you could attack me more, opposed to trying to stick to the issues, more Karl Rove tactics.
I know we have warts and always have. But we have also been known to offer up help when noone else would as regards humanitarianism.
More "we are #1" brainwashing.
And as far as being the boogieman of nations, the worst of our leaders still, so far, pale in comparision to some other cultures bad leaders historically. Maybe you might have heard of some of them… Attila the Hun, Tojo, Adolph Hitler, just to name a very few.
Ah yes, back to the school ground bully and finger pointing approach. Do you have any idea which country was one of the biggest funders of the Nazis and supporters ? Best read up on your history, start with your current presidents grandfather before you carry on believe such tripe.
History is filled with powermongering egotistical boogiemen, so we didn’t invent anything new on totalitarianism or fucking up our own backyard in search of more power, we’re just the most recent (20th century) more successful player at it. Don’t make it right but that’s not my point.
That seems to be your point so far exactly, though good you realise that isn't the pint.
The point is, we ain’t first and won’t be the last. Btw Jerry, what kind of geopolitical skeletons does your oh so much more impressive culture which remains anonymous have hiding in the closet??? hmm???
How about sticking to the point and trying to argue that opposed to just ranting on like the school ground bully defending himself by pointing fingers.
And I haven’t seen another society try to come up with anything similar or as culturally shifting as what we came up with since… A nation of the people, by the people and for the people, as opposed to just being serfs under a despot…
Then your grip of world politics, history and understanding of the world is as narrow as it can get then.
Very novel, the fact that we now have a perverse immoral idiot in control does not negate the idea itself.
Indeed, a fleeting and broken dream that the people allowed to be flushed down the toilet, well done.
And as regards laughing at the idea of this nation having a culture of its own. Laugh all you want, I don’t fucking care!
Of course you don't, you couldn't possible have any idea of what I'm talking about, or know what you are missing.
It’s an internal U.S. problem with our political systems current players. Fixing it will rachet down a lot of animosity in the world towards us by people who don’t have the grudge against us you seem to harbor. But its up to the people of this country to fix it.. not you Dude!
A grudge ? ........ for hells sake, you're that ignorant that’s the way you see it ? .... let me guess next you're going to be calling me jealous .... so america is allowed to tell the rest of the world how to live and service it best at the end of a B-52, though the world isn't allowed to criticise in return ? I think not.
Up to the people of your country to fix it ? So you have no idea how the US effects the world and the kind of pain and destruction it exports then, the whole "it suits us, when it suits us" argument is meaningless, as you well know, until you start seeing this as a global inclusive issue and thinking about how the world works, you're going to be stuck in the "us and them" mentality, that isn't going to help anything.
We ain’t all morons and those of us who aren’t are damned pissed about the state of things and intend to fix it one way or another whether you want to believe that or not…
Then prove it, even though it appears the vast majority are, opposed to trying to point the finger else where the whole time and justifying what you are doing by saying it's OK because all others have done it before.
I don’t know where you are from but here’s the other thing..
Which is tell, as your initial instinct to just attack me and my background opposed to accepting and dealing with your own, another US flawed trait which shows up in your "news" and politics all the time.
I got nothing against Europe or what it is they do within any of the European unions various countries and societies. If you’re from Europe, more power to ya.
Doesn’t matter when I'm from.
If you are however just some bullshit troll looking for trouble regardless of nationality, fuck you! You can go on ranting about my country and hating all you want. As an American, theoritically if you were American holding those views, I would defend to my death your right to hold those views as long as you weren’t trying to undermind and/or overthrow the nation over it..
Where as I personally accept the views of people of the world (opposed to just one country), and their right and wants to accept or disagree with others, where as you're exclusive with that, affording it only to others who you choose worthy, i.e. your own.
I.e. you're not a world citizen.
As long as you weren’t trying to turn us into some kind of dictatorship with you in control. We already have enough ideological morons trying to do that right here in the U.S.A… We don’t need any outsiders helping them.
On that we agree; you have sold your country to a dictator recently and the system that allowed it a while ago.
Frankly, In a perfect world, I’d like to see my nation get out of geopolitical manipulation of all kinds.
Which is what everyone else wants as well.
International relations and mutually beneficial partnerships is fine, international manipulation to garner more power at others expense.. Fuck that!!!
Welcome to the WTO, IMF, etc etc.
We do not need to be doing that shit and I personally reject it outright regardless of reasoning. We need to put our own house in order, set an example and let the rest of you folks on this third rock from the sun adopt it or not… In a perfect world…
Which was the dream that turned into the nightmare of the US because of ignorance and greed, which are the two main things driving the whole system now, hence why I think people there need to start understanding the critics and accepting it and it's source, opposed to instantly coming out with the typical "we're #1" BS and pointing the finger all the time.
We ain’t got that but if America is to be anything other than something for people like you to make fun of and bitch about, we need to do that much. We need to put this nation right again, and in my opinion, part of that includes impeachment of this moron sitting in the oval office. If we just pull that much off, we’ll be better off......
Unfortunately we both know that isn't going to happen, nice as it would be to see him in the Hague answering for it all.
Oh yea, and IF you are Eurpopean Jerry? The next time your ass is in a sling over some homegrown local tyrant looking to lord it over your ass…. Save the dime and don’t bother calling for help.
A dime ? ....... surely you mean the war profiteering that the US engaged in, that IBM built the machines that collated the holocaust, that before the Brits bought the US involvement as the real allies were going over they were finding Ford and GM engines in the German machines, just as two examples ..... yes I dare say you need to check up on some history and stop watching Hollywood and believing your own countries BS.
Regardless of Prescott Bush’s mendacity, we left a lot of good U.S. people dead all over this planet twice bailing your parents and grandparents asses out in the 20th century and then plowing money into the rebuild of these shattered countries.
Because it was in your own countries self interest; much the same way that the gulf invasions will be painted in your versions of history, as for body count no-one holds a candle to the Russians. Though it is a typical attitude of an american to like to think they are the great saviours on a white horse riding in and saving the day.
I think you people can fix it yourself next time.. And if history’s an indicator, there will be a next time for you Jerry… Enjoy laughing at us while you can guy….JD
Laughing is the last thing I'm doing when I see what your country is up to, supporting and heading towards.
Good luck turning it around, time is running out, if not already.
Jerry;
Ok mister, just read you latest... You and I can go round and round till the end of time and we're not going to get anywhere apparently. You don't want to listen to me, or really hear what I'm saying, and I am not keen at all on your generic America bashing... Even though I suspect we are more in agreement on the objective points then at least you want to admit... The narrow mindedness you accuse me of is exactly what you are guilty of while trying to hide behind some kind of self perception of being a world citizen... Now THAT is irony bub......
I'm up enough on my own history to know exactly what you allude to in several points... Why do I not like the Bushs at all??? You know the reason. When I talk about warts, that's one of them. And I didn't vote for the sonofabitches idiot grandson either time.... Or his daddy before him... Just for the record. Also, not a fan of nafta or the WTO either... I know what that shit is all about and I don't like it. But your views evidently are every bit as hardened and myopic as you claim mine are... And that is every bit as pathetic as you claim I am. You can keep on posting your anti-U.S. drivel till you get tired or piss off some site monitor but you will have to carry on without my back and forth over it...
All I got for you in closing is this much... You don't know dick about me and you are dead wrong in your assertions as to what and who you think I am. You are equally wrong about America in total. Every nation and culture has had its bad actors. E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. None of the big powers now or in the past are total saints... Doesn't mean the entire culture these bad actors heads up at any given moment is entirely bad in and of itself. We in the U.S. have unfortunately, been saddled with a very very bad actor (and that is a very charatable term for this fuck) for the last eight years and I'll cop to the fact that at least 59 million of my fellow citizens bares responsiblity in part for this, but that shit IS going to change. There were 55 million of us who NEVER bought the bullshit these Bush people were peddling, and we are the ones who are sick of it and intend to change this situation, hopefully, for the better. It starts this november but it doesn't end there....It only begins there.
But trying to convince you of that or anything else positive about my nation is as pointless an exercise as trying to talk sense to a fundamentalist evangelical about the separation of church and state. We two in these posts do make a good example though, of just why this planet is as fucked up as it is. It ain't just you and it ain't just me, it's all of us on this rock from a couple of anonymous posters to the big shot leaders making the decisions that create the problems. Too much taking, not any giving back, and no listening or wanting to listen anymore to anyone not like us, or find any kind of happy medium of peaceful co-existance. That is just all kinds of fucked up. We only got this one marble in space to share and... Ahh fuck it, I'm wasting my time doing this.. You and I? On this thread? We're done now. Keep posting till your fingers bleed and fall off if that pleases you....You're always going to think you are right and as long as you cling to the views you hold about America in general, I'm always going to think you're basically wrong even if I agree with some of your points......JD
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