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Calling it a little early? Perhaps. But I have to believe that we are looking at the beginning of just that historic event and one that should make us all proud.

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There are those who say that this primary has somehow left us weaker and more divided. Well I say that because of this primary, there are millions of Americans who have cast their ballot for the very first time. There are Independents and Republicans who understand that this election isn't just about the party in charge of Washington, it's about the need to change Washington. There are young people, and African-Americans, and Latinos, and women of all ages who have voted in numbers that have broken records and inspired a nation.

All of you chose to support a candidate you believe in deeply. But at the end of the day, we aren't the reason you came out and waited in lines that stretched block after block to make your voice heard. You didn't do that because of me or Senator Clinton or anyone else. You did it because you know in your hearts that at this moment – a moment that will define a generation – we cannot afford to keep doing what we've been doing. We owe our children a better future. We owe our country a better future. And for all those who dream of that future tonight, I say – let us begin the work together. Let us unite in common effort to chart a new course for America.

Will Bunch: People died so that tonight could happen.

Full transcripts and video available at BarackObama.com

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BigSteelThrill's picture

Excellent!

fiver's picture

Yes!

Hussein sciguy Hussein (my middle name is not Hussein)'s picture

I hope you're right. I know I'll be working my a$$ off to make it happen.

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It’s Official! Obama’s the Presumptive Nominee; McCain the Presumptive Abominee

L.A. Confidential's picture

Don Davis @ 5:

It’s Official! Obama’s the Presumptive Nominee; McCain the Presumptive Abominee

Wow, that makes two presumptive nominees.

Before you can say "yes we will", someone has to say "yes we can".

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Yes indeed! He certainly will be!

Alice Hussein's picture

May the US government seek to serve the interests of the majority of the citizens. Rather than seeking to terrorize the majority of the citizens, as has been the case these last seven years.

geazer's picture

I just got home from standing in line for 3 hours in downtown St. Paul to get into Xcel Center to see Senator Obama. It was worth every second. I was in Chicago on business on the night he was elected to the Senate. I heard him speak on the radio and saw him on TV that night and thought, "I really hope that I can live long enough to see this man elected President of the United States." After tonight, I'm sure that I will.

P. Major's picture

Much respect to the finest gentleman to come out of these United States in a very long time. The next 8 years should be very interesting.

cjsmn's picture

Just got home from the rally, it was phenomenal.

bullfrog's picture

i hope obama picks edwards as his vp.

i have yet to hear any other potential choice top edwards' speech in michigan.

plus, he'll do well in appalachia.

also polls very well on an obama ticket.

hillary had nice things to say, but she's untrustworthy, and she had a little bit of a salty look in her eye tonight.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

If Hillary Clinton works out a deal to be Vice President i am all for it, but i would think it might be a better idea for Obama to create a Department of Universal Health Care and name her Secretary.

kathleen's picture

I don't buy it. This should be a "slam dunk" year for the Democrats and the numbers against McCain are just too close for comfort.

Obama's media magicians ran a great campaign based on "hope and change" But when you get down to it what has Obama done that has reflected "hope and change"?

Obama needs Hillary's older white woman vote, and those older white women are going to stick to Hillary's side by burrs. They want to witness Hillary in first or second command and they want it now!

People around the world want Americans to quit talking about "change". They want Americans to BE THE CHANGE! Live more simply so that they can SIMPLY LIVE.

Be the change that's the ticket

fiver's picture

Great headline Nicole.

Krisken's picture

I think I'm going to make a Brandy/Coke in celebration.

Don't look at me like that, I'm in Wisconsin!

xoites defends Constitution's picture

cjsmn @ 12:

Just got home from the rally, it was phenomenal.

I watched it all on MSNBC and it looked fantastic!

Bill the Thinker's picture

Next Prez..... i hope the hell so. But just remember , this is going to be a tough fight! The repugs will have many tricks up there sleeves and this country is very susceptible to such nonsense. Remember, they voted in out current asshole TWICE!!!!!

Mikee's picture

OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY~!

Don't worry about it, kath. The general election has only just begun. And McCain't will run his campaign like he's Bob Dole.

Trust me on this.

J.C.'s picture

We can only pray for that result and that Obama clearly understands and is up to the task at hand. If he can change Washington at all, he'll do it by dragging nearly everyone in that town, and everyone who reports on that town, kicking and screaming into a better future. There's just way too much money and power at stake to believe that he'll face anything but an immense effort to maintain the status quo.

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cjsmn @ 12:

Just got home from the rally, it was phenomenal.

Are you on a cloud? Glad you were able to go. What was the crowd makeup? Were folks excited? All we got to see are the planned folks behind Obama.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 14:

If Hillary Clinton works out a deal to be Vice President i am all for it, but i would think it might be a better idea for Obama to create a Department of Universal Health Care and name her Secretary.

So she can fuck it up again? No Thank You. She is not for single payer. And we deserve nothing less than that.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Bill the Thinker @ 19:

Next Prez..... i hope the hell so. But just remember , this is going to be a tough fight! The repugs will have many tricks up there sleeves and this country is very susceptible to such nonsense. Remember, they voted in out current asshole TWICE!!!!!

One debate between Obama and McCain and the fight is over.

Blaed's picture

McCain's speech was dumb as hell. his audience didn't seem as enthused either, i can't wait to see Obama wipe the floor with him in the debates! YES HE DID!

fiver's picture

McCain is toast.

baby jesus's picture

baby jesus concurs.

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I totally agree, xoites.

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miss_kitty @ 24:

xoites defends Constitution @ 14:

If Hillary Clinton works out a deal to be Vice President i am all for it, but i would think it might be a better idea for Obama to create a Department of Universal Health Care and name her Secretary.

So she can fuck it up again? No Thank You. She is not for single payer. And we deserve nothing less than that.

I agree, but i also think this is a fight that will take two to three more decades. She can get things moving in the right direction.

grochi harzep's picture

Prediction: An easy victory for a stellar nominee. Let's get to work! Countdown to ending the war - somebody start that! Yes we can! GO-BAMA!

Rusty's picture

Let's go Obama, send McCain to Mama!

fiver's picture

miss_kitty @ 24:

....[S]ingle payer. And we deserve nothing less than that.

Do you do bumper stickers?

dw's picture

he will make a fine prez. but there is no way in hell he is going to change washington.
its too much of a business for there to be change.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

Blaed @ 26:

McCain's speech was dumb as hell. his audience didn't seem as enthused either, i can't wait to see Obama wipe the floor with him in the debates! YES HE DID!

McCain looked more dead tonight than Herman Munster's Uncle who was a vampire (also a Communist who ran for President every four years until his death a few years ago.)

tyree's picture

The Dude @ 361:

tyree @ 360:

The Dude @ 358:

tyree @ 338:

Your silly projection exercises bore me, get new material man....

and your blind obedience to just another paid off politician sucks the big one ! get a life go out and have a burger and a shake , maby that will relieve your boredom!

*yawn* As I said, projection, projection.... *yawn*

I am/was a Kucinich supporter, next...

ok maby a good nights sleep then!

liberalHUSSEINmoderation's picture

The Dude @ 353:

Rob @ 341:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 336:

Rob @ 331:

Blah Blah Blah!
STFU
Hagee, Parsley, Robertson...no hate from those assholes right? Dipshit.

There is a difference. The haters who are preaching black liberation theology are some of his closest friends. Nice language loser.

I am quite certain that you have no clue what "liberation theology" is all about.

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

Dot's picture

One of the things I never see mentioned is that since 2004 there have been significant population shifts in the American Southwest. Whenever John King or other pundits say, "In 2004 the Republicans took state X, so this year they will too," I think, wrong.

Nevada is much more Democratic since the huge population increases of the last four years, and many of these people are losing their houses due to the crash of the real estate market here. Las Vegas is now a much larger population center, and votes blue.

New Mexico and Arizona also have much larger populations, many of them Californians who left their home state to buy houses that are now worthless, or in foreclosure. These are largely well-educated, well off people who now have credit problems and may be fearful of losing their jobs due to recession.

Obama won't win Arizona, but it's not necessarily going to be a landslide for McCain, either. Southern Arizona has enormously developed in the last 5 years or so. The issues of all these states are: water, guns, illegals, the real estate crash, overextended credit leading to heavy personal debt, jobs. Also, a lot of the newcomers are younger people. With Bill Richardson's support, I think Obama has a real chance at Nevada and New Mexico.

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Theguy @ 351:

Does any Obama supporter have any explanation as to his(as well as McCain and Hilary)'s obsession with Iran and 100% support for Israel? For what reason do they deserve billions of dollars of US taxpayer money? For what reason should we fight their wars for them?

It's basically a misunderstanding of parts of the Bible by "Christians" and "Jews" about the ancient meaning of Israel and wild mediocre misinterpretations about some prophecy meant to be studied and understood by learned scholars rather than perverted by cheap snake oil televangelist types.

It's Me's picture

"Barack Obama : The Next President Of The United States"

And what data gathered during the nomination process has led you to conclude that?

Is it his notable weakness with the major demographics needed to secure an Electoral victory, his notable weakness with the states needed to secure an Electoral victory, his notable weakness in winning votes in democratic primaries even from his own party, his notable weakness in being able to produce a single winning biographical detail to match his many, many more notable losing biographical details, his notable history of failing to "unite" anyone in the last 20 years of his personal and private life to accomplish anything more than express their disdain for white people, his embarrassing performance at virtually all of the debates, all of the above or are you "Not Yet Committed" on the overwhelmingly conclusive data?

Inquiring minds want to know.

tyree's picture

The Dude @ 361:

tyree @ 360:

The Dude @ 358:

tyree @ 338:

Your silly projection exercises bore me, get new material man....

and your blind obedience to just another paid off politician sucks the big one ! get a life go out and have a burger and a shake , maby that will relieve your boredom!

*yawn* As I said, projection, projection.... *yawn*

I am/was a Kucinich supporter, next...

tyree @ 362:

The Dude @ 361:

tyree @ 360:

The Dude @ 358: and your blind obedience to just another paid off politician sucks the big one ! get a life go out and have a burger and a shake , maby that will relieve your boredom!

*yawn* As I said, projection, projection.... *yawn*

I am/was a Kucinich supporter, next...

ok maby a good nights sleep then!

hey what are we argueing for , i am was still am a kucinich supporter , guess youll be writeing in your kucinich vote on the ballot too, boy its a strange world huh?

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liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

Rob @ 341:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 336:

There is a difference. The haters who are preaching black liberation theology are some of his closest friends. Nice language loser.

I am quite certain that you have no clue what "liberation theology" is all about.

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

"Black liberation theology"? His closest friends? LOL. Sounds like somebody is suffering from "Caucasian paranoia". Like that phrase too asshole?

Kathleen's picture

Dave @ 365:

Theguy @ 351:

Does any Obama supporter have any explanation as to his(as well as McCain and Hilary)'s obsession with Iran and 100% support for Israel? For what reason do they deserve billions of dollars of US taxpayer money? For what reason should we fight their wars for them?

It's basically a misunderstanding of parts of the Bible by "Christians" and "Jews" about the ancient meaning of Israel and wild mediocre misinterpretations about some prophecy meant to be studied and understood by learned scholars rather than perverted by cheap snake oil televangelist types.

And right wing radical zionist

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liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

Rob @ 341:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 336:

There is a difference. The haters who are preaching black liberation theology are some of his closest friends. Nice language loser.

I am quite certain that you have no clue what "liberation theology" is all about.

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

The difference is those other guys (hagee et al.) only hate teh gay and the brown. So, it's all good. Now, if you preach against the white guy. Well, hell hath no fury.....

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tyree @ 367:

hey what are we argueing for , i am was still am a kucinich supporter , guess youll be writeing in your kucinich vote on the ballot too, boy its a strange world huh?

That is a stupid way of wasting a vote. He is not the nominee, and he (Kucinich) has not been in the nomination for a while now.

But looking at how you have criticism to spare only for Obama, while blatantly ignoring Hillary or even the GOP field. I dunno, I will take your support for Kucinich with a grain of salt.

Anyhow, this election is way too important. If you are considering wasting your vote, I can not take seriously anything you have to say. Good bye.

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The Dude @ 356:

Paul @ 352:

xoites defends Constitution @ 79:

Denny's @ 68:

I like Kucinich but Obama can't and won't pick him. Kucinich is a fine example of an experienced polititian who has not matured. I really like him and support him, but he needs to grow a lot.

I could see Kucinich as the next Speaker of the House. He has consistently been the most ardent member standing for defense of the Constitution, which has only made Pelosi's dereliction and failures in that regard stand out all the more.

Kucinich is my boy. However, the problem is that he is not corporate enough... thus the big wigs will never give him any real position of power.

Both parties are bought and paid for by corporate interests.

Yup. The corporate media viewed Kucinich as the biggest threat to the corporate takeover of government, which is why he was treated so shamefully by them during the debates. It was essential to them that he be discredited and his ideas silenced. The media engineered things through their manipulation of public perceptions so that only those whom they viewed as being their most likely champoins would survive the early primaries process. I was willing to write Obama off as just one more corporately owned and operated waldo unit like HRC, McChimpy and such. Until...the FISA vote, where not only did he show up, but he voted on the side of the Constitution and on the side of the American People. That really surprised me. HRC couldn't be bothered to show up and McCain is already a known fascist. I'm hoping, that Obama's for the Constitution and has just kept his peace after seeing how the media screwed the other candidates like Kucinich, Gravel and Dodd who did speak out. We'll see.....

CD's picture

The New Frontier is here whether we seek it or not.

Beyond that frontier are uncharted areas of science and space, unsolved problems of peace and war, unconquered problems of ignorance and prejudice, unanswered questions of poverty and surplus. It would be easier to shrink from that new frontier, to look to the safe mediocrity of the past, to be lulled by good intentions and high rhetoric -- and those who prefer that course should not vote for me or the Democratic Party.

But I believe that the times require imagination and courage and perseverance. I'm asking each of you to be pioneers towards that New Frontier. My call is to the young in heart, regardless of age--to the stout in spirit, regardless of Party, to all who respond to the scriptural call: "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be [thou] dismayed."

JFK

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Left&Left @ 368:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

Rob @ 341:

I am quite certain that you have no clue what "liberation theology" is all about.

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

"Black liberation theology"? His closest friends? LOL. Sounds like somebody is suffering from "Caucasian paranoia". Like that phrase too asshole?

Hey L&L! Yeah, he's suffering from Caucasoidal Paranoia and Bi-Polar Penile Dyslexia!
So, anyway...despite these trolls trying to piss on everyones parade...today is GREAT day !

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Fanon @ 370:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

Rob @ 341:

I am quite certain that you have no clue what "liberation theology" is all about.

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

The difference is those other guys (hagee et al.) only hate teh gay and the brown. So, it's all good. Now, if you preach against the white guy. Well, hell hath no fury.....

I think it is fascinating how recollecting what "the white guy" has done in the past can be considered as "preaching against the white guy."

Rob's picture

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

Rob @ 341:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 336:

There is a difference. The haters who are preaching black liberation theology are some of his closest friends. Nice language loser.

I am quite certain that you have no clue what "liberation theology" is all about.

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

Rev Wright mentions in interviews that James H.Cone is a great teacher of Black Liberation Theology and an inspiration to him. In Cone’s book he states “Black theology refuses to accept a god who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If god is not for us and against white people then he is a murderer and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of god which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless god is participating in this holy activity we must reject his love.” That is what Rev Wright preaches. Obama has been listening to this crap for over 20 years. Wright and Obama also have ties to Louis Farrakhan who has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” That is not the type of politician I am looking for.

tyree's picture

The Dude @ 371:

tyree @ 367:

hey what are we argueing for , i am was still am a kucinich supporter , guess youll be writeing in your kucinich vote on the ballot too, boy its a strange world huh?

That is a stupid way of wasting a vote. He is not the nominee, and he (Kucinich) has not been in the nomination for a while now.

But looking at how you have criticism to spare only for Obama, while blatantly ignoring Hillary or even the GOP field. I dunno, I will take your support for Kucinich with a grain of salt.

Anyhow, this election is way too important. If you are considering wasting your vote, I can not take seriously anything you have to say. Good bye.

good now get some sleep

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Rob @ 341:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 336:

Rob @ 331:

Obama's church teaches black liberation theology which is a form of racism. The garbage they preach and the fact that Obama sat and listened to it for 20 years and calls these nuts his friends is bizarre to me. Why would you want to surround yourself with such radical people who preach hate? I will not even consider voting for him.

Rob, Rob, Rob... why are you even here? You're trying to pick a fight with people whose minds are already made up. We are not even close to being dumb enough to be duped by your paltry attacks on Obama.

Go somewhere else where people are more naive and less likely to question your very simplistic argument. Also, by the way, some of us here are black and go to these churches weekly.

I can't speak for everyone else on this blog, but I personally believe that if I were a 65 year old black man, having lived through Jim Crow, lynchings, segregation, racism, violence, and organized terror and oppression, I would be a lot more angry than Reverend Wright. It's a good thing he's a Christian.

The Klan burned a cross in my grandfather's yard in 1986 simply because he didn't speak English very well and was a Catholic immigrant living in an all white suburb of Houston, Texas. So, do I understand where Reverend Wright is coming from? Your darn right I do.

To say that "Black Liberation Theology" is racist is horribly naive. It is patently impossible for a black American to have any power over whites in this country. Wright served his country in both the Marine Corps and the Navy, is a college graduate and worked tirelessly for the poor citizens of the South side Chicago neighborhood that he lived in.

Did he say some shocking things? Did he say something that hurt your lily-white little ears? Are you shocked that a man who was called "boy" and "Ni#$#r" by mainstream America for most of his life would lash out at that country that said those horrible, hurtful things? Well, I'm sorry you're so sheltered that you've never been oppressed.

You've never known what that pain is like, so perhaps you should just keep quiet and keep your simplistic opinions to yourself. Or better yet, go sell it somewhere where the collective IQ is closer to yours. I would suggest michellemalkin.com or any number of right-wing blogs. Your brand of ignorance would be appreciated there.

Shame on you, the mainstream media and the political witch-hunting climate in this country that make it okay to sum up the life of one man by a single sound- bite taken out of context.

I, for one, will make my political mind up based on well-reasoned, sound political views that I hold very dear. Sound bites be damned.

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The Dude @ 375:

Fanon @ 370:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

The difference is those other guys (hagee et al.) only hate teh gay and the brown. So, it's all good. Now, if you preach against the white guy. Well, hell hath no fury.....

I think it is fascinating how recollecting what "the white guy" has done in the past can be considered as "preaching against the white guy."

I guess I should have put "preach against" in quotes as it's the way some people see it, although you are quite correct that it is just pointing out the truth.

Paul's picture

Hiya, tyree!

Long time no see. Hope yer well.

Kathleen's picture

Paul @ 372:

The Dude @ 356:

Paul @ 352:

xoites defends Constitution @ 79:

I could see Kucinich as the next Speaker of the House. He has consistently been the most ardent member standing for defense of the Constitution, which has only made Pelosi's dereliction and failures in that regard stand out all the more.

Kucinich is my boy. However, the problem is that he is not corporate enough... thus the big wigs will never give him any real position of power.

Both parties are bought and paid for by corporate interests.

Yup. The corporate media viewed Kucinich as the biggest threat to the corporate takeover of government, which is why he was treated so shamefully by them during the debates. It was essential to them that he be discredited and his ideas silenced. The media engineered things through their manipulation of public perceptions so that only those whom they viewed as being their most likely champoins would survive the early primaries process. I was willing to write Obama off as just one more corporately owned and operated waldo unit like HRC, McChimpy and such. Until...the FISA vote, where not only did he show up, but he voted on the side of the Constitution and on the side of the American People. That really surprised me. HRC couldn't be bothered to show up and McCain is already a known fascist. I'm hoping, that Obama's for the Constitution and has just kept his peace after seeing how the media screwed the other candidates like Kucinich, Gravel and Dodd who did speak out. We'll see.....

Kucinich is the real deal and threatens the powers that be.

tyree's picture

Paul @ 380:

Hiya, tyree!

Long time no see. Hope yer well.

hi paul ! yeah still here , where yah been hideing? im just joining in the obama love fest!

Kathleen's picture

Justin Raimando over at antiwar.com asking
will Obama stand up to the war party? (aipac)
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12942

Rob's picture

johnnypunchclock @ 378:

Rob @ 341:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 336:

Rob @ 331:

Rob, Rob, Rob... why are you even here? You're trying to pick a fight with people whose minds are already made up. We are not even close to being dumb enough to be duped by your paltry attacks on Obama.

Go somewhere else where people are more naive and less likely to question your very simplistic argument. Also, by the way, some of us here are black and go to these churches weekly.

I can't speak for everyone else on this blog, but I personally believe that if I were a 65 year old black man, having lived through Jim Crow, lynchings, segregation, racism, violence, and organized terror and oppression, I would be a lot more angry than Reverend Wright. It's a good thing he's a Christian.

The Klan burned a cross in my grandfather's yard in 1986 simply because he didn't speak English very well and was a Catholic immigrant living in an all white suburb of Houston, Texas. So, do I understand where Reverend Wright is coming from? Your darn right I do.

To say that "Black Liberation Theology" is racist is horribly naive. It is patently impossible for a black American to have any power over whites in this country. Wright served his country in both the Marine Corps and the Navy, is a college graduate and worked tirelessly for the poor citizens of the South side Chicago neighborhood that he lived in.

Did he say some shocking things? Did he say something that hurt your lily-white little ears? Are you shocked that a man who was called "boy" and "Ni#$#r" by mainstream America for most of his life would lash out at that country that said those horrible, hurtful things? Well, I'm sorry you're so sheltered that you've never been oppressed.

You've never known what that pain is like, so perhaps you should just keep quiet and keep your simplistic opinions to yourself. Or better yet, go sell it somewhere where the collective IQ is closer to yours. I would suggest michellemalkin.com or any number of right-wing blogs. Your brand of ignorance would be appreciated there.

Shame on you, the mainstream media and the political witch-hunting climate in this country that make it okay to sum up the life of one man by a single sound- bite taken out of context.

I, for one, will make my political mind up based on well-reasoned, sound political views that I hold very dear. Sound bites be damned.

I will go now. I have a business meeting in a half an hour and since it is lunch time I'm sure your mommy is in the kitchen making you a sandwich.

Paul's picture

Kathleen @ 381 - You got that right.

Tyree,

Been busy with this and that. Still kicking. Every day above ground, ya know?

Theguy's picture

Kathleen @ 357:

Although I have to give it to Obama when it comes to Iran. At least he is willing to use the words "negotiate and diplomacy" when it comes to Iran and other "alleged" enemies that Israel tells us that we should have.

But he JUST said in a speech that "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat." I'm thinking his diplomacy will be more like threats and ransom.

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Left&Left @ 340:

Chuck @ 337:

Pilger writes:

"The US is also engaged in attacks or subversion against Somalia, Lebanon,
Syria, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Bolivia and Venezuela. A new military
command, Africom, is being set up to fight proxy wars for control of Africa's
oil and other riches. With US missiles soon to be stationed provocatively on
Russia's borders, the Cold War is back. None of these piracies and dangers has
raised a whisper in the presidential campaign, not least from its great liberal
hope."

Actually it's worse than that, because the great liberal hope has in fact raised
more than a whisper IN FAVOR OF this foreign policy, from Cuba (where he vocally
favors continuing the U.S.' economic war) to Iran (where he favors intensifying
economic war) to Afghanistan (where he's for sending more troops), to Sudan
(where he calls for the U.S. to "implement and help to enforce a no-fly zone" -
shades of Iraq), to Lebanon, where he brags about "insisting that Israel should
not be pressured into a ceasefire" in its war, to Colombia, where he says "we
will fully support Colombia’s fight against the FARC," to Venezuela, where he
demonstrates hostile intent by asserting that Chavez' "actions just serve his
own power," and, over and above the specifics, "Obama will make the investments
we need so that the finest military in the world is best-prepared to meet
21st-century threats" and "Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding
65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines" (both statements from his website).

If only he HAD been silent on these issues, it might offer more "hope."

And what the fuck does this one man's opinions have to do with Obama, health care, gas prices, foreclosures, unemployment....

Health care, gas prices, foreclosures, unemployment, etc are all related to a dollar that is losing purchasing power (because, in part, of our wreckless deficit spending both at home and abroad). None of the 3 major candidates (Hillary, Obama, McCain) seem to be talking much (if at all?) about the plunging dollar. If they (the legislative branch, which includes, Hillary, Obama, and McCain) were doing their job correctly right now, these things wouldn't be an issue. How are we supposed to have Hope in them fixing things when they have failed to take action on, or even discuss, the real problems while they were in power in the legislative branch. Does moving into the executive branch suddenly make you more insightful?

The sad thing is that the American people are being presented these retards as presidential choices and most of the American people will foolishly limit themselves to picking from the list of "chosen ones".

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L.A. Confidential @ 4:

He's going to be a busy boy.
http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Iraq/10218150.html

Make that a busy MAN. You don't call a black man "boy".

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Rob, you're a troll. I fell for it and gave you a well-reasoned response to your inanity. Your response was as lackluster as your grammar.

Typical rethug: when faced with an intelligent well, reasoned argument, you resort to pathetic name-calling and childish insults.

Here's my prediction: Obama will be the next president of the United States. And I will drink champagne and think of you.

Cheers!

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Theguy @ 386:

Kathleen @ 357:

Although I have to give it to Obama when it comes to Iran. At least he is willing to use the words "negotiate and diplomacy" when it comes to Iran and other "alleged" enemies that Israel tells us that we should have.

But he JUST said in a speech that "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat." I'm thinking his diplomacy will be more like threats and ransom.

i have vishions of mushroom clouds, wheres condi when you need her? and who will be the next judas goat declareing an immidiate and ever present danger ? shades of days of old, nothing changes !

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noitaluspacne @ 387:

Left&Left @ 340:

Chuck @ 337:

Pilger writes:

"The US is also engaged in attacks or subversion against Somalia, Lebanon,
Syria, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Bolivia and Venezuela. A new military
command, Africom, is being set up to fight proxy wars for control of Africa's
oil and other riches. With US missiles soon to be stationed provocatively on
Russia's borders, the Cold War is back. None of these piracies and dangers has
raised a whisper in the presidential campaign, not least from its great liberal
hope."

Actually it's worse than that, because the great liberal hope has in fact raised
more than a whisper IN FAVOR OF this foreign policy, from Cuba (where he vocally
favors continuing the U.S.' economic war) to Iran (where he favors intensifying
economic war) to Afghanistan (where he's for sending more troops), to Sudan
(where he calls for the U.S. to "implement and help to enforce a no-fly zone" -
shades of Iraq), to Lebanon, where he brags about "insisting that Israel should
not be pressured into a ceasefire" in its war, to Colombia, where he says "we
will fully support Colombia’s fight against the FARC," to Venezuela, where he
demonstrates hostile intent by asserting that Chavez' "actions just serve his
own power," and, over and above the specifics, "Obama will make the investments
we need so that the finest military in the world is best-prepared to meet
21st-century threats" and "Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding
65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines" (both statements from his website).

If only he HAD been silent on these issues, it might offer more "hope."

And what the fuck does this one man's opinions have to do with Obama, health care, gas prices, foreclosures, unemployment....

Health care, gas prices, foreclosures, unemployment, etc are all related to a dollar that is losing purchasing power (because, in part, of our wreckless deficit spending both at home and abroad). None of the 3 major candidates (Hillary, Obama, McCain) seem to be talking much (if at all?) about the plunging dollar. If they (the legislative branch, which includes, Hillary, Obama, and McCain) were doing their job correctly right now, these things wouldn't be an issue. How are we supposed to have Hope in them fixing things when they have failed to take action on, or even discuss, the real problems while they were in power in the legislative branch. Does moving into the executive branch suddenly make you more insightful?

The sad thing is that the American people are being presented these retards as presidential choices and most of the American people will foolishly limit themselves to picking from the list of "chosen ones".

Interesting, but Obama still has nothing to do with Pilger's comments. You people are wasting YOUR time here with Hannity inspired "church conspiracies".

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Rob@384 "I've got a business meeting in a half an hour."
Yeah whatever. Hey Rob, tell the Grand Wizard at your meeting that your "black friend" Left&Left said, What it be like. Aahahahahahaha!!!

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Rob @ 376:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

Rob @ 341:

I am quite certain that you have no clue what "liberation theology" is all about.

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

Rev Wright mentions in interviews that James H.Cone is a great teacher of Black Liberation Theology and an inspiration to him. In Cone’s book he states “Black theology refuses to accept a god who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If god is not for us and against white people then he is a murderer and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of god which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless god is participating in this holy activity we must reject his love.” That is what Rev Wright preaches. Obama has been listening to this crap for over 20 years. Wright and Obama also have ties to Louis Farrakhan who has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” That is not the type of politician I am looking for.

Rob....what ignorant, right wing hate-site did you glean this little nugget of bullshit from?

ysbaddaden's picture

Am I the only one to think the Obama's are in desperate need for a makeover?

Barack's wearing a fiitted suit not seen for 45 years, and probably last time on Rob Petrie

And Michelle is wearing a flip style not seen in 45 years last worn by Jackie Kennedy and Laura Petrie.

http://www.geocities.com/roblaurafl/roblaura.jpg

Zenrage's picture

I'll reserve pride until he does a good job as president. I'm still not convinced he is the best man for the job.

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johnnypunchclock @ 389:

Rob, you're a troll. I fell for it and gave you a well-reasoned response to your inanity. Your response was as lackluster as your grammar.

Typical rethug: when faced with an intelligent well, reasoned argument, you resort to pathetic name-calling and childish insults.

Here's my prediction: Obama will be the next president of the United States. And I will drink champagne and think of you.

Cheers!

I'll be drinkin a beer m'self, but I'm damn sure gonna be raising my glass(repeatedly and with gusto) on that day!
I can't FRIGGIN WAIT to see the looks on the faces of people like Rob. I will have my camera ready.

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Zenrage @ 395:

I'll reserve pride until he does a good job as president. I'm still not convinced he is the best man for the job.

I hear ya, but he's a damn sight better than McCain!

L.A. Confidential's picture

Meanwhile outside the bubble.

Aipac 2008 policy conference

Obama, will have the opportunity to defend his Iran position tomorrow when he scheduled to address the group.

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kathleen @ 23:

cjsmn @ 12:

Just got home from the rally, it was phenomenal.

Are you on a cloud? Glad you were able to go. What was the crowd makeup? Were folks excited? All we got to see are the planned folks behind Obama.

I really am on a cloud, waited for 3 hours to get in..and was one of the last few who made it. The lines to get in wrapped around St. Paul, I've never felt such amazing energy. Most people were on their feet the entire time. Wow, what a night.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 25:

Bill the Thinker @ 19:

Next Prez..... i hope the hell so. But just remember , this is going to be a tough fight! The repugs will have many tricks up there sleeves and this country is very susceptible to such nonsense. Remember, they voted in out current asshole TWICE!!!!!

One debate between Obama and McCain and the fight is over.

I don't know where you were, but I watched Bush get pummeled by both Gore and Kerry and it didn't make one bit of difference.

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dw @ 34:

he will make a fine prez. but there is no way in hell he is going to change washington.
its too much of a business for there to be change.

Step by step. We need to start it now.

Enough with the negative vibes!

mndem's picture

That speech was worth the 3 1/2 hours i stood in line. Surrounded by great people hearing a great speech from our next president.

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Stan "Bitter Hussein" Rosenthal @ 21:

Don't worry about it, kath. The general election has only just begun. And McCain't will run his campaign like he's Bob Dole.

Trust me on this.

I'm worried, The numbers that they run on Obama against MCCain are too close for comfort. If Obama picks Hillary, can you imagine Obama Michelle, Hillary and Bill on stage together. I am sorry it is a winning ticket. Throw in John Edwards as Attorney General, Wesley Clark as Secretary of Defense, Joe Biden as Secretary of State, Kucinich for Secretary of the Dept of Peace. Pull them all together and let's finish the election now.

wonder if they will ever report anything about the situation in Afghanistan or Iraq on the mainstream again. Hell for 16 months all it has been is election election election. If I were a soldier serving in Iraq I would be pissed

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kathleen @ 23:

cjsmn @ 12:

Just got home from the rally, it was phenomenal.

Are you on a cloud? Glad you were able to go. What was the crowd makeup? Were folks excited? All we got to see are the planned folks behind Obama.

How can you plant 32,000 people?

ldzppln's picture

With a big win in Montana tonight, does Obama end up with the most popular votes? Not that it matters, but Hillary has been making the claim lately about having the most popular votes, and I thought MSNBC showed a graphic earlier this evening before the S.D. votes came in showing her with a 5k popular vote lead. Hillary will win S.D. by about 11k votes, but Obama is on track to win Montana by 40k or better.

Not sure what fuzzy math Hillary has been using, and I'm not sure what MSNBC was using either.

katy's picture

Barack Obama : The Next President Of The United States

thank you for that.

wish it really was over... until hillary calls for unity, NOW, i'm still nervous...

g'nite all...

L.A. Confidential's picture

Can you imagine coming into the Oval Office in 09 knowing that there are no capital reserves left, the nation is $20 trillion in debt, $53 trillion in worthless IOU's, all of the capital marketplaces are teetering, and the nation is bleeding red ink at the rate of $1.43 billion per day?

Mister Anderson's picture

C&L is like the Tim Russert of political blogs. Once they declare the nominee, you can take it to the bank since they won't even budge before! :-)

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L.A. Confidential @ 45:

Can you imagine coming into the Oval Office in 09 knowing that there are no capital reserves left, the nation is $20 trillion in debt, $53 trillion in worthless IOU's, all of the capital marketplaces are teetering, and the nation is bleeding red ink at the rate of $1.43 billion per day?

Yep, I do it everyday in my marriage!

Iocky's picture

The folks directly behind any candidate are often chosen. ( I have witnessed this over and over again). The cameras did not span the crowd.

Yes they did -- regularly.

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Left&Left @ 391:

noitaluspacne @ 387:

Left&Left @ 340:

Chuck @ 337:

And what the fuck does this one man's opinions have to do with Obama, health care, gas prices, foreclosures, unemployment....

Health care, gas prices, foreclosures, unemployment, etc are all related to a dollar that is losing purchasing power (because, in part, of our wreckless deficit spending both at home and abroad). None of the 3 major candidates (Hillary, Obama, McCain) seem to be talking much (if at all?) about the plunging dollar. If they (the legislative branch, which includes, Hillary, Obama, and McCain) were doing their job correctly right now, these things wouldn't be an issue. How are we supposed to have Hope in them fixing things when they have failed to take action on, or even discuss, the real problems while they were in power in the legislative branch. Does moving into the executive branch suddenly make you more insightful?

The sad thing is that the American people are being presented these retards as presidential choices and most of the American people will foolishly limit themselves to picking from the list of "chosen ones".

Interesting, but Obama still has nothing to do with Pilger's comments. You people are wasting YOUR time here with Hannity inspired "church conspiracies".

I don't know who Pilger is or from what source his comments are taken, but looking at Obama's own website seems to back up some of what Pilger is stating.

Mike's picture

Sooo, this is thanks to Rush Limbaugh, correct? I mean, Operation Chaos was more than a science fiction novel, right?

CD's picture

Didn't I post a JFK quote here?

CD's picture

My bad.

Left&Left's picture

noitaluspacne @ 399:

Left&Left @ 391:

noitaluspacne @ 387:

Left&Left @ 340:

Health care, gas prices, foreclosures, unemployment, etc are all related to a dollar that is losing purchasing power (because, in part, of our wreckless deficit spending both at home and abroad). None of the 3 major candidates (Hillary, Obama, McCain) seem to be talking much (if at all?) about the plunging dollar. If they (the legislative branch, which includes, Hillary, Obama, and McCain) were doing their job correctly right now, these things wouldn't be an issue. How are we supposed to have Hope in them fixing things when they have failed to take action on, or even discuss, the real problems while they were in power in the legislative branch. Does moving into the executive branch suddenly make you more insightful?

The sad thing is that the American people are being presented these retards as presidential choices and most of the American people will foolishly limit themselves to picking from the list of "chosen ones".

Interesting, but Obama still has nothing to do with Pilger's comments. You people are wasting YOUR time here with Hannity inspired "church conspiracies".

I don't know who Pilger is or from what source his comments are taken, but looking at Obama's own website seems to back up some of what Pilger is stating.

You may not know this, but you're a troll. The only reason we are discussing Pilger is because of the comments at Trinity Church two weeks ago. Other than those unfortunate statements by the pastor, what are you talking about? You've got nothing.

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When I asked my dad what he thought of Obama's victory, he said that Obama recently slipped up and said that there are 57 United States instead of 50, and mixed up with Sioux City with Sioux Falls. (I heard something about the latter gaffe, but not the former.)

I replied, well, we've had eight years of Bush screwing up the language, making stupid errors and mistakes and exhibiting unseemly, unstatesmanlike behavior. There was silence on the other end of the line.

Some people just can't bring themselves to vote for the better candidate. They just can't. He'll go for McCain, no matter how unsuitable the old fool is.

Paul's picture

ysbaddaden @ 394:

Am I the only one to think the Obama's are in desperate need for a makeover?

Barack's wearing a fiitted suit not seen for 45 years, and probably last time on Rob Petrie

And Michelle is wearing a flip style not seen in 45 years last worn by Jackie Kennedy and Laura Petrie.

http://www.geocities.com/roblaurafl/roblaura.jpg

Has it been that long? Damn...time flies.

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Left&Left @ 403:

noitaluspacne @ 399:

Left&Left @ 391:

noitaluspacne @ 387:
Interesting, but Obama still has nothing to do with Pilger's comments. You people are wasting YOUR time here with Hannity inspired "church conspiracies".

I don't know who Pilger is or from what source his comments are taken, but looking at Obama's own website seems to back up some of what Pilger is stating.

You may not know this, but you're a troll. The only reason we are discussing Pilger is because of the comments at Trinity Church two weeks ago. Other than those unfortunate statements by the pastor, what are you talking about? You've got nothing.

I was pointing out how Obama cannot fix the problems of health care, gas prices, foreclosures, etc because he doesn't understand or doesn't want to address the cause of the problem. Moreover, he (and the rest of our legislature) is actually helping to make the problems even worse by failing to take action... If you look at his foreign policy, while not as overtly belligerent as our current one, it is still more of the same. Which, by the way, we cannot afford.

If this makes me a troll, fine. I'll extricate myself from here and let you get back to discussing your cherished delusions.

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L.A. Confidential @ 6:

Don Davis @ 5:

It’s Official! Obama’s the Presumptive Nominee; McCain the Presumptive Abominee

Wow, that makes two presumptive nominees.

that's no lie....I thought it was based on pledged delegates, not begging SD's to come over to step on Hillary Clinton's win in SD (which obama was supposedly going to win).
Maybe Hillary should have beaten obama to the punch and declared herself the nominee....Chicago style politics by obama....can you say business as usual?

DENVER HERE WE COME.

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I think Obama will be Jimmy Carter 2, that is not a compliment. However none of the candidates are good. They are all crooks.

I hope Obama does win (although I will not vote for him) because I think whomever is President will be terrible. But with Obama we will have the 1st black President so hopefully that will put Sharpton and Jackson out to pasture for good.

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Mike @ 258:

I hope not. For the first time in my 58 years, I will be voting republican. And it disgusts me. He hesitated too long before disavowing himself of Rev. Wright's hate mongering. And Ms. O considers a substantial portion of our population "whitey". I expect narrow mindedness from repbulicans. Not from Democrats.

i.e. - "I'm a racist."

Rob's picture

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 393:

Rob @ 376:

liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 363:

The Dude @ 353:

I asked him to enlighten me...I'm still waiting.

Rev Wright mentions in interviews that James H.Cone is a great teacher of Black Liberation Theology and an inspiration to him. In Cone’s book he states “Black theology refuses to accept a god who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If god is not for us and against white people then he is a murderer and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of god which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless god is participating in this holy activity we must reject his love.” That is what Rev Wright preaches. Obama has been listening to this crap for over 20 years. Wright and Obama also have ties to Louis Farrakhan who has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” That is not the type of politician I am looking for.

Rob....what ignorant, right wing hate-site did you glean this little nugget of bullshit from?

I didn’t get this info from a website. I saw Rev Wright on television praising the teachings of James H.Cone. I wrote down the authors name and the next time I went to the book store I started reading through Cone’s book called “Black Theology & Black Power.” That is where I got the quote from in my previous post.

So let me get this straight. Rev. Wright is on television defending what he preaches, which is Black Liberation Theology. While defending himself he recommends reading works by James H Cone to understand it better. I take his advice a look up Cone. I post a quote from the book which is clearly filled with hate and some of you attack me. You can look up the quote for yourself at your local book store.

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I doubt Obama will win in November. His hope dope nonsense will not resonate past the naive white kids, old hippies, and blacks that have supported him. America is in real trouble and hope dope and changeness are not going to cut it from now until November. Obama is Republican lite. He uses rightwing talking points when discussing labor and unions, health care, social security, and medicare. Obama is a misogynist ageist and will leave a bad taste in well over 18 million Democratic voters mouths once he is no longer the media darling. Remember this; there can only be one media darling and while all of the Obamabots here and at Kos and Huffington are so emotionally invested in Obama that they pee their pants every time he speaks the corporate media is just that emotionally invested in John McCain. The kid gloves treatment Bambi has had up to now will end. The corporate media has been wanting to defeat a Clinton since 1992 so Bambi has been given a pass. I guarantee that he will be asked to name all 57 states he has campaigned in, or when he was born and when his parents met from now on.

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liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 268:

Mike @ 258:

I hope not. For the first time in my 58 years, I will be voting republican. And it disgusts me. He hesitated too long before disavowing himself of Rev. Wright's hate mongering. And Ms. O considers a substantial portion of our population "whitey". I expect narrow mindedness from repbulicans. Not from Democrats.

Umm....sooo...Mike...if you aren't in fact a troll....then you have fallen for right wing propaganda.
Sad really.

Shan

@ 260:

Mike @ 258:

I hope not. For the first time in my 58 years, I will be voting republican. And it disgusts me. He hesitated too long before disavowing himself of Rev. Wright's hate mongering. And Ms. O considers a substantial portion of our population "whitey". I expect narrow mindedness from repbulicans. Not from Democrats.

It's really a lose - lose. Throw someone under the bus too soon and you're accused of political expediency. Throw them under the bus too late and they'll accuse you of not refuting them fast enough.

And does anyone even know about the thousands of hours of community work and social programmes that Reverend Wright has done for the people of his community? Does that excuse him or anyone else for anything they say? Obviously not but there's more to Reverend Wright (as it is to most people) than the picture they're painting of him.

Also, as for Michelle Obama and what she's alleged to have said - it is possibly a right wing smear, isn't it? Look what happened to Michael Richards, it was on youtube almost immediately. Maybe it's possible - there - is - no - tape - and - maybe Michelle Obama - never - said - it!

Finally consider what kind of Supreme Court judges we're going to get if the Republicans win.

Shan

re: post 260 - Nice, reasonable, intelligent response. I appreciate that.

Liberal... regarding post 268 - I am not a troll, and have not fallen for any right wing bull. It is sad that you jump to such a conclusion. You are part of the problem, not the solution. You are one of the reasons (as am I) that my party will lose in the long run. Democrats have not learned what the republicans learned in the 70s and 80s. We are too stupid to win anything of consequence.

The rest of you assholes, you make me sick. You are combative, rude and ignorant. No wonder we can't sustain as a party. You are morons to whom free speech is important for those who spit your venom, but not for anyone else.

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Hooray!! Maybe now he can re-authorize the patriot act again, this time from the executive branch!!! On the bright side, thought, atleast he's not a clinton. But here's what i really want to say: "Optimists often point to the fact that Barrack Obama is half black, but me, i'm more pessamistic - I will always see him as half white."

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NAW,NAW,NAW not GAWD bless AmeriKKKa! For the first time in my adult life, campaigned in all 57 States,circumstances and time of fathers getting here, circumstances and time of parents meeting,I worked 4 or 5 hours for this individual, our kids go to the same school, a black man is steeling my show! Yeah, obamalamadingdong will be the next President, when my asshole learns to fart the Star Spangled Banner!

Done's picture

Gee isn't that what everyone was saying about Hillary a year ago..."You are looking at the next President of the United States..."? Watch out! Not a whole lot of people thought that John McCain would be where he is today. He may be more formidable then you think and over confidence certainly didn't help Hillary. I am one Democrat who is going to vote for McCain for several different reasons but the major one is this.....The world America finds itslef in today is not a world for a novice. Tough decisions will need to be made. Also I think by the time November rolls around things in Iraq are going to be much different and independents and moderates may be confronted with the prospect that perhaps George and therefore John were on the right track as it regards Iraq after all. Five months in politics is a trip across the milky way and back. Another thing is that by November the prospect of someone calling for a tax increase is going to look really hard to support wiht the way costs of everyday items are soaring. Lots of people are going to be thinking Gee should I buy bread or support a guy who wants to raise my taxes...Hmmmm let me think! Oh and by the way 2012 no matter who wins... WE WILL STILL BE IN IRAQ!

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secularhumanizinevoluter @ 414:

NAW,NAW,NAW not GAWD bless AmeriKKKa! For the first time in my adult life, campaigned in all 57 States,circumstances and time of fathers getting here, circumstances and time of parents meeting,I worked 4 or 5 hours for this individual, our kids go to the same school, a black man is steeling my show! Yeah, obamalamadingdong will be the next President, when my asshole learns to fart the Star Spangled Banner!

And the trolls come out... But what do you mean when your asshole learns to fart the Star Spangled Banner? Seriously you can't do it? I can, and believe me it's very impressive. You don't really need to have your brain located in your rear, just strong sphincter muscle control. Seriously, American citizens should all have that, I mean each time Bush and now McCain talk about how wonderful a job we are doing in Iraq my ass clinches automatically in 'patriotic' dread.

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kathleen @ 15:

I don't buy it. This should be a "slam dunk" year for the Democrats and the numbers against McCain are just too close for comfort.

Obama's media magicians ran a great campaign based on "hope and change" But when you get down to it what has Obama done that has reflected "hope and change"?

Obama needs Hillary's older white woman vote, and those older white women are going to stick to Hillary's side by burrs. They want to witness Hillary in first or second command and they want it now!

People around the world want Americans to quit talking about "change". They want Americans to BE THE CHANGE! Live more simply so that they can SIMPLY LIVE.

Be the change that's the ticket

the task for dems between now and november is to help blue collar fellas and shuffleboard grannies understand why a vote for john mccain's a vote against their own economic interests, as well as their families' personal safety.

shouldn't be too tricky.

and hillary can take a hike. no more clintons, no more damn bushes. this is america, we can do better.

maybe we dug "hatfields v. mccoys" in the 19th century, maybe we dug "dynasty" in the 20th century, but now it's the 21st century and we're about 8 yrs. behind the rest of the world.

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kathleen @ 41:

Stan "Bitter Hussein" Rosenthal @ 21:

Don't worry about it, kath. The general election has only just begun. And McCain't will run his campaign like he's Bob Dole.

Trust me on this.

I'm worried, The numbers that they run on Obama against MCCain are too close for comfort. If Obama picks Hillary, can you imagine Obama Michelle, Hillary and Bill on stage together. I am sorry it is a winning ticket. Throw in John Edwards as Attorney General, Wesley Clark as Secretary of Defense, Joe Biden as Secretary of State, Kucinich for Secretary of the Dept of Peace. Pull them all together and let's finish the election now.

wonder if they will ever report anything about the situation in Afghanistan or Iraq on the mainstream again. Hell for 16 months all it has been is election election election. If I were a soldier serving in Iraq I would be pissed

I wouldn't think so. They are all Democrats now.

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Barack Obama picking BILLARY Clinton as vice president will be like me picking a spitting Cobra as a room mate!

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kathleen @ 15:

I don't buy it. This should be a "slam dunk" year for the Democrats and the numbers against McCain are just too close for comfort.

Obama's media magicians ran a great campaign based on "hope and change" But when you get down to it what has Obama done that has reflected "hope and change"?

Obama needs Hillary's older white woman vote, and those older white women are going to stick to Hillary's side by burrs. They want to witness Hillary in first or second command and they want it now!

People around the world want Americans to quit talking about "change". They want Americans to BE THE CHANGE! Live more simply so that they can SIMPLY LIVE.

Be the change that's the ticket

You say....Obama’s media magicians ran a great campaign based on “hope and change” But when you get down to it what has Obama done that has reflected “hope and change”?

WTF are you talking about? Done? Done? What do you expect him to DO at this time. People like you and L.A. Confidential seem to think he can change oil prices, get us healthcare and stop the war while running in the primary. What kind of proof do you need? What kind of proof has Hillary offered you that Obama hasn't? These are just stupid strawman arguments that Hillary supporters use to keep the party divided. What kind of democrats are you that you won't vote for our nominee unless he kisses your asses. Are you willing to sacrifice the promise of healthcare and bringing our troops home and all the other things Obama talks for such petty reasons?

> ... I watched Bush get pummeled by both Gore and Kerry and it didn’t make one bit of difference.

I saw that too, but both Gore and Kerry didn't have the ability to landslide Bush (which is what Obama has the ability to do to McCain't.)

L.A. Confidential's picture

ldzppln @ 43:

With a big win in Montana tonight, does Obama end up with the most popular votes?

Nope. Hillary has gotten the most votes of any primary contender in U.S. Election History.

Just something to contemplate.

Ash"Hussy"Williams's picture

Hurray! The Great Primary Wars of 2008 are over!
Maybe...
We'll see after Hillary thinks it over.

And please, please, pleeeease don't "take it to Denver"!

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Mister Anderson @ 47:

L.A. Confidential @ 45:

Can you imagine coming into the Oval Office in 09 knowing that there are no capital reserves left, the nation is $20 trillion in debt, $53 trillion in worthless IOU's, all of the capital marketplaces are teetering, and the nation is bleeding red ink at the rate of $1.43 billion per day?

Yep, I do it everyday in my marriage!

LOL now we have something in common.

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Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 54:

Hurray! The Great Primary Wars of 2008 are over!
Maybe...
We'll see after Hillary thinks it over.

And please, please, pleeeease don't "take it to Denver"!

You guys worry to much. It's not going to harm anyone to let her go to Denver.

Jesse Jackson went to the convention even though he was loosing his butt.

Let it go already.

> Hillary has gotten the most votes of any primary contender in U.S. Election History.

Is it fair to say that Obama has done the best in Democratic caucases than any contender in U.S. election history?

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L.A. Confidential @ 53:

....Nope. Hillary has gotten the most votes of any primary contender in U.S. Election History.

Just something to contemplate.

...for another four years.

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L.A. Confidential @ 53:

ldzppln @ 43:

With a big win in Montana tonight, does Obama end up with the most popular votes?

Nope. Hillary has gotten the most votes of any primary contender in U.S. Election History.

Just something to contemplate.

Sorry. After tonight Obama now has the highest number of votes as well as the most delgates.

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Thanks for this post.

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Now that Barak has secured the nomination let me be the first to congratulate Sen John McCain on winning the presidency, no one has done more for the country and he deserves it!

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KYJurisDoctor @ 50:

Barack Obama picking BILLARY Clinton as vice president will be like me picking a spitting Cobra as a room mate!

You'd be mistaken not to take the automobile.
And at least you'd be able to guess the future behavior of the snake.

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I was not an Obama supporter when this process started. I felt and still feel he's no where near progressive enough and is too hawkish, and when you look close enough is backed by the same Washington insider's system he touts he's gonna change. When it became a two person race, I vetted him and HRC as two candidates who were much too moderate, but after 8 years of tyranny, I was hoping to be able to vote for someone who actually might be the next President. I still have my concerns about Obama, but HRC's campaign proved she might be similar to him in policy, but certainly not in ethics. While HRC kept playing the race-card, Obama made groundbreaking speeches on race in America. While HRC was a victim to MSM sexism, she choose to play victim as a political wedge. Obama took the racism and tried to use it as tool to legitimately generate thought (hence change). There is no doubt in my mind at this point, Obama is the best main stream candidate for President of the United States to win the nomination in my lifetime (b. 1971).
Can anyone honestly remember more of an outsider making it this far?
It's quite a moment.

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L.A. Confidential @ 53:

ldzppln @ 43:

With a big win in Montana tonight, does Obama end up with the most popular votes?

Nope. Hillary has gotten the most votes of any primary contender in U.S. Election History.

Just something to contemplate.

The numbers in both pop and elec shows she could whip McCain just on her own.

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fiver @ 27:

McCain is toast.

Oh no he ain't. He's got a lot of "independent cred" and if anyone needs reminding, the Democratic Party, oh, right, the Democrat Party, has an uncanny ability of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. We all need to make some noise and ring some doorbells to guarantee what should be A LANDSLIDE VICTORY. My hopes are that Hillary and Bubba line up and campaign like the pros they are. Obama, flanked by Hillary and Bill, regardless of who he chooses for his running mate...on the campaign trail?!! It'll be like a comic book splash page! Yes we can.

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L.A. Confidential @ 57:

Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 54:

Hurray! The Great Primary Wars of 2008 are over!
Maybe...
We'll see after Hillary thinks it over.

And please, please, pleeeease don't "take it to Denver"!

You guys worry to much. It's not going to harm anyone to let her go to Denver.

Jesse Jackson went to the convention even though he was loosing his butt.

Let it go already.

I've moved past "bitter'.
I'm now more... fatigued.

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Teddy Phuf @ 63:

I was not an Obama supporter when this process started. I felt and still feel he's no where near progressive enough and is too hawkish, and when you look close enough is backed by the same Washington insider's system he touts he's gonna change. When it became a two person race, I vetted him and HRC as two candidates who were much too moderate, but after 8 years of tyranny, I was hoping to be able to vote for someone who actually might be the next President. I still have my concerns about Obama, but HRC's campaign proved she might be similar to him in policy, but certainly not in ethics. While HRC kept playing the race-card, Obama made groundbreaking speeches on race in America. While HRC was a victim to MSM sexism, she choose to play victim as a political wedge. Obama took the racism and tried to use it as tool to legitimately generate thought (hence change). There is no doubt in my mind at this point, Obama is the best main stream candidate for President of the United States to win the nomination in my lifetime (b. 1971).
Can anyone honestly remember more of an outsider making it this far?
It's quite a moment.

I was born in 1956 and my thoughts are very simular to yours. As a white man who is anti racist this is a proud day in my life. He is either one very sincere man or he missed his calling as a spectacular actor.

I think he made the right choice.

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Posting in a legendary thread.

I get tears in my eyes every time I hear him speak. Do I even dare to be hopeful about the future, after this 8 year long nightmare? There is such a powerful inclination to be jaded and cynical. But, I just can't help myself: Watching and listening to Obama energizes me and makes me engaged and optimistic about the future of America in a way I have not felt in my entire 31 years on this planet.

I want to believe.

Obama 08.

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OBAMA/KUCINICH 2008!

President Barack Obama and Vice-President Dennis Kucinich

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guido @ 64:

fiver @ 27:

McCain is toast.

Oh no he ain't. He's got a lot of "independent cred" and if anyone needs reminding, the Democratic Party, oh, right, the Democrat Party, has an uncanny ability of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. We all need to make some noise and ring some doorbells to guarantee what should be A LANDSLIDE VICTORY. My hopes are that Hillary and Bubba line up and campaign like the pros they are. Obama, flanked by Hillary and Bill, regardless of who he chooses for his running mate...on the campaign trail?!! It'll be like a comic book splash page! Yes we can.

Our oldest ferret also has 'independent cred' and every time he goes into a coma we dose him with corn syrup and hes good to go.

Should work for McWhatdecade! too.

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L.A. Confidential @ 63:

L.A. Confidential @ 53:

ldzppln @ 43:

With a big win in Montana tonight, does Obama end up with the most popular votes?

Nope. Hillary has gotten the most votes of any primary contender in U.S. Election History.

Just something to contemplate.

The numbers in both pop and elec shows she could whip McCain just on her own.

Well then, since Obama got the popular vote and the delegate vote I guess that means Obama can whip McCain on his own.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 30:

miss_kitty @ 24:

xoites defends Constitution @ 14:

If Hillary Clinton works out a deal to be Vice President i am all for it, but i would think it might be a better idea for Obama to create a Department of Universal Health Care and name her Secretary.

So she can fuck it up again? No Thank You. She is not for single payer. And we deserve nothing less than that.

I agree, but i also think this is a fight that will take two to three more decades. She can get things moving in the right direction.

I disagree with you. Respectfully, of course :-). We've missed you around here

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miss_kitty @ 24:

xoites defends Constitution @ 14:

If Hillary Clinton works out a deal to be Vice President i am all for it, but i would think it might be a better idea for Obama to create a Department of Universal Health Care and name her Secretary.

So she can fuck it up again? No Thank You. She is not for single payer. And we deserve nothing less than that.

This job is better left to John Edwards. He was the real advocate all along for single payer. That is, if he is not chosen as a running mate.

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ldzppln @ 43:

With a big win in Montana tonight, does Obama end up with the most popular votes? Not that it matters, but Hillary has been making the claim lately about having the most popular votes, and I thought MSNBC showed a graphic earlier this evening before the S.D. votes came in showing her with a 5k popular vote lead. Hillary will win S.D. by about 11k votes, but Obama is on track to win Montana by 40k or better.

Not sure what fuzzy math Hillary has been using, and I'm not sure what MSNBC was using either.

Foreign lobbyist fuzzy math

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Mister Anderson @ 42:

kathleen @ 23:

cjsmn @ 12:

Just got home from the rally, it was phenomenal.

Are you on a cloud? Glad you were able to go. What was the crowd makeup? Were folks excited? All we got to see are the planned folks behind Obama.

How can you plant 32,000 people?

The folks directly behind any candidate are often chosen. ( I have witnessed this over and over again). The cameras did not span the crowd.

Mark's picture

What a great speech.

What a great day to be an American.

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After watching the McCain speech and then the Obama speech, it's difficult to imagine the majority of voters choosing McCain in November. I'm not just talking about the obvious difference in public speaking skills, but also their policy stances and overall campaign messages. The differences just seem so stark, the choice seems so clear.

(And what was up with that ghoulish, broad smile that popped up on McCain's face every time he paused? Every time the speech started to put me to sleep, that smile frightened me wide awake again...talk about the stuff nightmares are made of!)

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Denny's @ 68:

OBAMA/KUCINICH 2008!

President Barack Obama and Vice-President Dennis Kucinich

I like Kucinich but Obama can't and won't pick him. Kucinich is a fine example of an experienced polititian who has not matured. I really like him and support him, but he needs to grow a lot.

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Axlerod is responsible for the race baiting card they've hammering Hillary with.

The Clintons are not Racists.

Yet the Axlerod and his MSmedia henchmen have convinced people they are.

Pretty outrageous gamesmanship in my opinion.

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Janet @ 70:

L.A. Confidential @ 63:

L.A. Confidential @ 53:

ldzppln @ 43:

Nope. Hillary has gotten the most votes of any primary contender in U.S. Election History.

Just something to contemplate.

The numbers in both pop and elec shows she could whip McCain just on her own.

Well then, since Obama got the popular vote and the delegate vote I guess that means Obama can whip McCain on his own.

And, actually, Obama got the most popular votes. Hillary's math used states where he wasn't on the ballot and excluded caucas states. It's a half-truth...

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Does anyone happen to have a link to McCain's speech? I missed most of it, and I want to see for myself if he really said that Obama was the 'politics of the past'. That act of logical gymnastics sounds too hilarious to miss.

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redestructionist @ 67:

Posting in a legendary thread.

I get tears in my eyes every time I hear him speak. Do I even dare to be hopeful about the future, after this 8 year long nightmare? There is such a powerful inclination to be jaded and cynical. But, I just can't help myself: Watching and listening to Obama energizes me and makes me engaged and optimistic about the future of America in a way I have not felt in my entire 31 years on this planet.

I want to believe.

Obama 08.

She may be in for some rude awakenings.

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kathleen @ 74:

Mister Anderson @ 42:

kathleen @ 23:

cjsmn @ 12:

Are you on a cloud? Glad you were able to go. What was the crowd makeup? Were folks excited? All we got to see are the planned folks behind Obama.

How can you plant 32,000 people?

The folks directly behind any candidate are often chosen. ( I have witnessed this over and over again). The cameras did not span the crowd.

Then my advice to you, my dear, is to change candidates!

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It's still not too late for the rethugs to steal the election. Again.

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kathleen @ 74:

Mister Anderson @ 42:

kathleen @ 23:

cjsmn @ 12:

Are you on a cloud? Glad you were able to go. What was the crowd makeup? Were folks excited? All we got to see are the planned folks behind Obama.

How can you plant 32,000 people?

The folks directly behind any candidate are often chosen. ( I have witnessed this over and over again). The cameras did not span the crowd.

And for a McCain rally they put the non comatose ones behind him

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el-mano @ 79:

Janet @ 70:

L.A. Confidential @ 63:

L.A. Confidential @ 53:

The numbers in both pop and elec shows she could whip McCain just on her own.

Well then, since Obama got the popular vote and the delegate vote I guess that means Obama can whip McCain on his own.

And, actually, Obama got the most popular votes. Hillary's math used states where he wasn't on the ballot and excluded caucas states. It's a half-truth...

And a half truth is actually a full lie.

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el-mano @ 79:

And, actually, Obama got the most popular votes. Hillary's math used states where he wasn't on the ballot and excluded caucas states. It's a half-truth...

Uh not quite and you better believe Team Obama in the back channels know it. Hillarys a threat to his nomination and they've been acting accordingly.

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Retired Navy @ 83:

It's still not too late for the rethugs to steal the election. Again.

They stand an excellent chance of doing so if all the dreamy and starry eyed Dems don't "wake up".

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L.A. Confidential @ 86:

el-mano @ 79:

And, actually, Obama got the most popular votes. Hillary's math used states where he wasn't on the ballot and excluded caucas states. It's a half-truth...

Uh not quite and you better believe Team Obama in the back channels know it. Hillarys a threat to his nomination and they've been acting accordingly.

oh, yeah, I forgot about counting states where his name wasn't on the ballot.

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Kathleen and those worried about Obama are right.

Obama consistantly polls WAAAY too close for comfort against McCain. Obama MUST get the "Bubba" vote to win, and grandfatherly war-hero McCain is very comfortable and appealing to the uneducated white blue-collar average American voter next to that fancy-talkin' I-heard-he-was-a-Muslim Oh-bamma. THIS IS FAR FROM OVER. If Hillary can bring in those votes; and this election strongly suggests she can; I say put her on. That, and frankly, she's a ruthless campaigner, and it's about time the dems had one of those. I think the upside outweighs the downside. Put Hillary on the ticket. No taking chances this year.

-Scott

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L.A. Confidential @ 81:

redestructionist @ 67:

Posting in a legendary thread.

I get tears in my eyes every time I hear him speak. Do I even dare to be hopeful about the future, after this 8 year long nightmare? There is such a powerful inclination to be jaded and cynical. But, I just can't help myself: Watching and listening to Obama energizes me and makes me engaged and optimistic about the future of America in a way I have not felt in my entire 31 years on this planet.

I want to believe.

Obama 08.

She may be in for some rude awakenings.

Ralph: "I'm a boy!"

Homer: "That's the spirit. Never give up..."

p.s. - You can't rain on my parade tonight, L.A. :)

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kathleen @ 74:

Mister Anderson @ 42:

kathleen @ 23:

cjsmn @ 12:

Are you on a cloud? Glad you were able to go. What was the crowd makeup? Were folks excited? All we got to see are the planned folks behind Obama.

How can you plant 32,000 people?

The folks directly behind any candidate are often chosen. ( I have witnessed this over and over again). The cameras did not span the crowd.

There was a great mix of people there. I was on the 3rd floor and surrounded by people of all nationalities.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 85:

el-mano @ 79:

Janet @ 70:

L.A. Confidential @ 63:

Well then, since Obama got the popular vote and the delegate vote I guess that means Obama can whip McCain on his own.

And, actually, Obama got the most popular votes. Hillary's math used states where he wasn't on the ballot and excluded caucas states. It's a half-truth...

And a half truth is actually a full lie.

Where tf you been?

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L.A. Confidential @ 86:

el-mano @ 79:

And, actually, Obama got the most popular votes. Hillary's math used states where he wasn't on the ballot and excluded caucas states. It's a half-truth...

Uh not quite and you better believe Team Obama in the back channels know it. Hillarys a threat to his nomination and they've been acting accordingly.

I would have an orgasm if just once you could lay out some verifiable facts.

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