On Meet the Press, Sen. Graham flopped on his original positions on off shore drilling in his neck of the woods and Sen. Biden laughs at his phony argument at about the 2:40 mark of the clip and cuts his flipped positions into itty, bitty pieces. Most of us know that we can't drill our way out of the problem, but McCain and Graham are turning into Wall Street Zombies that now believe ANWR and off shore drilling will be the answer.
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MR. WILLIAMS: Senator Graham, this is what people are talking about. Myrtle Beach Sun News, "The Senate ... may consider lifting bans on exploring for oil and natural gas along the East and West coasts of the [U.S.] ... `I feel terrible about that,' Graham said. `The worst thing we can do as a nation is taking the easy way out. ... If you start opening up offshore drilling, then you are buying time and you are not addressing the fundamental problem with fossil fuels.'" So you see the argument, you made it.
Biden: hahaha
Goober Graham says that the price increases on oil and gas have changed his mind and position. Why should it? Before he didn't want to take the "easy way out" on our energy crisis, but know....well...McCain needs his help. The prices reflect badly on conservative principles that have governed our country under Bush. Since Graham is a co-conspirator to the Bush administration---why should we even consider his views on energy and oil at all? They have no credibility and should be ignored. At least they should be challenged by the media instead of having two different camps debating about it. Change in leadership and political philosophy is needed not Lawrence Kudlow talking points.
If only the media would take the time to explain the issues to the peeps instead of reading press releases. As Biden said---it'll take ten years to even begin getting any oil. And why didn't Williams ask Graham to explain himself after Biden's answer? He went to another topic. Full transcript below the fold via MSNBC:
MR. WILLIAMS: Senator Graham, The Greenville, Greenville News, September 20th, 2005, "Objections to drilling off the Carolinas center on the impact of tourism and the environment."
SEN. GRAHAM: Mm-hmm.
MR. WILLIAMS: "Said Senator Lindsey Graham: `All of our coastal communities I've talked with believe offshore drilling would be a detriment to our economy along the coast. I tend to agree with that.'" What changed?
SEN. GRAHAM: Four dollar a gallon gas.
MR. WILLIAMS: And what about the future 10 years down the road?
SEN. GRAHAM: Right. Right.
MR. WILLIAMS: You mentioned energy independence, where does that conversation come in?
SEN. GRAHAM: Well, what you do is you have a supply-demand problem. The more domestic supply, the better we are off as a nation. But to get away from fossil fuels in general is a goal of Senator McCain. One thing you do on the power side is add nuclear power. We cannot address climate change without replacing oil and coal-fired plants with nuclear power. But when it comes to domestic supply, we're talking about 50 miles off the coast of South Carolina with the consent of the legislature where the state gets half the revenue. I think in an environmentally sound way we can extract deep sea exploration oil and gas off our coast that will allow us to be more energy independent. John is for that. I am for that. And I believe the state of South Carolina will be for that.
SEN. BIDEN: We already can do that. Let's get the facts. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Forty million acres leased offshore, number one. Number two, the first well to be dug from the time they lease, if Lindsey gives them access to more area, it'll take 10 years from the time the lease is let to the time oil comes out of the bottom of the sea in the new leases.
MR. WILLIAMS: Senator Graham, this is what people are talking about. Myrtle Beach Sun News, "The Senate ... may consider lifting bans on exploring for oil and natural gas along the East and West coasts of the [U.S.] ... `I feel terrible about that,' Graham said. `The worst thing we can do as a nation is taking the easy way out. ... If you start opening up offshore drilling, then you are buying time and you are not addressing the fundamental problem with fossil fuels.'" So you see the argument, you made it.
SEN. GRAHAM: Yeah, and, and here's the honest--well, here, here's my answer. At $4 a gallon, time is not on our side. It is affecting food prices, it is affecting the quality of life in America. I have a lot of low-income people in South Carolina who drive the most inefficient cars. We're talking about allowing exploration in a deep sea area off the coast of South Carolina, Virginia and North Carolina with state consent that will enhance dramatically our supplies. I am willing to do that in an environmentally sensitive manner. Yes, $4 a gallon has changed my view of this; $135 dollars a barrel has changed my view of this. I think the economic impact of not adjusting now is going to be devastating in the--to the country short and long-term, and therefore I have changed my position.
SEN. BIDEN: No short-term consequence of additional leases, period, 10 years minimum. Two, better to invest in windmills offshore, alternative energy offshore, give those people a break. And three, the change is called an election.
I saw this and have more comments.
Hey, linny. Whose fault is it that gas costs $4 or more a gallon?
There's something I never thought Id see; a rethug flipflopping in plain sight and he ADMITS it, too!
Joe Biden is the man!!
Aw, if I knew this were coming, I'd have saved my comments. If you care what I have to say on the topic, see my comment in the post on Brokaw taking over at MTP.
Graham's taking a great big suck from McCain's Kool-Aid bucket. He's not the first. Go ahead, boy. There's plenty supply where that came from, and not a whole lot of demand.
Brian Williams spent about 15 minutes on Obama’s decision to not take public money. He let Graham go on and on about going back on his word and never said a word about all of McGrandpa’s flip flopping on everything he says.
Thrillhouse @ 3:
Put it over here.
The whole idea of going after more expensive oil (offshore or otherwise) is ridiculous. This is just putting off the inevitable while making climatic change a more dire reality. Shoot these idiots, take there cash, and built a solar thermal generator.
All in all I was very disappointed with Brian Williams. I realize he is new at this but he should have followed up on how many times McLiar has "changed his mind" in the last month alone. How many times McFipflop has gone back on his word. Even though he had the film clip of Obama saying exactly what he would do "If A happens then I will do B" Williams let Lying Lindsy Graham keep going on and on. Also I sure wish Biden would have been much more forceful with his answers.
This is the clown the GOP should be running. Grampy McSame doesn't handle his flip flops anywhere near as slick as Lindsay Graham. Anyone that doesn't see this as BIG OIL / GOP problem is a dolt.
Grand
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Try conservation!
this is more of the same deception........many people aren't sophisticated to understand this issue is much more complicated than going off shore and start drilling. this tactic may appeal to many because were all feeling gas prices.....but it does especially appeal to people who want to blame somebody besides the leadership they voted for. i don't means in a judgemental direction were being told so many reasons.......i believe it's speculation,inflation and weak dollar.....this is a cheapy shot toward enviromentalist/san fran....types they're are using this for a wedge issue for the masses
Graham is a republican right-wing Bush Loving Phony...and He so dumb that he doesn't know the the American Public can see right through his charade. We don't believe anything he and the republicans say...after eight years of screwing up this country, he'll be lucky if he's not indicted as a co-conspirator for boot-licking Bush and Cheney.
Graham is such a moron. Does the republican party require lobotomies?
Maybe this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11098458/ is why we have $4.00 a gallon gas? I'm just saying.
I think I can see the Big Oil marionette strings pulling Lindsgay's arms and mouth. Funny Lindsgay doesn't mention a word about Big Oil cutting their record profits to bring oil prices down. He just wants to drill more so they can make more AND keep oil prices high.
Lying, crooked, snake in the grass, closet case.
game......set.......match.......joe biden
i want the repukes to explain how they are gonna force the oil companies to sell this oil domestically, as they make more profit selling to china and japan
graham is an asshat
and i miss tim russert
Ruling Class Rou @ 13:
They get their talking points and go for it regardless of the facts. It's their lie and they are sticking to it.
John McCain name-change
He is no John Drillinger.
Drill drill drill, Drill the gulf, drill thecoastlines, drill ANWR, drill for cheney,
Drill everybody DRILL !!!
I hope they have graham on every sunday. this saturation of the xposure of the idiocy of the neocons and repugs is vital, so people will get tired of it and turn the shit shows off.
♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 18:
mcDrillinger! nice.
♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 18:
Ruthless People @ 14:
Don't forget this
Pardon me, but off-topic!:
Paula Abeles just posted a rambling piece on Noquarter(the dead-enders site). I tried to leave a comment after reading it to express what I know, living in Charlottesville, VA.
My comment access was blocked! apparently, my type of opinion is not welcomed there!
Well, there you go. What a surprise! A slithery, bottom-feeding neo-con like Graham using a short-term economic snapshot as a justification for a deep and substantive issue such as long-term energy sources. I wonder what graduate program in business he graduated from? Opportunist, anyone?
Of course the speculators have nothing to do with the price of oil.
Number of offshore leases handed out by the government to Big oil for drilling - 1870+
Number of offshore leases being utilized - 1700
Ron @ 17:
yup because the people that get it are out numbered by those that don't........at least that's their perspective
this is why i would like a debate where you reveal what you said in the past via...copy of print/video like meet the press.......graham got exposed and he knows it
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said the other day that there is no insurance company in this country that is willing to write a policy for a nuclear plant. It is just to high a risk. The Repukes know this. Just another lie that to the American people.
It's not surprising that a man named Lindsey likes the idea of drilling.
BusinessWeek:
There Is No Gas Shortage
But Washington, Wall Street, and ethanol and oil and gas companies want you to think there is, says automotive expert Ed Wallace
Gasoline reserves on hand are at the highest levels since the early 1990s
There's no shortage of gasoline or oil in the U.S. today, and we have near-record reserves on hand. Meanwhile the Congressional mandate for ethanol has jacked up the price of chicken feed for Pilgrim's Pride, which is the U.S.'s largest processor of chickens and turkeys—by $1.3 billion. And that's for just one company processing chicken. This is what passes for acceptable to our Energy Secretary?
Demand Is DOWN, Yet Prices Are UP
the U.S. daily buffer for oil production against demand, which was a paltry 1.5 million barrels as recently as 2005, is now up to 3 million barrels in excess capacity today.
Speculation is Up, and the Dollar Is Down
On the same day the President and our Energy Secretary made those foolish comments, no less an authority than ExxonMobil (XOM) Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson was quoted by Marketwatch as saying, "The record run in oil prices is related more to speculation and a weakening dollar than supply and demand in the market." He added, "In terms of fundamentals, fear of supply reliability is overblown."
The dollar has depreciated 30% against the world's currencies since 2002, while the price of oil has gone up 500%. So is it the weak dollar that has caused a 500% increase in the price of oil, or is it the extra $241 billion worth of speculation?
What Is Washington Thinking?
Rounding out the list of experts discussing our oil and gasoline situation is Bill Klesse, head of San Antonio (Tex.) Valero Energy. He spoke in San Diego a week after those comments from Goldman Sachs, the President, and Secretary Bodman. Believe it or not, Klesse said poor margins may cause Valero to sell one-third of its refinery operations; he stated that poor margins in recent months had caused planned refinery expansions—which would have produced 500,000 more barrels per day—to be canceled.
Moreover, according to a report from Reuters on Mar. 11, 2008, Klesse recently released the information that gasoline production has been curtailed in response to slowing demand.
Imagine that: Refiners cut gasoline production, yet gasoline reserves have grown to their largest since late 1992. So much for "surging demand."
We're Paying for What?
When it became undeniable that poor decision-making by company executives had put a respected 85-year-old U.S. institution in financial peril, why did the Federal Reserve rush in to save investment bank Bear Stearns?
the Bush administration is protecting those responsible for creating yet another speculative bubble in oil futures, and is protecting investors in the ethanol industry—much to the detriment of food-processing companies such as Pilgrim's Pride. And the net result of all this is that the prices of crude and gasoline rise ever higher thanks to a "shortage" that does not exist, while food costs are soaring thanks in part to the ethanol mandate.
This is what they call "Republican Prosperity?"
Instead of a fair and open market they gave us a free-for-all marketplace with no regulations at all, which lately these "bubble boys" have sent south for all of us.
And another thing, the oil companies already have leases on 68 mil acres. Why not drill there? We get 60% of the oil from Canadian tar sands in Alberta. China is supporting a pipe line from there to the pacific so Canada can begin shipping to them. I'm guessing China is willing to pay a higher price than the US.
Captain Obama’s Bitter Half Husein Kangaroo @ 5:
It was pretty obvious wasn't it...pathetic on the part of Williams and Graham. I don't understand all th hubbub over Obama deciding not to take public money. He must have been overwhelmed himself (Obama) at the online response to him. Contrary to what Graham is trying to make it I dare to say none of us care a twit that Obama has decided not to take the public money. It is a none issue.
why does anyone watch network "news" (Meat the Press, etc) anyway? it's worthless!
"I have a lot of low income people in South Carolina who drive the most inefficient cars." - Graham
Well there you have it. In order to keep those low income people driving those inefficient cars, the US government must drill everywhere at all costs and to hell with the environment.
Maybe the US would be better off splitting in two - the northern half can come join Canada - and the southern half can do what they have to to keep those inefficient cars. They can also keep all those people with a Gomer Pile accent.
Turn off the dumb talking points, show them you aren't even listening to the lies. The interviews also are pushing the talking points. It is more of us than the billionaries who are trying to control our thoughts.
arnold @ 30:
being of a contrarian mind can have it's virtues......great entry......this is how i see it......if anyone diggs alittle deeper than tabloid news the answers are available.ie.reuters and bbc world service...banks and financial institutions are trying to recoupe losses via commodities market
Alice X (Chomsky Nader) @ 10:
conservation has nothing to do with it
the unregulated market has everything to do with it
The One Step solution to Petroleum Addiction: Find a cheaper dealer. Yeah, that'll work.
The manipulation of the markets is no different than a ponzi scheme. If there is no regulation, there is no hope for fixing this.
I thin Lindsay needs a touch more rouge.
international commodities exchange london less regulation the world of global econmy....now corp./financial institutions can pick and choose where they want to do business can avoid taxes/regulations......the loyality to the u.s. has changed for the near future...darwinian capitalisim
Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's drill for more oil! That'll solve our dependence on oil by eventually giving us more of what we need to get away from, Thilly!
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 37:
I disagree completely, not with your point about the unregulated market but with conservation. Less demand, less carbon footprint, more demand for better public transportation. I'm glad this is happening because otherwise Americans go on cluelessly entitled to a non-sustainable "Lifestyle". Sorry America but it really is time to wake up! I had no trouble catching a tram or train to get anywhere in Germany, not one problem!
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 37:
The 'Enron loophole' is the likely culprit for speculative bubble. See KO here.
Conservation has everything to do with future of the planet and the sustainability of even a semblance of the lifestyle we have today.
Conservation can reduce our demand far more than expanded drilling can satisfy our profligate use.
We will ultimately learn to conserve. It will forced upon us.
bilhelm-axis of-X @ 43:
i agree with the both of you short term concerns i believe due to speculation at least partially and mid to longer term conservation will become a bigger issue...but there is and must be a transition time period....but right all these ideas and concerns are being tossed together to confuse the public
Ron @ 39:
Lock up oil CEOs and nationalize oil companies and we will have done the world a great favor.
mystic @ 40:
Maybe he should ask John Boehner for makeup tips. Boehner has got the transvestite Avon lady look perfected.
CannibalPlanet @ 7:
Actually, the Republican strategy is quite smart (and very cynical): 1) use the current crisis as an excuse to gut environmental laws; 2) ensure the crisis persists so it can be "recycled" to use against any other laws they don't like.
Remember: the Republicans don't believe in solving problems - they believe in exploiting problems for their own nefarious ends.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 37:
I think it was a shot at the conservatives more than a suggested plan of action.
Rather humorous in an ironic sort of way...but I laugh so I won't cry. I have no 'in demand' skillsets to get me immigrated to a country not in the crosshairs of USA's foreign policies!!!
joe biden keeps showing me that he has a strong/concise presence in the debate setting
OK Huckleberry, so what is your position now on the Enron Loophole? Has that changed as well? Folks who seem to know what they are talking about suggest that as much as $50 per barrel is due to unregulated speculation in oil futures - made possible by the Enron Loophole.
I agree that drilling in Anwar or off the coast is no solution to the current problem. Also, global warming is a major problem that we must solve. Just saying that so people will understand I'm no republican. In fact I've been talking about global warming since the 80's when I read the "hockey stick" paper. BUT the fact is that we are running out of oil, in fact are probably in peak oil now, and are nowhere near where we need to be in finding alternatives to it. So as much as it will be bad for the environment I believe its inevitable that one day we will drill in Anwar and off the coast. As oil gets scarcer and scarcer the economics will be impossible to argue with. I hope I'm wrong.
Former Dittohead @ 9:
Greed
Oil and
Preachers
GW is now claiming that this problem was created by the Democrats and McSame and Graham are jumping on that bandwagon. I'm still waiting for someone to remind the entire world about the Secret Energy Meeting held in the White House before Oil prices began to increase. Since the Supreme Court didn't allow us to know what was discussed, we will never know. But we are now seeing at the pump what they had planned in secret. Why isn't this being brought to everyone's attention again. I imagine that most people who knew about this have since forgotten and there are a lot of people who were never aware of what happened back then...
Graham also repeated the now discredited lie that the Chinese are drilling off the coast of Cuba--then he pulled back slightly and said they were authorized to do so. And Williams and Biden said nothing.
Let's do the math!
When a "Current Topic" (..this week it's all about oil prices and drilling in ANWR and off the coasts of the US), is being "echoed" by several pundits and politicians in a manner considered concurrent, there must be something other than $4.59 per gallon as the driving mechanism behind the chatter.
There is a memo that is circulated amongs the privy class to set the talking points. What we need to do is the following:
Identify the classified talking-point memo as early as possible and publicize it for what it is, not its subject. It is a talking-point memo designed to solidify a political position. It may be a genuine subject or a total fabrication. The republicans love to bring up ANWR. Not because they want to drill and suck the oil out of it, but because they know how much it pisses off the squeaky wheel, environmental wing of the democratic party.
This is not about drilling for more oil. This is about pissing off the democrats and getting them to discuss this topic and take the "tree-hugger" position in front of the camera. The republicans want to look like they care about feeding your poor SUV's thirst, and how the pain you feel is only temporary because of those unfairly restrictive environmental policies.
There was a strong article from perennial blowhard Charles Krauthammer. Useless in its rhertoric as usual. Now every republican on the TV wants to talk about it.
Democrats need to change the subject and point directly at the actions of the Bush administrations policies and actions that have been wholly contributory to the price increases at the pump, not environmental policies. They need to call the lie a lie immediately upon its presentation.
Also, whenever a chorus of sound-bites begin to be emitted from the republicans, you need to recognize that there is smoke and there is a fire. Someone (Karl Rove?) , somewhere is hatching these talking-points and distracting the public and the MSM is happily allowing this to occur.
These talking-points are not news.
When an offshore oil spill washes ashore in monied South Carolina enclaves like Charleston, Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach it would be interesting to see how Lindsgay would try to snake his way out of responsibility by trying to blame it on a Democrat.
when you find the time listen to the recent past interview that charlie rose had with the president of the environmental defense fund.....i found it enlightening...bush policies have set us back many years gore would have led us down a different path for instance the electric car would be in it's 7-8th year and manufactured in michigan
http://www.charlierose.com/home
I can't believe this golden nugget of a sound-bite from above:
SEN. GRAHAM: Yeah, and, and here’s the honest–well, here, here’s my answer.
Such a transparent hypocrite.
Randi Rhodes on her radio talk show carefully explained how there is a five-year wait to lease an oil-drilling ship for exploring for off-shore oil And all of the oil pumped out of Alaska is currently being shipped to Asian markets... No matter for these right-wing dingbats; they don't let reality get in the way of their fascist fantasies...
Bush and McCain and Gramm have enabled the totally unregulated electronic oil futures trading markets. There, oil speculators, hedge funds, banks. pension funds and oil companies have invested billions in oil futures and have doubled the price of oil (and gasoline) in the last couple of years. These greedy economic traitors are stealing billions of dollars from the American people. Close down the totally unregulated electronic oil futures trading markets and the price of a barrel of oil on the spot market will immediately fall in half and eventually the price of a gallon of gas will drop to below two dollars a gallon.
"Never vote for a Republican.You can`t trust any of them."
--Former Republican friend of
John Dean
Graham is proof positive.The people of South Carolina must be really dumb to believe word one from this guy.
Jimmi the Grey @ 49:
It is meant as a plan of action, sorry, as in don't drive a gas guzzler to a fast food stop and sit in the drive through with the engine running, as a simple example of one a million mistakes we, by the millions, make every day.
I do my little bit to conserve every day. My car gets 45 mpg, I drive sparingly and I walk a lot.
For most, I suspect, the endless consumption mindset is the law of the land. It will change.
When we have pumped the last drop of oil out of the ground we will change for good. The change will have begun long before that.
Burning petroleum profligately when it is indispensable for the production of essentials for the modern world, PLASTIC, to name one, burning it, in some dark dire future, will be seen as idiocy.
As for political conservatives, we have few conservatives, per se, in this country. At least as I understood the term from a half a century ago.
The term along with the political language in general has been hijacked by the neo-cons, those borrow and spend types who raid the treasury and the fortunes of the future. It is about unbridled greed.
Endlessly cut taxes tilted heavily to favor the rich while maintaining huge deficits. Deficits that favor the rich.
That is the Neo-Con.
james k. sayre @ 61:
i'm with you......this has brought on the drilling talk partly to dilute the speculation theme....the speculation Enron loophole that c&l brought to my attention was exposed by a republican a few years ago....this administration and it's followers love the UNFAIR advantage...especially with no reprecussions.
I'm so ashamed to call Lindsey (Honey) Graham my senator.
Canuknotusa @ 34:
I would have to move. Blast it, what about the west and the northwest, etc. I don't think Canada wants us - any of us.
Lindsey was confused. He thought they were talking about drilling in Larry Craig
Lindsay (the flaming homosexual) Graham has proven yet again that it isn't a question IF he is whore. The question is the price. He now answered that question. It's $4.00.
actually, it was more of a snicker from biden. just sayin'.
The Lie Continues To Grow
I recall writing that the Republicans are a bit deceiving. We all heard Sen. Graham say 67% say we should drill off our coast. THAT IS A BIG LIE. That is not what the poll infers. The poll asked the question:
First off, not a drop of oil will come from this venture for at least ten years, and there is no proof positive HOW MUCH oil is off the coast of these states. There are no oil wells, only suspected oil deposits. So lets re-state the question to match the facts:
When you tell the truth, you might want to answer the question differently. This is the way of the lying Republicans. They create phony realities in their favor and get the people to believe they are acting in conjunction with the truth. The fact is the truth in most cases have been misrepresented. There is your 67%. I suppect if the people were asked a honest question with honest facts, they would answer outside of the Republican greedy interest.
Joseph
Because none you basturds had the foresight to look for alternative fuels 8 years ago when the Bush took office. If Bush had half a brain he would have pushed for alternative fuels immediately after 9/11. By doing that alone today we would not be over a barrel by countries that harbor terrorists. Want to fight terrorism and improve national security? Easy stop giving terror states money. Just that we would have increased our GDP, added jobs, we wouldn't care about the price of oil nearly as much, and helped improve our relations in the Mideast. Even environmentalists would have had to concede the republicans did something about it global warming, the republicans would have been regarded very favorably but instead they look like total idiots.
Another Joe Biden "smack down". Although, Linsay is far to easy a target.
These politicians are simply idiots, if not outright liars, on this subject. We DO NOT generate electricity with oil. This IS NOT a problem of supply and demand. Reducing the price of oil IS a matter of regulating the oil trading markets by repealing legislation that Sen. McCain and his various advisors (Phil Gramn, etc.) engineered and passed in years past, which are the same trading loopholes that allowed Enron to bleed the state of California dry ("The Enron Loophole") for electricity and forced Enron to implode.
GET A GRIP. This is not about an oil crisis, it is about unregulated trading markets and speculative greed. In effect, capitalism let loose and gone wrong. Regulation can and does work.
I, too, was disapppointed in Brian Williams:
1) Graham claimed that Cuba was negotiating with China for drilling rights. This is a falsehood, but Williams did not refute it.
2) The "need" to drill in ANWR is a scam by the oil company. They just want to lock up the oil leases for exploitation at their leisure for higher profits. Besides any oil found there will be sold to China/Japan/India for higher profits.
3) The issue of Obama withdrawing from public financial support is simply sour grapes on McCain's part. He knows that he can't raise as much money as Obama---unless he taps into his wife's millions---so he raises a big stink about it. The argument is specious and Williams should've said so.
I can't wait until one of Graham's trysts does a Scott McClellan.
Remember John McCain believes that marriage is a union between a very old man and a very rich woman.
PLO @ 29:
I don't like the guy but that's a cheap, homophobic shot.
Joe H. @ 59:
Yeah, I caught that too. Wonder why he stopped himself from saying "honest?" It would be a paradox for him to say that because he's an honest man, he had to detour from using the word "honest" in describing his response. Very odd.
VegasRage @ 71:
The only foresight Bush has ever had is prepping his bike for a ride and getting to bed early. He lets everybody else in BushCo take care of of everything else and merely serves as a mouthpiece for their talking points.
I have to say it... Graham did a pretty good job of coloring Obama as a TURN-COAT LYING BASTARD WHO FLIP-FLOPPED AN ISSUE AND CAN'T BE TRUSTED.
I have to say this too: Joe Biden did a pretty good job of showing us what a GODDAMNED DORK Lindsey is.
karl @ 15:
graham totally exposed......not even close....they are pandering
Rufus. T. Firefly @ 76:
These days, honest Republican is an oxymoron. Graham is just a moron, however.
911 changed graham's views on alot of things, now the mantra is 4 dollar a gallon gas. nice job by joe b. to cut graham's argument down.
Domestic drilling for oil = busch co's last stand. he has only a few months to get yet one more favor done for his "haves and have more" base.
Miss Graham and his redneck drawl is the problem..
Conservatism/republicans/right wingers are the problem.
Rufus. T. Firefly @ 75:
Its not homophobic but it is likely true given the wide stance right wingers track record on sexual denials.
Attila the Appeaser, Trollop Despot @ 67:
LOL! Thanks for making me spit pepsi all over my keyboard!!!
sully18 @ 62:
The right wing people of S.C. are really really dumb.
The other day a colleague said "you always seem to know what is going on politically." I said, "Just always start from the knowledge that the rethugs are crooks (and liars)." If there are any republicans out there who dispute this, bring it on.
I watched this and I was disappointed in Joe Biden. When I saw he would be on with that prick Lindsay Graham, I was looking forward to him showing Graham up. Instead, on the issue of campaign financing, Graham handed Biden his ass. Joe never mentioned how McCain put his up for collateral and said he wouldn't participate, but then had to. McCain has been anything but honorable about campaign financing.
On another show, on Fox surprisingly, Wexler did make that point when the same conversation came up. Why didn't Joe Biden fight harder?
Most of us know that we can’t drill our way out of the problem,...
No, we can't drill our way out of the problem, but i don't know of any cars that run on water.
Oil is going to be needed for some time to come.
The prices reflect badly on conservative principles that have governed our country under Bush.
John Amato...nufff said
Eight years wasted when we could'a been an alternative energy contender.
Looks like traitor Rove handed out the script to all the Republics because they are all practiced at saying the same thing. Lindsey is WRONG... the problem isn't a shortage of oil, the problem is the purchasing and hording of oil by speculators who have managed to create a false oil shortage just like Enron did with electricity in California. Along with the pre-planned invasion of Iraq, this my friends is part of the super secret Dick the greedy Cheney's energy policy. Remember? The one that no one was allowed to know the details about. Well, it's all coming to fruition.... just like the thieves have planned.
Nightrider @ 54:
My thoughts exactly... we are now realizing Cheney's energy plan. My guess is that Cheney has a one-way ticket to Paraguay on a flight scheduled for January 21, 2009.
Graham looks like he talking with a pain in his ass. Oh yeah he's McCain's sock puppet!!
Aw, it's the poor and their "inefficient" cars! Not the Middle Class and their SUVs!
Graham has always been a two-bit whore. He always will be.
$4.00 a gallon gas is bad but being republican is turning our senators into fucking moronic idiots.
The longer they remain republicans the more stupid they become.
I think being republican is a mental illness we may have to get insurance coverage for the mental dissability that develops from the republican ideology.
What will we call this illness? headupurass? shitforbrains? I am sure someone can name it effectively.
Did anyone else notice Sen. Graham's movements after Sen. Biden scolded him about the facts? It occurs at the 1:22 mark. Do you think Lindsay often scratches his head with his middle finger? And it's all the fault of the Democrats in Congress! Right.
Someone please tell me if I am wrong here, but even if we had billions of barrels for the pumping in the USofA, what is there to stop the oil companies from selling every drop to India or China, or any other highest bidder? The people who keep trying to sell us on ANWR and off-shore drilling seem to be forgetting this in the discussion. The only long term solution is conservation and alternative fuels.
I wonder if the republicans are going to engineer a bailout for the oil speculators when the price drops?
At the Iowa caucus I sat in Joe Biden's corner. Unfortunately, not enough people agreed with me. I think Barack should ask him to be his [way over qualified] VP. Joe said he didn't want it, but he'd accept it if offered. It's the smart thing for Barack to do.
If Graham's "performance" on here doesn't show you the complete lie behind this offshore drilling nonsense, nothing will. Oh and by the way, if nuclear power is the answer, then I am sure Senator Graham won't have a problem putting one right next to where he lives. You talk about a completely idiotic and expensive way to create energy, nuclear is it. Maybe we can just store the waste from the plants next to where he lives.
I never quite thought much of Biden, but lately, he seems to be knocking down Republican talking points (lies) with great ease.
Joe H. @ 98:
See Arnolds comment at # 30. Very good summation. This is why the republicans are pushing the supply and demand lie. They are trying deperately to convince us that, despite the fact that we are driving LESS (conserving), and that actual GAS reserves are much higher than stated, drilling for more oil is the answer. They are pushing this lie because they know that if the truth comes out, the oil futures bubble WILL burst and their own personal hedge funds will go south faster that a robin in November.
Lindsey is a flip flopping McCainite.
Most of all it was actually refreshing to see someone opposite Graham that can provide opposing views.
Lindsey has gotten away with that for quite along time. You can see he doesn't apporove of opposition and wishes he was on FOX. And he will be saying the same thing.
He represents a low income district that happens to mostly drive low fuel efficient autos. Low income acomes low education. Lindsey's kind of republican up lifting of his state.
Just one question I have for lindsey Graham at the momment.
Which is, " Why doesn't Grahan as a republican believe in the FREE MARKET forces to correct itself " HMMMMMMM????
Free market for our social socurity on the Bear Sterns market. But not for this?
Lindsay Graham is one of those Christian conservative Republicans who believes in the Rapture, so what is he worrying about oil prices and off-short drilling, or the "Enron loophole" and $4.00+ gasoline prices?
He'll be Raptured, fulfilling his "death wish," leaving all the rest of us poor schmucks behind, having to clean up all the mess caused by some of the most vile and clueless people that I've ever seen in my lifetime, whose only purpose in life apparently is to overturn Roe v. Wade, no matter how much damage they do to our country (and their own children) in the process.
Death wish? Of course the Rapture idea is a death wish. And it is this idea, this death wish, that all Rapturists have that, in their own minds, gives them their license to kill, making many of them into nothing more than sociopaths. Unsympathetic to the suffering of others (caused by them) and with utterly no compassion. Iraq. Iran (probably). Hurricane Katrina, during and after. Children without health insurance. Military veterans. People who eat tomatoes with their salads or hamburgers. Car drivers.
And since the Rapture IS a death wish idea, then none of the Rapturists are really Christian, because death preys on their every thought and action.
Biodiesel from non-food sources can outstrip any production that could be had from ANWR or offshore drilling. But, that centralizes supply and thus threatens the oil companies' monopoly on energy. Anybody can make it in their kitchen.
It's obvious that the oil companies would screw the world in order to maintain energy hegemony, along with the power and cash that comes from it. But when elected officials join in that willing ness to screw the world, there's something even more disgusting about the whole affair.
We get what we vote for.
Why are the Dems not out there every day demanding an end to the Enron energy loophole like the Repubs are with their demand for offshore drilling? The leadership of the party is pathetic.
As oil supplies continue to be gobbled up by increased demand from China, India and the developming world, there is going to be a lot of more demand for a limited amount of oil. A lot of people are going to be flip-flopping about drilling in enviromentally sensitive areas.
i love when Biden hands these fools their ass....nice work Sen. Biden
Captain Obama’s Bitter Half Husein Kangaroo @ 5:
Geez, Cap. You have to understand. McGrandpa's flipflopping is due to his complete and utter senility! he flip-flops because HE CANT REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID TEN MINUTES AGO!!! So cut the old boy a break, why dont you? bwaahaahaa
brian was just being a gentleman by not pointing out insane mccain's flipflopping. (snark)
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