McCain 'strenuously disagrees' with strategist over the upside of terrorism
By Steve Benen Sunday Jun 22, 2008 8:00pmAs Silent Patriot blogged earlier, Charlie Black, the lobbyist who now serves as the McCain campaign’s top strategist, told Fortune magazine with “startling candor” that a terrorist attack on U.S. soil before the election would help give his candidate a boost. “Certainly it would be a big advantage to [McCain],” Black said.
It was an odd thing to say. Black wasn’t literally hoping for a terrorist attack, but his concession was nevertheless inappropriate. When asked if a terrorist attack would benefit one candidate over another, the tasteful response is to say electoral considerations pale in comparison to the seriousness of terrorism. Instead, McCain’s chief campaign strategist effectively said, “Yep, terrorism would be good for us.” It’s a politically-tone deaf remark. And not dissimilar to one McCain made regarding Benazir Bhutto on the day of her assassination. Ironically, Charlie Black was Bhutto's lobbyist in Washington during the final year of her life.
At a press conference this afternoon, John McCain quickly moved in the other direction.
Good. Black was foolish to make such a comment in the first place.
UPDATE (Nicole): Obama gives his response to Black's comments.








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But never mind all that! It's time for John McCain in Build! That! Battery!
Well, what else could he say?
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a tasteful response?
from criminals with varying degrees of psychopathy?
are you out of your mind?
So Obama led McCain in 10 of 11 categories, according to the Washington Post, and you can guess the one category he lagged in:
Terrorism.
So, you got to give the guy points foe being honest, even if accidentally
are we allowed to discuss mr. black's comments within the context of the proven history of state-sponsored false-flag terrorism, or are we still trying to not hurt people's feelings?
is 9/11 still "off-limits"? or are we gonna keep nipping at the ankles like a pack of rabid, but ultimately ineffectual, chihuahuas?
what would george carlin do?
wink wink!
nudge nudge!
As bad as Dem primary assassination remarks. Waiting for K.O.
odanny @ 4:
are you aware that the Washington Post is a longtime CIA news outlet. Its nothing but a mouthpiece for the state.
are you aware of Operation Mockingbird...you think it was really ever folded up?
Truth B Told @ 8:
NYTimes
CNN
WaPo
LATimes
All of MurdiKKK's US holdings
I think the guy spoke the truth and shouldn't be harassed for it. We jump all over politicians and activists for covering up the day's crap in obfuscations and inuendo, and then we pounce on the same people for telling it like it is.
I'd rather be consistent about the kinds of responses that come out of the mouths of politicians, and err on the side of openness, no matter how distasteful the truth really is.
History shows they attack after an election with new leadership.
He will keep black for the millions from his friends to match Obama.
Both Senators suck.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 9:
"hush little baby don't say a word, papa's gonna buy you a mockingbird..."
wasn't that the program run by cord meyer, who e. howard hunt claimed on his deathbed had a hand in jfk's untimely passing?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 9:
might as well add Reuters and AP to the list too. most newspapers feed off of one of those and I would say its a fair guess that those have also been coopted.
McCain ’strenuously disagrees’ with strategist over the upside of terrorism
Disagrees?
Sounds like they're arguing over the placement of the salad fork and the dessert fork.
getalife @ 11:
Here we go again. This is the same shit they pulled in 2004. And it worked perfectly. But in 2006, people woke up. I'm tired of being afraid. Next thing you know, they'll be telling us to put plastic on our windows.
Interesting Black was Bhutto's lobbyist and Bhutto's death helped McCain(?) I wonder if there is any connection? Could Black arrange such things to "help" his candidate?
I thought the only things McCane did "strenuously" were pass kidney stones and sneer.
charlie black lobbyist for enron loophole....fire this guy
P.D. @ 16:
I never took mine down...
getalife @ 11:
Look at what happens after a President takes office lately...
Clinton.... WTC 93 Bombing, OKC bombing, TWA-800, Waco
Bush 43 ...9-11, Anthrax, DC Snipers, WMD's
Obama....
something will happen. the elite need major events to channel the people/state in the direction they want. and nothing moves the society like traumatic events (Klein)
Now he acts like Charlie didn't say it. "IF HE SAID THAT." What a crock of shit. Charlie Black doesn't just "work" for despotic dictators all over the world, he does hit jobs and rigs elections for despotic dictators all over the world. He is the KKKarl Rove of the 3rd world, except people die when he pulls his dirty tricks.
If Charlie Black thinks and admits that a terror attack in the US will be good for McBush, you can bet your ass he is making sure that attack will happen.
Stupid answer but why does the reporter get a free pass for asking this kind of question in the first place?
What Black says is no big deal. McCain will just earmark $300 million for it to go away.
OBL will probably be racing camels and planting pistachios on Shrubby's Crawford compound while GWB is setting up his new Paraguayan camp.
Oh, how many ways can McCain disagree with the things his supporters say before the election.
P.D. @ 16:
Yeah, I remember that! They released some BS report about a terrorist gas attack and there was a run on Saran wrap and Duct tape at the stores.
Sorry, McBush, but I will never be a lemming. You won't march me off the cliff (or into Home Depot).
Truth B Told @ 21:
"something" will only happen if open, honest discussion about what we, the people know, about state-sponsored false-flag terrorism, continues to be stifled.
the lusitania, pearl harbor, gulf of tonkin, the attack on the u.s.s. liberty -all 100% provable.
so while we all chastise speaker pelosi for "taking impeachment off the table", why have we, why have YOU, taken 9/11 "off the table"?
As would, Black concedes with startling candor after we raise the issue, another terrorist attack on U.S. soil. "Certainly it would be a big advantage to him," says Black.
this needs to stick and black needs to held accountable
They are using fear, plain and simple. But you know what? It ain't going to work this time. People have no money, confidence, or trust for Bush and his Administation. If people vote for Mccain, they are either dumb, or would never vote for a black man, plain and simple.
Ethics requires universality -- what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as the saying goes. How many of us would sit idly by and let the Chinese invade our country based on lies, install a puppet government, and then sell off our infrastructure to Chinese companies?
And while the country would probably rally around a hawk if there were another attack, this is so obviously true that one would expect the enemies of the USA to realize that as well. Indeed, the far-right are more than happy to suggest that Obama is the terrorists' choice.
Well, extend that logic further. If they're wanting Obama, then why would they attack the USA UNLESS McCain showed signs of winning? So while a terrorist attack might well be great for McCain, a McCain victory would likely prompt a terrorist attack. Or at least an attempt at one.
P.D. @ 30:
We have to acknowledge that they are capable of launching a false flag attack against America in an attempt to win the election. However, by letting them know that WE KNOW they are capable of this, it will decrease the chances that they will attempt such an attack.
Neocon scum need the cover of darkness to operate. If we can show them that we can see what are doing, they will slink away into the muck and filth that spawned them.
Right-wingers are criminals, murderers and liars, but most of all; they are cowards.
Don't hold your breath folks, McCain and Black go back over 20 years and both are very connected to Phil Gramm, the architect of the Enron loophole (among other things).
If I hear that McCain is a maverick once more (or read it as a subhead in the NY Times, as I did yesterday), I will rip up something, then call every network executive I can track down and tell them where to shove their damned lies.
McCain is a neocon who was wise enough to not sign the PNAC documents. But he loves war, he loves the oil companies, and he loves Charlie Black.
Obama Aide: ‘We’ll Benefit if Country Suffers an Attack of Flatulence’
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1949
I strenuously disagree. These guys have made it clear that they cum buckets when terrorists attack America, because then not only do they get to see a lot of flaming death porn, but they get to grandstand when talking tough about fighting terra too, and as already stated, that wins them elections. Or at least, it did.
A terrorist attack prior to the election of 2008 would be a crystal-clear sign that Bush's policies in regard to terrorism have been 180 degrees wrong.
To anybody with a brain.
Epinnoia @ 31:
china could invade any time they wanted. who'd protect you? the military? the national guard? they're all in iraq securing empire.
and unfortunately, our american leadership is so dim and greedy, they don't seem to realize they're being pwned by global elitists hell-bent on destroying our country -by design.
and, no, if there's another terrorist attack, it'll be a cold day in hell before america rallies around these neocon scumbags.
and when it's every man for himself, and blackwater's on main street rounding folks up under martial law, all the latte liberals who dissed charlton heston will be begging their militia nut cousins for a rifle so they can at least take one or two mercenaries out before getting tossed in a halliburton camp.
happy 4th of july!!
Numinous, you are right! Repugs love to vote for someone with a R next to their name! You could be Caligulia and if you we a Repug, Hell, they would vote for you! Gas prices? No prob. Equal rights? Women are less than men. Clean air? But we need more oil! These Repugs will sacrifice everything! They will never admit they are wrong. I think they all suffer from mental dimentia.
Why is it that all McCain has to do is give a "If he said it" comment and that he disagrees and hes off the hook? Obama would never get away with that. We'd hear about it 24/7 for weeks on end. Telflon John, indeed.
obama is leading in all areas except war on terror. that's closer than they want NEOCON=deception,perpetual war and religous ferror.......so crank up the fear mongering machine...mcBlame's strategy.. fear and being on both sides of any issue.
For those who are not familiar with false flag attacks, or who refuse to believe that the USA is incapable of doing such things, I point you to the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
less and less "straight talkin" from this guy.
"I don't know the context" he says. notice he doesn't promise to get to the bottom it? does he swear to fire and distance himself from anybody who makes these kinds of statements?
Barack's former pastor isn't allowed to be super angry about Tuskegee. Pastor... not campaign advisor.
But McCain's #1 campaign advisor is allowed to openly hope for a terrorist attack??
AgentX @ 27:
I really think most people can't or wont comprehend the gravity of this situation. Charlie Black isn't a political consultant like we think of political consultants. Charlie Black and his firm do things the CIA can't do. They are a front company that does legitimate business with governments and so can insulate the chain of command from any accountability for the things they do. Charlie Black does anything necessary to ensure the "right" things happen in countries around the world. "Anything necessary" means exactly what it says. This is not a guy who fucks around. He is a go to guy that makes things happen. Guns, bombs, riots, assassinations, you need it; he makes it happen.
If Charlie Black wasn't working for "our side", he would be labelled a terrorist. So an act of terror on US soil would not be anything new to this guy. Same shit, different locale.
Trittydi @ 2:
"Fuck this crazybase world shit, I concede and endorse Obama."
And I suppose it would be out of the question for McSeniile to hold Mr. Black accountable and ask for his resignation. What kind of a leader is afraid to fire somebody anyways? Definitely Bush 2.0.
Should I feel bad about that mean e-mail I sent him this afternoon now?
All this aside, I'm afraid Black was right. People tend to act stupid and lash out blindly when they're frightened with little regard for the predictable consequences of their actions. The tactic of terrorism is designed to provoke an over response and to cause frightened masses to swing to the right. It's the most effective means to undermine a democratic system and turn it towards unsustainable authoritarianism.
To me, it illustrates the pressing need for cooler heads to prevail when dealing with terrorism. We can't stop it if we refuse as a society to acknowledge its root causes. The rational response is twofold:
1. Address the origins of the grievances of those who committed the act and devise policies that either isolate the perpetrators or remove the reasons for their agression.
2. Employ international cooperation and traditional intelligence gathering and police actions against the perpetrators.
Snowball @ 46:
you're forgetting number 3, which really should be number 1.
WHO committed the hypothetical attack?
and while we're at it, WHY? WHOSE agenda is being served? are we willing, as a society, to follow all leads?
even if it leads directly to enemies of the u.s. constitution, who have infiltrated our very own federal gov't?!
bullfrog@47
I'm not willing to go along with the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, I do think al Qeada was responsible for that act. They had the means, motive and ability to carry it off. They are not just dumb camel jockeys holed up in caves. I find that very notion racist. They are highly educated engineers, doctors and other professionals.
On the other hand, the anthrax attacks, I suspect, were an inside job. I place the onus of responsibility on our own homegrown Military Industrial Complex and rogue intelligence operatives, much more powerful forces than any small cabal of Zionists, if that's what you're getting at.
Why would the "context" matter? It's just a dodge, something this guy does ALL the time. I'm shocked that he was able to restrain his desire to say "He didn't say that" and then follow it quickly with "IF he said it", the way he's done in the past when questioned about aides or supporters.
Also, if McCain is so proud of his work creating the 9/11 commission, why does he give Bush a free pass in ignoring it completely the way he has? Probably because McCain is really good at ignoring its conclusions as well. And ignoring the on-going failure in Afghanistan, which doesn't do much to help us lessen the threat of an attack in the future, at least as I understand the 9/11 report. It's just another flaw of McCain's, where he doesn't really support what he claims to.
I'm tired of seeing people punished for candor. This comment is probably true, that McCain benefits from an attack, but more to the point its what Black thinks is true. I like hearing people in politics say what they actually think, and I don't like the idea that they're getting blogosphere'd to death over it.
Hey, there are almost 4 months til the election. A LOT can happen, and it probably will.....Black will ultimately be correct in the end.
Getting old really sucks. Even disagreeing becomes strenuous.
I just want to take this moment to thank Nancy Pelosi for helping John McCain become the next president of the United Staes of America . Furthermore I want to thank Nancy Pelosi for making sure that Bush will remain in office if McCain can't snatch the presidency. Pelosi has said repeatedly, "Impeachment is off the table." Nancy Pelosi said in 2006, "There's a new congress in town." Ya Nancy ! Bring it on Nancy ! I'm in a foreign country which will benefit from America's collapse. Keep protecting Bush Nancy ! We love you over here in this country.
Black spoke the truth, because he knows the Bush Crime Family (TM)
can pull off another "terrorist attack" anytime they want...
"Please give President Bush a little credit.
Remember - we haven't been attacked since 911!"
(Insert right-wing, gasbag pundit name here)
Well of course not! They've been so busy destroying America
in every other way possible, they didn't have time for another attack,
at least not until at this fall, just before the election.
Mark my words: we can expect something horrific happening, either
on US soil, or related to Iran - or both - before the election.
And they might throw the "capture" of Osama on top, like a cherry.
And before you label me a nut-case conspiracy theorist, tell me
in all honesty that this "false-flag" notion hasn't crossed your mind too?
the worst terrorist attack in the history of human kind occured in this country under the, ahem, watch of a REPUBLICAN president and Congress.
Tell me again why we're supposed to trust Repugs more than Dems on the issue of protecting us from terrorisn ?
#17 foolme1ns:
"Interesting Black was Bhutto’s lobbyist and Bhutto’s death helped McCain(?) I wonder if there is any connection? Could Black arrange such things to “help” his candidate?"
Never, ever put anything past the Republican party.
never.
"McCain ’strenuously disagrees’ with strategist over the upside of terrorism"
I've lost track, was that a flip or a flop?
This guy has got to realize that any terrorist attack would almost instantly and widely be blamed on the GOPers/neocons as another false flag operation. The window where that kind of murderous stunt will work has long since passed.
But these guys (he GOPers and the neocons) have no conscience, so I wouldn't put it past them to try.
Actually, it's the first honest thing I've heard coming out of the McSame campaign. They've got nothing else but to play on people's irrational fears. The comment from Fortune magazine that Black's comment was made with "startling candor" is instead accidental honesty. Oops.
You folks keep on keepin on with your head in the sand, think you got them cowed mentality. It is truely going to be a JOY seeing the repug juggernaught of attack adds rip into obamalamadingdong. He is actually stupid enough to think him stamping his lil foot and sayin"my wife is off limits" is going to stop anything. He is ACTUALLY stupid enough to think he can pre-empt the GOP machine. Welcome to Nov. skippy!
What Charlie Black's real screwup was. http://www.tagg-theangrygayguy.com
61 secularhumanizinevoluter Says: You folks keep on keepin on with your head in the sand, think you got them cowed mentality...
Mooo...?
You seem to be switching your beatiary metaphors too quickly from ostriches to bovines.
"He is ACTUALLY stupid enough to think he can pre-empt the GOP machine. Welcome to Nov. skippy!"
Dude you are one DUMB ASS, "Skippy" is going to have around $500,000,000 to "F" the GOP Machine up with. How do you like those apples sparky.
You folks keep on keepin on with your head in the sand, think you got them cowed mentality. It is truely going to be a JOY seeing the repug juggernaught of attack adds rip into obamalamadingdong. He is actually stupid enough to think him stamping his lil foot and sayin”my wife is off limits” is going to stop anything. He is ACTUALLY stupid enough to think he can pre-empt the GOP machine. Welcome to Nov. skippy!
Huh? Maybe passing up summer school wasn't such a great idea after all.
You'd better get your chores done before your Mom gets home!
like clock work MSM runs right along with the theory that McSame is unbeatable on the issue of keeping us safer. no one questions why a man like this, who has been more wrong than correct on issues and opinions with regard to this war would get the benefit after an attack. maybe it's just me, but, i would tend to think that should any such horror occur here, the people patting themselves on the back for the great job thay are doing with security would be shown to have failed at keeping us safe.
willie @ 65:
When the same people responsible for security lapses that might allow such an attack to occur control the
mediapropaganda as well, it really doesn't matter if a failure occurs. It will be spun as an opportunity to "spread democracy" via warfare/occupation to another "Islamo-fascist" nation.secularhumanizinevoluter @ 61:
Yeah....oookaaaay....sounds to me like your mentality is that of a chihuahua, annoying, loud, but ultimately, inconsequential, and easily swept aside.
Black wasn’t literally hoping for a terrorist attack, but his concession was nevertheless inappropriate.
Not hoping, just discussing strategy. It's coming, folks, and you're delusional if you think the "peepul" will turn on the Pukes. Rather, they'll come for libs and pwogs with ropes and dogs, for interfering and keeping the Preznint from using torture and stuff to keep us safe...
the SCUM (SoCalledUnbiasedMedia) will be unanimous: No blame will touch the Bushies...
I remember it wasn't that long ago when the GOP claimed that the Democrats were hoping for another terroist attack on American soil to prove that Bush was an idiot and not really protecting the "fatherland".
Kansaskowboy @ 69:
I remember that too...what's that phrase...cognitive dissonance? Man the goopers are so fucked in the head.
What does Osama think when he hears this? "Bush was the greatest recruiting tool I ever had - let me help McCain get in by attacking, and I'll have four more years of ready-made recruiting slogans?"
It would be well worth the cost of a terrorist attack--just a minor one-- to avoid having Barack Obama take office. All in all millions of lives could be saved.
Here's what really makes me angry - that McCain's minions are wishing and hoping for a whole bunch of innocent Americans to be murdered, becasue MAYBE it will help McCain get elected.
And this is the "moral values" party, that "deserves" to be elected because they are so morally superior than "immoral, un-American" Democrats. You know, the "good Christians" that Fundamentalist preachers demand their congregations vote for, because they will uphold "Christian values."
Nobody that hopes for people to be murdered, just so they can get elected, deserves to be elected dog-catcher, let alone President of the Untied States.
People of all political stripes shouldn't be afraid to speak the truth. It's a shame that even we lefties have gotten to be so damned reactionary in our thinking.
Black added, "We have bin Laden on speed dial for the week before the election. It always works".
Robert Fredson said:
"It would be well worth the cost of a terrorist attack–just a minor one– to avoid having Barack Obama take office. All in all millions of lives could be saved."
Amazing. Such foresight on your part. Care to elaborate with facts, or are you just trolling?
I'm just curious how anyone can be so sure of future events. Those of us who aren't right-wing dipshits knew GW would be a disaster, but we certainly couldn't have imagined just how many people he would murder, and how many billions he would help his accomplices steal.
If you've got the crystal ball, can we all take a look?
Bill Lumbergh @ 76:
I thought he was being sarcastic, really....can anyone POSSIBLY be fuckin stupid enough to actually believe that bullshit?
http://www.archive.org/details/nazi_concentration_camps
a movie for gop water board freaks
While the Black statement was bizarre in a political tone sense, it is a generally accepted truth.I was some what startled by the Obama's spokesman reply
People should not be attacked for stating something - however bizarre it may seem. In a perfect world the point would be made that while stupid, the statement does not mean that an attack is a hoped for event.There is no there there people.Ditto the Obama church crisis. At some point these are manufactured crisis to test(?) the political skills of campaign managers.Now if you could throw in some drowning,blown up people it may be presidential character in scope, but until then,it seems as useful as astrology.
This is a opportunity to point to what it is -the press/media as,again, creating a story they control (who what when where) for TV theatre, easy to write, easier to dance to, while real life crisis occur off screen - Iraq war,Mid west floods, slagging economic indicators. Real life once again finishes a distant second.
How does a second terrorist attack on the US (the first was 9/11) on the Republicans' watch get translated into being good for Republicans?
p paige @81
FYI
One year after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1994, Bill Clinton hushed up a federal report that warned of possible terrorist strikes, including how hijackers could use airliners to hit landmarks such as the Pentagon or White House.
The Clinton administration never released "Terror 2000" to the public, purportedly because of concerns in the State Department it would cause panic.
Perhaps Hillary Clinton was right when she stated that the next terrorist attack would help Republicans. Her husband never removed Saddam Hussein from power in 1998, when he signed into law "The Iraq Liberation Act" to remove Saddam Hussein from power. He had a dismal record of fighting terror,and he had 8 to 10 chances to capture or kill Bin Laden, yet he refused to give the order to have him killed.
Clinton was criminally negligent as was Bush. Difference was that Bush continues to be negligent after the homeland was attacked on 9/11 by ignoring Al Qaeda and instead lying and murdering 4100 US troops in Iraq as well as directing the EPA to lie to ground zero rescuers and NYC residents by saying the 'air was safe to breath' (See WHouse Office of Environmental Quality and J. Connaughton). The pattern has repeated with people dying bc his cronies in all agencies don't care about the publice like FDA with tomatoes and heparin, Mining with Sago, FEMA with Katrina and Mississippi floods...
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