Swiftboat publisher targets Obama
The same publisher that distributed the 2004 best-seller that took aim at John Kerry’s Vietnam service is planning a summer release of what’s scheduled to be the first critical book on Barack Obama.
Conservative journalist David Freddoso’s “The Case Against Barack Obama” will offer “a comprehensive, factual look at Obama,” according to Regnery Publishing president and publisher Marjory Ross.
But the book’s subtitle makes clear its perspective: “The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media’s Favorite Candidate.”
Ross contends that the mainstream media has offered insufficient scrutiny of Obama and likens the goal of Freddoso’s book to that of “Unfit for Command,” the scathing assessment of Kerry’s war record that rocketed to No. 1 on The New York Times best-seller list.
Although wingnut welfare will likely propel this screed to the top of the NYT best-seller list, I'm not very concerned that it will be as damaging as Unfit for Command was to John Kerry. Barack Obama has proven time after time that he won't fall victim to these kinds of slimy attacks, and you can be sure his rapid-reponse team will be all over this from the get-go.
Did I read in one story about this, the publisher doesn't even have the complete manuscript as of yet. Can't be that good, if they don't know what they're printing.
The book'll probably have a Photoshopped picture of Obama and Karl Marx schmoozing, sort of like the one of Bush and that Saudi sheik in Crawford kissing and holding hands....
Act 2, Scene 1
Theater of the Absurd
Obama needs to come up with fact check inserts or small pamphlets for his supporters to insert in any and all copies of this book that show up in bookshelves. That way, at least those who haven't already made up their mind against him can have alternate resources to learn the truth.
"The same publisher that distributed the 2004 best-seller that took aim at John Kerry’s Vietnam service i...."
How is it? Doesnt the military itself have any incentives to pursue publishers who slander their decorated servicemen trough court?
Regnery Books, a favorite of outhouses nationwide.
JudyLou @ 2:
Umm...to my knowledge, those photos you're referring too weren't photoshopped...
I assume it will be filed under "fiction". With gas prices and all going sky high, not many families are going to put the price of this book into their budget.
Let the author have at it. I doubt he can come up with anything worse than has already been rumored about Senator Obama. I mean how can you smear any more than saying the Senator and his wife are giving each other terrorist signals?
This will become the definitive "stroke-book" for Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly.
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 7:
That was on a film clip shown on tv. It was real.
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 7:
You're correct. I wasn't clear. The one of Kerry and Jane Fonda was Photoshopped. The ones of Bush and Sheik were real. My bad.
Obama's alleged "Unexamined Agenda"? As Jon Stewart would say is Regnery referring to Obama's plans to enslave white people?
Don't these assholes know that most of their constituency don't, can't read?
If there are proveable lies in this book-likely-can Obama go to court and demand damages? What exactly is the law on this kind of thing? I am reading a book about Rove Machiavelli's Shadow, which accuses Rove of many many crimes, and says that Rove is guilty of many federal and state crimes, aside from campaign lies and dirty tricks. So, can a public figure sue? Can they force the publisher to stop selling a book of lies? Can anyone go out and write anything, like gwb smokes crack and get it published?
I just hope Obama doesn't brush it off. While some can see through the B.S. and make decisions for themselves, Kerry made the mistake of assuming all Americans could do this and he wasn't proactive in going after people attacking him and shutting down their message.
JudyLou @ 11:
No prob. :)
Left&Left @ 13:
HA! ya forgot, won't read!
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 17:
They have their TV tuned to Faux, though.
Racism constantly creates new guises.
Ron @ 18:
Read Faux's ratings are back up. What do we have to do to knock 'em down again? Sheesh.
assholes, these people.
Dale @ 15:
Obama has been on top of all the bs so far and I have no doubt he will continue his fast response team. Some of it has been so ridiculous that it fizzled before it got too far. The fist bump thing being an example.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 20:
Good question...
Is repsone a drug?
Leslie [Hussein] @ 20:
Quit giving them stimulas funding to buy new TVs.
I doubt the viewers who worship at the altar of Fox News would ever vote for Obama anyway.
The swiftboat liars had a leg up in that there was an actual core group who were still pissed at Kerry for his winter soldier testimony.
With Obama, what are the scowling, bemedaled old men going to say in the commercials? Besides the old standby, "we can't trust an upity neegra moozlem with a crazy preacher."
Why are they announcing this so far in advance? The swift boat thing was sprung on the Kerry campaign, this gives Obama's campaign plenty of notice.
Meanwhile, we are still wondering where the other POWs who were in the Hanoi Hilton with McCain are today. Why aren't they stepping up and supporting their old buddy and fellow POW?
Sagra @ 27:
Exactly...yet another swing and a miss from the right.
Sagra @ 27:
He'll take his oath of office on the Koran!! No flag pin!! His children are black!!
Jusker @ 28:
They want to build up the suspense and make people think they actually have something on Obama. Even on the MSM they keep saying, we don't really know Obama.
Truth is an absolute defense against an action for defamation, so probably not.
mcBush could call these 527's off if he wanted to
is this actually a "swiftboat" attack? i know it is the same publisher and the same cast of characters, but do we actually know anything about what this book covers?
i ask b/c some of the obama criticism seems to be spot-on. we don't know what this guy is really like: as is evidenced in his left-leaning run in the primary, to his now right-leaning run in the primary.
i, for one, would like to see an unbiased and unflinching look into obama--something the msm is loathe to do. that said, a "swiftboat" style attack is to be rejected and attacked.
But I thought McCain was the media's favorite candidate!!! That's what they and he keep telling us. They are his "base"!!!! The swiftboater liars are a one trick pony in a leaky canoe. It seems that none of the republicans can grasp the fact that their tactics of lying and cheating just aren't working anymore. Everyone sees them and their henchmen for exactly what they are. Crooks and liars!!!
A new report by the NCRR that just came out today says quite plainly this shit don't work. But skunks can't change their stripes.
ThunderMonkey @ 1:
It doesn't take long to finish a manuscript when you're just making shit up.
When this book hits the stores, I suggest everyone do what I do whenever one of these "books" comes out;
Whenever a new screed is released from the likes of Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter or Bill O'Liely, I go to my local Borders or B&N, and a grab a big stack of them, and move them to where they really belong;
the shelves of the "Best Selling FICTION" section.
Yeah...I know its petty and even a little childish....but it makes me feal REAL good to do it.
Let's see, the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth were a group of 250+ men who served alongside John Kerry and wrote and testified about their firsthand experiences and impressions of him at a period of time that John Kerry wanted to emphasise as the cornerstone to his presidential candidacy. And they only spoke about those experiences as it related to whether they thought he was fit to serve as the Commander in chief.
Calling just anyone who does critical research on Obama a Swiftboater makes little sense.
Who would be Barack Obama's 'Swiftboaters'? Fellow parishioners from Trinity United Church of Christ? Fellow Chicago 'community organizers''? Tony Rezko? 60's radicals Ayers and Dorhn?
GOP: no new ideas, no new ideas for character assassination, no new ideas for running the country, no new ideas for battling terrorism, no new ideas period. just the same old, same old, as embodied by the Same Old John McCain.
One of the most encouraging things about the Obama campaign is that it appears feisty enough to stand up to the smears. Kerry's downfall wasn't the 527s so much as his campaign's reluctance to hit back. Not that Bush (or McSame) weren't assholes for letting the 527 smears go on.
Jeff @ 38:
Right on!!!....civil disobedience!!....reminds me of the time I stole a book from the childrens section of a library that was about Richard Nixon.....clearly it had been written by some Nixon fan and I felt it would be a crime to let children get their hands on those lies......wish now I had kept it - might be worth a buck on ebay!
thanks for the idea.....I'll be doing the same!
dennis @ 39:
You're allowed to hope Dennis.
dennis @ 39:
By the definition of "Swiftboating", the Catholic priest who stood up and sermonized in Obamas church "Swiftboated" Hillary Clinton.
Anyone who thinks Obama just has too much integrity for that kind of political nonsense is about as Naive as the Chritian right who thinks the Republicans really give a damn about them (or the poor minorities who think the Dems are looking out for them for that matter).
dennis @ 39:
More mud from a loyal Hannitite....Gee, Dennis....What flavor koolaid are they serving today? Won't you fools learn that America is sick of your gutter politics....after 7 1/2 years of the commander-in-chimp the people of America are on to your tired old "Rovian" tactics, and can clearly see that the emperor has no clothes.
America wants change....change from people like YOU who put us in this predicament in the first place.
If you can't find something NICE to say, you obviously can't see the truth.
Keep it up people. These 'swiftboaters' will simply add a few more names and faces to my 'Reciprocity Deck' (of cards). Clearly, I've probably long-since passed the 52-card deck limit - and that includes jokers - but no law says I can't just start over with another deck.
Also, I hope our side is ready with an unleashing of the pussy-chasing, bottom of the class-residing, 'go-to collaborating'-POW stuff. I mean if any of the 'collaboration' info is accurate, the short-armed SOB will be toast. Just need to be sure we don't obliterate him before the Repug convention - they may just dump him for one of those other weasels and we'll have to start all over.
Jeff @ 38:
You just make extra work for someone probably making little over minimum wage, Jeff. But hey, if it feels good, I guess that's all that matters.
dennis @ 39:
Oh sweet jeebus on rubber fucking crutches Dennis!
Give it up man. That dawg won't hunt...no sir.
Dennis, You can't see the forest for the trees. America is sick of gutter politics...the irony is, in the current election cycle, fools like you promoting these obvious lies will only make us stronger on the left. Keep up the good work...three hours a day is all Sean asks of you!
Don't fret, little one....We'll all be there right beside you on election day....handing out the crying towels.
Jay @ 44:
You "issue free" losers are so desperate.
DirtyDawg @ 46:
LMAO!!! He does have stubby little arms don't he?
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 48:
C'mon, liberalNmoderation, argue the point. Otherwise you sound like just about anybody else here who says exactly the same things on just about every thread. You're better than that.
Tell us the truth, Dennis...Do you pick up your marching orders from the right wing loonies on the A.M. radio, or do the "voices" you obey just spontaniously eminate from inside your head? Enquiring minds would like to know!
I didn't know neocons read books with all the time they waste in bars, fixing muscle cars, and riding all-terrain vehicles.
Jeff @ 49:
And I guess you'll be the little pervert man hanging out in the bookstore still moving books around and then going on leftwing blogs and bragging about it.
Tell me more about gutter politics, big guy.
i fear that many on the left are going to give obama a free pass.
and, like soooooooo many other times (see, clinton presidency) those of us on the left are not taken seriously, and are only paid lip service to, as the country moves further to the right.
as an indep liberal i want to know that my vote is going to someone who not only believes in the same values that i do, but that will actually stand up for them and champion them.
and from what i have seen from obama i am not optimistic. maybe he was/could be, but i am not going to sit back and let him run to the center and not say a word. i am not going to trust that this is just a political maneuver to get elected. i tried that before and it didn't work.
the idea that the country is anti-liberal, or that a liberal candidate can't be elected, is pure farce, and anyone that believes that has bought wholesale the lies from the right.
foolme1ns @ 36:
Reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_W18CWypE
Samson- @ 56:
If you don't like Obama than don't vote or throw your vote away for that nutjob Nader. After the election you can again whine about a Republican being president.
Well then, I guess we just need four more years of McBush....
If Obama is not fit to lead America...then perhaps the US needs to shop for leadership elsewhere......like maybe FRANCE!
Samson- @ 56:
Samson- I know it probably hurts your cred here a little receiving a compliment from me, but I'll say it anyway- very good post.
Liberals should want to know everything they can about Obama and they shouldn't fear this book. Calling it a 'swiftboat attack' before anyone knows anything about it save for the same publisher is nonsense is my only point.
dennis @ 52:
OK...Dennis...the people who published the book that helped take kerry down are publishing this one aimed at Obama...they're obviously GOP hacks with an agenda handed to them from the offices of rove and Cheney., and do you think they'll actually print anything but half truths, outright lies and previously debunked propaganda? They got nothing on Obama.
Why is this book going to be different than any other tactic they've previously tried, and subsequently fell short of their mission? The GOP/NEO-CONS are shittin their skivvies because the majority of the nation is onto their fascist agenda. And I for one take great delight in that.
You all should buy the book and put it in your bathroom for when the next shortage comes up. (TOILET PAPER)
dennis @ 55:
Oh, and thank you Dennis for the compliment.
Obama is just fine by the rest of the world. And they believe, that US politics is just too important to be left in the hands of the American people.
maybe now we'll get the truth
Left&Left @ 13:
That's why the title is SO important. Load it up with innuendo. The inside pages could be blank, or just feature photoshopped visuals.
The difference between their effectiveness during Kerry's campaign and anything they do now, is that they helped to put the most unpopular assh*le in the WH who ran the military and the economy into the ground. Good work, jerks!
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 62:
You obviously also take great delight in making fun of John McCain's stubby arms, sufferered from repeated assaults from his POW days at the hands of the North Vietnamese. I take back my statement that you were better than that. You're just another BDS wanker, nothing more.
SlowBurn @ 67:
And what's the truth?
Frybread @ 58:
your post, summed up: stop thinking, stop caring, just make sure you vote for the home team.
i was talking to liberals, not partisans.
let me add that what's inside the book doesn't matter. It's the fact that a book with that title is out there for Faux News to use as a prop. They'll wave it around like a flag.
Patriot Actor @ 66:
Damn that's funny in a sad kinda way...the part about US politics being too important to leave to the Amurkans...
From what I've heard from the European, Asian, and Canadian tourists I talk too at the pub, they ALL want Obama to be elected...they say it would do a GREAT deal to restore our reputation. They say they're all sick of the republican "Cowboy Diplomacy" and are anxiously awaiting to see a statesman take over the WH.
Jay @ 44:
I'm one of those "poor minorities who think the Dems are looking out for them" that you so eloquently speak for. Mr. Generalizer, I've been voting since 88' and have never prostituted my vote to the Dems. But until the Republican party cleanses itself of narrow minded sorry fucks like you, I'LL NEVER PISS MY VOTE AWAY TO THE REPS! And instead of boring me with a bullshit diatribe on why shouldn't I vote for Obama, try produce ONE reason why I should vote for McOldtimebigot and that sorry ass hate saturated party of his....and yours
Samson- @ 56:
Keith Olbermann, Glenn Greenwald Feud Over FISA
My guess is you are siding with the one with the conscience regarding Obama and FISA, and not the narcisstic lunatic.
Winning a hotly contested primary /= free pass.
dennis @ 69:
Yeah well Dennis, ya know what, I personally couldn't care less what you think about me or anything else really. And such remarks, coming from one who is almost certainly a paid GOP operative, I'll take them with a grain of salt.
Because you damn sure don't impress me with any of your arguments ( see NEO-CON talking points).
I dearly wish I could see the look on your face in November win Obama wins by a landslide. And McBain is history...as for my comment about the length of McBains arms.
I know he did sustain quite a few sever injuries from the plane crash and his stay at the Hanoi Hilton...but I saw pics of him prior to that, and guess what...stubby little arms!
So go fuck yourself Hoss.
What's really revolting is how the rightwing media is going to capitulate and talk about this crap and expect Obama to respond, or claim he's being evasive if he doesn't.
Meanwhile, the known facts about McCain continue to be ignored - he was an incompetent pilot, he wasn't tortured, he wasn't a war hero, and was a traitor who made pro-communist propaganda for three years. All of that is verifiable but will be ignored because McCainchurian is the rightwing's candidate.
dennis @ 69:
Shut up and get used to this Dennis. This is a small preview of what's going to happen when your swiftboaters bring the vile lies and bigotry...Obama warned you idiots that change is coming. And if I ever meet McBush, I'll raise my arm high in the air and ask his sorry ass for a high-five.
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 77:
Oh...and btw Dennis...nice way of not replying to my answer, just another character attack typical of you trolls when confronted with truth and logic.
Ron @ 18:
Hope the aren't looking at bill-O.
Remember bill-O looking at the teleprompter and screaming "I can't read that, I can't read that" "FUCK IT WE'LL DO IT LIVE" ?
WHAT A COUNTRY!
Left&Left @ 79:
you better settle for a low five alligator arms can't reach the high five
dennis @ 75:
dennis, you are ruining my blog-cred
:-)
(as if)
you betcha, i like KO a lot, but i thought greenwald's views were spot-on (as usual).
i also love naomi klein, and i think she helped she some light on issues that obama is not being asked to address, b/c the msm sides with him on the econ issue and a lot of liberals/progressives are, with fingers crossed, willing to let him just sliiiiiiiiiiiide on by.
have we learned nothing from clinton's failures? hello?
If it doesn't have a centerfold
Even bill o'really won't read it.
Sher @ 70:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtlpG0hb38
Sagra @ 76:
there is truth in that.
but, since then, obama's views have changed a bit.
such as his thoughts on FISA appeasement and NAFTA problems. pretty crucial things, if you ask me.
Seriously, what do the Repubs have to offer that anyone really wants ?
Can anyone name a single major area of public concern today in which the Republican position is also popular with the public?
That, good folks, is why we are seeing such a preponderance of c r a p like this against Obama. They have nothing on their own to offer. It's all "Obama-this" and "Obama-that"; little indication of their own ideas and issues. As long as it's not what Obama is offering. That is true desperation.
It is plainly obvious to me that McSame will lose in a landslide this Nov. People have begun to wake up.
Obama '08 !
karl @ 82:
No. I want to LMAO watching that angry old retard pathetically jumping in the air, painfully missing my hand!
The subtitle makes it clear the book is about McCain ("Media's Favorite Candidate"). What's up with that?
pissed off patricia @ 8:
Actually with the thought of higher home fuel prices, this is the perfect book to warm the homestead.
Left&Left @ 88:
LMAO, he couldn't reach your shoulders if he had two good arms. I don't think he's even 5'5".
Left&Left @ 79:
You say 'shut up' to a lot of people here, FarLeft². What are you afraid of?
You and folks like you do far greater damage to Mr. Hope'n'Change than ANY group of fictitious swiftboaters ever could.
Remember that the Reich-wing buys up their own books in vast quantities in order to turn them into best sellers. They'll do the same thing with this one. Then they practically give them away at web sites of their talking heads.
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Samson- @ 35:
There is a strategy involved when running for president. You do what you can to get elected and you keep your eye on the prize. Once there, your true self comes out. I trust Obama and feel he knows what he's doing.
Trittydi @ 93:
Yeah, you can get Dick Morris's book free.
Obama to be swiftboated??? And I'm suppose to be surprised or something?? Ok, excuse me while I pretend to be surprised....
JD
Jusker @ 28:
It isn't news now. They've know these guys were coming for a long time. Hopefully Obama is ready for them.
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Trouble is mccain wants to be everybody's chum
Even the sharks.
I still don't get the "war hero" status placed on McCain......heck the guy was by all accounts a substandard pilot, had only 20 hours of combat time to his credit when he was shot down....for which he recieved 30 medals/citations - that's like 1 and a half medals per hour.......wonder how that sits with the grunts who slogged through the mud dodging bullets during the same war??
Republicans are acting like he EARNED the presidency because of his war record.......doesn't make sense
Oh...and btw Dennis...nice way of not replying to my answer, just another character attack typical of you trolls when confronted with truth and logic.
Still waiting Dennis...wassamatta U? Frantically flipping through the RNC's Handbook for Blog Trolling? Your superiors got ya on hold while they try to find an answer for ya?
Pathetic.
dennis @ 92:
I admit, I don't know you Dennis. And you certainly don't know me. I'm not one those passive-agressive liberals that you can feed "you should be better than that" bullshit all while you chew off my achilles. I have the conscience of a Republican. Tell you what Dennis, after we kick you Repubs in the teeth in November, we can become friends.
Left&Left @ 101:
Passive Aggressive?! really?! I never thought I was passive aggressive...harumph!
Oh yeah...still waitin Dennis...what are YOU afraid of?
Sagra @ 27:
And how they keep their sheets so white after every cross-burning. (I smell product placement...)
Ron @ 63:
Someone gave us Bill Bennet's book of virtues as a gift. It was impossible to give it to anyone without insulting them. We didn't want to give such obvious trash to the library -- so we were forced to BBQ it.
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Aw, little d is all riled up! Hannity must have broadcast a real barn-burner today.
Adam Franklin @ 4:
This is a fabulous idea! If the text were on-line, I'd be happy to start adding a little truth to fiction.
As an aside, I was seriously depressed this morning to get an email blast from a person I formerly thought of as reasonable--it was the screed by Ken Blackwell, "award winning black columnist for NY Sun," that we first saw around the beginning of the year. You may remember all the "facts" that prove Obama is the most liberal senator hates America, and, just incidentally, probably is the antichrist. But of course I'm seriously depressed by just about everything these days...
Rusty Martini, Cigarette and a Snide Comment Shackleford @ 106:
Aye...laddie's got 'is knickers all boonched up, for shit sure!
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 77:
McCain is stubby himself - of course he has stubby little arms. He has stubby little fingers too. He probably has stubby little EVERYThING -- HE'S stubby.
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Rusty Martini, Cigarette and a Snide Comment Shackleford @ 106:
Oh no, it's The Return of the Attack of Mrs. O'Leary's Cow!!!
Oopsie:
Oh no, it’s The Return of the Attack of Mrs. O’Leary’s Living Dead Cow!!!
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 103:
I have no idea what it is you want me to respond to, LNM. McCain's arms before and after his imprisonment? Either way, I have no interest in discussing his or Obama's physical features. Sorry.
Dennis,
Many of us are critical of Obama, but not for the same reasons as you. Now go back to McCain's web site and pick up your points.
RuskinRules @ 94:
trust?
well, i will leave issues of trust to others.
when it comes to centrist democratic politicians i have a no trust.
and, obviously, there is strategy is running for any elected office, but the questions remains: which is the true obama? the one from the primary, or the current one?
and i still stand by the assertion that the obama campaign's watering down, or poo-pooing liberal ideas is not a smart political strategy. it just shows weakness, and a lack of understanding.
pissed off patricia @ 29:
Absolutely! And we can't let this one go by the boards. It's one (maybe only one) of McCain's main claims, and from all accounts he wasn't a smart, or effective pilot.
Come on McCain buddies, stick up for your man!
lj @ 115:
McCain was underqualified as a pilot, but he spent 5 yrs as a POW. For me his war record is basically a wash.
But he sure surrendered to the corporatocracy without a fight.
dennis @ 112:
No no...not gettin out that easy Dennis...I'm waiting for you to reply to my post before all this nonsense about McCains arms...my post @ 62...you never even attempted to address anything in that post, just resorted to name calling and trying to divert attention from the subject at hand.
While you're pondering that...take a look at this...
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bush_bot_small.jpg
Ah dammit too small to read lemme try it again...brb
OK...try THIS one on fer size.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bush_bot.jpg
Samson- @ 114:
get off the idealistic train........and jump on the realistic train........surely you understand the "vital center" of the voting spectrum.......this is a strategy...
Or THIS one!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/fasc_notus_prima.jpg
karl @ 120:
please see the last sentence of the post you are refering to.
T. Boone Pickens
Bob J. Perry
If you don't remember who they were/are look them up. These patriots financed the "Swift Boat" attacks. Boycotting their businesses, or keeping an eye on their doings would be worthwhile.
karl @ 120:
your short post is a treasure trove of irksome statements...
idealism? so, not wanting to be spied on by my own government is idealistic? demanding that our trade agreements take into account labor and environmental laws is idealistic?
and this notion of the "vital center" is dead on arrival.
strategy? yeah, the same grand ole idea that catapulted gore and kerry into the not-white house. that strategy?
Well, i guess we will see what kind of president we're pushing. Will he allow himself to be swiftboated as kerry and possibly lose the election or will he fight back at these cowards and liars. personally, i have faith that obama will take them down. find out crap on their leader(s) and publish and promote that. show them for the cowards and liars that they are.
Che's Lounge @ 113:
Maybe he'll earn a McBobblehead Doll.
the title itself is a boondoggle.
there is NO LIBERAL MEDIA.
no longer a proud american @ 125:
THAT IS PRESACTLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN. Obama must be absatively resilute on this.
Identify the persitrator and expose them to the public, preferently nekkid and covered with farts and tethers.
miss_kitty @ 126:
Original, MK. You go girl.
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 117:
OoooooOOOOOH DENNIS!
Wherefore art thou?
Samson- @ 124:
both parties are playing the "vital center"......maybe i have this wrong that obama is concerned about labor issues and the environment.....i thought he was being critized for having a unilateral approach to NAFTA...b.clinton got talked out of his concerns for these same two issues....the dems know we need to negotiate both these elements of the agreement...for the environment and to continue free trade with a fair advantage vs. unfair advantage.
you can belittle the "vital center" all you want.....this is the reality we face....i don't like the FISA decision one bit...i know your aware of the rational given...so we don't need to get into that.......i'm guessing that issue is much more complicated then we know......just a guess. if obama didn't appeal to the "vital center" he wouldn't have a chance. not in the political/cultural/psychological environment that has been brewing in the u.s. for 7-8yrs.....that's not a transition that's going to work conservative(extreme) to liberal as defined by neo-repubs.......i don't necessarily like it either.
dennis @ 129:
Quit stalking me.
miss_kitty @ 132:
Uhh, I think you responded to my post first, twit. Stalking... grow up miss kitty. You want to act high and mighty and dish it out, then the mildest of replies to you and you cry wolf.
dennis @ 133:
I responded to che, who didn't quote you. And you've been follow me around the board for awhile. And don't call the people you are stalking names. Name calling and telling me to grow up. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. [EYES ROLL]
karl @ 131:
in all honesty, i appreciate your reasoned and thoughtful response.
here are a couple of the things i alluded to:
On NAFTA-
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/330911
In her interview with the candidate, Fortune's Nina Easton reminded Obama that earlier this year he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake" and suggested that he would use an opt-out clause in the trade agreement between the US, Canada and Mexico to demand changes that would be more favorable to workers and farmers in all three countries.
Obama replied that, "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified" -- which would have been enough of an indication that he was backing off the stance that contributed significantly to his success in the February 19 Wisconsin primary that proved to be a critical turning point for his campaign.
"Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself," he continued, suggesting that those who doubted his sincerity when he denounced NAFTA in a speech to Janesville, Wisconsin, autoworkers might have been right.
maybe i am belittling the "vital center"... or, maybe i am belittling the notion that there is a "vital center". i guess i would argue that the "center" is many things, it is:
1) constantly in flux
2) changes as per which issue you are talking about
3) hyped by centrist politicians and the msm as a way to ensure the status quo
i guess, borrowing from others, what i am getting at is that we have been told by politicians and the msm that america has become more conservative, that leaders need to hide any liberal views they might have. yet, when you ask "ordinary" americans about things like healthcare, social security, nuclear proliferation, environmental concerns, corporate dominance, out-sourcing, etc. the truth appears to be a lot different. the country leans left. which is why the right wing is forced to make issues of gay marriage, flag burning, and the such.
and that is, partly, what i am getting at. obama could, if he so chooses (and believes that way), not run to this nebulous "center" but hammer home the issues that matter to nearly everyone that isn't dripping with gold bullions.
miss_kitty @ 134:
So you respond to Che with a cut to me, and I respond to you and that's somehow stalking. Riiiight.
[EYES ROLL] . I don't follow you around, I just remark on your blatant hypocrisy for the exact same things you decided to attack me on a ways back out of the blue. If you don't like it, think twice next time before you start firing volleys.
Twit.
dennis @ 136:
136 dennis
So what do you get with your mccain points
Green stamps?
miss_kitty @ 126:
I'd druther have a Bobblebreasted Elizabeth Kucinich doll.
dennis @ 136:
Take your own advice there, ya fucktard!
I'm calling you out Dennis. You're a pathetic little republican troll who can't handle it when the people you fear and despise so much prove to be smarter than you. And I'm certain, are waaaaaay fuckin cooler than you are.
Oh and by the way, I'm amused at the way you've ignored my last few posts. Have you no response Dennis?
And I'm gonna go ahead and say this, I'm not perfect, I make mistakes, and a fool out of myself at times. But I admit it, apologize, laugh at myself, and move on.
You can't seem to do any of that, you just lash out, when you've been bested.
We got your number now sparky, your strategy is exposed.
ysbaddaden @ 138:
I suggest breath mints...'cause, daaayum!
Is this you Dennis?
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bush_bot.jpg
Or this maybe?
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/useful_idiot.jpg
OK...I'm outta here folks.
Hope everyone has a great weekend. You too dennis.
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 141:
I think you get an autograph from Angry Grandpa himself. Except it's all squiggly because, well... you know. I'd say it but it might upset little d.
Rusty Martini, Cigarette and a Snide Comment Shackleford @ 145:
LOL!
Yeah...he's all flustered today...dunno why.
Dennis's America
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/993908~Beavis-Butthead-...
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 141:
It's all the garlic, onions, horseradish, saurkraut, wassabi, jalapenoes, curry and paprika I eat.
Why sometimes, I actually forget to put any food in there.
Here's another bushbot:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/patfish/spearscrotch.jpg
liberaDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 140:
Oh, you guys, gettin' upset over dennis.....
Do what I do. Every time you read one of his comments, imagine the comment being spoken by Sylvester the Pussycat, like this:
Tho you rethpond to Che with a cut to me, and I rethpond to you and that'th thomehow thtalking. Riiiight.
And if Chuck Pelto ever comes back, it's Foghorn Leghorn:
I say, I say, I do say I don't where the green suit no more.
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