Morning Joe: Obama Advisor Sets Scarborough Straight On Bush's Diplomatic Failures
By Logan Murphy Friday Jun 27, 2008 8:30am
(h/t Heather)
Barack Obama's Senior Foreign Policy Advisor Susan Rice appeared on Friday's Morning Joe to discuss foreign policy, and more specifically North Korea's destruction of a long-defunct nuclear cooling tower yesterday. The Scar thought this was a huge diplomatic victory for George Bush, but Rice sets him straight, reminding him that North Korea's nuclear program expanded by leaps and bounds under Bush's watch and that if he would have opened negotiations years earlier, much of this could have been avoided in the first place.
Joe pretends to be a middle of the road kind of guy, but when he gets punked, especially by a Democrat, it drives him crazy and his true, far-right colors always come through. As Rice goes down the laundry list of Bush failures, Joe gets snippy with her, and even stoops so low as to hurl an insult at Jimmy Carter in the process. NBC's David Gregory chimes in at the end of the segment and drops a question on Rice that was pulled directly from Karl Rove's playbook:
Gregory: "Hello, Susan. While we are talking about the prospect of nuclear terrorism, which is what is behind the concerns of North Korea and Iran. I have a broader question for you and really for Senator Obama. Why is it, does he believe that America has not been attacked in this country by terrorists since 9/11? And does George W. Bush, President Bush deserve credit for that?"
Rice: "I think what we have to acknowledge, David, that we haven't been attacked but we are nonetheless less safe as a sequence of the policies of this administration has pursued. Our standing in the world is at an all-time low. Al Qaeda is more dangerous now in Afghanistan and Pakistan than it has been. Our intelligence community is warning they are reconstituting and more deadly to U.S. forces than Iraq."
Of course, Gregory is incorrect, there HAS been a deadly terrorist attack in the U.S. since 9/11 -- the anthrax attacks that killed 5 Americans ring a bell to you? It's interesting that so many seem to forget this factoid. Speaking of anthrax and Bush failures, you'll be happy to learn that $5.8 million of your tax dollars were just awarded to Steven Hatfill in his lawsuit against the Bush Justice Department. Hatfill is an Army scientist who was deemed a "Person of Interest" in the anthrax attacks, but was eventually ruled out as a suspect in the Bush administration's botched investigation. Hatfill's lawyer placed partial blame on the media for not questioning the Bush administration's motives in targeting him and for reporting leaked disinformation they could not substantiate.
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David Gregory is a complete ass-wipe. I've had zero respect for that turd since I saw him "break dancing" with MC Rove. He is a complete Bushco tool.
I was just watching Fox News and they had Dennis Miller on it. He's like the Cat Stevens of comedy!
Gregory going down the same road that Matthews and Olbermann have before him...can Rachel be far behind?...must be these pretty faces get hypnotized by seeing themselves on the telly! Then it's all about ME all the time and whatever might pop into my peabrain to share with the viewing audience! After all these depressing years of having to endure rightwint nuttery...now we have our own! HOORAY!!!
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s @ 2:
Except for the fact that Cat Stevens is actually funny from time to time, Miller IS like him, yes...as for Gregory and Scar...they're two pieces of shit in the same toilet.
she's hot!
and Smart!
OUCH!!!!
Gregory's question about 9/11 is phrased in such a way as to give the impression that George Bush's policies are the only reason "America has been kept safe" as they like to say. But is that really the case? Could it also be that Al Qaeda or some other group simply does not see it in their best interests to directly attack the United States because Bush's policies are exactly what they wanted as a response? If so, then that could only mean that the safety of the United States isn't being dictated by the U.S. Government but by Al Qaeda itself. As long as the U.S. Government continues to wear the United States thin by invading other countries then there may be no reason for Al Qaeda to attack at all. Their objectives will be achieved either way.
Then, that North Korea issue really poses some questions in my mind. Why woud North Korea give up, or least part with some of its best bargaining chips? What did the U.S. give them in return? It must have been something really good because North Korea does not give in so easily.
Oh yeah, she's absolutely on point.
KA-CHING!!!!
This is why we no longer watch the idiot box at our house. When Ms Rice won't agree with Joey he feels the need to shout over her. This is no debate. It's crap.
Scarborough is such a condescending ass, and David Gregory sounded like he was reading off a WH press release (which I suppose he sees as his job). Rice basically bitch-slapped both of them.
Joe O. @ 6:
good points!
the fuckwads are desperate to cement some kind of legacy.
but like susan said: WHERE ARE THE BOMBS?
How is Scar qualified to be on teevee anyway? What exactly are his credentials? I mean besides having a dead woman in his office?
Mickxotic @ 8:
She still made the joe team look like asses. she blew away all their talking points.
liberalDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 11:
maybe he has pictures of her with someone from GE? maybe he let them stash her in his office.
Was that "stuck in the middle with you" playing over her as she was speaking towards the end?
And these two clowns...Joe and David are on the list as replacement for Russert...right???
I read this by the way...don't watch Morning Joe. He along with Mika..are twits!
Martians haven't invaded and melted our brains either, so I suppose Gregory will try and add that to BushCo's list of accomplishments.
One expects garbage from neocon-gooper Scar but Gregory is shedding his pretense of journalistic standards to reveal a run of the mill village stenographer. Both are sewer feeding hypocrites.
Ah yes, the anthrax attack that vanished. How's the investigation into that coming along anyway?
didn't 9-11 happen under bush's presidency? its like terrorism began after 9-11 for these wankers. bush's administration failed to heed the warning by the clinton administration of a potential terrorist attack, with airplanes, on america. why is no one calling out the administration on that instead of touting the "no attacks since 9-11" line.
I love listening to David Gregory, who for about 15 minutes 3 years ago was an actual reporter.
Now he is just another tool. A blunt, awkward, and poorly crafted tool.
Shouldn't we be asking how many attempted terrorist attacks Bush stopped? If there were no attempts than obviously there were no attacks. This question of "there have been no attacks since 9/11" is a false proposition because it assumes there have been attempts.
You've got to be sh*tting me: Do real people, grownups, such as David Gregory supposedly is, think Al Qa'ida is going to follow up 9-f***ing-11 with something less spectacular?
Do these idiots think Al Qa'ida couldn't attack banks and shopping malls etc. if they wanted, right now, today, in the USA? Do these knuckleheads think that somehow the U.S. occupation of Iraq is preventing, right now, would-be Al Qa'ida volunteers from strapping dynamite to themselves and taking out minor offices or stores?
If anyone is thinking that, they're idiots.
The reason Al Qa'ida hasn't attacked the U.S. since 9/11 is that 9/11/2001 was the dream terrorist attack which may never (we may hope) ever be replicated in scale or drama. Osama bin Laden has retired at the top of the terrorist game until such time as he gets hold of a nuclear weapon, thanks in part to administration incompetence.
The terrorists don't have to attack again. As anyone can see, 9/11 did the job beautifully---look at the state we're in now, and have been in for the past almost seven years. In fact, I believe new attacks would actually DEMYSTIFY 9/11, DIMINISH IT in the eyes of the American public, and the whole idea is to have us freaked out (with the help of folks like Bush) to the max. 9/11 has done that job just fine---just look at us---there is no need for another attack.
OK...I gotta say...smart AND beautiful...if there's a MR. Rice...he's a damn lucky SOB!
liberalDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 11:
Probably because he's just like Sean Hannit-wit, but with slightly better manners.
We are still under attack.
billions here,billions there
blood money ill spent.
Le Misanthrope aka Jim W @ 24:
September 11 *started* the job--the Bush administration is what keeps it going. The most effective terrorists are in the White House, and the others are sitting back and laughing at our timidity and foolish reactions to booga-booga tactics.
Damn get in line and take your spanking!
24 Le Misanthrope aka Jim W Says:
"The terrorists don’t have to attack again. As anyone can see, 9/11 did the job beautifully—look at the state we’re in now, and have been in for the past almost seven years. In fact, I believe new attacks would actually DEMYSTIFY 9/11, DIMINISH IT in the eyes of the American public, and the whole idea is to have us freaked out (with the help of folks like Bush) to the max. 9/11 has done that job just fine—just look at us—there is no need for another attack."
I agree. What escapes people like Gregory and Scarborough is the fact that what you described is a very simple tactic used around the globe by most militaries. Its obvious though that they wouldn't know about this because they have never served.
We carried similar operations out even during training in the Marine Corps when I was in. If you have a handful of men with meager weapons you do no confront a superior force head on. That is suicide. Especially when they are in a fortified position. You lure them out with harassing attacks then hit them using hit and run tactics, set them up for an ambush and cut them down, or pre-position boobytraps for them fall into when they do come out after you. By using that method even the best forces will take heavy loses of equipment and manpower while the base or fort that they came from was only hit once.
The MSM keep repeating the "America has not been attacked in this country by terrorists since 9/11" propaganda. As we were in 1998, we're between attacks. The difference is, Clinton didn't keep repeating "America has not been attacked in this country by terrorists since '93!" In hindsight, he probably should have.
Personally I consider the Anthrax Attacks to have been an even greater terror attack then 9/11 as far as the psychological effects. Although more Americans died in the 9/11 attack it was none the less limited in scope. The Anthrax Attacks had the potential to reach into every single home in America through your friendly US Postal Service delivery system. Now THAT'S terror!
The "terrorists" are in the White House (and wherever Cheney's office is). As they sufficiently scared the American populace in '01, there's no reason to stage another attack - unless we get a little uppity before the Nov election.
Amitola @ 32:
No reason for another attack...unless they want to declare martial law and formally shift from the last vestiges of democracy to a full fledged fascist dictatorship.
GF @30
In hindsight, I think Clinton should be given more credit for his apparent "in-actions" than he has been given credit for. In fact, I bet the advice he received was the very advice that prevented him from being in the position Bush is in now. Bush is faced with two failed states that he can not control, an approval level never before seen in modern history, an economy on the brink and a military run down and incapable of mounting another massive military strike without a lot of effort.
I bet Clinton heeded what his advisors said to him and it paid off. They more than likely said to him, Don't respond the way they expect! That attack in 1993 is a lure! Your expected response to it is their goal! If you respond as expected they will fight you on their own terms.
If susan Rice is representative of the administration that Obama will place on the table, we're in good hands. she took on both morning joe and the lieberman wannabe, david gregory and drove them both under with facts. they tried their half factual arguments and were duly shot down. First Scarborough, stating that rice was characterizing the north korea move as a modest step, he stated many leaders would not refer to this as a modest step. rice countered with these were what bush termed it, a modest first step. after that scarborough knew he had been bested and he shut up.
as for gregory, he really looks through the war through rose-colored glasses, "doesn't bush deserve some credit since we haven't been hit since 9-11," completely disregarding the fact that the intelligence clearly states that the terrorist forces have only gotten stronger and are amassing their strength into a singular strike force. rice point this out very succinctly and shuts up this turncoat tool who has ambitions of an anchor position. Gregory, you rank among the worst of them. you are one of those who choose to defend the indefensible strictly to see how much ground you can gain in your quest for a network anchor. Looking at the character and journalistic integrity of those already in those positions, keep doing what you're doing, you've got a shot. what a tool!
We've had 4,000+ troops killed and 25,000 wounded in Iraq. If they tried, could terrorists have caused that many casualties in attacks on the U.S.?
They don't have to attack us here when they can attack us over there.
Anthrax immunization was clearly available at the time. Support of the Patriot Act.
Susan is one smart lady.
I really enjoy watching Bush sycophants get spanked. Every time they run up against someone who has wit and knows their stuff they lose the argument. Confirms for me that they're so smart they can't think.
perhaps Dick Cheney is an Al-Qaeda sleeper agent?
that would answer a lot of questions wouldn't it.
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Bitter Bud Hussein Says:
David Gregory is a complete ass-wipe. I’ve had zero respect for that turd since I saw him “break dancing” with MC Rove. He is a complete Bushco tool.
You are not alone partna! Gregorys face sickens me!!
She was all over them like white on rice!
David Gregory always chooses a shade too orange for his pancake makeup. It's distracting -- makes it hard to concentrate on his LIES.
Gregory would like to make the point that Bush has kept us safe from further attacks since 9/11. But others might argue that 9/11 itself would never have happened if Bush and Cheney were in power.
As for further attacks, why would you need to stage another one, when the big attack has allowed you to build the pipeline across Afghanistan and invade Iraq's oil fields and scrap the parts of the Constitution you don't like.
Oh I forgot, there's a big election coming. Watch out.
liberalDAPoJUSTICEmoderation Says:
How is Scar qualified to be on teevee anyway? What exactly are his credentials? I mean besides having a dead woman in his office?
I supposed he is admired because he got away with a crime, having never been charged in the murder.
O'Really would of cut her mic off.
oops:
Gregory would like to make the point that Bush has kept us safe from further attacks since 9/11. But others might argue that 9/11 itself would never have happened if Bush and Cheney were in NOT power.
As for further attacks, why would you need to stage another one, when the big attack has allowed you to build the pipeline across Afghanistan and invade Iraq’s oil fields and scrap the parts of the Constitution you don’t like.
Oh I forgot, there’s a big election coming. Watch out.
It's a lot of fun to see these douche bags get hammered by someone who actually knows the material. The problem is, these guys get a lot more airtime than she does... and the mouth breathers have a better chance to see them and believe their drivel.
I don't have any suggestion to change this or anything... it is just a chilling thought.
Morning Jerk and his republican talking points.
that is why I don't have cableTV. the shows are either stupider than regular TV or reruns of regular TV.
I have blockbuster for whatever is going to be on my TV.
Watched it! Loved it! Dr. Susan Rice--our new hero! She made Joe Scarborough and Gregory look like total doofuses and she did it so easily and effectively. It was great to see Joe look like the fool he is. Also, check out the video/transcript from the same show of his interview with Rep. Wexler where he shows a clip from Colbert satirizing the conservative pundits obsession with labeling dems as liberals. Then aftwer showing the clip...Joe badgers Wexler to admit that Obama is a liberal. The satire was totally lost on Joe and it was a riot. How Wexler kept a straight face is amazing.
There is clearly an untapped reservoir of intelligent black women out there. Very refreshing. Takes getting used to as we have been dumbed down for 7 years by the fake christian right wingers. Has anyone ever bothered to ask; "Who the f**k _is this Joe Scarborough?
Can you think of any substantial conviction the folks under DHS have achieved for anyone? Other than minor immigration or false ID violations?
This Scarfbarrel guy has been on Real Time a time or two and basically comes across as a complete hot head, knee-jerk Republican agendist. One of countless
talking heads who throws out the phony outrage and indignation. Basically another blathermouth like Lou Dobbs et al.
Amitola @ 32:
The “terrorists” are in the White House (and wherever Cheney’s office is). As they sufficiently scared the American populace in ‘01, there’s no reason to stage another attack - unless we get a little uppity before the Nov election.
liberalDAPoJUSTICEmoderation @ 33 Says:
No reason for another attack…unless they want to declare martial law and formally shift from the last vestiges of democracy to a full fledged fascist dictatorship.
Right. Since the Pres and our self-serving Congress have enacted numerous Executive Orders, Presidential Directives and legislation (Patriot Act, Defense Auth Act, etc.) since9/11 which have solidified power in the "Unitary Executive," increased the authority of Homeland Security (Chertoff gives me the creeps) and seriously curtailed our civil liberties, don't be surprised if some "new" New Pearl Harbor occurs. I'm pretty sure DICK would like to take over before his heart gives out for good......
The guy is an idiot and an asshole, who the hell listens to or watches the bullshit from loudmouth jerks like Scarboro?
never forget that david gregory is karl rove's dancin' dolly. his afternoon program is utterly unwatchable -- gossip passed off as political analysis. and always with an underlying effort to promote st john's pathetic campaign.
Old Joe & Greg were not going to let a WOMAN of color kick their ass. But she did and they reverted back to the Repug attack mode.
David Gregory is a fainting goat. He falls over at the least bit of stress. Rice did an excellent job without having to scream and talk over people.
Isn't it amazing how the news is filtered through the "messenger"? No wonder Bush/Cheney was able to control what the American People were allowed to know for so long. Both Scarborough and Gregory are pitiful examples of the MSM being completely up the Bush administration's ass! They drank the koolaid, and by God, no one can tell them othewise now. Bush/Cheney has a couple of real doozys in those two. How sad and how pitiful! Also, why does MSNBC continue to allow Scarborough to attack the female guests on their air, who don't agree with him? It's absolutely disgraceful the lack of common respect he has for so many females. I feel sorry for the women at MSNBC who have to put up with him. I realize that Olbermann is just as outspoken on the reverse side, but the difference is that Olbermann is "right"! These two goons are incompetent, and irresponsible in not paying attention to what is actually happening, and buying into the bullshit Bush feeds them!
Papa Boule @ 18:
When Carter was Prez; the headlines used to be; DAY 568 of the HOSTAGE CRISIS.
Imagine if the media posted Headlines like DAY 2453 in the Hunt for Osama; or Day 2340 in the Hunt for the Anthrax killers. But instead; these things just fade and vanish. Thats to hide the fact that they failed at justice.
Rice should have added that we weren't hit by a terrorist attack for 8 years before 9-11, either. And those who did the 1993 WTC attack were caught and brought to justice. Can Bush say the same thing about the 9-11 attackers? Instead, Bush has to count on the likes of Scarborough and David Gregory to muddy the fact that Osama bin Laden killed Americans on US soil, not Saddam Hussein. Count on seeing the likes of Susan Rice the next few months--if the MSM gives her air time.
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P.S. Linda at #55 refers to Gregory as Rove's dolly. I love that reference! Am I the only one who screams in pain everytime David Gregory tells his panels that they are going to have a "play date"? Is that suppose to be cute? Someone needs to inform David Gregory that he really sounds like an idiot!
Hey David, no hurricanes have hit New Orleans since Katrina. Why not give Bush credit for that too?
I wondered how long it would take before someone mentioned the dead women in Joe's office ! #11 is the winner by clocking in only 22 minutes after the post opened 7:00! The comments section started off at 6:38!
I bet it's tough for #11, holding all that important info back, just waiting for the right time to spring it on us?
Way to go #11, for bringing in some useless banter that has nothing to do with the 2 useless sycophantic clowns, Joe and Gregory!
I LOVE it when somebody from the Obama campaign can go face to face with the likes of THE SCAR and David Gregory (who danced with criminals...) and tell them THEY should be listening to the experts... and remind them of the FACTS of recent history... and basically CLEAN THEIR CLOCKS with intelligence and common sense.
This lady is AWESOME!
Apparently the inept MSM forgot about the anthrax attacks.
Thank god that Hatfill has finally been not just cleared, but vindicated.
The so-called investigation into the Anthrax attacks was beyond a joke. Anyone who spent a few hours investigating that crime knew Dr. Philip Zack was a far far more likely candidate. But it was verboeten to even consider him.
She's like the anti-Condi
all the soldiers in Iraq who didn't volunteer for the retardedness should see this kind of settlement.
Forget about the anthrax, what about the foreign suicide bombers in Iraq? Yes, distinctions get blurred in a war zone, but I don't see how you can designate the foreign suicide bombers as anything other than terrorists. They have no business being in that country in the first place, and they've (deliberately) killed far more innocent Iraqi civilians than they have Americans.
Or how about the Riyadh residential compound bombings in May 2003 which killed 9 Americans, and the whole string of terrorist attacks targeting Americans in Saudi Arabia that followed?
What's remarkable about these attacks is they all seem to be perpetrated by the exact same folks who hijacked those airplanes on 9/11:
http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
If Democrats really want to shove the national security issue down the Republican's throats, that's the way to do it.
Pink-y, the rediculous aspect is that the poster only mentioned having a dead woman in his office. Poster 11 neglected to mention that the young woman worked at Joe's Ft. Walton Beach office and never mentioned that the US Attorney's office for the Northern District of Florida considered that area a hot bed of child exploitation activities. The poster didn't tell how the young woman, while working alone, managed to slip or trip and hit her head killing her. For some reason Joe wasn't reelected. I would suggest adding the fact that an assistant US Attorney was arrested in Detroit last year and hanged himself with his shoelaces rather than be tried for travelling there to have sex with a very young girl. For some reason the current US Attorney in Pensacola turned in his resignation effective June 30th.
I might mention that that area of Florida is also very proud of the stars and bars.
charles @ 37:
Faux the only cable network not attacked in Oct 2001 !!!
It would be rather interesting to know if self important Faux execs and mouthpieces were taking Cipro before the attacks.
I suspect they were.
Faux claims to have had hate mail in the style of the real bio attacks on the other cable companies.
Either the domestic bio terrorists ignored Faux as irrelevant and not important, or something else !
I'll tell you exactly why we haven't been attacked since 9/11. Haven't read the comments yet, but we haven't been attacked because at least someone has been reading the President's Daily Briefings now, unlike in July 2001 when Bush was handed the PDB entitled 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack in United States.' Perhaps if Bush had bothered to read it rather than telling the aide that he had covered his ass, we might have prevented 9/11, too. Bastards.
and this is why gregory should never get meet the press
and while we havent been attacked on the scale of 9/11...what was the anthrax attack?
and our allies have indeed been attacked
hey gregory...stfu
[Goodbye. Sitemonitor]
Goodness is JoeGirl our first tranny troll? Who is the we that He/She speaks of?
Is JoeGirl as confused about politics as He/She is about His/Her own sexual identity?
Great post Logan. But just to be ridiculously nit-picky: a "factoid" by definition is not true.
David Gregory is a punk and if Obama gets elected I can't wait to see him slap that faux reporter around.
I think letting MSNBC know by voting with our clickers that we won't watch either him or Joey the Scar is the only way to go.
JoeGirl,
Susan only seems like a bitch to you because her intelligence, poise and confidence threaten your sense of inadequacy. What I saw was a well-informed, well-spoken, woman who not only didn't take any shit from Gregory or empty-headed-Joe, but who clearly had better knowledge of the subject and its history than either of the men she was addressing.
curtilingus @ 14:
Sure was. Maybe she played it in her studio to indicate her displeasure with having to put up with both fuckwits.
NOW! lets do the same to WOLFE boy on CNN. NONE of the Democratic poeople on CNN has let WOLFE boy know that he is all wet,and McCain is FLIP-FLOPER.
She was double teamed and she nailed them point for point.
What about the elephant sitting in the corner-ANTHRAX.
She is the only female I've seen anywhere who can stand up to these screw ups.
Hey, David Gregory: We haven't yet reached the seventh anniversary of 9-11. What was the time interval between the initial Bin Laden WTC attack in Feb. '93 and 9-11-2001? More than 8.5 years. So should Pres. Clinton have taken credit for keeping America safe from Bin Laden's gang in 2000? Until someone gets Bin Laden *and* invents a crystal ball that proves we'll be free from future attacks, no administration should ever pound their chests and demand credit for keeping America safe. This *especially* applies to an administration that received the "Bin Laden Determined To Strike United States" intel memo and then took no action in the weeks leading up to 9-11. It's great that there have been no subsequent attacks on American soil, thus far. However this incompetent gang that couldn't keep us safe from 9-11, from the aftermath of Katrina, from Vioxx and other examples of FDA leniency, or even from our own salmonella-laced tomatoes -- should just keep their mouths shut about keeping Americans safe. BTW they also couldn't keep our troops safe with body armour, and couldn't keep them from being electrocuted while taking showers in Iraq. They couldn't keep rescue workers safe by telling the truth about air quality in the days following 9-11. And BTW Bin Laden is still alive and uncaptured. Keeping America safe for the last seven years? Bullsh*t, David Gregory!
Why do they keep commending Bush about the fact we haven't been attacked since 9/11? Do we have to commend husbands who do not come home drunk and beat the shit out their wifes? Or comend kids who to college and actually get their degrees? Or commend them because they are not drug addicts or pimps?
Go God sake! Once this sorry ass was appointed President, it was his natural duty to protect our country. Has he done that? Hell no! Now we enemies galore, thanks to his super stupidity.
And the economy? Fuck! That's another story.
Wow... She kicked those frat boys butts with a brilliant vengence.
Scar is such a bad actor. He fails at trying to "play smart".
Gregory is the Joe Lieberman of journalist.
Since he danced with and fell in love with Karl Rove at the Press Club gig, they have been in deep dark neocon love.
The only MSNBC I see is here on C&L.. that is enough
Dr. Susan Rice? WHF? I bet she kicks Condom Rice's ass in a debate? Why do I have the feeling she her replacement? I love that!
No attacks since 9/11? How about the continuous assault on our Constitutional freedoms and the non-stop raping of our economy by BushCo's gang of thugs for the past 7.5 years?
Fuck you, David Gregory. Go suckle Georgie's left nut some more.
Whenever I hear the statement that Bush has made us safe because there have been no attacks on American soil I point out 2 facts. The first attack on American soil by Al Quaida happened in 1993. The second attack on US soil by Al Quaida happened on 9/11.
That's 8 years. So if time is the only measure of safety, then anyone who loves Bush for making us safe must also love Bill Clinton. And had Bush been paying attention in the summer of 2001, that safety record would have gone on longer than 8 years.
The second point I make is to ask who thinks that the reason no American plane has been commandeered in 7 years is due to the checking of passengers -- seeing as how we keep hearing about how things keep getting thru -- and how many believe our planes have been safer because of what happened on flight 93?
Frankly, I'm 56 years old, fat and not very brave, but I have no doubt that if I were on a commandeered plane nowadays, NO WAY IN HELL would I die slamming into a building. Into a field yes, or from a knife yes. But I'll die trying to get that plane back, and I think I'm in the overwhelming majority.
So Bush made us safer? BullS*&^!!!!
Mark @ 89:
These talking heads should be reminded that there have been serious terrorist attacks after 9/11 by Al-Qaida: Madrid and London.
But it is nice to see how the only suffering that counts is when American lives are taken, when allies get bombed... who cares, right?
With "compassionate conservatism" like that who needs the plague?
It's nice that she stood up to them, but it doesn't make any difference. You can hit these fucktards over the head repeatedly with the facts but they'll just scurry back into their holes and when the next progressive comes on they'll trot out the exact same discredited talking points.
I thought there was a hint of sexism in the way that Joe Scar... and David "fainting goat" Gregory spoke to Susan Rice. Could probably add a bit of elitism to their attacks, too.
If the Scar had any cajones... he's get rid of Mika and put THIS LADY on in the morning. THAT wouldn't be fair, but it would be more balanced.
I'm wondering why anyone thinks blowing up a cooling tower would disable this nuclear facility. A decent size pump circulating cooling water through the cooling system and discharging back to the river could replace that cooling tower overnight. Without on site verification this is just for show. Obama is right on this issue.
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s @ 2:
I like that- very funny.
What the hell DID happen to Miller?
...and they forgot to count the Anthrax Attacks as terror attacks, again.
Lets not forget at how targeted those letters were.
Our good friend Russ Feingold was a target.
Barack Obama’s Senior Foreign Policy Advisor Susan Rice gives Bush too much credit for the "modest gains" in dealing with Korea.
From McClatchy by way of Common Dreams:
How Did Bush Policy Lead To A Deal With North Korea? Answer: It Wasn’t Bush Policy
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/27/9940/
ANTHRAX RULES!
Media blowhards.
Besides, they dont have to go far and risk capture to kill Amerikans now.
Hoo Haa! Those shit for brains bobble heads just got their hats handed to them by one of the most articulate women I have heard in years. Thank you, Susan, for setting the record straight and not cow-towing to these talking point retards.
Why do the knuckledraggers automatically assume we were going to get hit again and want to canonize Bush for the fact that we were not hit again?
I mean, was 911 not bad enough and they figured that that was just going to be a regular biannual occurence?
David Gregory is proving himself to be a complete Dumbya Bush and Karl Rove kiss-ass.
These so called journalist have stopped doing ther jobs a long time ago, because they've been bought. Some big wheel has a warranty on their asses so they can never be real journalist. They just do what Bush and Cheney tell them to do so they won't lose their jobs. This will be looked on as one of the sorriest times in our country because of the media.
I am not and would not defend George Putz and the neo-convicts, but let's get one thing straight: neither Saddam or any other foreigner was behind the anthrax attacks on US soil in 2001/2002.
1) All the intended targets were democratic party members.
2) The DNA of the anthrax matches the strain used by US universities and the CDC for research. The FBI confirmed that the strain of anthrax the US sold to Saddam had different DNA.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/may/21/anthrax.uk
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1216anthrax1216.html
http://www.rense.com/general16/FBIsubpoenaslabs.htm
The anthrax attacks of 2001/2002 were acts of domestic and political terrorism by Americans against Americans.
As for Al Qaeda, the reason they haven't attacked US soil since 2001 has nothing to do with fascist "security" methods. When was the first attack on the World Trade Centre? In 1994. That means Al Qaeda waited seven years before attacking again.
Those nutcases are not impatient like US terrorists such as George Putz or Jonh "Blockhead" Bolton. Osama bin Laden and other muslim extremists think the Crusades (of a thousand years ago) are current events. They are more than willing to wait a decade until the US lets down its guard before striking again; after all, they waited nearly three and four years before the Madrid and London bombings.
The bombings on Madrid and London WERE attacks on the US and it's "allies". George Putz has NOT stopped all attacks since 9/11.
Susan Rice is awesome!
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THE BEST ANSWER TO THE QUESTION:
"Aren't you surprised that we haven't been attacked since 9-11?"
ANSWER: "no less surprising than the fact that we weren't attacked inside the U.S. for eight and a half years after the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in February 26, 1993 ."
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It is a pretty safe bet that if the republicans try to Brag about something george bush has done, a little research will show that Clinton beat him at that too, and without the bragging. Correct me if I am wrong, but:
Clinton
February 26, 1993 to January 20, 2001=(2885 days), or 7yrs 10mos and 25 days(no other attacks for Clinton)
Bush
September 11, 2001 to January 20, 2009=(2688 days), or 7ys 4mos and 5day-(If we are lucky)
In 2008 math, bush loses. Maybe in 50 years there will be a new math to help him out!!
Rice is one smart woman and Obama is lucky to have her on his team. I believe we found two people (Joe and David) that are in the small percentage that approve of GWB. Ha! LoSeRs
The sad truth is that (any) US foreign policy is largely irrelevant in North Korea. Right now, China is what is keeping them in check.
David Gregory's assertion that America has not been attacked since 9/11 is bogus. America is attacked nearly every day in Iraq. If attacks on American soldiers and facilities in Iraq are not attacks on America, then what are they? Unless our soldiers and facilites (or the ridiculous term "treasure" that politicians are so fond of using) are considered foreign mercenaries (which is certainly the way they are being ABused) then they are every inch American.
To say that America has not been attacked is shameful.
Gregory is such a slime-ball. Talk about selling your soul! Gregory would sell-out
the entire Country for Money and Ratings. This guy is nothing more than a Republican Hack.
I think there are way too many ridiculous comments. Here's a sample:
I dunno, but in the real world, i think scarbourough spanked rice.
Joe's a lying ass...he wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the face.
I'm sorry...Scarborough's an ignorant ASS, who wouldn't know the truth when it hits him in the face...and David Gregory may be an example of corporate run media...afraid to speak his own mind but rather say what his bosses want to hear.
Rich in San Bruno @ 112:
Scarborough knows the truth, he just doesn't want to tell it. He's part of a propaganda machine. If you don't go along with the program, they'll replace you with another liar.
Scarborough likes his check. He doesn't care that it's blood money.
Next time someone says "we haven't been attacked since 9/11", kick him in the balls and say, "now Bush couldn't prevent that, could he?"
Let me see.
Bill Clinton was elected in 92 sworn into office in Jan 93.
1 st terrorist attack on the World Trade Center occurred in Feb.93.
Planned during the 1st Bush administration.
The next attack on the World Trade Center happened in 2001.
8 years of no attacks.
By David Gregory's logic we should praise Clinton for no attacks.
And he didn't even have to suspend the constitution to do it.
By the way those that planned and carried out the first attack are in prison.
After Rice said Joe's historical frame was incorrect, he replied, "No, it's not."
Did anybody else notice the angry little boy in that retort?
What is this angry little boy doing with a TV show?
Who stuck a turd blossom up David Gregory's ass?
WTF happened to him and why is he such a jerk now?
'sorry, I haven't read all the previous posts, but somebody must have brought up the point that having over 4,000 of our soldiers killed must be recognized as tantamount to multiple terrorist attacks on our country.
We might want to consider that while "no one has attacked America" since 9/11, they haven't had to. They have killed more Americans in Iraq than they did in New York City on Sept. 11.
I still think mourning joe is the guy from Deliverence...not the one who did ned beatty...although it could have been one of his relatives...? the banjo player in the beginning. I think the eyes being so close together gives him away....
The 'lost' Soviet nukes in the 1990's posed a real but psychologically denied strategic threat to the American victors (and corporate globalization plans in effect) This and other issues of fear may now be coming up for daylight after Bush/Cheney Alzheimers years.
First-911 happened on Bush's watch. No one ever mentions that. Second, I don't get the feeling that any of these guys, news people or polititions realize how angry the American people are. They sit on TV and talk as though this election is the same as any other. I have spoken to more people who have always voted Republican, and they are as angry at this administration as I am. John M is running the worst campaign I have seen in my 60 yrs on this planet and whenever he speaks the hall isn't even filled. Obama and Clinton get thousands of people to come to their speaches. Maybe the Repubs don.t care because they have something up their sleve,but as far as I'm concerned it is a slam dunk for the dems.(of course, unless, it is stolen yet again).
WOW she's smart, if this is the IQ obama has behind him, sign me up
I don't know about anybody else but I found the playing of STUCK IN THE MIDDLE (with lyrics like "clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right") over her voice as she's talking serious shit about nuclear weapons in seriously bad taste.
The President was criminally negligent in protecting US from 9/11 attacks then obstructed investigation to prevent learning or accountability and ensuring America repeats the same mistakes.
#33 IGNORING WARNINGS RE: 9/11 The President failed to take proper steps to protect
the nation prior to the 9/11 attacks by ignoring repeated warnings from his top security advisers regarding the likely imminence of a terrorist attack.
#34 OBSTRUCTING 9/11 INVESTIGATION The President first attempted to prevent all investigation into the 9/11 attacks, then obstructed investigations of the 9/11 commission and failed to respond to their requests for information
#35 ENDANGERING HEALTH OF 9/11 RESPONDERS The President recklessly endangered the health of 9/11 responders by causing and allowing the Environmental Protection Agency to issue false, unsubstantiated and misleading information about the air quality in the area after the attacks.
http://www.pubrecord.org/docs/vega/kucinich-bush-articles-of-impeachment...
Corporate media denial is forgetting the WMD targeting and murder of fellow media professionals as well as Congressional opponents of the Patriot Act like Senators Leahy and Daschle. Last time the Capitol was evacuated was when the Brits burned it during War of 1812 (how can these Beltway cretins forget this?)
David Gregory has the 9/10 mindset "oceans protect us" by ignoring attacks on American interests and allies (UK, Spain, Bali, India...).
Since W. invaded Iraq:
-terrorist attacks are up 7-fold according to a Peter Bergen/Paul Cruickshank study.
plus the hypocrisy of a President who claimed during a debate that the most dangerous threat is nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists and then:
-Cheney outed a NOC CIA Agent and CIA front co. whose sole purpose was to stop proliferation of WMD from people like AQ Khan to Iran or to terrorists.
(Bush Sr. said "those who would expose our sources and methods are the most insidious of traitors." Impeachment is for "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors"
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.)
-Iran jumpstarts its nuclear ambitions and a nuke race in the MidEast. Of the 12 Middle Eastern countries, 4 out of the 5 are countries of origin of 9/11 hijackers: S. Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, UAE + 40 countries worldwide.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/fears-of-arms-race-after-...
Blind media support a blind President. During a press conference a couple years ago, a reporter stated that North Korea had increased its nuclear arsenal to 9 nukes or so. Bush challenged the facts and asked the reporter according to what sources? reminded me of his "I hadn't heard that gas is headed to $4"
Bob in PA@84 Says:
Hey, David Gregory: We haven’t yet reached the seventh anniversary of 9-11. What was the time interval between the initial Bin Laden WTC attack in Feb. ‘93 and 9-11-2001? More than 8.5 years. So should Pres. Clinton have taken credit for keeping America safe from Bin Laden’s gang in 2000? Until someone gets Bin Laden *and* invents a crystal ball that proves we’ll be free from future attacks, no administration should ever pound their chests and demand credit for keeping America safe. This *especially* applies to an administration that received the “Bin Laden Determined To Strike United States” intel memo and then took no action in the weeks leading up to 9-11. It’s great that there have been no subsequent attacks on American soil, thus far. However this incompetent gang that couldn’t keep us safe from 9-11, from the aftermath of Katrina, from Vioxx and other examples of FDA leniency, or even from our own salmonella-laced tomatoes — should just keep their mouths shut about keeping Americans safe. BTW they also couldn’t keep our troops safe with body armour, and couldn’t keep them from being electrocuted while taking showers in Iraq. They couldn’t keep rescue workers safe by telling the truth about air quality in the days following 9-11. And BTW Bin Laden is still alive and uncaptured. Keeping America safe for the last seven years? Bullsh*t, David Gregory!
on the money Bob.
Cheney says Anthrax were terrorist attacks. So does Frances Townsend the White House Homeland Security Advisor.
David [reporter]: You talked about the possibility of a threat in the U.K. The anthrax attacks, which have happened since September 11th, CBS is reporting that they -- that these may be an American -- what you might call an American loony, and not a Muslim terrorist. Do you think -- are those reports correct, do you think? Do you have anything you could share with us?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: We just don't know. We're working hard trying to find out exactly what the source of the anthrax attacks are. But at this stage, we don't know whether that's something that's generated here at home, or whether it's part of the Osama bin Laden-al Qaeda attack on the U.S. It's clearly a terrorist attack; whether it's domestic or foreign, we don't know.
David: Absolutely. But you have no proof that it's al Qaeda or bin Laden?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: At this stage, I can't say. We just don't know.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/567683/posts
Q Fran, you said that we've not been -- "in the six years since the September 11th attacks, we've not been attacked, and I'm often asked why" -- are we any closer to finding out who carried out the anthrax attacks that followed the September 11th attacks?
MS. TOWNSEND: Obviously that's an ongoing investigation. I'm sure Director Mueller would be delighted to answer. (Laughter.)
Q But doesn't that count as a terrorist attack? I mean, that is a subsequent event, right, so it's --
MS. TOWNSEND: It does in my mind.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-7.html
Follow up with McClellan.
Q Scott, on the anthrax attacks. The latest anthrax attacks reminds Americans that we have not found the origins of who or a group of people or one person who sent the anthrax in October of 2001 at -- this has all gone on as we're spending so much money for biodefense. Why have we not found the person or persons responsible for the anthrax attacks of 2001?
MR. McCLELLAN: That's a matter that remains a priority. It remains under investigation. The FBI continues to pursue it....
Q But, Scott, it somewhat makes -- some of the critics of this Bush administration are very concerned, as we're talking about preventing terrorism abroad in the Middle East and the oppression and tyranny there, we're still very vulnerable to terrorism here, and still have not, again, found the origins of the anthrax attack of October 2001.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050315-5.html
Cheney and Frances Townsend, White House Homeland Security Advisor say Anthrax was a terrorist attack, why won't Gregory?
David [reporter]: You talked about the possibility of a threat in the U.K. The anthrax attacks, which have happened since September 11th, CBS is reporting that they -- that these may be an American -- what you might call an American loony, and not a Muslim terrorist. Do you think -- are those reports correct, do you think? Do you have anything you could share with us?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: We just don't know. We're working hard trying to find out exactly what the source of the anthrax attacks are. But at this stage, we don't know whether that's something that's generated here at home, or whether it's part of the Osama bin Laden-al Qaeda attack on the U.S. It's clearly a terrorist attack; whether it's domestic or foreign, we don't know.
David: Absolutely. But you have no proof that it's al Qaeda or bin Laden?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: At this stage, I can't say. We just don't know.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/567683/posts
Fran Townsend, White House Homeland Security Advisor, also admits that America was attacked twice under Bush's watch.
Q Fran, you said that we've not been -- "in the six years since the September 11th attacks, we've not been attacked, and I'm often asked why" -- are we any closer to finding out who carried out the anthrax attacks that followed the September 11th attacks?
MS. TOWNSEND: Obviously that's an ongoing investigation. I'm sure Director Mueller would be delighted to answer. (Laughter.)
Q But doesn't that count as a terrorist attack? I mean, that is a subsequent event, right, so it's --
MS. TOWNSEND: It does in my mind.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-7.html
McClellan-think this was about the nyc guy who got anthrax from goat skin.
Q Scott, on the anthrax attacks. The latest anthrax attacks reminds Americans that we have not found the origins of who or a group of people or one person who sent the anthrax in October of 2001 at -- this has all gone on as we're spending so much money for biodefense. Why have we not found the person or persons responsible for the anthrax attacks of 2001?
MR. McCLELLAN: That's a matter that remains a priority. It remains under investigation. The FBI continues to pursue it. ...
Q But, Scott, it somewhat makes -- some of the critics of this Bush administration are very concerned, as we're talking about preventing terrorism abroad in the Middle East and the oppression and tyranny there, we're still very vulnerable to terrorism here, and still have not, again, found the origins of the anthrax attack of October 2001.
MR. McCLELLAN: Okay, let me repeat -- I would not try to draw conclusions yet on some of the current information that we have seen in the news...
...we have made preventing bioterrorism a top priority, and that's why we have worked on initiatives to address those issues. And the President will continue to make sure we are doing all we can to better protect the homeland, while also staying on the offensive abroad to prevent terrorist attacks from happening in the first place.
Love it when Scar gets his ignorant ASS kicked royally with the real facts, not Reslug lies, along with his Bush ASS kissing sidekick Gregory.
Gregory is now a paid White house liar like most so called reporters.
You said this, I said that...who do you believe. You can't because almost everything anyone says has about as much untruth to their comment.
The one thing here is, I'm impressed with Rice, I think she surpasses the other Rice in presentatrion and convincing discourse.
I agree with all of you on Susan Rice. She's outstanding. A Phi Beta Kappa Stanford grad/Rhodes Scholar with a doctorate from Oxford, who was assistant Secretary of State under President Clinton?
Please.
Cup-o'-Joe and his RNC talking points never stood a chance. Facts presented clearly and succinctly will usually beat spin and rhetoric in an honest debate.
Now, David Gregory...
I'm not as hard on him as others are. Remember what he's being asked to do. He's a journalist whom they want to turn into a panel discussion host/moderator.
A "host/moderator" is not supposed to be an advocate, and is supposed to ask "tough" questions to either side. Given the state of the Bush Administration and its policies, all Republicans really have left is spin and rhetoric, so...it's difficult not to fall into that talking points trap when trying to ask a "tough question" on a subject, especially on foreign policy to a Democrat.
wow @ 123:
obama
I'd vote for her if she were running for President! Too bad she isn't . . . oh well!
I'll vote for McCain instead.
sitemonitor-sorry for double post., pls delete@127
"Stuck In The Middle With You" is Brad Friedman's, of bradblog, theme song to all his videos and radio shows so maybe Ms Rice was visiting his blog at the time. Cool , if that was the case.
Bitter Bud Hussein @ 1:
Thank you for the comment about Gregory dancing with Rove. Every time I see Gregory all I see is him dancing with Rove. Gregory is just another disgusting talking head. I don't want to know what salaries these fools make. And btw, why do spin heads always refer to "no attacks since 9/11"? Excuse me, but it was on the Bush/Cheney watch that 9/11 occurred to begin with. And who ho didn't read his PDB on August 6 2001?
ha ha like maybe the terrorist attack might come by way of a campaign inspired mc cain advisor? sound familiar? with the new contracts, mission accomplished. collateral damages anyone?
Basic logic, boys and girls. Third grade stuff. Obviously, you can't prove a negative. Or disprove one. In order to buy the Rove/Bush argument about "no terrorist attacks," even at face value, you have to be so stupid that you fail at understanding even the most basic, simple logic. You actually have to be the stupidest person who ever lived to buy it. In other words, you have to be a republican. Can you say "Landslide," Ladies and gentlemen?
Recalling Dances-With-Roves Gregory's thin-skinned and self-serving response to Scott McClellan's criticism of the "liberal media," in the lead-in to the war: he doesn't even have credibility with his wife.
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