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As we noted last month, a number of states have been considering laws that, under the guise of "academic freedom," single out evolution for special criticism. Most of them haven't made it out of the state legislatures, and one that did was promptly vetoed. But the last of these bills under consideration, the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), was enacted by the signature of Governor Bobby Jindal yesterday. The bill would allow local school boards to approve supplemental classroom materials specifically for the critique of scientific theories, allowing poorly-informed board members to stick their communities with Dover-sized legal fees.

The text of the LSEA suggests that it's intended to foster critical thinking, calling on the state Board of Education to "assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories." Unfortunately, it's remarkably selective in its suggestion of topics that need critical thinking, as it cites scientific subjects "including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning."

The bill has been opposed by every scientific society that has voiced a position on it, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science. AAAS CEO Alan Leshner warned that the bill would "unleash an assault against scientific integrity, leaving students confused about science and unprepared to excel in a modern workforce." Read on...

Jindal is definitely vying for the far right base of the GOP and this move will score big points for him. The rabid right-wing base of the party can't stand McCain, so Jindal might prove to be a good fit for them. As The Huffington Post reports, Jindal has joined the GOP's bold march backwards.

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Trittydi's picture

I'd pull my kids out of any school that went along with that SO FAST - heads would spin.
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Hey, I think Jindal would be a great fit for Mccain. the people of Louisiana just love him

LAMO

JoeMarasmus's picture

Ahh, Gov. Jindal. Makes me glad to live in Illinois.

By the way, if you think Obama moving to the center is a bad thing, listen to this.

I Like Pie's picture

Maybe I'm just not getting it; but, how in the hell does a Hindu get elected governor in a state that produces people like David Duke?

MountainMan23's picture

Historically, the laws of genetics were understood long after evolution and natural selection were accepted by the scientific community.

However, it's the laws of genetics - specifically hybridization and mutation - that drive evolution.

And every one of these "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" proponents accepts and uses the products that our knowledge of genetics give us.

Flu vaccines. Varieties of flowers, of pork, beef, etc. To name a few.

And many of these proponents of "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" have their own farms where they routinely use the principles of genetics.

They want to accept the benefits of the scientific knowledge but not its logical implications.

For to accept genetics is to accept evolution.

Scy's picture

It would be a gift to the Dems if McCain picked this fool. I mean nothing says "Republican dumb" quite like an idiot from the 10th century. Talk about dumb and dumber.

bart's picture

If you do not believe in science, you should not be allowed to go to a hospital. you should go to church and jesus can heal you.

Proud2bHumble's picture

"Ladies and gentlemen, the next next President of the United States, from the great state of Lose-ianna, Booby Ginned-Up!" Another reichwing exorcise in pander petting...

...just realize gooperacists, if elected, this freak's gonna be preznit by 2010...cuz McAl Simers McAin'tgonnalasttoolong...

Marc's picture

Marc @ 9:

Politics, politics...

(In reference to comment #3)

Numinous's picture

bart @ 7:

If you do not believe in science, you should not be allowed to go to a hospital. you should go to church and jesus can heal you.

I agree with you. Being stupid should have a price to pay.

One benefit will be that it would definitely help clean up the gene pool.

russ mason uk's picture

Why do I get adverts for the sun newspaper when I log in to my left of centre friends from the USA?

Do you have no shame?

P.D.'s picture

Why did people vote for this guy? Are they that stupid? I find it so hard to believe that some people have no intelligence, or at least, try to learn. These people are hopeless.

Kibitzer 2006's picture

Oh God, Please, Please make John McCain pick Bobby Jindal as his running mate. Then we could spend the fall talking about exorcisms, Adam and Eve being eaten by dinosaurs (how did they die anyway?), and how facts have a liberal bias. If God makes this happen it will be proof enough for me of intelligent design :).

--Kibitzer

karl's picture

he won't pick jindal

Proud2bHumble's picture

Numinous @ 10:

bart @ 7:

If you do not believe in science, you should not be allowed to go to a hospital. you should go to church and jesus can heal you.

I agree with you. Being stupid should have a price to pay.

One benefit will be that it would definitely help clean up the gene pool.

We can only hope...cuz there's a whole lotta BoobyJ's floatin round in there, and they ain't no Baby Ruths...

;-}

getalife's picture

The reps in La. played with Jindal.

The gave themselves a huge pay increase to offfset corruption reform and the Speaker told Jindal if he vetoed it, he will never get his reform passed.

Jindal caved and the reps in La. hope McCrazy makes him VP to get rid of him.

Politics as usual in La.

numfar's picture

RAMEN
RAMEN
RAMEN
FSM...We beseech thee!!!

Erupt beer on these crazy people!!!

Don from Canada's picture

Most of the people that are against evolution are just jealous against people that have actually evolved. Those poor poor knuckle draggers.

Let the all go to hell except cave 76.

JTM's picture

"Dover-sized legal fees" (as a clickable) really ought to be a link to something that actually specifies the amount Dover paid in legal fees, no? I'd be interested to know the amount.

Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1's picture

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Wait till they assault math!

I mean, can these advocates for Religion in "PUBLIC" funded education even prove their "GOD"?

QUESTION:
What will they say when we find out that GOD allowed nature to take it's course?

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mudshark's picture

Proud2bHumble @ 15:

Numinous @ 10:

bart @ 7:

If you do not believe in science, you should not be allowed to go to a hospital. you should go to church and jesus can heal you.

I agree with you. Being stupid should have a price to pay.

One benefit will be that it would definitely help clean up the gene pool.

We can only hope...cuz there's a whole lotta BoobyJ's floatin round in there, and they ain't no Baby Ruths...

;-}

Thanks P2b, I needed that. LOL.

BobbyG's picture

This Jindal dude is no good. What a lightweight. We will accept this cat to be a "heartbeat away"? Right, LOL!

Pick him for Veep, McBu'ush, please do, by all means.

marykmusic's picture

numfar @ 17:

RAMEN
RAMEN
RAMEN
FSM...We beseech thee!!!

Erupt beer on these crazy people!!!

Yes! Yes! The Noodly One will touch all those small-town school board members with His Noodly Appendage!

It's just as logical to study the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and this dogma was developed as a response to the Kansas Board of Education pulled the same lame stunt.

Trittydi's picture

I Like Pie @ 4:

Maybe I'm just not getting it; but, how in the hell does a Hindu get elected governor in a state that produces people like David Duke?

He's a christian and he even performs exorcisms. THAT'll be an interesting sell at the national level . . . .
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Mickxotic's picture

HEY! I Like Pie...Jindal converted to catholicism.

DMS's picture

"Show me on the doll where science touched you."

Trittydi's picture

karl @ 14:

he won't pick jindal

No - I agree with you -- unfortunately. Everything about the guy just screams "bat-shit crazy" -- I'm amazed that he was elected to anything.
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DMS's picture

Seriously, I have to agree with those who say it's extremely doubtful McSame would pick Jindal. The GOP is just floating his name out there to give the impression they're "broad-minded" enough to consider someone who isn't white and Protestant.

Radically Moderate's picture

As much as I am repulsed by the actions and words of Jindal on teaching "controversies" in the Biology curriculum, Barack has also said that evolution alone does not answer all of the questions or words to that effect.
Still, to my knowledge, Barack has never signed any legislation that would allow creationism/intelligent design to be taught in science as has Jindal.
However that is cold comfort to me.

Trittydi's picture

marykmusic @ 23:

numfar @ 17:

RAMEN
RAMEN
RAMEN
FSM...We beseech thee!!!

Erupt beer on these crazy people!!!

Yes! Yes! The Noodly One will touch all those small-town school board members with His Noodly Appendage!

It's just as logical to study the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and this dogma was developed as a response to the Kansas Board of Education pulled the same lame stunt.

I demand equal time for the Flying Teapot and the Pink Unicorn.
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moniker's picture

He's Rev. Hagee with a tan.

Randy's picture

This has the Discovery Institute written all over it.
To have this Governor and the State of LA a part of the country I live in, is an emabarassment.
baby jesus, please weigh in.

ABB's picture

I Like Pie @ 4:

Maybe I'm just not getting it; but, how in the hell does a Hindu get elected governor in a state that produces people like David Duke?

Because he has converted to Christianity, and gone to the extreme right! I am ashamed that he is of Indian origin like me and is doing what he is doing.

John's picture

America in the 21st century... Galloping towards the dark ages.

I know one girl from Louisiana. College graduate, business school. Very smart girl.

She doesn't see anything wrong with this bill, and she's not even majorly religious.

P.D.'s picture

moniker@31, LOL. Did you notice how little press our friend Norquist received from MSM? I'm mean you would think they were in cohoots with the Repugs!

General_Rennenkampf's picture

Would the Catholic who's advertising for the Protestant Fundies please get the Hell out of the Governor's Mansion, please?

We're trying to recall Jindal, and the bastard's gonna turn Louisiana to shit even worse than his predecessors have.

Should have voted for Boasso, dammit, I really should have voted for Boasso. When the Evangelicals got all hot'n'bothered about a man from a denomination they consider the church of satan, something was up.

Anyone who wants to argue for Creationism where mankind is concerned (since they seem to accept all other animals evolved), please answer the following questions from a Creationist perspective with a reason beyond "It was the will of God:"

1) Why do all non-Africans share one common Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial lineage, and all other lineages are all located in Africa? Considering the Jewish tradition is Middle Eastern, its place of origin is understandable. Not, however, in accordance with evidence showing that all non-Africans from Fuegians to Inuit, from Maori to Evenk, from Cape York Aborigine to Basque share a common genetic lineage starting with haplogroup M, and only Africans share other lineages.

2) Explain why human anatomy shares many vestigial traces associated with a tree-dwelling lifestyle, and why human biology is best adapted to a savannah scavenger lifestyle instead of a Middle Eastern desert and riverbed environment like a Creationist human race would be adapted to. Specifically explain why the appendix, the remnant of the cecum, has been allowed to deteriorate to the point that the only thing it does is possibly kill you. Also, explain why human eyes face forward close together in a field of vision associated with other primates, and adapted to see snakes and other predators closer. Finally, explain the purposes of palms sweating other than as a vestige of those tree-dwelling days.

3) Explain why modern human bones appear suddenly, and why archaic humans retain archaic traits even in youth. Explain why Neanderthals had a form of religion clearly not Yahwist in origin. Explain why Yahweh would favor a smaller, lighter form of humanity as opposed to the stronger, and hence able to subdue the Earth easier lineage of the Neanderthals. Humans are a relatively gracile, weak species with light bones. Were Yahweh interested in subduing the Earth, presumably the more powerful Neanderthals who could lift a ton with ease would have been used instead. Next, explain why humans lack the browridge of every other primate, when such a thing presumably would have been more intelligently designed for us. No need for sunglasses, the boney growth on our heads would suffice instead. Next, explain how it is that no hominin bones are found before Erectus outside of Africa, and why Neanderthals were the beasts that inhabited Israel for the longest time of anywhere out of Iberia.

4) Next, explain the distribution of animals across the Laurasia-Gondwanaland axis, with certain species more common elsewhere than where they presumably would have been placed to be fruitful and multiply. In particular, explain how bison could have moved across the Atlantic to North America. Were bison secretly champion swimmers? Also, explain how the sloth could have, in 6,000 years reached the Amazon rainforest from the Middle East. Explain as well why things like camels and nutria and kudzu were not present in parts of their present-day ranges before they were introduced. Nutria perform so well in a Southern environment, they're a nuisance. Explain why the camel, perfectly adapted to the Australian outback, had to be introduced in by Bedouin in the days of the British Empire, instead of being placed in a suitable range. Also, explain why such an explosively-adapted plant like kudzu is all over the South. Since God said 'Be fruitful and multiply', presumably these species would have been in places that they could have been most fruitful and multiplicious. Explain also why horses evolved in North America, and then went extinct so that Europeans had to reintroduce them. WTF? Did God hate Indians or something?

5) Last, explain why the race chosen to bear the image of God is in the ass end of the galaxy, in a minor part of a local supercluster in a vast and unforgiving universe. Wouldn't God have placed His image in the direct center of the universe, and wouldn't geocentrism make more sense from that perspective? The evidence now says so strongly that even most creationists are not geocentrists, and hate the ones who are. Please explain why geocentrism wouldn't work from a creationist perspective.

Answers to those questions beyond "Goddidit" would be appreciated.

Proud2bHumble's picture

mudshark @ 21:

Thanks P2b, I needed that. LOL.

Just chummin' the waters for ya muddy ;-}

Mike V.'s picture

Idiot Christians, lining up their idiot kids to be drones for the rest of their lives.

♠Bangkok Bob♥'s picture

“We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn’t been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake.” — Catherine Fahringer

ABB's picture

ABB @ 33:

I Like Pie @ 4:

Maybe I'm just not getting it; but, how in the hell does a Hindu get elected governor in a state that produces people like David Duke?

Because he has converted to Christianity, and gone to the extreme right! I am ashamed that he is of Indian origin like me and is doing what he is doing.

Actually, he got elected because he promised to do this - put "creationism" in the classes!

Proud2bHumble's picture

moniker @ 31:

He's Rev. Hagee with a tan.

lol

Tsiuqron Revorg, is that u?

Truman's picture

can we tax the stupid?

♠Bangkok Bob♥'s picture

Proud2bHumble @ 41:

moniker @ 31:

He's Rev. Hagee with a tan.

lol

Tsiuqron Revorg, is that u?

A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).

General_Rennenkampf's picture

Oh, yes, and two more challenges for the YECs:

6) Why would Yahweh make His chosen people such a minor people? The Kingdom of Israel of David and Solomon does not exist, archaeologically. Yahweh also instilled the ancestors of today's Iraqis and Iranians as the greatest empires of their day. The Sumerians, Assyrians, and Babylonians were all far more advanced than the Israelites. The Achaemenid Iranians outweighed the rest of the planet in their era far worse than the Cold War superpowers did. They were the greatest state in existence at that time, not just in Eurasia, but globally. Achaemenid Iran was, for the time, far more powerful than the US is today. Why did Yahweh not make His chosen people as great as the Achaemenids, and instead place them not just in a trading and invasion path, but also in the one spot with no oil? Yahweh seems to be a pretty poor planner, there.

7) Explain why isolated tribal peoples like the Australians and the San hunter-gatherers and the Fuegians and the Plains tribesmen of North America did not have a recognizably Yahwist monotheism. 6,000 years is a short time indeed for religious divergence, and one would presume that peoples that spent that amount of time in isolation could preserve some trace of Yahweh's worship.

8thAvatar's picture

I think this election is been already decided , BO will be pres.., and I doubt GOP want some one from there side to hold this messy "BAG".

They are just getting the populous to get involved as if this is going to be tight race.

As far policy decisions are concerned there is hardly going to be difference btwn 2 party.

General_Rennenkampf's picture

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 39:

“We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn’t been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake.” — Catherine Fahringer

I don't think the barbarians that overtook Rome especially cared about preserving European minds, nor did the prevailing currents of the time in Western Europe. The Eastern Roman Empire's a different story, but in the West, a nonChristian Europe would have been set even further back, particularly if some gnostic sect took over, what with their ideas that with matter itself as evil, no knowledge beyond the sacred knowledge of the cult was important. Christianity did much to fuck up the West, but it could have been a lot worse. We might by 3,500 years behind, instead of only 1,500. The treatment of Socrates and Aristarchus is a pretty clear indication that pagan cultures were hardly more advanced than their Christian successors. After all, Aristarchus invented heliocentrism, and his ideas were rejected because they dared state that the Sun was not driven in the sky by Helios. It took until Copernicus for that idea to resurface, and it took roughly 1,773 years for Heliocentrism to resurface, and another 150 to accept it. Don't presume that pagan cultures would have been any more tolerant than their Christian equivalents. It never resurfaced in the era of the Roman Empire, and Ptolemy was the one chosen in that era.

DMS's picture

General_Rennenkampf @ 46:

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 39:

“We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn’t been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake.” — Catherine Fahringer

I don't think the barbarians that overtook Rome especially cared about preserving European minds, nor did the prevailing currents of the time in Western Europe. The Eastern Roman Empire's a different story, but in the West, a nonChristian Europe would have been set even further back, particularly if some gnostic sect took over, what with their ideas that with matter itself as evil, no knowledge beyond the sacred knowledge of the cult was important. Christianity did much to fuck up the West, but it could have been a lot worse. We might by 3,500 years behind, instead of only 1,500. The treatment of Socrates and Aristarchus is a pretty clear indication that pagan cultures were hardly more advanced than their Christian successors. After all, Aristarchus invented heliocentrism, and his ideas were rejected because they dared state that the Sun was not driven in the sky by Helios. It took until Copernicus for that idea to resurface, and it took roughly 1,773 years for Heliocentrism to resurface, and another 150 to accept it. Don't presume that pagan cultures would have been any more tolerant than their Christian equivalents. It never resurfaced in the era of the Roman Empire, and Ptolemy was the one chosen in that era.

All right, General, but what you just said supports Christopher Hitchens's point: "Religion poisons everything".

General_Rennenkampf's picture

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:

Proud2bHumble @ 41:

moniker @ 31:

He's Rev. Hagee with a tan.

lol

Tsiuqron Revorg, is that u?

A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).

I could add a lot more to that list from other religions. A certain Baruch Goldstein comes to mind, as does the entire Hinduvta movement, and the Japanese right that still views Akihito as a living God. More than just Christianity can be perverted in the guise of religion. The Fundie Muslims are a good example, as well. A bit cliche, and rather overblown, but still a good example.

General_Rennenkampf's picture

DMS @ 47:

General_Rennenkampf @ 46:

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 39:

“We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn’t been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake.” — Catherine Fahringer

I don't think the barbarians that overtook Rome especially cared about preserving European minds, nor did the prevailing currents of the time in Western Europe. The Eastern Roman Empire's a different story, but in the West, a nonChristian Europe would have been set even further back, particularly if some gnostic sect took over, what with their ideas that with matter itself as evil, no knowledge beyond the sacred knowledge of the cult was important. Christianity did much to fuck up the West, but it could have been a lot worse. We might by 3,500 years behind, instead of only 1,500. The treatment of Socrates and Aristarchus is a pretty clear indication that pagan cultures were hardly more advanced than their Christian successors. After all, Aristarchus invented heliocentrism, and his ideas were rejected because they dared state that the Sun was not driven in the sky by Helios. It took until Copernicus for that idea to resurface, and it took roughly 1,773 years for Heliocentrism to resurface, and another 150 to accept it. Don't presume that pagan cultures would have been any more tolerant than their Christian equivalents. It never resurfaced in the era of the Roman Empire, and Ptolemy was the one chosen in that era.

All right, General, but what you just said supports Christopher Hitchens's point: "Religion poisons everything".

Christopher Hitchens is an Iraq-supporting asshole. I care little for what he says. This world isn't ideal or perfect, and it could be better, but there's all sorts of ways it could have been a helluva lot worse. For instance, a magical Nazi victory (magic would be required, as once the Nazis declared war on us in addition to the Soviets and the English, they were doomed), would create a much more toxic atmosphere than the Soviet one did, and all things considered, the USSR did much to destroy Russian, much less Eastern European and Mongolian culture. I'm not much of an optimist. I've read too much history to be one.

Timmy_D11's picture

This occasion is just dying for this!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

particularly the part when he MUST have been talking about Jindal himself:

Do you ever notice the people that believe in creationism look really un-evolved?!

:)

Impeach cheney and bush's picture

When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? Are the christian churchs harboring ignorance and intolerance? Come to think of it that is one of the reason I left the church. An unseemly amount of church attendees are just plain stupid. Glad I stopped going to church. It does tickle me that according to their belief that the world is only about 5,000 years old. And Moses must have been fighting not only the Egyptians but the dinosaurs. Also, Adam and Eve sired two boys that must have had sex with their mother to populate the world (well, until Cain killed Abel.) All of it requires a less than inquiring mind--however, they proudly call it "faith".

DMS's picture

General_Rennenkampf @ 49:
Christopher Hitchens is an Iraq-supporting asshole. I care little for what he says. This world isn't ideal or perfect, and it could be better, but there's all sorts of ways it could have been a helluva lot worse. For instance, a magical Nazi victory (magic would be required, as once the Nazis declared war on us in addition to the Soviets and the English, they were doomed), would create a much more toxic atmosphere than the Soviet one did, and all things considered, the USSR did much to destroy Russian, much less Eastern European and Mongolian culture. I'm not much of an optimist. I've read too much history to be one.

Yes, he's an asshole. Yes, he supported the invasion of Iraq. But that doesn't mean Hitchens can't be right about religion. He *is* right about religion, IMO.

General_Rennenkampf's picture

Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:

When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? Are the christian churchs harboring ignorance and intolerance? Come to think of it that is one of the reason I left the church. An unseemly amount of church attendees are just plain stupid. Glad I stopped going to church. It does tickle me that according to their belief that the world is only about 5,000 years old. And Moses must have been fighting not only the Egyptians but the dinosaurs. Also, Adam and Eve sired two boys that must have had sex with their mother to populate the world (well, until Cain killed Abel.) All of it requires a less than inquiring mind--however, they proudly call it "faith".

Much of what you said applies to people in general. I'm sure the average Hindu can be just as stupid as the average Southern Baptist, or the average Pentecostal can be as absolutely batshit insane as the average Communist in the post-1991 era (I'm talking "All-power-to-the-Soviets"-style Bolshevism when I refer to Communism). People are dumb, dangerous, panicky savannah apes. It sucks. Sometimes I wish the whole period about prior to 50,000 years ago had worked the way it was supposed to so that Neanderthals had survived instead.

DMS's picture

Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:

When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? ....

Funny thing, I understand the Roman Catholic church isn't so big on this "creation science" nonsense.

Otay's picture

So is an Exorcism Teaching bill next on the list for Jindal to sign?

And how soon can we expect the Dem congress and pres. candidate to join in? You know, to "move to the center".

General_Rennenkampf's picture

DMS @ 52:

General_Rennenkampf @ 49:
Christopher Hitchens is an Iraq-supporting asshole. I care little for what he says. This world isn't ideal or perfect, and it could be better, but there's all sorts of ways it could have been a helluva lot worse. For instance, a magical Nazi victory (magic would be required, as once the Nazis declared war on us in addition to the Soviets and the English, they were doomed), would create a much more toxic atmosphere than the Soviet one did, and all things considered, the USSR did much to destroy Russian, much less Eastern European and Mongolian culture. I'm not much of an optimist. I've read too much history to be one.

Yes, he's an asshole. Yes, he supported the invasion of Iraq. But that doesn't mean Hitchens can't be right about religion. He *is* right about religion, IMO.

He very well is, in an era of ICBMs and when a bunch of people motivated by a fanatical faith can easily bomb an abortion clinic and spread their hate on the Internet, or send airplanes into buildings, or send poison gas into a subway system, religion by its very nature is toxic and needs to be kept out of politics and preferably out of other people's lives. That goes for neopaganism and Shinto and Alawism as much as Christianity and Islam.

Proud2bHumble's picture

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:

Proud2bHumble @ 41:

moniker @ 31:

He's Rev. Hagee with a tan.

lol

Tsiuqron Revorg, is that u?

A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).

Fools and plutocrap tools...divide and con-cur...keep the masses ignorant and distracted.

Saloum's picture

Why such outrage at Jindal??? Everyone's lord and savior, Mr. Obama is a gawd freak too. If you "believe" in a barefooted hippy in the sky guiding your life, you may as well support the teaching of this crap as well.

Otay's picture

JoeMarasmus @ 3:

Ahh, Gov. Jindal. Makes me glad to live in Illinois.

By the way, if you think Obama moving to the center is a bad thing, listen to this.

Move to the center? On FISA, he moved to the far right. Take a look at the polls:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ACLU_poll_Majority_opposes_telecom_immunit...

General_Rennenkampf's picture

DMS @ 54:

Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:

When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? ....

Funny thing, I understand the Roman Catholic church isn't so big on this "creation science" nonsense.

Even funnier, people that consider Catholics both individually and collectively to be damned (ah, the lovely arrogant ignorance of Protestants, to criticize the origin of Western Christianity), were clustering around Jindal like vultures around a carcass. Jindal isn't a Catholic, I think he's serving a Protestant agenda.

General_Rennenkampf's picture

Proud2bHumble @ 57:

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:

Proud2bHumble @ 41:

moniker @ 31:
lol

Tsiuqron Revorg, is that u?

A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).

Fools and plutocrap tools...divide and con-cur...keep the masses ignorant and distracted.

Indeed, Comrade, we must send these plutocratic fools to the Gulag. The glorious proletarian revolution awaits, the dialectic must triumph, and we must create a proletarian paradise!

deadpan humor.

Proud2bHumble's picture

General_Rennenkampf @ 48:

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:

Proud2bHumble @ 41:

moniker @ 31:
lol

Tsiuqron Revorg, is that u?

A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).

I could add a lot more to that list from other religions. A certain Baruch Goldstein comes to mind, as does the entire Hinduvta movement, and the Japanese right that still views Akihito as a living God. More than just Christianity can be perverted in the guise of religion. The Fundie Muslims are a good example, as well. A bit cliche, and rather overblown, but still a good example.

...and the creamy filling in the middle says, "It all comes down to dualism vs nondualism", yummy double stuffed Tao Yings my Yang...haha

;-}

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Proud2bHumble @ 62:

General_Rennenkampf @ 48:

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:

Proud2bHumble @ 41:
A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).

I could add a lot more to that list from other religions. A certain Baruch Goldstein comes to mind, as does the entire Hinduvta movement, and the Japanese right that still views Akihito as a living God. More than just Christianity can be perverted in the guise of religion. The Fundie Muslims are a good example, as well. A bit cliche, and rather overblown, but still a good example.

...and the creamy filling in the middle says, "It all comes down to dualism vs nondualism", yummy double stuffed Tao Yings my Yang...haha

;-}

As I said, I think this world would have been better off had that Toba event been a little stronger and wiped out this species. The long delay between our Great Leap Forward and its Neanderthal equivalent would mean instead of inter-hominin brutality, it would be just ordinary natural brutality of eater and eaten. Warfare would not exist, except in the form of predator and prey and their eternal warfare. Lions would actually be the most common mammal worldwide.

LOL, eh?

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Once against Louisiana boldy marches into the past. And poverty.

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General_Rennenkampf @ 61:

Proud2bHumble @ 57:

♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:

Proud2bHumble @ 41:
A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).

Fools and plutocrap tools...divide and con-cur...keep the masses ignorant and distracted.

Indeed, Comrade, we must send these plutocratic fools to the Gulag. The glorious proletarian revolution awaits, the dialectic must triumph, and we must create a proletarian paradise!

deadpan humor.

I'd be dialectically proposed to that...

in a pantheistically bread kinda way

;-}

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General_Rennenkampf @ 60:

DMS @ 54:

Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:

When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? ....

Funny thing, I understand the Roman Catholic church isn't so big on this "creation science" nonsense.

Even funnier, people that consider Catholics both individually and collectively to be damned (ah, the lovely arrogant ignorance of Protestants, to criticize the origin of Western Christianity), were clustering around Jindal like vultures around a carcass. Jindal isn't a Catholic, I think he's serving a Protestant agenda.

If Jindal did convert to Catholicism, he obviously didn't know what he was getting into. I wonder if he knew how much hatred each faction of Christianity has for each other. Catholics think sunday is the sabbath. The Jewish say it's saturday. The Muslims say it's friday. Does this mean God has a three day weekend?( quoted from George Carlin)

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mudshark @ 66:

General_Rennenkampf @ 60:

DMS @ 54:

Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:

Funny thing, I understand the Roman Catholic church isn't so big on this "creation science" nonsense.

Even funnier, people that consider Catholics both individually and collectively to be damned (ah, the lovely arrogant ignorance of Protestants, to criticize the origin of Western Christianity), were clustering around Jindal like vultures around a carcass. Jindal isn't a Catholic, I think he's serving a Protestant agenda.

If Jindal did convert to Catholicism, he obviously didn't know what he was getting into. I wonder if he knew how much hatred each faction of Christianity has for each other. Catholics think sunday is the sabbath. The Jewish say it's saturday. The Muslims say it's friday. Does this mean God has a three day weekend?( quoted from George Carlin)

Nah, what it is is that different interpretations of the same damn set of stories created a massive clusterfuck. The history of the Abrahamic religions in one sentence, that.

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General_Rennenkampf @ 63:

As I said, I think this world would have been better off had that Toba event been a little stronger and wiped out this species. The long delay between our Great Leap Forward and its Neanderthal equivalent would mean instead of inter-hominin brutality, it would be just ordinary natural brutality of eater and eaten. Warfare would not exist, except in the form of predator and prey and their eternal warfare. Lions would actually be the most common mammal worldwide.

LOL, eh?

Well, when you ad inter-hominim attacks you naturally artificially raise the level of sentient suffering without any apparent redeeming value save prurient intensification of the me/other illusion that allows the games to continue to distract and perhaps instruct.

Oil is clean. Solar is dirty. Men lived during the time of dinosaurs. Viruses don't mutate. Paris Hilton is a world class thinker. Ronald Reagan was a Great President. Barney Rubble was real (he was the brains behind Fred). We are not spying on you if you are innocent, we are looking out for you. The United States does not torture. Frontal labotomies make you smarter. We belong dead.

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Sometimes when you think about it, birds seem to be superior to humans. Birds can fly, people can't, superior movement, reflex, sense of space, etc. Dogs, lions have better senses too, animals have better vision, panthers are faster than humans, some birds sing better, fishes are superior because can spend years, not seconds under the water and see what people can't (the view from a plane or Mont Everest must be nothing compared to what fishes see), their mating process is superior, pigeons do it differently than cats, penguins do it differently than horses, yet they do it anyway, and good for them. And animals tend to be braver than some humans, right Jindal?

Just look at the Iraqis for example. Terrorists acts on a daily basis yet they somehow manage to live with it and not whine about their lives and fates. Being protected by the American soldiers yet the terrorist attacks occur anyway and they seem to be as brave as hell compared to the right-wing base of the Republican party that is so scared of a single terrorist attack that will let launch possibly the third war to avoid what the Iraqis face everyday. Shouldn't we by any chance ask the Iraqi forces to come over to America to calm the McBush loving right-wing base? I'm sure if the Iraqis have guts to live with it, so will the right wingers. Better yet, how about the liberals do it for them, those ignorant, left-wing, gun hating cowards who hate the nation so much as Iraqi soldiers in disguise? Would we be strong enough to convince the gun owning right-wing chicken shits that it's not worth to act the way they do, because it's simply embarrassing and there are other ways to deal with it?

Jindal/McCain ticket, this would be interesting, a guy who can prove that ever since the Neanderthals have perished, profit, greed and careless treatment of the planet were not the only things that differentiated humans from animals (he may even cite a certain someone, an anomaly, God’s gift that occurred a few years ago, no, on second though, he can’t), making money, greed and careless treatment of the planet indeed was what humans have been doing differently than animals ever since, so having such a knowledgeable figure to explain why we went astray and what went wrong along the way together with McCain, wow, what a ticket. The right wing non-thinkers will love it.

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These Creationists always look like monkeys

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Proud2bHumble @ 68:

General_Rennenkampf @ 63:

As I said, I think this world would have been better off had that Toba event been a little stronger and wiped out this species. The long delay between our Great Leap Forward and its Neanderthal equivalent would mean instead of inter-hominin brutality, it would be just ordinary natural brutality of eater and eaten. Warfare would not exist, except in the form of predator and prey and their eternal warfare. Lions would actually be the most common mammal worldwide.

LOL, eh?

Well, when you ad inter-hominim attacks you naturally artificially raise the level of sentient suffering without any apparent redeeming value save prurient intensification of the me/other illusion that allows the games to continue to distract and perhaps instruct.

Heh, I think intelligence of the human sort was the worst thing evolution ever came up with. It's only brought death to other forms of life and the form of life that invented it in its wake.

And with that, I sign off. Guten Nochten.

fascism needs stoopid people to function properly.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 73:

fascism needs stoopid people to function properly.

That's just MORANIC!

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General_Rennenkampf @ 72:

Proud2bHumble @ 68:

General_Rennenkampf @ 63:

As I said, I think this world would have been better off had that Toba event been a little stronger and wiped out this species. The long delay between our Great Leap Forward and its Neanderthal equivalent would mean instead of inter-hominin brutality, it would be just ordinary natural brutality of eater and eaten. Warfare would not exist, except in the form of predator and prey and their eternal warfare. Lions would actually be the most common mammal worldwide.

LOL, eh?

Well, when you ad inter-hominim attacks you naturally artificially raise the level of sentient suffering without any apparent redeeming value save prurient intensification of the me/other illusion that allows the games to continue to distract and perhaps instruct.

Heh, I think intelligence of the human sort was the worst thing evolution ever came up with. It's only brought death to other forms of life and the form of life that invented it in its wake.

And with that, I sign off. Guten Nochten.

Thanks for the intelligent conversation Gen. I found your comments pretty damn smart.

I Like Pie @ 4:

Maybe I'm just not getting it; but, how in the hell does a Hindu get elected governor in a state that produces people like David Duke?

if it's a stoopid thing to elect david duKKKe, then what is so different about electing another asshole. look at nagin. if anyone has three faces, it's him. they are all alike down there. it's obviously cultural.

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General_Rennenkampf @ 72:

Heh, I think intelligence of the human sort was the worst thing evolution ever came up with. It's only brought death to other forms of life and the form of life that invented it in its wake.

And with that, I sign off. Guten Nochten.

You'll be baaahhhck...hasta la vista, baby ;-}

xoites defends Constitution @ 69:

Oil is clean. Solar is dirty. Men lived during the time of dinosaurs. Viruses don't mutate. Paris Hilton is a world class thinker. Ronald Reagan was a Great President. Barney Rubble was real (he was the brains behind Fred). We are not spying on you if you are innocent, we are looking out for you. The United States does not torture. Frontal labotomies make you smarter. We belong dead.

up is down.
republicans are looking out for you.
the sky is falling.

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Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 20:

.

Wait till they assault math!

They've already done that .... ever since Reagan and "trickle down economics" they've got so many people voting against their own best interest with their "fuzzy math", that they've darn near trickled down on all of us...

... and McCain thinks more tax cuts for the rich corporations are a great idea... question... if the big corporations don't pay their fair share, then who exactly do you think will be making up the difference? (yep, the middle class just like always...)

Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:

When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? Are the christian churchs harboring ignorance and intolerance? Come to think of it that is one of the reason I left the church. An unseemly amount of church attendees are just plain stupid. Glad I stopped going to church. It does tickle me that according to their belief that the world is only about 5,000 years old. And Moses must have been fighting not only the Egyptians but the dinosaurs. Also, Adam and Eve sired two boys that must have had sex with their mother to populate the world (well, until Cain killed Abel.) All of it requires a less than inquiring mind--however, they proudly call it "faith".

somewhere about the time the alchemists failed to make gold for the pope and the kings of europe. then the quest for everyone else's gold became imperative.

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Attila the Appeaser, No Stomach for Kristol @ 71:

These Creationists always look like monkeys

lol

...cuz they're such Cheetas...

;-}

Chris's picture

Truman @ 42:

can we tax the stupid?

Yes. It's called "the Lottery"

religion is about POWER, no more, no less.

dadams's picture

if the gop is determined to force us into
a backward society, why don't they just
crawl back up their mother's virginias
and save us all the trouble of stomping
their balls, so we can save prosperity
the embarrassment of intellect.

fun's picture

In a few years when some of those grads try to get jobs and companies find out where they're from, they'll say "Ah, no thanks. Come back with a real education and then we can talk"

David N's picture

ok class repeat after me ,
Onward christian soliders
Marching off to war .

dadams @ 84:

if the gop is determined to force us into
a backward society, why don't they just
crawl back up their mother's virginias
and save us all the trouble of stomping
their balls, so we can save prosperity
the embarrassment of intellect.

Virginias?

You got a problem with say Kentucy?

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MountainMan23 @ 5:

Historically, the laws of genetics were understood long after evolution and natural selection were accepted by the scientific community.

However, it's the laws of genetics - specifically hybridization and mutation - that drive evolution.

And every one of these "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" proponents accepts and uses the products that our knowledge of genetics give us.

Flu vaccines. Varieties of flowers, of pork, beef, etc. To name a few.

And many of these proponents of "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" have their own farms where they routinely use the principles of genetics.

They want to accept the benefits of the scientific knowledge but not its logical implications.

For to accept genetics is to accept evolution.

these people suffer from a lack of genetics,
inbreeding stops the bus and everyone of them
shuffle out of a closed door.

dadams's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 87:

dadams @ 84:

if the gop is determined to force us into
a backward society, why don't they just
crawl back up their mother's virginias
and save us all the trouble of stomping
their balls, so we can save prosperity
the embarrassment of intellect.

Virginias?

You got a problem with say Kentucy?

no, i just thought everyone came out the back door..........lol

Cal's picture

DMS @ 54:

Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:

When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? ....

Funny thing, I understand the Roman Catholic church isn't so big on this "creation science" nonsense.

I've heard the same thing.

Is Bobby the only one who doesn't know?

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dadams @ 89:

xoites defends Constitution @ 87:

dadams @ 84:

if the gop is determined to force us into
a backward society, why don't they just
crawl back up their mother's virginias
and save us all the trouble of stomping
their balls, so we can save prosperity
the embarrassment of intellect.

Virginias?

You got a problem with say Kentucy?

no, i just thought everyone came out the back door..........lol

spelling problem.........typing too fast....and i evidently have a lisp.

When did the lunatics take over the insans assylum? I think Reagan started it.

As you can see by my pst at 92, Dadams, i understand completely. :)

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it took a monster hurricane and a major GOP BUSH effort to get this bozo into office

trankhussein @ 94:

it took a monster hurricane and a major GOP BUSH effort to get this bozo into office

it was a rovian effort which involved the forced removal of almost 285,000 democrats from NOLa, turning the state and city over to the republican party. the people of Louisiana are as backward as the movies depict. I can say that with certainty.

Charles's picture

So I can convince a school board that the letter X should be removed from the alphabet, and they can force teachers to teach students two versions of the alphabet, both of which might be correct but we don't have enough evidence to know which one for certain.

Charles's picture

Does anyone remember the old SNL skit about high school dropouts explaining the Civil War? This is kind of like that.

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Saloum @ 58:

Why such outrage at Jindal??? Everyone's lord and savior, Mr. Obama is a gawd freak too. If you "believe" in a barefooted hippy in the sky guiding your life, you may as well support the teaching of this crap as well.

If you haven't been paying attention, the MSM won't let you play the game unless you are a church dweller. Whatever his spiritiual beliefs, Obama also believes in evolution, treatment with stem cells and global warming. Jindall believes his faith guides him in opposition to these things.

From a Hopey speech at a library:

And at a time when truth and science are constantly being challenged by political agendas and ideologies; a time where so many refuse to teach evolution in our schools, where fake science is used to beat back attempts to curb global warming or fund life-saving research; libraries remind us that truth isn't about who yells the loudest, but who has the right information. Because even as we're the most religious of people, America's innovative genius has always been preserved because we also have a deep faith in facts.

I kinda laugh at the fact part, cause I think Hopey is being overly charitable to a populace who has a segment who is portraying him as an elitist muslim.

dadams @ 84:

if the gop is determined to force us into
a backward society, why don't they just
crawl back up their mother's virginias
and save us all the trouble of stomping
their balls, so we can save prosperity
the embarrassment of intellect.

they have officially made this country a darwin award candidate.

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MountainMan23 @ 5:

Historically, the laws of genetics were understood long after evolution and natural selection were accepted by the scientific community.

However, it's the laws of genetics - specifically hybridization and mutation - that drive evolution.

And every one of these "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" proponents accepts and uses the products that our knowledge of genetics give us.

Flu vaccines. Varieties of flowers, of pork, beef, etc. To name a few.

And many of these proponents of "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" have their own farms where they routinely use the principles of genetics.

They want to accept the benefits of the scientific knowledge but not its logical implications.

For to accept genetics is to accept evolution.

Beyond even genetics, evolution is a real event that routinely occurrs in microbiology. Out understanding of resistant bacteria and viruses requires an understanding how these organisms evolve defences against antibiotics. Understanding this science has been critical for understanding HIV, resistant TB and the flesh eating Staph Aureus.

Unfortunately, the antievolution evangelists won't work hard enough to understand this.

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BUMP!

This occasion is just dying for this!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

particularly the part when he MUST have been talking about Jindal himself:

Do you ever notice the people that believe in creationism look really un-evolved?!

:)

Musk's picture

You know, I wish these religious types would have there little pageants and fantasies somewhere private,and way off the beaten path. I get so tired of trying to rearrange my world-view just accommodate all their rather gruesome fairy tales.

eric's picture

Two faced McCain says he believes in evolution but wants to have it both ways by saying 'the hand of god" was involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88l5ql_FQ

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Bobby Jindal got elected governor of Louisiana as a direct result of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Michael Chertoff and Donald Rumsfeld getting hundreds of people killed in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.

After New Orleans flooded, these criminal Repubicans withheld federal emergency disaster aid from helping the dying in New Orleans in an attempt to embarass then Louisiana governor, Kathleen Blanco, into giving over control of Louisiana and its national guard units to the Bush administration. Karl Rove launched an aggressive smear campaign against Gov. Blanco, a Democrat, and the mayor of New Orleans, Nagin, also a Democrat.

Hundreds of people died in New Orleans because of this Republican stunt involving withholding federal disaster relief as part of a blackmail plot, but these Bush administration officials also blocked attempts by anyone else trying to get into New Orleans to rescue people. One incident I remember involved Good Samaritan boaters, who rushed to New Orleans after it flooded, volunteering their help and their boats to rescue people from rooftops...they were turned away.

So, like all Republicans, Bobby Jindal has blood on his hands.

Cal's picture

eric @ 103:

Two faced McCain says he believes in evolution but wants to have it both ways by saying 'the hand of god" was involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88l5ql_FQ

Without watching the video yyou should know that many people believe that.

eric's picture

The Oracle @ 104:

Bobby Jindal got elected governor of Louisiana as a direct result of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Michael Chertoff and Donald Rumsfeld getting hundreds of people killed in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.

After New Orleans flooded, these criminal Repubicans withheld federal emergency disaster aid from helping the dying in New Orleans in an attempt to embarass then Louisiana governor, Kathleen Blanco, into giving over control of Louisiana and its national guard units to the Bush administration. Karl Rove launched an aggressive smear campaign against Gov. Blanco, a Democrat, and the mayor of New Orleans, Nagin, also a Democrat.

Hundreds of people died in New Orleans because of this Republican stunt involving withholding federal disaster relief as part of a blackmail plot, but these Bush administration officials also blocked attempts by anyone else trying to get into New Orleans to rescue people. One incident I remember involved Good Samaritan boaters, who rushed to New Orleans after it flooded, volunteering their help and their boats to rescue people from rooftops...they were turned away.

So, like all Republicans, Bobby Jindal has blood on his hands.

Don't forget when Walmart tried to deliver water and other supplies but was turned away by FEMA:

""Why did it happen? Who needs to be fired?" asked Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish, south of New Orleans.

Far from deferring to state or local officials, FEMA asserted its authority and made things worse, Mr. Broussard complained on "Meet the Press."

When Wal-Mart sent three trailer trucks loaded with water, FEMA officials turned them away, he said. Agency workers prevented the Coast Guard from delivering 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel, and on Saturday they cut the parish's emergency communications line, leading the sheriff to restore it and post armed guards to protect it from FEMA, Mr. Broussard said. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05blame.html?...

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

the guy is a friggin nutjob

he thinks he performed an excorsism while in college

im glad he is a rising star in the repug party

if mccain loses, look to him to be the front runner come 2012

anti science wack job....just what that party needs to finally be put in the grave once and for all

crshedd's picture

but, but, ....... he's hindu!!

crshedd's picture

well, at least his father was.

eric's picture

I'd love to hear Jindal answer questions in the Vice Presidential debates, such as "Do you believe that a snake can talk and have an intelligent conversation with you?" or 'do you keep kosher and follow the laws of the Torah (old testament)"?

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I Like Pie @ 4:

Maybe I'm just not getting it; but, how in the hell does a Hindu get elected governor in a state that produces people like David Duke?

He's no longer a Hindu. He's now a born-again loony-tune.

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I suppose, in perspective, "critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion" are exactly what's needed. For if they were the norm, would we have idiots like Jindal and his state as a blight on the nation?

Just Hussein Of It's picture

The text of the LSEA suggests that it’s intended to foster critical thinking, calling on the state Board of Education to “assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories.”

Critical thinking skills?!? I thought those were banned in this country, and I'm quite sure they never existed in Louisiana. So exactly who is going to teach the teachers to think critically, or even think? How do we expect children to learn these skills if none of the adults in the state have a clue what they are?

In a place where there were competent, intelligent, critically thinking adults, this would have been a great bill. Because then you can critically compare evolution and intelligent design and show why one is called science and the other is loony shit made up by far reich wing bible thumpers. The danger of teaching such skills to young people is they could, on their own, apply critical thinking skills to religion. They would quickly see that it's nothing more than a money making scheme based on old fairy tales. They may even apply such skills to the concept of what Americans call democracy, "open market" capitalism and rampant consumerism. Before you know it, those kids may stop watching TV because it's just so mindless.

No, no, no. That is just way to dangerous to teach children to think for themselves. I think the supreme court needs to put a stop to this before it gets out of hand.

Tagg's picture

These guys are dumber than a bag of hammers. They don't get it...they're never gonna get it. They're still going to follow the well-thumbed Karl Rove playbook which is so out of date they might as well be using "How to win friends and influence people" for their campaign planning.

jnratliff's picture

republican = insanity!

harley's picture

Another rapture monkey.

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at this point it would behoove the dems to gather as much dirt on this guy, not necessarily dirt but perhaps just his voting record and what impact that has, and in the event that he is selected as the old codger's running mate, ensure that the material that is uncovered is put into radio and tv ads in the form of sound bytes that even middle america can understand. fight them where they live.

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Kibitzer 2006 @ 13:

Oh God, Please, Please make John McCain pick Bobby Jindal as his running mate. Then we could spend the fall talking about exorcisms, Adam and Eve being eaten by dinosaurs (how did they die anyway?), and how facts have a liberal bias. If God makes this happen it will be proof enough for me of intelligent design :).

--Kibitzer

you would think this would be enough to dissuade even the least discerning voters from voting a republican ticket. personally i think it will have the opposite effect. that's where middle america lives and that's what they believe. I guess now we have to lump the south in there as well. the good folk of louisiana after all did vote him into office. a good look at why they did that is definitely in order. why??? as a republican, don't they know that he was part of the machinery that caused the catastrophe in new orleans. or am i being naive. as Monk's theme song says, "I could be wrong, but I don't think so."

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Numinous @ 10:

bart @ 7:

If you do not believe in science, you should not be allowed to go to a hospital. you should go to church and jesus can heal you.

I agree with you. Being stupid should have a price to pay.

One benefit will be that it would definitely help clean up the gene pool.

Being stupid is a plus on any republican resume. Thank god their room full of idiots is emptying fast. These dinosaurs are going extinct, and they don't even realize it! LMAO!

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Just Hussein Of It @ 113:

The text of the LSEA suggests that it’s intended to foster critical thinking, calling on the state Board of Education to “assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories.”

Critical thinking skills?!? I thought those were banned in this country, and I'm quite sure they never existed in Louisiana. So exactly who is going to teach the teachers to think critically, or even think? How do we expect children to learn these skills if none of the adults in the state have a clue what they are?

In a place where there were competent, intelligent, critically thinking adults, this would have been a great bill. Because then you can critically compare evolution and intelligent design and show why one is called science and the other is loony shit made up by far reich wing bible thumpers. The danger of teaching such skills to young people is they could, on their own, apply critical thinking skills to religion. They would quickly see that it's nothing more than a money making scheme based on old fairy tales. They may even apply such skills to the concept of what Americans call democracy, "open market" capitalism and rampant consumerism. Before you know it, those kids may stop watching TV because it's just so mindless.

No, no, no. That is just way to dangerous to teach children to think for themselves. I think the supreme court needs to put a stop to this before it gets out of hand.

You hit the very heart of the problem. This is why we're so behind in education compared to other nations. We're teaching to tests and not teaching to think; students do not get opposing views, are presented with watered down material (if it is not inaccurate) and are not taught logic.

I'm seeing some of this begin to wash up to the colleges. Incoming students do not have the skills necessary and so programs are adjusted accordingly. We were very disappointed in the quality of education our daughter received during her first year of college at a school that was rated well. We paid tuition yet ended up teaching her ourselves with supplemental materials and better curriculum. She said she learned more from us.

I hate to see where this nation will be in another 20 years.

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Just Hussein Of It @ 113:

The text of the LSEA suggests that it’s intended to foster critical thinking, calling on the state Board of Education to “assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories.”

Critical thinking skills?!? I thought those were banned in this country, and I'm quite sure they never existed in Louisiana. So exactly who is going to teach the teachers to think critically, or even think? How do we expect children to learn these skills if none of the adults in the state have a clue what they are?

In a place where there were competent, intelligent, critically thinking adults, this would have been a great bill. Because then you can critically compare evolution and intelligent design and show why one is called science and the other is loony shit made up by far reich wing bible thumpers. The danger of teaching such skills to young people is they could, on their own, apply critical thinking skills to religion. They would quickly see that it's nothing more than a money making scheme based on old fairy tales. They may even apply such skills to the concept of what Americans call democracy, "open market" capitalism and rampant consumerism. Before you know it, those kids may stop watching TV because it's just so mindless.

No, no, no. That is just way to dangerous to teach children to think for themselves. I think the supreme court needs to put a stop to this before it gets out of hand.

Hey, I'm from Louisiana, and I can think-Ooh, look at that shiny thing!

/snark.

I really am from Louisiana, though.

bilhelm-X's picture

More liars. I liked the comment the other day that said all Christians are liars, no exceptions. An anti-evolution bill kind of proves the point! Get ready Spain..

timr's picture

and in 20 years when those who are now students that will be unable to get into college due to their ignorance( except maybe bob jones or liberty U) and will be unable to get any high tech job due their educational deficiencies, and when all high tech jobs leave La for good due to lack of an educated workforce, then who will be to blame? Organized religion, which works best when its congregation is scientifically illiterate?  Should we blame the state, whose panders to the religious right made the problem? Or do we go right to the source and blame the parents, undereducated, scientifically illiterate, religiously and politically indoctrinated, indifferent voters. Sheeple.

bubba's picture

Jindal is a liar and a fool.

Check out the interview with the founder of the modern ID movement, Philip Johnson, over at Berkeley Science Review. He admits that ID doesnt have a scientific theory yet and that they can't compete with evolution in the educational marketplace until they get one. BUt the cracker christians can't live with that and are trying to push ID all over the country. The Discovery Institute wouldnt even back their efforts in Dover as it was clearly a ham fisted holy-roller affair.

Jindal likely knows all this but lies for the sheer pleasure of it.

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MountainMan23 @ 5:

Historically, the laws of genetics were understood long after evolution and natural selection were accepted by the scientific community.

However, it's the laws of genetics - specifically hybridization and mutation - that drive evolution.

And every one of these "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" proponents accepts and uses the products that our knowledge of genetics give us.

Flu vaccines. Varieties of flowers, of pork, beef, etc. To name a few.

And many of these proponents of "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" have their own farms where they routinely use the principles of genetics.

They want to accept the benefits of the scientific knowledge but not its logical implications.

For to accept genetics is to accept evolution.

Well said. They reject science whenever it conflicts with their religious views. Funny, I don't see them rejecting evolution when they support the development of GMO's and demand poor countries eat them or get no food aid.

Or chemistry when they cheer on Bush as he drops smart bombs on Iraqi kids using ammonium-nitrate explosive warheads.

As for evolution...I quote Jack Nicholson who once said, "You can't handle the truth".

LoufromLa's picture

Truly resent the comments all assailing the 'good' people of LA- a familiar and favorite, it seems, MF'ers sounding board towards spitting angst against America's overall stupidity in allowing so many legislated atrocities. We're guilty EVERYWHERE, please realize- look around you, you'll find it collectively....!!!

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CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 95:

trankhussein @ 94:

it took a monster hurricane and a major GOP BUSH effort to get this bozo into office

it was a rovian effort which involved the forced removal of almost 285,000 democrats from NOLa, turning the state and city over to the republican party. the people of Louisiana are as backward as the movies depict. I can say that with certainty.

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LoufromLa @ 127:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 95:

trankhussein @ 94:

it took a monster hurricane and a major GOP BUSH effort to get this bozo into office

it was a rovian effort which involved the forced removal of almost 285,000 democrats from NOLa, turning the state and city over to the republican party. the people of Louisiana are as backward as the movies depict. I can say that with certainty.

Who the F### you fancy YOU are (with certainty {smirk}) ??! You've ascertained certainty and confused

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace's picture

SCOREBOARD:

Science 294,587
Religion/Creationism/Intelligent Design 00

I guess these nutjobs will never give up?

NoGWBpolicyleftinplace's picture

Man, there's a whole lotta stupid goin' on out there.

marco's picture

nobody in particular @ 2:

Hey, I think Jindal would be a great fit for Mccain. the people of Louisiana just love him

LAMO

If you follow the link at the end of #2 blog you'll find that the some of the people of LA want to recall Jindal b/c he hasn't vetoed a bill that doubles the salaries of the state's legislators. BTW, each legislator currently gets ~$16K/year!!! Must be the water or something - them folks is nutz!

Spaghetti Monster's picture

Religion and creationism is the symptoms of chosen self induced stupidity and the refusal to accept PROVEN scientific laws of nature… in the name of a god based on “biblical” folklore with absolutely NO evidence to substantiate it… that’s called borderline delusion.

The stupidity overflows into their reaction to terminal illness when they “in fact” totally ignore THEIR beliefs… that it was THEIR god who gave it to them in the first place. Amazing how they run to the doctors to overturn their “gods will”.

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