Possible McCain VP Pick Signs Anti-Evolution Bill Into Louisiana Law
By Logan Murphy Friday Jun 27, 2008 7:45pmAs we noted last month, a number of states have been considering laws that, under the guise of "academic freedom," single out evolution for special criticism. Most of them haven't made it out of the state legislatures, and one that did was promptly vetoed. But the last of these bills under consideration, the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), was enacted by the signature of Governor Bobby Jindal yesterday. The bill would allow local school boards to approve supplemental classroom materials specifically for the critique of scientific theories, allowing poorly-informed board members to stick their communities with Dover-sized legal fees.
The text of the LSEA suggests that it's intended to foster critical thinking, calling on the state Board of Education to "assist teachers, principals, and other school administrators to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories." Unfortunately, it's remarkably selective in its suggestion of topics that need critical thinking, as it cites scientific subjects "including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning."
The bill has been opposed by every scientific society that has voiced a position on it, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science. AAAS CEO Alan Leshner warned that the bill would "unleash an assault against scientific integrity, leaving students confused about science and unprepared to excel in a modern workforce." Read on...
Jindal is definitely vying for the far right base of the GOP and this move will score big points for him. The rabid right-wing base of the party can't stand McCain, so Jindal might prove to be a good fit for them. As The Huffington Post reports, Jindal has joined the GOP's bold march backwards.

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I'd pull my kids out of any school that went along with that SO FAST - heads would spin.
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Hey, I think Jindal would be a great fit for Mccain. the people of Louisiana just love him
LAMO
Ahh, Gov. Jindal. Makes me glad to live in Illinois.
By the way, if you think Obama moving to the center is a bad thing, listen to this.
Maybe I'm just not getting it; but, how in the hell does a Hindu get elected governor in a state that produces people like David Duke?
Historically, the laws of genetics were understood long after evolution and natural selection were accepted by the scientific community.
However, it's the laws of genetics - specifically hybridization and mutation - that drive evolution.
And every one of these "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" proponents accepts and uses the products that our knowledge of genetics give us.
Flu vaccines. Varieties of flowers, of pork, beef, etc. To name a few.
And many of these proponents of "Intelligent Design" or "Creationism" have their own farms where they routinely use the principles of genetics.
They want to accept the benefits of the scientific knowledge but not its logical implications.
For to accept genetics is to accept evolution.
It would be a gift to the Dems if McCain picked this fool. I mean nothing says "Republican dumb" quite like an idiot from the 10th century. Talk about dumb and dumber.
If you do not believe in science, you should not be allowed to go to a hospital. you should go to church and jesus can heal you.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the next next President of the United States, from the great state of Lose-ianna, Booby Ginned-Up!" Another reichwing exorcise in pander petting...
...just realize gooperacists, if elected, this freak's gonna be preznit by 2010...cuz McAl Simers McAin'tgonnalasttoolong...
Marc @ 9:
(In reference to comment #3)
bart @ 7:
I agree with you. Being stupid should have a price to pay.
One benefit will be that it would definitely help clean up the gene pool.
Why do I get adverts for the sun newspaper when I log in to my left of centre friends from the USA?
Do you have no shame?
Why did people vote for this guy? Are they that stupid? I find it so hard to believe that some people have no intelligence, or at least, try to learn. These people are hopeless.
Oh God, Please, Please make John McCain pick Bobby Jindal as his running mate. Then we could spend the fall talking about exorcisms, Adam and Eve being eaten by dinosaurs (how did they die anyway?), and how facts have a liberal bias. If God makes this happen it will be proof enough for me of intelligent design :).
--Kibitzer
he won't pick jindal
Numinous @ 10:
We can only hope...cuz there's a whole lotta BoobyJ's floatin round in there, and they ain't no Baby Ruths...
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The reps in La. played with Jindal.
The gave themselves a huge pay increase to offfset corruption reform and the Speaker told Jindal if he vetoed it, he will never get his reform passed.
Jindal caved and the reps in La. hope McCrazy makes him VP to get rid of him.
Politics as usual in La.
RAMEN
RAMEN
RAMEN
FSM...We beseech thee!!!
Erupt beer on these crazy people!!!
Most of the people that are against evolution are just jealous against people that have actually evolved. Those poor poor knuckle draggers.
Let the all go to hell except cave 76.
"Dover-sized legal fees" (as a clickable) really ought to be a link to something that actually specifies the amount Dover paid in legal fees, no? I'd be interested to know the amount.
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Wait till they assault math!
I mean, can these advocates for Religion in "PUBLIC" funded education even prove their "GOD"?
QUESTION:
What will they say when we find out that GOD allowed nature to take it's course?
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Proud2bHumble @ 15:
Thanks P2b, I needed that. LOL.
This Jindal dude is no good. What a lightweight. We will accept this cat to be a "heartbeat away"? Right, LOL!
Pick him for Veep, McBu'ush, please do, by all means.
numfar @ 17:
Yes! Yes! The Noodly One will touch all those small-town school board members with His Noodly Appendage!
It's just as logical to study the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and this dogma was developed as a response to the Kansas Board of Education pulled the same lame stunt.
I Like Pie @ 4:
He's a christian and he even performs exorcisms. THAT'll be an interesting sell at the national level . . . .
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HEY! I Like Pie...Jindal converted to catholicism.
"Show me on the doll where science touched you."
karl @ 14:
No - I agree with you -- unfortunately. Everything about the guy just screams "bat-shit crazy" -- I'm amazed that he was elected to anything.
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Seriously, I have to agree with those who say it's extremely doubtful McSame would pick Jindal. The GOP is just floating his name out there to give the impression they're "broad-minded" enough to consider someone who isn't white and Protestant.
As much as I am repulsed by the actions and words of Jindal on teaching "controversies" in the Biology curriculum, Barack has also said that evolution alone does not answer all of the questions or words to that effect.
Still, to my knowledge, Barack has never signed any legislation that would allow creationism/intelligent design to be taught in science as has Jindal.
However that is cold comfort to me.
marykmusic @ 23:
I demand equal time for the Flying Teapot and the Pink Unicorn.
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He's Rev. Hagee with a tan.
This has the Discovery Institute written all over it.
To have this Governor and the State of LA a part of the country I live in, is an emabarassment.
baby jesus, please weigh in.
I Like Pie @ 4:
Because he has converted to Christianity, and gone to the extreme right! I am ashamed that he is of Indian origin like me and is doing what he is doing.
America in the 21st century... Galloping towards the dark ages.
I know one girl from Louisiana. College graduate, business school. Very smart girl.
She doesn't see anything wrong with this bill, and she's not even majorly religious.
moniker@31, LOL. Did you notice how little press our friend Norquist received from MSM? I'm mean you would think they were in cohoots with the Repugs!
Would the Catholic who's advertising for the Protestant Fundies please get the Hell out of the Governor's Mansion, please?
We're trying to recall Jindal, and the bastard's gonna turn Louisiana to shit even worse than his predecessors have.
Should have voted for Boasso, dammit, I really should have voted for Boasso. When the Evangelicals got all hot'n'bothered about a man from a denomination they consider the church of satan, something was up.
Anyone who wants to argue for Creationism where mankind is concerned (since they seem to accept all other animals evolved), please answer the following questions from a Creationist perspective with a reason beyond "It was the will of God:"
1) Why do all non-Africans share one common Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial lineage, and all other lineages are all located in Africa? Considering the Jewish tradition is Middle Eastern, its place of origin is understandable. Not, however, in accordance with evidence showing that all non-Africans from Fuegians to Inuit, from Maori to Evenk, from Cape York Aborigine to Basque share a common genetic lineage starting with haplogroup M, and only Africans share other lineages.
2) Explain why human anatomy shares many vestigial traces associated with a tree-dwelling lifestyle, and why human biology is best adapted to a savannah scavenger lifestyle instead of a Middle Eastern desert and riverbed environment like a Creationist human race would be adapted to. Specifically explain why the appendix, the remnant of the cecum, has been allowed to deteriorate to the point that the only thing it does is possibly kill you. Also, explain why human eyes face forward close together in a field of vision associated with other primates, and adapted to see snakes and other predators closer. Finally, explain the purposes of palms sweating other than as a vestige of those tree-dwelling days.
3) Explain why modern human bones appear suddenly, and why archaic humans retain archaic traits even in youth. Explain why Neanderthals had a form of religion clearly not Yahwist in origin. Explain why Yahweh would favor a smaller, lighter form of humanity as opposed to the stronger, and hence able to subdue the Earth easier lineage of the Neanderthals. Humans are a relatively gracile, weak species with light bones. Were Yahweh interested in subduing the Earth, presumably the more powerful Neanderthals who could lift a ton with ease would have been used instead. Next, explain why humans lack the browridge of every other primate, when such a thing presumably would have been more intelligently designed for us. No need for sunglasses, the boney growth on our heads would suffice instead. Next, explain how it is that no hominin bones are found before Erectus outside of Africa, and why Neanderthals were the beasts that inhabited Israel for the longest time of anywhere out of Iberia.
4) Next, explain the distribution of animals across the Laurasia-Gondwanaland axis, with certain species more common elsewhere than where they presumably would have been placed to be fruitful and multiply. In particular, explain how bison could have moved across the Atlantic to North America. Were bison secretly champion swimmers? Also, explain how the sloth could have, in 6,000 years reached the Amazon rainforest from the Middle East. Explain as well why things like camels and nutria and kudzu were not present in parts of their present-day ranges before they were introduced. Nutria perform so well in a Southern environment, they're a nuisance. Explain why the camel, perfectly adapted to the Australian outback, had to be introduced in by Bedouin in the days of the British Empire, instead of being placed in a suitable range. Also, explain why such an explosively-adapted plant like kudzu is all over the South. Since God said 'Be fruitful and multiply', presumably these species would have been in places that they could have been most fruitful and multiplicious. Explain also why horses evolved in North America, and then went extinct so that Europeans had to reintroduce them. WTF? Did God hate Indians or something?
5) Last, explain why the race chosen to bear the image of God is in the ass end of the galaxy, in a minor part of a local supercluster in a vast and unforgiving universe. Wouldn't God have placed His image in the direct center of the universe, and wouldn't geocentrism make more sense from that perspective? The evidence now says so strongly that even most creationists are not geocentrists, and hate the ones who are. Please explain why geocentrism wouldn't work from a creationist perspective.
Answers to those questions beyond "Goddidit" would be appreciated.
mudshark @ 21:
Just chummin' the waters for ya muddy ;-}
Idiot Christians, lining up their idiot kids to be drones for the rest of their lives.
“We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn’t been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake.” — Catherine Fahringer
ABB @ 33:
Actually, he got elected because he promised to do this - put "creationism" in the classes!
moniker @ 31:
lol
Tsiuqron Revorg, is that u?
can we tax the stupid?
Proud2bHumble @ 41:
A fool by any other name is still a fool.
Norquist, hagee, jindal, robertson, and all the other delusionist (I know that's not a real word, but it fits here.).
Oh, yes, and two more challenges for the YECs:
6) Why would Yahweh make His chosen people such a minor people? The Kingdom of Israel of David and Solomon does not exist, archaeologically. Yahweh also instilled the ancestors of today's Iraqis and Iranians as the greatest empires of their day. The Sumerians, Assyrians, and Babylonians were all far more advanced than the Israelites. The Achaemenid Iranians outweighed the rest of the planet in their era far worse than the Cold War superpowers did. They were the greatest state in existence at that time, not just in Eurasia, but globally. Achaemenid Iran was, for the time, far more powerful than the US is today. Why did Yahweh not make His chosen people as great as the Achaemenids, and instead place them not just in a trading and invasion path, but also in the one spot with no oil? Yahweh seems to be a pretty poor planner, there.
7) Explain why isolated tribal peoples like the Australians and the San hunter-gatherers and the Fuegians and the Plains tribesmen of North America did not have a recognizably Yahwist monotheism. 6,000 years is a short time indeed for religious divergence, and one would presume that peoples that spent that amount of time in isolation could preserve some trace of Yahweh's worship.
I think this election is been already decided , BO will be pres.., and I doubt GOP want some one from there side to hold this messy "BAG".
They are just getting the populous to get involved as if this is going to be tight race.
As far policy decisions are concerned there is hardly going to be difference btwn 2 party.
♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 39:
I don't think the barbarians that overtook Rome especially cared about preserving European minds, nor did the prevailing currents of the time in Western Europe. The Eastern Roman Empire's a different story, but in the West, a nonChristian Europe would have been set even further back, particularly if some gnostic sect took over, what with their ideas that with matter itself as evil, no knowledge beyond the sacred knowledge of the cult was important. Christianity did much to fuck up the West, but it could have been a lot worse. We might by 3,500 years behind, instead of only 1,500. The treatment of Socrates and Aristarchus is a pretty clear indication that pagan cultures were hardly more advanced than their Christian successors. After all, Aristarchus invented heliocentrism, and his ideas were rejected because they dared state that the Sun was not driven in the sky by Helios. It took until Copernicus for that idea to resurface, and it took roughly 1,773 years for Heliocentrism to resurface, and another 150 to accept it. Don't presume that pagan cultures would have been any more tolerant than their Christian equivalents. It never resurfaced in the era of the Roman Empire, and Ptolemy was the one chosen in that era.
General_Rennenkampf @ 46:
All right, General, but what you just said supports Christopher Hitchens's point: "Religion poisons everything".
♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:
I could add a lot more to that list from other religions. A certain Baruch Goldstein comes to mind, as does the entire Hinduvta movement, and the Japanese right that still views Akihito as a living God. More than just Christianity can be perverted in the guise of religion. The Fundie Muslims are a good example, as well. A bit cliche, and rather overblown, but still a good example.
DMS @ 47:
Christopher Hitchens is an Iraq-supporting asshole. I care little for what he says. This world isn't ideal or perfect, and it could be better, but there's all sorts of ways it could have been a helluva lot worse. For instance, a magical Nazi victory (magic would be required, as once the Nazis declared war on us in addition to the Soviets and the English, they were doomed), would create a much more toxic atmosphere than the Soviet one did, and all things considered, the USSR did much to destroy Russian, much less Eastern European and Mongolian culture. I'm not much of an optimist. I've read too much history to be one.
This occasion is just dying for this!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk
particularly the part when he MUST have been talking about Jindal himself:
Do you ever notice the people that believe in creationism look really un-evolved?!
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When did it change that to be a christian one became anti-science? Are the christian churchs harboring ignorance and intolerance? Come to think of it that is one of the reason I left the church. An unseemly amount of church attendees are just plain stupid. Glad I stopped going to church. It does tickle me that according to their belief that the world is only about 5,000 years old. And Moses must have been fighting not only the Egyptians but the dinosaurs. Also, Adam and Eve sired two boys that must have had sex with their mother to populate the world (well, until Cain killed Abel.) All of it requires a less than inquiring mind--however, they proudly call it "faith".
General_Rennenkampf @ 49:
Christopher Hitchens is an Iraq-supporting asshole. I care little for what he says. This world isn't ideal or perfect, and it could be better, but there's all sorts of ways it could have been a helluva lot worse. For instance, a magical Nazi victory (magic would be required, as once the Nazis declared war on us in addition to the Soviets and the English, they were doomed), would create a much more toxic atmosphere than the Soviet one did, and all things considered, the USSR did much to destroy Russian, much less Eastern European and Mongolian culture. I'm not much of an optimist. I've read too much history to be one.
Yes, he's an asshole. Yes, he supported the invasion of Iraq. But that doesn't mean Hitchens can't be right about religion. He *is* right about religion, IMO.
Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:
Much of what you said applies to people in general. I'm sure the average Hindu can be just as stupid as the average Southern Baptist, or the average Pentecostal can be as absolutely batshit insane as the average Communist in the post-1991 era (I'm talking "All-power-to-the-Soviets"-style Bolshevism when I refer to Communism). People are dumb, dangerous, panicky savannah apes. It sucks. Sometimes I wish the whole period about prior to 50,000 years ago had worked the way it was supposed to so that Neanderthals had survived instead.
Impeach cheney and bush @ 51:
Funny thing, I understand the Roman Catholic church isn't so big on this "creation science" nonsense.
So is an Exorcism Teaching bill next on the list for Jindal to sign?
And how soon can we expect the Dem congress and pres. candidate to join in? You know, to "move to the center".
DMS @ 52:
Yes, he's an asshole. Yes, he supported the invasion of Iraq. But that doesn't mean Hitchens can't be right about religion. He *is* right about religion, IMO.
He very well is, in an era of ICBMs and when a bunch of people motivated by a fanatical faith can easily bomb an abortion clinic and spread their hate on the Internet, or send airplanes into buildings, or send poison gas into a subway system, religion by its very nature is toxic and needs to be kept out of politics and preferably out of other people's lives. That goes for neopaganism and Shinto and Alawism as much as Christianity and Islam.
♠Bangkok Bob♥ @ 43:
Fools and plutocrap tools...divide and con-cur...keep the masses ignorant and distracted.
Why such outrage at Jindal??? Everyone's lord and savior, Mr. Obama is a gawd freak too. If you "believe" in a barefooted hippy in the sky guiding your life, you may as well support the teaching of this crap as well.
JoeMarasmus @ 3:
Move to the center? On FISA, he moved to the far right. Take a look at the polls:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ACLU_poll_Majority_opposes_telecom_immunit...
DMS @ 54:
Even funnier, people that consider Catholics both individually and collectively to be damned (ah, the lovely arrogant ignorance of Protestants, to criticize the origin of Western Christianity), were clustering around Jindal like vultures around a carcass. Jindal isn't a Catholic, I think he's serving a Protestant agenda.
Proud2bHumble @ 57:
Indeed, Comrade, we must send these plutocratic fools to the Gulag. The glorious proletarian revolution awaits, the dialectic must triumph, and we must create a proletarian paradise!
deadpan humor.General_Rennenkampf @ 48:
...and the creamy filling in the middle says, "It all comes down to dualism vs nondualism", yummy double stuffed Tao Yings my Yang...haha
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Proud2bHumble @ 62:
As I said, I think this world would have been better off had that Toba event been a little stronger and wiped out this species. The long delay between our Great Leap Forward and its Neanderthal equivalent would mean instead of inter-hominin brutality, it would be just ordinary natural brutality of eater and eaten. Warfare would not exist, except in the form of predator and prey and their eternal warfare. Lions would actually be the most common mammal worldwide.
LOL, eh?
Once against Louisiana boldy marches into the past. And poverty.
General_Rennenkampf @ 61:
I'd be dialectically proposed to that...
in a pantheistically bread kinda way;-}
General_Rennenkampf @ 60:
If Jindal did convert to Catholicism, he obviously didn't know what he was getting into. I wonder if he knew how much hatred each faction of Christianity has for each other. Catholics think sunday is the sabbath. The Jewish say it's saturday. The Muslims say it's friday. Does this mean God has a three day weekend?( quoted from George Carlin)
mudshark @ 66:
Nah, what it is is that different interpretations of the same damn set of stories created a massive clusterfuck. The history of the Abrahamic religions in one sentence, that.
General_Rennenkampf @ 63:
Well, when you ad inter-hominim attacks you naturally artificially raise the level of sentient suffering without any apparent redeeming value save prurient intensification of the me/other illusion that allows the games to continue to distract and perhaps instruct.
Oil is clean. Solar is dirty. Men lived during the time of dinosaurs. Viruses don't mutate. Paris Hilton is a world class thinker. Ronald Reagan was a Great President. Barney Rubble was real (he was the brains behind Fred). We are not spying on you if you are innocent, we are looking out for you. The United States does not torture. Frontal labotomies make you smarter. We belong dead.
Sometimes when you think about it, birds seem to be superior to humans. Birds can fly, people can't, superior movement, reflex, sense of space, etc. Dogs, lions have better senses too, animals have better vision, panthers are faster than humans, some birds sing better, fishes are superior because can spend years, not seconds under the water and see what people can't (the view from a plane or Mont Everest must be nothing compared to what fishes see), their mating process is superior, pigeons do it differently than cats, penguins do it differently than horses, yet they do it anyway, and good for them. And animals tend to be braver than some humans, right Jindal?
Just look at the Iraqis for example. Terrorists acts on a daily basis yet they somehow manage to live with it and not whine about their lives and fates. Being protected by the American soldiers yet the terrorist attacks occur anyway and they seem to be as brave as hell compared to the right-wing base of the Republican party that is so scared of a single terrorist attack that will let launch possibly the third war to avoid what the Iraqis face everyday. Shouldn't we by any chance ask the Iraqi forces to come over to America to calm the McBush loving right-wing base? I'm sure if the Iraqis have guts to live with it, so will the right wingers. Better yet, how about the liberals do it for them, those ignorant, left-wing, gun hating cowards who hate the nation so much as Iraqi soldiers in disguise? Would we be strong enough to convince the gun owning right-wing chicken shits that it's not worth to act the way they do, because it's simply embarrassing and there are other ways to deal with it?
Jindal/McCain ticket, this would be interesting, a guy who can prove that ever since the Neanderthals have perished, profit, greed and careless treatment of the planet were not the only things that differentiated humans from animals (he may even cite a certain someone, an anomaly, God’s gift that occurred a few years ago, no, on second though, he can’t), making money, greed and careless treatment of the planet indeed was what humans have been doing differently than animals ever since, so having such a knowledgeable figure to explain why we went astray and what went wrong along the way together with McCain, wow, what a ticket. The right wing non-thinkers will love it.
These Creationists always look like monkeys
Proud2bHumble @ 68:
Heh, I think intelligence of the human sort was the worst thing evolution ever came up with. It's only brought death to other forms of life and the form of life that invented it in its wake.
And with that, I sign off. Guten Nochten.
fascism needs stoopid people to function properly.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 73:
That's just MORANIC!
General_Rennenkampf @ 72:
Thanks for the intelligent conversation Gen. I found your comments pretty damn smart.
I Like Pie @ 4:
if it's a stoopid thing to elect david d