Face The Nation: Lieberman Says Obama's Plan For Iraq Would Give Iran and Al Qaeda Control
By Nicole Belle Saturday Jun 28, 2008 3:00pm
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McSame's BFF Sen. Joe Lieberman appeared on Face The Nation to talk up McCain and his plan for Iraq, using those same old tired Republican talking points, which as we all know, are less than factually-based:
SCHIEFFER: That of course begs the question if he's ready to be president. Do you believe that Barack Obama is not ready to be president?
LIEBERMAN: Let me put it affirmatively, which is what I really mean, because ultimately, we rarely make a choice between perfect and terrible. John McCain is more ready to be President, on foreign and domestic policy, because of his extraordinary experience. And it's good experience. It's experience where he's had the guts to do what's right for his country, including in Iraq, where he opposed the administration's policy for a long time. The surge was implemented by President Bush, it's now working. Senator Obama, unfortunately, like a lot of the Democratic leadership, continues to take a position that we ought to withdraw, which to me is "retreat, accept defeat" even though the new policy is working. I hope that Barack Obama goes to Iraq and frankly, I hope he changes his position, because if we had done what Senator Obama asked us to do for the last couple of years, today, Iran and al Qaeda would be in control of Iraq. It would be a terrible defeat for us and our allies in the Middle East and throughout the world. Instead, we have a country that's defending itself, that's growing economically, where there's been genuine political reconciliation and where Iran and al Qaeda are on the run. And that's the way it ought to be.
SCHIEFFER: You're saying if we had done a drawdown, as Senator Obama had suggested, that Iran would now be in control of Iraq?
LIEBERMAN: Yeah, and here's what I mean: And it's not just Sen. Obama, it's generally the leadership of the Democratic Party. On this issue, I respectfully but deeply disagreed. Because, they were saying a year ago, two years ago, Iraq was lost. They were saying...they were proposing amendments that would have ordered our withdrawal, a retreat of our forces, to begin and end rather rapidly. If that had happened, in Iraq today, there wouldn't be an Iraqi government, there'd be chaos, there'd probably be genocide, definitely civil war. And the main beneficiaries of that would be Iran and al Qaeda. Instead, al Qaeda is on the run, and on the verge of a terrible defeat, one of our most significant victories over them since 9/11, maybe the most significant. Iran is being pushed back. And just a couple of weeks ago, Prime Minister Maliki of Iraq went to Tehran and Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Leader Khamenei pleaded with Maliki, "don't enter into a long term strategic agreement with America," and he said, "sorry, folks, I want to have good neighborly relations with you, but the Americans are our friends. We appreciate what they've done for us and we're sticking with them."
You know what they say, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. But I have to hold up this lovely little soundbyte as the MOST egregious:
(The Democratic leadership in Congress) were proposing amendments that would have ordered our withdrawal, a retreat of our forces, to begin and end rather rapidly. If that had happened, in Iraq today, there wouldn't be an Iraqi government, there'd be chaos, there'd probably be genocide, definitely civil war
Reality to Lieberman: There IS chaos, there IS genocide and what the hell do you think the combat is but a civil war?
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The first question is:
Why should anyone listen to him?
LIEbermann is breaking out the 2003 GOPig talking points.
What a STUPID STUPID IDIOT LIEbermann has become
LIEberman is just another reichwingneocon piece of shit.
he wants a war with iran, so send him there and let
him fend for himself. he is totally unAmerican.
The fact that Iran and al Quaeda have been given huge boosts in prestige, popularity and control by our atrocities in the Middle East has totally escaped L'mn's attention. That's typical of one issue pols.
Obama's move to the center isn't as bad as we think. Hopefully, it will keep LIEberman and the rest of them down and out.
What is he smoking? What does he call what's going on in Iraq now? Iraq has been in a civil war, which we helped create, for several years now. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, wounded and displaced. And it's our presence that's helping fuel the civil war.
There is no legitimate Iraqi government. There's the government we installed. And the Dawa Party, the Maliki government, we installed has close ties to Iran. Iran is benefiting because we invaded Iraq and installed the Maliki government. We removed Iran's nemesis for them and empowered Iran.
Al Qaeda is NOT on the run. They and the Taliban are positioned to take over Peshawar in Pakistan, and they've regained control of most of Afghanistan. More US troops just died in Afghanistan than in Iraq.
I thought it was because of Dubya's plan for Iraq that Iran and Al Queda are going to have a chance to control the region. But then Lieberman was never very good with the facts now was he?
Sure, George Carlin dies and this piece of shit and Cheney live. There is no god.
This headline should say:
"CBS continues to give Lieberman airtime, despite traitorous lies."
JoeMarasmus @ 6:
it's a good thing he is, because Obama has to fight against the most polished attack machine in the history of the world. Say what you will about the Republican party but they sure know how to make useless nonsense into major campaign issues, their not good at a single other thing but attack they have down to a science...uh, intelligent design!
The fact is that if McCain doesn't win in November, Lieberman's political career is over and he knows it. But the way the Washington Merry-Go-Round works, Lieberman will land on his feet rich and comfortable, while the men and women sent to their deaths on his and Bush's behest will still be dead. How people of his ilk sleep at night amazes me.
Joe Lieberman is a threat to the security of the American people and should be removed from office. We don't need his kind in our government or on TV.
DMS @ 9:
Well, maybe we can pray to Joe Pesci to take care of things for us!
Mealy mouthed f@#!
"one of our most significant victories over them since 9/11, maybe the most significant."
Trying to link 9/11 to Iraq??
wow....nice :)
Good old self fellating Joe... I wish somebody would stick a boot in his ass, namely the Democrats after "our victory" in the fall. (Crosses fingers, eyes world map again). God the Democrats suck, this guy should be on a greased pig-pole and covered in fire ants.. Pelosi and Reid, you two are useless!
I watch the broadcast this morning and cracked up when Schieffer ask if being shot down and spending years as a POW qualified McSame for the Commander in Chief's job. Lieberman said of course it did. How come Francis Gary Powers never ran then?
ConstitutionalCommando @ 3:
He was all ways a tool. It still amazes me Gore picked him for VP.
If "we" had done what Obama (and Webb) recommended in the FIRST place (do NOT invade Iraq) then "we" would not presently BE bogged down in Iraq, there would be no al-Qaeda in Iraq, Iran's influence in the region would not have been enhanced, 4000+ American military deaths would have been avoided, countless billion$ would not have been spent, millions of Iraqis would not be dead, maimed, displaced, .. etc etc etc ..
AND "we" might have captured bin Laden ..
Duh!
So, in the weird inside-out Lieberman universe, as long as the U.S. maintains a 130,000-troop military occupation of Iraq, Iraq is "defending itself" -- but if the U.S. ends the occupation, Iraq will no longer be defending itself? Warning: Do not attempt to enter this universe -- only Joe Lieberman can exist in it!
bilhelm-X @ 16:
It's fine if Lieberman speaks at the GOP convention and campaigns for McSame. Because Reid says Lieberman agrees with the Dems on most issues. Of course, what those issues are is anyone's guess. Since Lieberman doesn't agree on the Iraq war, Iran, national security, torture, FISA, gutting of the Constitution...you know all the little issues.
Sadly, there's no one on television who will rub his nose in his own bullshit.
republican = insanity!
lieberman = republican, you do the math!
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 10:
The Republican machine wouldn't work if the American people weren't so ignorant...
please no more elmer fudd. everytime i see that a...hole or hear what he's saying, i get physically ill. what a wimp.
By putting Lieberman on, the big media are creating a stir. A stir attracts viewers. Viewers watch commercials. Viewers buy products. Big media gets high $$$s. Mission accomplished. The horse race is what attracts interest.
After the Sunday talk shows comes sports. Go outside and register people to vote. Your vote counts but we could do more.
Saint Augustine @ 17:
I thought it was because McCain suffered "enhanced interrogation techniques" at the hands of his Vietnamese captors that qualified him in foreign policy matters.
Certainly we can no longer say that McCain was "tortured" - if we are to accept the GOP's definition of "torture." McCain was not killed & suffered no major organ failure.
If ONLY Gore had stood up to George W. Bush in 2000 and demanded his electoral victory!!!
THEN on 9/12/2001 President Gore could have listened to the stable, wise counsel of Vice-President Lieberman.
How different the world and US foreign policy would look today!
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[It is the genius of the US elite power structure to make a two-party system just as tyrannical as a one-party system.]
Lieberman says the moon is made of cheese.
FUCKING SCHIEFFER. Goddamn Nantucket Villager. Goddamn fear mongering idiot.
For jeebbus sake, why not ask him "Oh Joe, what kind of terrible things would happen if Iran seized control!?"
Hell, I have some more questions Bob S. can ask holy Joe.
Would Al Qaeda be able to launch more strikes at us when they take control in Iraq?
Is it possible they could seize control of the gulf region and jack up oil prices?
Would they make my son gay?
Would they start courting my daughter over myspace?
Cmon Bob Schieffer, you FUCKING DUMBASS, ask more stupid questions, I dare you!
Heavy irony intended in #28 above.
lol, as opposed to Bush's plan for Iraq.
which gives Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al Qaeda control. ;)
Well whataya expect...the Senator from Tel Aviv being questioned by a guy whose brother has been a business partner of geedubyabush and is currently the Ambassador to Japan (wonder how he got that one?) - no challenging questions, no exclamations of doubt, no nothing.
I'm beginning to hate 'em all.
Thanks CT Democrats. Thanks for voting for this guy after the thumbed his nose at the primary process.
Idiots...
JoeMarasmus @ 6:
The "move to the center" mantra again, huh? Please. Let the clueless beltway bobbleheads be the only ones who buy that meme.
Sitemonitor, is it really advocating violence to wish that someone should drop Lieberman from a helicopter into Sadr city with an empty machine gun crazy-glued to his fingers like in the movie FX, parachute optional?
And so the corporate media turn on Obama on national security.
Who da thunk it?
Onto Iran.
The thing about McCain, Lieberman and Bush is they will never be able to solve the war because they do not understand it. They do not understand the players. Lieberman says Al Qaeda would be in control of Iraq today? That is just STUPID!!! The Iraqis will kick their sorry butts out (no matter what McCain and his best buddy forever thinks) in a matter of hours after the U.S. leaves. The Iraqis hate Al Qaeda as much as they hate the U.S. for invading. You can bet your bottom $ that no Iraqi will be told what to do by some Al Qaeda nut who all of Iraq hate. McCain (and it looks like Lieberman as well) does not even know who Al Qaeda is. Obviously the same is true with Bush. All you will see of Al Qaeda is the dust they kick up as they run for Afghanistan. Iraq will kick Al Qaeda out just like they will do to the Iranians, "Thanks for the help. Now get the hell out." They don’t get the dynamics of country being invade by foreign powers. What would happen if the U.S. pulled out of Iraq immediately? What would happen next? This is what would happen - The Shia tell Iran "Thanks for the help, now leave. Get out of our country." That is the part the neocon war mongers can't seem to understand. Everybody says that Iran will take over Iraq. Or they will have so much influence that Iraq will essentially become part of Iran. Well that will NOT happen. Iraq is Iraq. They don't want to be told what to do by Iran. Just like they don’t want to be told what to do by the U.S. Remember when Saddam invaded Kuwait, Saudi Arabia let the U.S. stage in their country to throw Saddam out of Kuwait. And Egypt helped the coalition in that war. Both those countries are Sunni. Saddam was Sunni. In fact Egypt harbored an exiled Saddam many years ago but Egypt helped throw Saddam out of Kuwait. Being from the same sect did not help Saddam. Saddam didn't listen to Saudi Arabia when it came to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is Sunni like Saddam. Saudi Arabia let the coalition stage in Saudi Arabia to attack Saddam, a Sunni. Why would Iraq listen to any other country, i.e. Iran or Syria or anybody else? Why would they let Iran tell them what to do? So you see that just because part of Iraq and Iran are the same sect you cannot assume that Iraqi Shia will let Iranian Shia tell them what to do. The Iraqis are only letting Iran help them because Iraq wants the U.S. out! As far as the Kurds go they have it figured out. They're having BBQ on Saturday nights (probably). And the Sunni? They will have to figure out how to have their own area. Joe Bidden knows how this will work out. Most of them have left the country anyway. It will work out without us. The neocon war profiteers don't get it or they want this war to continue for financial reasons. You know this. I know this. 82% of the U.S. knows this. Getting out is the dilemma. The Republicans think that staying in is the delima. I'm sure the military can figure out how the hell to leave. They don't have to worry about all the junk they brought with them. Most of it is trash at this time anyway. It's worn out. Used up. Just get on a plane and leave. Remember Iraq was better off with Saddam. I've said it many times. Nobody wanted to say it at the time but it is true. Iraq will have to sell their oil to somebody just like Venazuela. So you see there is no problem. pack up and leave. Let's pack it up and leave tomorrow. You are either with me or... um... ah... won't get fooled again.
Lieberman makes me very bitter.
It's time to call this for what it is. These politicians and pundits are more concerned for Israel than they are for America. We can continue to support Israel's right to exist but why should America continue fighting wars in the middle east on behalf of Israli right wingers?
Joe Lieberman - U.S. Senator from Connecticut or (not so) undercover operative for the Likud?
this is tha same asshat the whispered into mcC*nt's left ear that al qaeda and Iran have nothing to do with ewach other, right?
ASSHOLE!
What about the fact that the majority of Iraqis are Shia, and El Qaeda are Sunni?
Its good dope that he is smoking!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 40:
That be the one.
Captain Self Centered Bitter Hussein Kangaroo @ 38:
that was quite a lot to sat that LIEberman is a lying asshole. I commend your patience.
Lieberman is what happens when Dems move to the "center", defined as following dead-enders like Bush. They become bitter Droopy Dogs who wonder why nobody else but their fellow GOP dead-enders realizes how brilliant and bipartisan they are.
i'm typing too fast! this fuck makes me too angry, not only at him, but at Reid and Pelosi and Obama.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 40:
Iraq and al Qaeda had nothing to do with each other either, until after we invaded that is. Now al Qaeda represents about 1%[?] of the foreign fighters in Iraq? Yeah, al Qaeda is really set to take over
Iraq and IranPakistan's northwest territory and Afghanistan [again].Wonder what significant victory Lieberman was referring to over al Qaeda?
Otay @ 44:
I have to disagree. LIEberman is what happens when another country owns your leadership.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 46:
correctamundo!
victory? beats me!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 43:
Its because I'm self centered.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 47:
Lieberman doesn't represent a 5th column and Israel doesn't control the US government. The Bushies did this, not Israel.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/2212934/Isra...
this is why there still their.........they're not done.they are building bases in iraq and waiting for israel to attack iran.
bomb the nuclear facility and oil production infrastructure
we will protect 4-5 companies that are/will be pumping oil out of iraq.....this will reduce OPEC's control of prices....israel most formidable enemy OPEC..many in the middle east believe this is about resources..oil
we subsidize the oil companies and we will protect them paid for by our tax dollars blackwater/u.s. troops
Unless your Bush & Co, (which seems to include Liar-man) then you make the terrible choice, every time!
One Year Wonder @ 30:
DirtyDawg @ 33:
I absolutely agree.
schieffer sux and
LIEberdouche is an appropriate nickname.
Iran would have a helluva time trying to control Iraq. Those two nations fought an 8-year war that ended the year before I was born. Eight years of bloodshed and deaths of young people in pursuit of Ba'ath secularism and Khomeini's Twelverism is hard to forgive or forget. Just how Iraqis would forget that Iran spent eight years trying to conquer them (after Saddam al-Majid started the war, of course) and that Iranians vowed the destruction of much of Iraq only a generation ago is beyond me. Some Southerners still hate Sherman for his March to the Sea. For Pete's sake, some Jews blame today's Italians for the AD 70 destruction of the Temple. Iran has no more chance of being Iraq's ruler than I have, as a white, American Evangelical (if a rather irreligious one in some ways) do of being declared Pope of Alexandria by the Coptic Church in Egypt.
This sort of malignant stupidity should be countered, at every turn.
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So when exactly is Reid going to strip this Republican in
DemocratIndependent clothing of his committee seats?Seems like endorsing and advising the Republican candidate while trashing the Democratic candidate would make that a priority to the Democratic
MisLeadershipSitemonitor: FIFY
I wish Schieffer asked Lieberman if he is willing to send his own kids to this war in Iraq.
Neocons kids do not fight this war and others planned in Neocons PNAC(Project for New American Century) manefisto ...because they want someone else kids to die for what they planned and push for.
Lieberman,B. Kristol,Bolton and many of Neocons who preach war on national television networks are unwilling to send their own kids to war.
They are also not spending a dime from their pockets toward this war and the many wars they are dreaming to happen.The war cost is left to the tens of millions of American taxpayers to pay,that it could have been used in better way.
Lieberman likes McCain becuase he sees in him a continuation of the same war plan which suits Lieberman's AIPAC AND PNAC agendas.
I guess that little chat Obama had with him, went in one ear and unimpeded, went right out the other one.
Now will someone, anyone, in the Democratic party demonstrate a pair of testicles and DTMFA please?
akk! my strike tag went wild
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 47:
Liebermann is a fundo fascist jew.
Fundamentalist jews, christians and arabs are fucking bringing this planet to the brink.
This Zionist Hoodlum should be "brought to justice" for war crimes. I hate his Kermit the Frog Voice too. F em.
This Lieberman video is hardly an isolated incident.
This is the push to get us into a war with Iran.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/29/seymour-hersh-exposes-new_n_109...
The other part of the campaign is HR 362 and SR 580. We've got an evil party in the Republicans and a large group of sell outs in the Democratic Party.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 50:
check who was at the helm of our defenses on 9/11 and who was at the helm of the british surveillance system when the london bombs went off. what country are they based in? who gave them the contract? it's a matter of public record. no dot connecting required.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 47:
A tiny country like Israel has not a snowball's chance in Hell of controlling Uncle Sam. If anything, the Christozionists in our nation are pulling Israel's puppet strings. In Protestant Fundamentalism the Antichrist from Iraq will be joined by Iran and the Russian Federation in an apocalyptic war against the US and Israel. Myself, I think that's bollocks, as neither Iran nor Russia can defeat the Israeli Army's leftovers, but that's their belief. Not to mention that if Iran gets uppity, Russia'll go to war all right...with Iran. The Russians have no desire to go slaughtering Jews like the Tsars still rule them and Iran can't fight its way out of a wet paper bag even when it defends itself, so...
Protestant Fundies are stupid. Thinking a bunch of secular Jews with enough domestic issues will play the sacrificial lamb for them is batshit insane. Israel was regathered once before and obliterated. Idiots like that are more behind this lockstep support of Israel than the trigger-happy IDF and Mossad are.
Comrade Rou @ 60:
If he were Haredim, he'd be opposed to Israel's existence. Most Haredi Jews are staunchly opposed to Zionism, and consider it the Yezter Harah run amock. The Fundie Christians want Armageddon, and even the Twelver Shia Fundies of Iran aren't gonna play that one. Iran is a rational player on the world scheme. It's not hell-bent on its own destruction.
Leiberman is just thinking Israel Israel Israel. Bush and his cronies are just thinking Oil Oil Oil and Money. The two feed off each other.
General_Rennenkampf @ 64:
there are zionists on both sides of the ocean. strings are being pulled in both places.
I just caught this on Philip Weiss' site in the comments. It makes you wonder just who in Israel is objecting to Iran...just who in the Jewish community? [Disclosure: my father worked for a wealthy Iranian Jew who kept a house in Israel. The so-called Islamofascism coming out of the mouths of the spiritually vacant "Jews" in Cheney's govt, who have captured the great uneducated here with their historical lies, has come to signify to me a way to bilk US taxpayers of military dollars for their own personal gain.]
Jews in Iran - Australian TV:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Skmj8q0Wg
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbkmHf3jZUo
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 63:
What the Hell? The Mossad actually worked as an intelligence bureau, something neither the FBI or CIA have done in decades, at minimum. Most UK intelligence is about the quality of US intelligence, M16 is ruled by the same sort of dummies the FBI and CIA are. At least the Mossad seemed to actually work before trying to start a scare on a nation that if it wanted to, could obliterate Israel before it could fight back.
The Israelis are not some sort of Illuminati Bircherite mastermind, even if they both start and end with the same letter.
JL MEALER @ 55:
healthcare needs to be addressed.....corporate america agrees.....whatever the answer is everyone has to be in the health care insurance pool....open up the plan the congress has bring cost down with participation...mccain has been in government social healthcare system his entire life....if it's good for him i'll take it also
What a lying sack of sh*t.
Keep it up, Lebe, I'm sure your constituency in Tel Aviv is cheering you on, too bad they can't vote for you from there....Lousy, suck-up jerkoff pig. You are going to get SO punked.
Thanks once again, Connecticut Republipigs...Lebe is the gift that keeps on giving. Like herpes.
LIEberman, what a friggin tool. its like kindergarten hour on 'screw the nation'
1) the "long term agreement" runs afoul of the constitution, not that LIEberman cares about the constitution at all
2) and, hello, the biggest victors in the mccain/bush iraq scorched-earth strategy has been iran
3) there was NO al qaeda in iraq before we invaded
it amazes me that these puppets can spew the misinformation so easily. oh wait, no it doesn't.
it is the policies that LIEberman supported/supports that he is now, like a pretzel, trying to peg on obama.
and, anytime droopy dog's name is mentioned it behooves me to mention that he is STILL the chairman of homeland security and governmental affairs. still. and the dems wonder why they appear to be pushovers.
editor @ 66:
that makes sense. taking occam's razor to the problem.
LIEBERMAN : Another brave warrior who had himself some dee-ferrments during the Vietnam Quagmire.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 67:
"Zionist" is polite code for Jews-in-power, isn't it? Bullshit, I call bullshit again, and say that officially, you are no better than the John Birchers who imagine a conspiracy of Jewish bankers corrupting the pure White Male American bloodlines with race-mixing. What you espouse is virtually identical. Fuck that shit, and please keep it away from this site. We don't need to become the Far Right Lite.
General_Rennenkampf @ 69:
you attribute a far greater conspiracy to my statements than they carry.
simply put: shit stinks. and I attribute it to who is known to be in the room. I'm not chasing the vent system.
JL MEALER @ 55:
A lot of flowery words; no real substance. It is; however, very amusing that you would confuse Franklin Roosevelt with Teddy Roosevelt.
Iran responds:
Iran is to dig 320,000 graves in border districts to allow for the burial of enemy soldiers in the event of any attack on its territory, a top commander said on Sunday.
"In implementation of the Geneva Conventions... the necessary measures are being taken to provide for the burial of enemy soldiers," the Mehr news agency quoted General Mir-Faisal Bagherzadeh as saying.
"We have plans to dig 15,000 to 20,000 graves in each of the border provinces or a total of 320,000," the general said, some of them mass graves if necessary.
Bagherzadeh said Iran was keen to "reduce the suffering of the families of the fallen in any attack against our country... and prevent any repetition of the long and bitter experience of the Vietnam War."
If the media truly was controlled by liberals, which it ain't, Shaeffer's next line would be, "How can you so blatantly lie to the American people? What makes you think you can get away with such obvious bald-faced lies?"
But the media in America is tightly controlled by the far-right wing, so instead we get obvious and blatant lies airing by the minute completely un-challenged.
lieberman knows the plan NEOCON talking head
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=61437§ionid=351020201
General_Rennenkampf @ 75:
be fair, General! no code words are required. neocons and zionists are cut from the same cloth. they sacrifice anything and anyone. the ends justify the means.
Comrade Rutherford @ 79:
the main media are millionaires and are simply on the power side.
General_Rennenkampf @ 69:
Israel was also among one of many nations, including Muslim nations, that tried to warn Bush about an imminent al Qaeda attack. But it was the Bushies who ignored those warnings. It was the Bushies who had other more important things to do, such as: downgrading the counter-terrorism tzar Richard Clarke, ignoring the CIA, FBI and NSA warnings when the lights were flashing red, ignoring the Presidential Daily Brief titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US," and failing to call a principles meeting until Sept. 4th.
The US was in charge of its own national security on 9/11. I was in NYC on that day, I'm Jewish [atheist actually], and I'm totally against everything Bush stands for as is most of the Jewish community by an overwhelming 80% + or -. Israel isn't perfect. But they weren't behind 9/11, they didn't allow it to happen, and they didn't invade Iraq. Bush has done all that and he is responsible for US failures on 9/11 and for US policies since.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 81:
I fail to see how the "EBIL NEOCONS are going to destroy our world through a war with the dirty brown men," differs from the "EBIL KIKES are going to destroy our world by provoking us into a war with the dirty brown men," myself, but if you want to believe a leftist version of that paragon of sanity, and author of Conservapedia Phyllis Schafly's ideas, go right ahead.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 10:
INDEED. This is where the progressives need to be very careful and never assume anything.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 83:
Indeed. Bush was stupid enough to have eight months and what was supposedly the best intelligence agencies in the world to look for those bastards, and waste them in all likelihood because of his racist, and definitely Christian-based biases about the Muslims. However, if you look at the behavior of the hijackers, they weren't pure Islamic in their behaviors. They drank and laid every chick they could before death, which are both big no-nos under Islamic law. That's the same sort of behavior their Christian counterparts display.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 82:
It's not that they are fickle like the wind, they are actively pushing against the Democrats, regardless of the polls or their ratings.
Remember when Donahue was given a TV show before the Illegal War of Naked Aggression Against the People of Iraq started? He was decrying the imminent illegal invasion months before it happened. He had THE highest rated political TV show on the air. And he was CANCELLED! The highest rated show!
So it's obvious that it's NOT the money, and it's obvious that it's NOT the ratings, and it's obvious it's NOT the polls. If it had been about the polls, ratings, or money, the media would have turned against the GOP several years ago. But now, with their every breath, the media outlets are 100% against all Democrats and for the GOP without reservation, or even a basis in reality.
JL MEALER @ 56:
"Progressive Republicanism" .. sounds like a medical or psychiatric condition that requires immediate aggressive treatment ..
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Could someone PLEASE inform the LIARman that there was NO al-CIA-duh in Iraq UNTIL his great Fuehrer Bush opened a can of worms and let al-CIA-duh INTO Iraq?
P L E A S E!
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he is a zionist
they control american politics
americans are stupid they are smart
give credit where credit is due
he was smart enough to get elected in a blue state
now he has mc war wrapped around his finger
aint religion wonderful
such caring people
truly the christians have understood the message of jesus
in their minds jesus was about war mongering or stated in their language spiritual warfare
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&It...
i highly recommend this short video of interview of two iraqi officials saying the occupation is creating an iraqi troop/officials....dependency....also as many of you have said iran is assisting and possibly fighting because they are concerned about their national security...they also talk about shia in iran and iraq no direct political connection.......this type of info not on mainstream media
O/T breaking, a DC-10 apparently just violated White House airspace. Details to follow.
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 90:
You know; anybody can call themselves Al-Cia-duh. It's not like they are some kind of official organization with membership dues and secret handshakes. The people in Iraq calling themselves that have absolutely no connection to Bin Laden. They just thought it was a cool name to call their insurgent group.
Every major city i
researcher @ 91:
Religion and irreligion try to explain things that are beyond rational understanding. At some level, both atheism and theism try to explain the origin of the wolf eating the lamb, or the German putting the bullet in the Jew's head, or the chaos and carnage that goes with the rise and fall of life in general, and our attempts to create new versions of ruling ourselves. Sometimes, both the religious and their atheistic counterparts need to get it through their goddamned heads that there may be no explanation for why the Sun can alternately provide warmth or lethal heat, or the volcano can erupt or not erupt, or the contradictions and confusions of regular life. Passing the blame to God or to some all-powerful elite ignores that often, despite our best efforts to explain things, they just are that way, it matters not one fucking bit whether God or Zeus or random chance made it that way, it is that way. Fuck the bastards who are religious, of all creeds. Fuck the bastards who are irreligious, of all freethinking stripes. The Universe does not guarantee us an explanation. As to what that has to do with your post: you assigning blame to the neocons and the neocons assigning blame to Jesus both ignore that there is no outside power to things, only what our limited minds perceive as one.
Re: Confluence of NeoCon & Zionist agendas in the Middle East
On the face of it A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm appears to be the blueprint for the Bush administration's actions in the Middle East, including removing Saddam, forcing Syria to withdraw from Lebanon, striking Hezbollah in Lebanon, striking Syria, etc.
It's a short document, not particularly easy reading, but anyone interested in what the US has been doing in the Middle East for the last 7 years should read it.
MountainMan23 @ 96:
The Bush Administration and America were the ones that started that 2006 war and fought in it? Now I've just seen the sort of stupidity one expects on a site like Freerepublic.com or Stormfront.
Report: U.S. 'preparing the battlefield' in Iran
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/29/us.iran/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has launched a "significant escalation" of covert operations in Iran, sending U.S. commandos to spy on the country's nuclear facilities and undermine the Islamic republic's government, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.
It would appear they are going to be as dumb as we all hoped they would not be. Will anyone have the balls to stop them now?
What Lieberman is saying is pure nonsense..
If NeoCons were worried about AlQaeda and Iran taking over Iraq, then why did NeoCons plan and push for the war to topple Saddam IN 2003 who was the biggest enemy of both AlQaeda and Iran...
VegasRage @ 98:
what, operation TPAJAX, part deux?
you think someone at the strategy sessions (as if) would raise their hand and explain that our previous covert operations iran are what led to what became the modern state of iran today.
harley @ 19:
It's my opinion that, having heard that every president elected in a year ending with a 0 from 1840 onwards died in office (except for Regan, and he was still shot), Gore thought he'd keep the assassins away by having as his VP someone so revolting that nobody'd want to shoot Al just to make that cock president. Alas, nature sought to prevent the Joe-mentum even further by making Bush president instead. And now we might wonder why Bush was never shot. Then again, there's still time, I guess. But then Cheney will be president, for five minutes. Nobody wants that either.
Also, Joe Lieberman is in love with McCain. Unromantic folks will try to say that he's only attaching himself to the anus of the latest person he thinks can get him what he wants, but my explanation is prettier :3
VegasRage @ 98:
We'll be greeted as liberators, and it'll pay for itself. Shock and Awe Part Deux.
VegasRage @ 98:
Such is the death-warrant of an empire signed, and with it, the beginning of a new Dark Age. May the future religious governments that step into the vacuum this clusterfuck will eventually create be more merciful than the Medieval Catholics.
Kyrie Eleison,
Christie Eleison,
Kyrie Eleison,
Christie Eleison
^You may think that's overblown, but an Iran invasion as a best-case scenario is a clusterfuck.
One has to wonder if Liar-man isn't an Israeli operative.
LIEberman
Thomas Stone @ 104:
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
NEOCON.....philosophy...perpetual deception between rulers and the ruled...elite will use perpetual deception,
perpetual war and use religous fervor
religion is absolutely essential in order to impose moral law on the masses who otherwise would might become uncontrollable....opiate of the masses
of course we know bush used this strategy perfectly on evangelical voters....lieberman is doing it now for mcBush
Wow. Am I the only human not understanding why this fucktard is allowed to speak in public? Don't get me wrong, I am an avid supporter of freedom of speech, but this kind of wacko shit belongs on a boulevard intersection next to the guy who is arguing with the light post and the 20 people trying to clean your wind shield.
Jewbee Joe has sunk to an all time low in his ability to process cognitive thoughts. Somehow, you and I paying $300+ billion a year to send 130K+ troops and 250K+ contractors to enforce martial law in Iraq gets translated into "Iraq defending itself". I don't care how many times you scream that from your refrigerator box on the sidewalk; it simply makes no fucking sense.
Iraq will be defending itself when I no longer pay trillions of dollars to Halliburton and Black Water to protect Israel from the Iranian boogie man. Joe, I want children in Tel Aviv to sleep as soundly as mine do in Milwaukee, but I'm not going to pay for the Mousaad to kill children in Hebron. So either relocate to Jerusalem or shut the fuck up.
You being a double agent doesn't help THIS country one bit.
And why is this nutjob on T.V. Bob Schiefer, shame on you. He needs far higher credibility for your show, you know that. But you all need shills to make the shows interesting, don't you.
karl @ 107:
Atheism in the guise of the Communist governments of the Cold War proved just as adaptable to being an opiate of the masses. Any idea can be twisted and perverted. If atheism becomes the world creed, one day it will be just as conservative and hide-bound as today's religions, that is the fate of all things with time. Just as once Achaemenid Iran, the ancestors of today's Iranians outweighed all Earth by worse than us and the USSR combined in the Cold War, so now we threaten their descendants, burying ourselves in turn. The wheel of history, this endless cycle of blood and rise of empires and their fall in turn shall not stop with this current era, it too shall pass, until in 900 million years, our planet is too hot to live on.
Lieberman is not America first, he's Israel first. Everything that comes out of his mouth is not for America's interest.. it is for Israel's interest first.
Just Hussein Of It @ 108:
Jewbee Joe? AntiSemitism, that. I presume you call Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a "Raghead Persian", then or a German a "Nazi Kraut," or a Japanese a "Slant-eyed Yellow Gook?" If not, then don't spew that bile, that sort of hate should have died with the Red Army in Berlin in 1945, not be resurrected in a new and virulent form by us, the reality-based community.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article41387...
bush on his legacy tour...his last yr.....let's get a peace treaty israel/palestinian people,get bin laden,attack iran..
get my public approval numbers up so i won't be the laughing stock for the next 20 yrs.
Hey, asshole, if the US has to withdraw or to retreat, then that means that their troops are in Iraq for only 2 reasons: 1) the US is defending itself from attack by another sovereign nation or (2) the US has invaded another sovereign nation. I don't know of any nation that has invaded the US or its "territories" and I don't know of any declaration of war by Iraq so it must be (2). Invasion of another nation state is a war crime and the perpetrators should be dragged into court at the Hague. Toss in the old Soviets, the Indonesians and the Brits when you have the time.
Why doesn't he just jump ship and register as a republican and get it over with.
JL MEALER
How will McInsane do any of that with our troops still fighting a useless war that is draining the Treasury?
General_Rennenkampf
Wouldn't a Requiem be more appropiate, I like John Rutter's or Beethoven Mass in C.
WHat a crock of RW talk-shit-ing points!!
AL GUEDA?? will take over Iraq??
Hey Liebershitman, AL Queda does not live in IrAQ!!!
THey will NOT BE in IRAQ if we leave!!!
When we go, they will go!!
ANd what force do you think they have anyway, Liebuttman?
Iraq does not support them, does not like them, and when we are gone they, and all their jihadist suicide followers will have no cause any more!!!!!
DUMBSHIT!
And IRan is their neighbor!!!
NOT YOU!
NOT US!
IRan!
THey have relations with IRan and they have no interest in Iran running Iraq.
IT's all discounted, hyped up, Warmongering BULLSHIT!!
oh and they ain't training Alqueda either cuz IRAN does not tolerate Al Queda.... so
how in the lying hell can they run Iraq together???
WHat a load of desperate crocky SHIT!!!
Boy...
It's hard to believe that Lieberman's name translates as "Lovely fellow" from German...
Comrade Rutherford @ 88:
EXACTLY! TV and Print media are in on it. LATimes, NYTimes, major free TV and Cable, of course AM Radio..
This jack ass is totally transparent.....he wants OUR PRESENCE IN THE ME.....plain and simple.
He wants us there for the protection of Israel, at any cost, no matter how much it negatively upsets the region. No matter what the natives of Iraq or Iran or Syria, or any other Muslim nation object. He wants US there!
This is why he supports mcAncient. Pretty straight forward. He keeps quoting the days of JFK, and how we need this strong military that doesn't back away from doing whatever we think is necessary for OUR goals and objectives.
He is an imperialistic neocon chicken-hawk. Doesn't matter how much blood and treasure we lose. Doesn't matter how many Muslims we eliminate or upset. Doesn't matter what anyone else on this planet thinks and how this affects them. Is simply a question of "protection for Israel".
This is utter bullshit!!!
General_Rennenkampf @ 85:
again, I hope you are not attributing your stream of slurs to me. that kind of projection is ridiculous and I will not accept it.
tell me more about this, though! I'd appreciate your insight.
He's what I call a "nasty grey little man." He has no light in his eyes. He's a zombie, that doesn't think deeply. He's a reactionary, with his own interests to protect. He does not work for the greater good of the American people, he works to further his personal agenda.
Den @ 115:
Or accidentally kill himself. Oops. Did I say that?
Wow, great analysis! Lieberman behaves likes a jekyl and hyde, in that he is willing to be a part of the socialist movement to create one giant commerce center by using Arab money and oil. On the other hand, he is concerned about Iran and Russia planning on invading Israel. Since Russia is backed up by the Arab nations, where does Lieberman and party run to? Of course, the Vatican. With the help of the Vatican, Lieberman and gang create havoc for the Israelis living in Israel.
Whether it is Bush, McCain, or Obama, makes no difference. They have implemented the plan to create one world governmental order - headquarters in present day Babylon, Iraq. Are they going to use the United Nations to accomplish their quest for power?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 121:
The grinning skull of Evangelical Fascism cloaked in a leftist guize. Israel is likely to push Iran one bit too far and then they're buried in missles up to their asses, Russia swoops in against Iran, and everything is in nuclear fire in the paranoia ensuing.
The ideas on that site are damned well the ideas of the John Birch Society in the disguise of Leftism. I know that vomit when I smell it, and I smell it. Leave the kookiness to the Ron Paul Right, this is reality-based. There are no masterminds controlling everything. If you wanted to stop Iran being invaded, all the would-be Stalins and Molotovs of this site could take to the streets near rallies of the GOP swarm them, get in full sight of the cameras the way it happened at that John McPapen rally. Create a shitstorm.
Otherwise, you're talking as if some madmen control the world, which of course, removes all responsibility from you, doesn't it? Oh, no, I can't stop this, the Illuminati Jewish Freemasons of DoomTM will annihilate the entire world before breakfast!!!
The responsibility to fix this is in your hands as much as the possibility to create something new was in the hands of Kerensky, Kemal, the Spartacists, Spartacus, the Sons of Liberty, the Xinhai Revolutionaries. Either fix it, or STFU and stop blaming your own boogeymen for your lack of action.
General_Rennenkampf @ 125:
if nothing else you have the wit of zelazny. I salute you.
:<[)
General_Rennenkampf @ 125:
I forgot to ask, is that a Red Skull?
Beelzebud @ 35:
I live in Ct. Yes Beelzebud we are idiots & we let the
Republicans along with a good percentage of Democrats
vote the zany Joe into office. Now although we are stupid
in little Ct, the rest of the country elected W & have their
share of dimwitted politicians. The voters are good at voting
for someone who is against what they believe. Too bad. :(
This was a case of a PUTZ asking questions of a bigger PUTZ.
One Year Wonder @ 31:
Exactly. Tim Russert would have taken Joe to task on such claims. "Iran is on the run."
What a crock of shit.
The worst part was, afterwards he had Wes Clark on. Schieffer found it unspeakably weird that Wes wouldn't say that McCain would be better on defense. When Clark pointed out that being held captive and enduring torture doesn't give you political judgement, Schieffer went nuts on the suggestion. "What do you mean?" Well, it's perfectly friggin' obvious, Bob.
130, of course, terrible things could happen if Iran seized control in Iraq. First, Iran would seize all oil fields from Iraq to the Emirates. Second, U.S. contractors will have lost businesses and jobs, lol. Third, Russia will partner with Iran and occupy the Afghanistan region and that meant no oil funnelling to the U.S. Fourth, Israel will prove that they are stronger than ever in defeating Iran and Russia which they will eventually do so (to my utter surprise). Lieberman is clueless on this one and is terrified that Iran may have control over Israel.
Finally, you may find Al Qaeda attacking U.S. in provoking for a war against Iran.
Rob @ 40:
Your post is spot on. Few people know this, choose to bury it, or just think it is being anti-semantic. That is just not case. AIRPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in America. They do whatever it takes to discredit and/or quash any story that is critical of Israel. There media mouthpieces are numerous; Lieberman, Kristol, Krauthhammer, Sapphire, Dershowitz, Friedman, Cohen, Blitzer, Larry King, Koppel, Wallace, Walters, Savage, and many many more. Some of these names are obvious, others quite surprising. The list of network owners and top executives, reads like a who's who. I think it is safe to say, they have a stranglehold on the news media. Those they do not directly control, are intimidated by threats to their revenue. I have been speculating on why the MSM is ignoring so many top stories, which are critical of the war, and John McCain, their horse in the race. Maybe it is just coincidence?
I swear, Lieberman looks more and more like Palpatine...
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/palpatine_lieberman.jpg
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 11:
They onluy seem to be the "most polished attack machine in the history of the world" because they have a zero question asking MSM.
They never get called out on their lies and twisting of reality to their faces on TV, a few direct and hard questions and rebuttals and their facade would crumble like their asset stripping economic miracle, ie PNAC funny money.
I have a suggestion for all those who support the Iraq war: GO FIGHT THERE. Or shut the hell up.
I console myself with the thought that if there were a Hell - this man would certainly be going.
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And isn't he something?
Just another war criminal. Pretending to be self-righteous - the ultimate Patriotic American - when all he ever cared about was Israel and his own sorry, sorry ass?
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MacDaKnife @ 133:
Yep. Thanks to Hitler, no one is allowed to call the zionists on their bullshit. They are at least half of the problem in the middle-east.
Until Israeli politics shift to left and the right-wing parties in Israel with their dreams of colonizing the West Bank, Lebanon, and Jordan are reined in, there will be no peace.
The Jews don't believe in hell. It is a myth. He believes that he is saving Israel and that his reward is in heaven. BTW, what matters is his intentions and his belief in his creator.
DMS @ 9:
I second that.
Exactly that.
yakfitguy @ 139:
MacDaKnife @ 133:
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 127:
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM and DIEBOLD! @ 126:
If some of you really believed the US was in danger, you'd take to the fucking streets, not post nonsense on a blog. It doesn't take the masses to create a Revolution, it didn't in Russia or Imperial China. Just a few well-placed people and you've got your revolution. So....
As for the Israelis, let me ask you this: why do none of you anti-Semitic assholes say "Yid" or "Kike" instead of Zionist? It's damned obvious you can't distinguish between the secular regime in Israel and Jews worldwide, so be a man and state something outright. "Zionist" in the context you use it is a neo-Nazi euphemism. Not just Bircher wannabes, here, I guess, we also have would-be Kristallnachters. I don't like it when conservatives hide behind the skirts of respectability when they damn well are race-baiting, and I dislike equally when Leftists will skirt around Jew-hatin' by passing it off on Israel. If it ain't right for Bill O'Reilly to be anti-black (which he emphatically is), Jew-hatin' doesn't get a pass. You're willing to distinguish between the emphatically not fun and games Mullah regime in Iran and the average Shia Muslim on the streets of Tehran, but won't do the same favor for those Yids in Haifa, hmm? Cowards, all of you.
If Israel wishes to survive, it must drop the Jewish state business, and give Muslim and Christian residents full rights, it's the only possible solution to this mess. I don't give a damn if it's supposed to be Jewish or not, if we don't want Baghdad and Mecca and Tel Aviv and Ankara to be green glass, the Jews have to give up Israel as their own state.
I would like to see Lieberman and McCain announce their visits before hand instead of sneaking in and out of Iraq...as they have done in the past. Let everyone when and where they will arrive and travel the country without a security detail. If the surge is working so well let's see a press conference outside the Green Zone. Put your money where your mouth is...
Hey Lieberman, what are you going to do when they kick your dumb ass out of the Senate?
General_Rennenkampf @ 142:
If you are talking about me, Dude, you are way out of line. You have also just proven my point, that to criticize Israel automatically makes a person anti-semantic. That is crap. A large part of my extended family is Jewish. They are part of the most valuable treasure I have, my family. However, I have been able separate my feelings for Israel, and the militant right-wing Government that now exists. It is the same as saying I still love my Country, but despise the despotic rule of Bushco. And, by the way, my family basically feels the same. It was they who first introduced me to view things this way.
Comrade Rou @ 61:
EXACTLY!!
harley @ 19:
I would bet many dollar$ that Gore didn't pick the prick. It was the establishment in the DNC/DLCthat figured it would be a good strategic move. LOL of course they failed as usuall!!
Does this moron even have a clue of just how much he has marginalized himself; and how totally irrelevant and politically finished he will be after Obama's landslide victory, and the next Senate containing approximately 60 democratic seats?
No party, no chairmanship, and absolutely no political influence. That's quite a Senator you got there Connecticut!
would 'delirious' be too strong?
#20
And christians would not be persecuted and killed as happens now. See seg #1 of 60 Minutes of how things are much worse now for christians than under Saddam.
While it's fairly obvious from body structure and facial demeanor that Holy Joe is well past the prime of life like his new buddy, "Juke Box John" McSame, you really have to wonder whether something more deleterious is going on here. He's exhibiting some of the same Reagan symptoms which seemed peculiar at the time but we now know were onset of mental decline. Joe, you should've gone out on top. Now you're just going to be dumped from the cart and the public will wonder what they ever saw in you.
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