I know this one dude who, like, attacked a whole country that didn't attack us first, calling it some crazy shit like "the doctrine of pre-emption." Where can I report that terrorist motherfucker?

The right is so opposed to communism and anything socialist that they welcome fascism...

Welcome to 1933... Your Volkswagen will be ready soon.

Ooooops, apparently I've been having a dream where I've been living in the future, looks like the actual year is 1983. I'm not looking forward to the new year.

colorado!

you can't get more unamurKKKan than that!

You really have to watch out in colorado!

This all sounds familiar. Didn't this sort of thing try to get going several years ago. They were telling repairmen to report anything suspicious when they went into someones home to make repairs. Then there was another time people who drove 18 wheelers were asked to keep an eye out when they were on the road.

I hope these people have federal protection because this shit screams for a lawsuit if someone is falsely turned in by a medic or any of the other occupations mentioned.

Do these people get rewards if they turn in someone that is convicted?

2+2= ?

The PATRIOT ACT ensures that any and all crimes that you can commit are acts of terrorism.

From smoking herb .. to getting into a fight.. and all sub sections in between.. they are all ACTS of TERRORISM...

Glad to see this light just starting to shine here now...

911 happens by "surprise".. and all of a sudden 3 days later this 10,000 page document is rolled out and passed before anyone could read it... Its all in there.. Patriot act 1 and 2 sucking out and super ceding all of our rights...

What a co-inky-dink...

their New World Order has a Third Reich odor..

pissed off patricia @ 2:

Are kids supposed to turn in their parents if the parents don't wear flag fu*king pins?

I wonder if it matters where one wears said flag pin. Because I'm starting to want to wear one pinned to my ass.

And what's next? Checkpoints at the state borders like they used to have in Europe? They track your money, they track your actions and they track your emails and phone calls... next thing you know you won't really be free to move about the Country, will you?

I visited Germany for the first time back in the 80's and I was so surprised at the men with machine guns roaming the airports... I had never seen that before... but more and more, it looks like we are pretty soon going to have them at the malls... No, I take that back, not the malls, that might discourage shopping, eh?

I suppose liberal blogging would be a fine example of "conversing in code".

pissed off patricia @ 11:

This all sounds familiar. Didn't this sort of thing try to get going several years ago. They were telling repairmen to report anything suspicious when they went into someones home to make repairs. Then there was another time people who drove 18 wheelers were asked to keep an eye out when they were on the road.

I hope these people have federal protection because this shit screams for a lawsuit if someone is falsely turned in by a medic or any of the other occupations mentioned.

Do these people get rewards if they turn in someone that is convicted?

I think they wanted to get firemen to investigate places that they were doing their building inspections as well.

Exotic Blue Lensman @ 21:

I suppose liberal blogging would be a fine example of "conversing in code".

!@#$ the $%^%&*@#ers!

"Hundreds of police, firefighters, paramedics and even utility workers have been trained and recently dispatched as “Terrorism Liaison Officers” in Colorado and a handful of other states to hunt for “suspicious activity” - and are reporting their findings into secret government databases."

Okay and then after the info gets into the spooky secret government databases, what happens next? I'm guessing not a damned thing. This all sounds like a whole lot of bullshit to me. This simply tries to make people believe anyone could blow up shit so they should be suspicious of everyone and be afraid of every damned thing in the name of safety and America and patriotism and whatever.

pissed off patricia @ 27:

"Hundreds of police, firefighters, paramedics and even utility workers have been trained and recently dispatched as “Terrorism Liaison Officers” in Colorado and a handful of other states to hunt for “suspicious activity” - and are reporting their findings into secret government databases."

Okay and then after the info gets into the spooky secret government databases, what happens next? I'm guessing not a damned thing. This all sounds like a whole lot of bullshit to me. This simply tries to make people believe anyone could blow up shit so they should be suspicious of everyone and be afraid of every damned thing in the name of safety and America and patriotism and whatever.

Horrible thing it is to live one's life in fear...

Living in fear isn't really living.

Wow - I wonder if the repair guy who came the other day saw my refrigerator. I've got a page from a poliltical ad from a couple years ago - a photo of Bush looking especially stupid with "Had Enough? under the photo. My family has, er, decorated it over time, so it's pretty clear what we think of him. And I think I might have said something in French. Guess I'm screwed.

pissed off patricia @ 27:

"Hundreds of police, firefighters, paramedics and even utility workers have been trained and recently dispatched as “Terrorism Liaison Officers” in Colorado and a handful of other states to hunt for “suspicious activity” - and are reporting their findings into secret government databases."

Okay and then after the info gets into the spooky secret government databases, what happens next? I'm guessing not a damned thing. This all sounds like a whole lot of bullshit to me. This simply tries to make people believe anyone could blow up shit so they should be suspicious of everyone and be afraid of every damned thing in the name of safety and America and patriotism and whatever.

Remember when your teachers in grade school would warn you that your fuck-ups were gonna "go into your Permanent Record"? LOL.

This is all part of the mendacious Total Information Awareness paradigm of "If we just had ALL of the hay, we'd know EXACTLY where the Terrorist needles are. They're RIGHT THERE IN THE HAY!"

Powkat @ 32:

Wow - I wonder if the repair guy who came the other day saw my refrigerator. I've got a page from a poliltical ad from a couple years ago - a photo of Bush looking especially stupid with "Had Enough? under the photo. My family has, er, decorated it over time, so it's pretty clear what we think of him. And I think I might have said something in French. Guess I'm screwed.

LOL! I'm beyond screwed.

Don't worry. If anything goes wrong Faux News will honestly report it.

Anyone have photoshopping skills? I think Doocy and not Steve Doocy need a makeover.

"...reporting their findings into secret government databases."
________

Like, uh, the one at the FEC, which can't handle 2008 campaign finance reporting, because it's limited to 65 536 rows of data (16=bit record addressing)?

Meaning that they're using an Excel spreadsheet for their "database." Or, no, wait, maybe it's Lotus 1-2-3 or VisiCalc.

pissed off patricia @ 37:

BobbyG @ 34:

pissed off patricia @ 27:

"Hundreds of police, firefighters, paramedics and even utility workers have been trained and recently dispatched as “Terrorism Liaison Officers” in Colorado and a handful of other states to hunt for “suspicious activity” - and are reporting their findings into secret government databases."

Okay and then after the info gets into the spooky secret government databases, what happens next? I'm guessing not a damned thing. This all sounds like a whole lot of bullshit to me. This simply tries to make people believe anyone could blow up shit so they should be suspicious of everyone and be afraid of every damned thing in the name of safety and America and patriotism and whatever.

Remember when your teachers in grade school would warn you that your fuck-ups were gonna "go into your Permanent Record"? LOL.

This is all part of the mendacious Total Information Awareness paradigm of "If we just had ALL of the hay, we'd know EXACTLY where the Terrorist needles are. They're RIGHT THERE IN THE HAY!"

That's so funny. I hadn't thought of my "permanent record" in ages and ages. Wonder what that rascal has in it by now? It must be pretty big.

I'm good, though. I promptly ratted myself out to TIA long ago. In actual USPS hardcopy, to the Director himself (yes, I really did that). Nothing to hide here.

Lt. Tony Lopez is the problem as much as the Bushevites in that the ability to halt this fascism lies with every citizen. When the petty bureaucrats like Lopez accept a position of 'Intelligence Unit Commander' instead of asking, 'WTF do you think this is, pre-WW-II Italy, or Friedman's Chile? Go gestapo yourself!', we are IN, not "sliding more and more inexorably into a fascist state." And the institutionalization of the Office of Faith-based Initiatives merely trowels on more layers that need to be blasted away from the cement shoes fixed to the Constitution.

BobbyG @ 42:

pissed off patricia @ 37:

BobbyG @ 34:

pissed off patricia @ 27:

Remember when your teachers in grade school would warn you that your fuck-ups were gonna "go into your Permanent Record"? LOL.

This is all part of the mendacious Total Information Awareness paradigm of "If we just had ALL of the hay, we'd know EXACTLY where the Terrorist needles are. They're RIGHT THERE IN THE HAY!"

That's so funny. I hadn't thought of my "permanent record" in ages and ages. Wonder what that rascal has in it by now? It must be pretty big.

I'm good, though. I promptly ratted myself out to TIA long ago. In actual USPS hardcopy, to the Director himself (yes, I really did that). Nothing to hide here.

Was that really written by you? That's funny as hell! Plus you saved your govt. the time and money they would need to monkey around in your business. Now I call that true patriotism.

Anyone watching my whereabouts would drop dead of boredom.

pissed off patricia @ 46:

BobbyG @ 42:

Was that really written by you? That's funny as hell! Plus you saved your govt. the time and money they would need to monkey around in your business. Now I call that true patriotism.

Yeah, I wrote that, and sent it to that prick Poindexter. I haflway thought about making up some official-looking form and spread it around in PDF format as a "TIA Federal Self-Report Form 2002.G.6a.1.b" and encourage people to fill in stupid shit and send it to him.

BobbyG @ 48:

pissed off patricia @ 46:

BobbyG @ 42:

Was that really written by you? That's funny as hell! Plus you saved your govt. the time and money they would need to monkey around in your business. Now I call that true patriotism.

Yeah, I wrote that, and sent it to that prick Poindexter. I haflway thought about making up some official-looking form and spread it around in PDF format as a "TIA Federal Self-Report Form 2002.G.6a.1.b" and encourage people to fill in stupid shit and send it to him.

I'm still laughing at the complete details of each activity. By the way, you were a fine tipper at the restaurant.

They called them Stasi in East Germany.

Still think you are "free?"

"Freedom" slaves conditioned to love your serfdom.

"or conversing in code"

You mean, like when I eak-spay ig-pay atin-Lay? Oy, gevalt. Oh-oh - more code speak~!! (:>

#19 Liberty Lover:
"And what’s next? Checkpoints at the state borders like they used to have in Europe? They
track your money, they track your actions and they track your emails and phone calls… next
thing you know you won’t really be free to move about the Country, will you?

I visited Germany for the first time back in the 80’s and I was so surprised at the men with
machine guns roaming the airports… I had never seen that before… but more and more, it
looks like we are pretty soon going to have them at the malls… No, I take that back, not the
malls, that might discourage shopping, eh?"

Uhhhh, sorry to break this to you, buddy, but you aren't free to move about the country now. Outside San Diego there are federal, random and roving, check points - not just the fixed 'border' stops up I-5. Offensive militia with automatic weapons, as you noted in Germany, are not uncommon, either. Outside of the U.S., for starters, see: Spain, Greece, Indonesia, Thailand; and the endless list in the Western Hemisphere, North to South! But you are right about the malls - there the squadrons are concealed in video monitor rooms, cocked and loaded.

the minute you hear words like "liaison" and "homeland", you know that the constitution and the rule of law are taking another hit

euphemisms aside, this is what this program is really about:

The Stasi infiltrated almost every aspect of [East German] life. In the mid-1980s, a network of civilian informants, Inoffizielle Mitarbeiter (IMs, Unofficial Collaborators), began growing in both German states; by the time East Germany collapsed in 1989, the Stasi employed an estimated 91,000 employees and 300,000 informants. About one of every 50 East Germans collaborated with the Stasi — one of the most extensive police infiltrations of a society in history. In 2007 an article in BBC stated that "Some calculations have concluded that in East Germany there was one informer to every seven citizens." Additionally, Stasi agents infiltrated and undermined West Germany's government and spy agencies.

The Stasi monitored political behavior among GDR citizens, and is known to have used torture and intimidation to mute dissent. During the Peaceful Revolution of 1989, Stasi offices were overrun by enraged citizens, but not before the Stasi destroyed a number of documents (approximately 5%)[2] When the remaining files were published for review, many people learned that their friends, colleagues, spouses, and relatives had regularly filed reports with the Stasi. These wounds on civil society have not yet entirely healed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

######## bystander @ 58:

the minute you hear words like "liaison" and "homeland", you know that the constitution and the rule of law are taking another hit

euphemisms aside, this is what this program is really about:

The Stasi infiltrated almost every aspect of [East German] life. In the mid-1980s, a network of civilian informants, Inoffizielle Mitarbeiter (IMs, Unofficial Collaborators), began growing in both German states; by the time East Germany collapsed in 1989, the Stasi employed an estimated 91,000 employees and 300,000 informants. About one of every 50 East Germans collaborated with the Stasi — one of the most extensive police infiltrations of a society in history. In 2007 an article in BBC stated that "Some calculations have concluded that in East Germany there was one informer to every seven citizens." Additionally, Stasi agents infiltrated and undermined West Germany's government and spy agencies.

The Stasi monitored political behavior among GDR citizens, and is known to have used torture and intimidation to mute dissent. During the Peaceful Revolution of 1989, Stasi offices were overrun by enraged citizens, but not before the Stasi destroyed a number of documents (approximately 5%)[2] When the remaining files were published for review, many people learned that their friends, colleagues, spouses, and relatives had regularly filed reports with the Stasi. These wounds on civil society have not yet entirely healed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

But think of the new jobs being created.../s

j/k I am totally for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Can't get more patriotic than that!

As little as 5 years ago, I was predicting this move to other liberal friends of mine.
And they dismissed me as a nut.

Now it's come to pass.

And the weird thing is, they still don't get it. They think this is just Republicans being dicks as normal, like Nixon and Watergate and it will all work itself out in the wash somehow.

They don't get it.

5 years from now, I promise you, you will look back on these as "the good old days"

General_Rennenkampf @ 51:

Andy @ 3:

Fascism wouldn't work in a nation the size of the US, it's a system built for smaller nations with smaller land areas. It would require some sort of Sovietism to rule a US-size nation with autocracy, for the good and simple reason that a nation this size has too many areas to hide in for guerilla activity. Whatever the failings of Soviet autocracy in some areas, one thing it was damned good at that Nazism wasn't was beating guerilla movements on its own soil.

Nonsense, in the tech age it'd be easy and a lot of information about anybody is out there already.

“We don’t snoop into private citizens’ lives. We aren’t living in a communist state.”

what a fucking liar this lt.col in the denver police. this is a fascist state action.
what part of violating the law does HE NOT UNDERSTAND.

People, people, don't you know? If you're not doing anything terr'ristic you don't have anything to worry about. This is designed to inform on terr'rists not real 'Mericans.

It is really sad to see our freedoms, that the terr'rists so despise, disappear like tears in rain.

if you want to know how bad it is in Denver see the following links...bottom line is that Bush/Cheney know they need
john W mccain in the house cause Iran, who knows but with the presidents control of Fema, the concentration of power is frightening.

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/view/police-stocking-up

http://www.politicswest.com/26452/fbi_descend_denver_dem_event

video

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2008/06/blackhawks-buzz-denver-stu...

Despite my username,

Anyone planning on going to Denver in August, or are already there, beware of the real Agent Provocateurs.

The police force has spent lots of money to stock up on every concievable "crowd control" device they can get their hands on; don't be naive in thinking they will not do everything in their power(and outside of it) to use them. They did it in Quebec last year and in Seattle durring the WTO; they will do it again.

I also say this inspite of having a long time friend on the Denver Police Department. He might be a good guy(he really is), but there is certainly no shortage of swine on the force in any town.

There was an infomercial on my local cable TV/ISP company a couple of years ago,
the local GLO 'Government Liaison Officer' won the 'employee of the month' award and got their face on the infomercial.
I suppose its lonely being the local gov weasel / web email monitor and even they need corp love sometimes.
The GLO job title along with TLO, smacks of commissar and other soviet style things.

Knock knock. Who's there? FBI. And we're not here to jazzercize.

Considering that Congressman Robert Wexler boarded an airplane after being escorted past Turkish security for "security reasons" and an observant (and a bit hyper) passenger recognized him as getting past security and freaked out about it to the point she was demanding that he be removed...yow. Yikes. Zoinks.

Umm...considering that every single traveler into the friendly skies can have their electronic media confiscated for no apparent reason, can we all say the word together now? C'mon class: F A S C I S T

Gosh golly gee, how ever did those German citizens narc out their neighbors and friends?

the last line of the lead-in article to this thread states:

"No, just sliding more and more inexorably into a fascist state."

This sounds like what many Pro-Obama blog monitors are facilitating.

"The FBI is conducting l5,000+ investigations into terrorist mailings"

(This CNN bottom-screen scroll appeared in mid-December 2001. I saw it. It lasted for only about 15 to 20 minutes, then disappeared).

Presumably, one of the terrorist mailings being investigated was the lethal anthrax one from a couple of months earlier, which means that the FBI was conducting 14,999+ additional investigations, probably ones involving someone sprinkling non-lethal powder into envelopes.

Several years ago, Al Gore's Tennessee office received a letter with powder in it. The local news station, in reporting about it, quoted a first responder as saying that this incident was just one of 400 that he had responded to in that area.

So, 14,999+ FBI investigations into terrorist mailings in 2001. You do the math. How many hundreds of thousands of these type of mailings have occurred in the past almost seven years?

And I just bet that 99.9 percent of these terrorist mailings were sent by right-wingers. What? Well, a simple way to find out would be to ask the FBI, or Glenn Fine, the FBI's Inspector General, who has been targeted by these terrorist mailings. Al Gore. Bill Clinton. Two U.S. senators, both Democrats. Family planning centers. "Liberal" newspapers.

I wonder how many of these "Terrorism Liaison Officers" are looking into this? Zero. Nada. Zilch. The Bush administration doesn't look into criminal acts committed by some of their own, or hasn't anyone noticed?

We are SO fucked!!!!

ecu @ 64:

General_Rennenkampf @ 51:

Andy @ 3:

Fascism wouldn't work in a nation the size of the US, it's a system built for smaller nations with smaller land areas. It would require some sort of Sovietism to rule a US-size nation with autocracy, for the good and simple reason that a nation this size has too many areas to hide in for guerilla activity. Whatever the failings of Soviet autocracy in some areas, one thing it was damned good at that Nazism wasn't was beating guerilla movements on its own soil.

Nonsense, in the tech age it'd be easy and a lot of information about anybody is out there already.

Horst @ 61:

#51 Gen R.
"Whatever the failings of Soviet autocracy in some areas, one thing it was damned good at that Nazism wasn’t was beating guerilla movements on its own soil."

You mean like the Chechnyans? Or the Afganistanis?

@ Horst: The Chechnyans are fought more by today's Russian army, a far cry from the old Red Army. Evidently you can't read the words "On their own soil.", because unless evil garden gnomes were keeping the true extent of the USSR from us, the Soviets never had the Afghans as an SSR. Don't lecture anyone else on reading comprehension until you learn it yourself, sonny.

@ecu: Not necessarily, the information age requires both money and expertise just to make the technology work, and then there's the issue of separating the white noise from what is and isn't real. It's much easier to be an autocrat with a medieval level of technology and a smaller population base than 21st Century technology and a population greater than the Soviet one. And one reason the USSR imploded was the expenses of attempting autocracy over a huge area with a large population. Autocracy gets harder and harder with technological advances.

Obviously, anybody who speaks in universal sign language is a terrorist..they're speaking in code. But, I'm sure they've all already been identified and selected for deportation to the DoHS death detention facilites that are springing up like weeds all over the country.

TLO = AmeriKan version of the Nazi SS.

Signs of potential terrorist activity:

Photos of no apparent aesthetic value. So these jackbooted thugs were trained as photographers and have a working knowledge of aesthetics?

Conversing in code. Eggplant. Eggplant. Eggplant. Blink. Blink. (Remember, the first was asserted as a code word in the case we stapled Jose Padilla to, and the blinking was suggested by a conservative whackjob columnist as a reason for escorting Padilla to and from his cell while blindfolded.) Should we just stipulate 'code' as being 'anything these Chekists don't understand'?

Making measurements or notes. Ever heard of GPS? Do you really think terrorists write operations orders like, "Turn left and proceed three feet. You will see an access panel precisely 6.2489 inches above the ground ..." Or do you believe information about public buildings is not available elsewhere?

Espousing extremist beliefs. Like what? Saying we're living in a fascist state, with decor by Norman Rockwell? You really think terrorists are going to stand in downtown Denver and pass out leaflets?

When the system fails to catch terrorists, its attention will be directed at other targets.

Donald Hussein Cormac @ 54:

"or conversing in code"

You mean, like when I eak-spay ig-pay atin-Lay? Oy, gevalt. Oh-oh - more code speak~!! (:>

But I thought speaking in tongues was something True Christians did when moved by the Holy Spirit?!?!