Verdict: Rove Refuses To Testify Before House
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You knew it was going to happen. For all his big talk about being happy to talk to the House Judiciary Committee looking into the conviction and incarceration of Don Siegelman, when push came to shove, you had to know that Karl Rove would never, ever freely respond to the HJC subpoena. CQPolitics:
Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, cited executive privilege as the reason that the former White House adviser would not appear before the Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee on July 10.[..]
"Mr. Rove will respectfully decline to appear before the Subcommittee on July 10 on the grounds that Executive Privilege confers upon him immunity from process to respond to a subpoena directed to this subject," Luskin wrote.
Luskin renewed an offer that would have Rove submit to an off-the-record, untranscribed interview or answer written questions about the Siegelman case, but not the broader issue of the politicization of the Justice Department.
Not even man enough to stand up for his actions. Hear that, Karl? Not even man enough. Dan Abrams brings NYU Law School Professor Michael Waldman and former HJC counsel Julian Epstein to discuss the latest in Bush League (In)Justice:
Abrams: Okay, Michael, let me start with you: it is clear, Karl Rove is not coming. I mean, the House Judiciary Committee can say as much as they want, we're still hoping, we're still encouraging him to come, we're still insisting that he come, he's not coming. So what do they do now?
Waldman: Well, it's really quite remarkable, as you say, you can just say no to a lawful subpoena from Congress. Congress has a bunch of tools they can use. They can, of course, throw him in jail. There's a jail in the basement of the Capitol. That's probably the extreme remedy. There's all kinds of other things. They can cut off funding, they can hold up nominations, they can bring a lawsuit as has been the case in the Miers...the Harriet Miers contempt case. But what Congress has to have when it looks in its toolbox is not any of these tools but some backbone. Congress is a co-equal branch of government and it needs to stand up for its rights in this.
Backbone in Congress? What's that? I'll believe it when I see the perp walk.
Time to send the cops with cuffs.
Arrest.
His.
Fat.
Ass.
Conyers received Rove's letter of refusal on July 4th. It is now july 8th. Rove should have been held in inherent contempt over the weekend. Conyers is probably preparing another stern letter right now. I'm expecting nothing to happen. The rule of law has totally broken down.
So Conyers plan for this eventuality was .... { ... crickets ...}
What a joke.
This little piggy goes we we we all the way home ...
Cal @ 1:
Second.
Well I guess that's the end of that.
Abbybwood @ 5:
Let's bring this to a vote!!! (Anybody here an authority on Robert's Rules?)
Which cop? Who would have to issue the arrest warrant? Conyers?
Can't we get the Senate side involved in this fight? Leahy? Feingold?
Let's try waterboarding
It's time for the Dems to send Rove another stern letter asking him to re-re-re-reconsider his decision.
Re: MSNBC Chris Matthews: "Can Obama now win over the regular folks, white folks...?"
To: hardball@msnbc.com, phil.griffin@nbc.com, steve.capus@nbc.com, letters@msnbc.com
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Dear Chris Matthews,
I believe you owe your viewers an explanation as exactly what you meant by equating 'white folks' with 'regular folks'.
Would you care to enlighten us? With particular attention to explaining exactly what makes non-white folks so non-regular?
Yours truly,
Name
City
Progressives want to believe that the House and Senate are just putting up with this so that politically the Democrats can win back the Presidency, House, and Senate. Unfortunately when the Democrats do win back these bodies, there will be no accountability for the assault on America and the Democrats will join in more fully in the destruction of America. Progressives will be saying "But we put up with all of this so that Democrats would win and cause some accountability. We went along with you Democrats with your supposed political strategy, but now look, you aren't doing any accountability." Then progressives will start hoping again something will change by writing letters and such. It's pathetic.
White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism @ 10:
To Matthews and Buchanan, "regular folks" are whites and Irish Catholics, whereas "exotics" are blacks and other minorities.
Conyers is a paper tiger. More pencil-pushing to come. The Dems are all theater, all the time. Worse than complicit. I knew this Rove stuff would come to nothing.
Reno @ 8:
Co-signed
He can't spare his valuable time away from his Faux gig, spreading propaganda for McCain.
He needs to get McCain elected in a very bad way.
How about a citizens arrest? Who wants to do it?
It's up to the American Citizenry. Nancy Pelosi and others are not doing their job. We must unites.
Karl Rove is at the center of nearly every Bush Administration scandal:
* 2000: the Stolen Election in Florida, when he was the Campaign Manager
* 2002: the massive Iraq War lies campaign when he chaired the powerful White House Iraq Group (WHIG)
* 2002: the corrupt political prosecution of Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman
* 2003: the appointment of GOP political hacks to lead reconstruction in Iraq, with disastrous consequences
* 2003: helping expose covert CIA operative Valerie Plame to punish her husband Joe Wilson for exposing Bush's State of the Union lie about uranium from Niger
* 2004: the Stolen Election in Ohio, when he was the "Architect"
* 2005: steering FEMA help after Hurricane Katrina to Mississippi under Republican Governor Haley Barbour while denying FEMA help to Louisiana under Democratic Governor Kathleen Blanco
* 2006: the firing of honest U.S. Attorneys to replace them with "loyal Bushies"
Despite having a top policy-making job in the White House, Karl Rove used Republican email accounts for 95% of his communications, in defiance of the Presidential Records Act. Now most of Rove's emails have been "scrubbed," in defiance of explicit instructions from Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in 2004.
The Senate and House issued subpoenas to compel Karl Rove to testify under oath and turn over his White House and RNC records, but Karl Rove is defying those subpoenas.
Source: http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/106
Reno @ 8:
Time for Conyers to live up to his word and start kicking ass. Or was that just another empty threat?
They should make a Supreme Court case of this.
There is no Executive Immunity in the Constitution.
Even if there were that would be for the Chief Executive's receiving advice.
But in this case it's a case between two men
An abuse of power.
And contingent with the traditional Executive Immunity is Congressional Oversight, how can turdblossom claim one without respecting the other?
The problem is the Supreme Court is so packed with fascists now who knows how they'll define Executive Priviledge?
How, exactly, is jail an extreme in this circumstance? This guy is following in the footsteps of others that did not face jail. That is why he is doing this. If this Congress allows this they might just as well all go home. Jail is not an extreme, it is the only real course of action.
Hosea @ 13:
It's nothing less than a total abrogation of their constitutional duties as elected officials. Just pathetic.
Doesn't Congress have the ability to compel witnesses to appear before them?
Afterall, why else would all those people show to McCarthy's hunt?
Or is that one of the things the slim majority the Democrats hold would have trouble passing without republicans?
So Executive Privilege applies only if he has to testify under oath, but doesn't apply if he can testify under his own set of terms and conditions?
theWalrus @ 21:
Animal Farm and we are not the pigs.
The world's oldest baby is again acting like a big baby.
Force feed him some cod liver oil and dump him in his crib.
Nancy Pelosi to urge Judiciary committee NOT to go forward with contempt against Karl Rove.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34610
Traitor Pelosi is urging the Judiciary committee NOT to go forward with contempt against Rove.
http://www.washingtonforimpeachment.org/blog/index.php?entry=entry080707...
Pelosi Opposing Contempt for Rove - Call Now 800-828-0498, 800-459-1887 or 800-614-2803
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&f...
Kowardly Karl.
Another example of Unfair and Imbalanced at Faux News and the Cheney Administration.
Just keep right on talking Karl. Only those Conservative fools believe you.
Anyone else getting the following message when they bring up the Crooks and Liars website? I have been getting it for the last few days.
A script in this movie is causing adobe flash player 9 to run slowly. If it continues to run, your computer may become unresponsive. Do you want to abort the script?
OCD.
Oh, scary isn't it Rove; receiving a subpeona and ignoring. Bet he, like H. Miers/J.Bolten
is shaking in his shoes. I mean after all, Conyers will soon(I suspect) send Rove one of
those harsh,stearn, strongly worded threatening letters "demanding" he appear. And
as in previous instances when Conyers used same tactic, guess what happened? ZIP
SHOCKING!!!
Since when is "Deputy Chief of Staff" a part of the executive branch for purposes of executive privilege? I don't see "Deputy Chief of Staff" in Article 2 of the Constitution.
Can W's chambermaid cite executive privilege too?
White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism @ 10:
Is this the type of democracy we want to export at the barrel of a gun to the Middle East? Where one branch of government steamrolls the other and party operatives defy congressional subpoenas?
notKeith @ 2:
Along with the rest of him.
Which cop? Who would have to issue the arrest warrant? Conyers?
Can't Conyers just send the Sargent at Arms to go get him?
how can turdblossom claim one without respecting the other?
Silly rabbit. He doesn't respect the Congress or the Constitution.
many people want to get on the present congress.....well
the executive branch is not respectful of them....they are impossible...secrecy,signing statements,executive privalege,veto.........rove strong armed somebody down in alabama and it put siegelman in jail...
Time to call up the Sgt. at Arms Ms. Pelosi.
Yeah, Rove has no problem talking about these issues on a Fox show or in his pathetic writing in a newspaper or magazine, but put him under oath? No way.
There in one sure way to make this tyrannical nut STFU, put him under oath.
Orangutan. @ 26:
I will say it again. Pelosi will lead Obama around by the nose - just look at FISA.
I was begging for Wexler to get support to be the Speaker of the House and the comments I got was "Pelosi is God. She will bring em down".
How did that work out?
Will the "journalists" at Faux News ask Rove why he doesn't want to testify under oath and be transcribed?
kerplunk @ 28:
Yes. It's a bug in flash scripting. As blogs incorporate more ads (many of which are flash-based) this error is becoming more common. C&L seems particuarly bad. I get this error almost every day. Unfortunately, there's no fix for it at the moment. Sometimes I can't even access the site becauseof it. It's a real PITA.
Nicole,
Of course I think this is a great thing to post. Karl Rove should be handcuffed and dragged off to jail. But I have also had the uneasy feeling that Crooks and Liars has lately been ignoring Obama's slide toward the mushy middle. We need to hold our own side accountable for going along with the Bush administration. Karl sucks. But I'm currently more concerned about why Obama is supporting FISA and wanting to EXPAND the Faith-based Initiative. Okay, I'll shut up now.
kerplunk @ 28:
Yep, have been receiving same pop up for at least two days..
Turd Blossom needs that nice quite cell in the basement of the capital.
Vic @ 38:
Waterboard him.
notKeith @ 2:
Not.
Gonna.
Happen.
Cuz truth and justice are...
Off.
The.
Table.
As the editorial in the Nation says this week;the only way to get these people to testify,or to get the records Congress needs is to impeach Bush and his gang.There is no Executive Privilege during an Impeachment.
Which brings us to the backbone question;ie., he`s gonna walk.
What now? More baseless fucking threats?
God damn what craven weasels.
Since 2001 I have repeatedly said that I am in an abusive relationship with my government. At first I was referring to the Repugs, but the Dems are even worse. I expect the Repukes to act like schoolyard bullies, but for Dems to bend over and take it, is an abomination of Herculean proportions. Nothing will happen. Rove will continue to pontificate on Faux News and the sheeple will be happy to graze contentedly. Happily sucking on fast food crap full of sugar and grease. Happy to have someone tell them when to walk, sit, take a crap, and be absolutely silent. I try to have sympathy for people, but it becomes harder with each passing day.
Abbybwood @ 7:
Is this a joke?
To hell with the Senate getting involved call DC PD and have them frog walk Rove down town.
John Conyers in action. "If you know that there's Treason going on, you can be held accountable for Treason yourself"
Part of me is screaming for the Dems in congress to show some backbone and part of me is saying wait until after the elections when Bush can't pardon anyone.
theWalrus @ 40:
FYI, it seems to happen less with FireFox...
Rove and the Bush Administration are extremist in their running of the Whitehouse. I say the Congress should go the the extreme and have Rove arrested. No more fooling around. Just drag the guy into the basement of Congress, lock the door and leave him there.
Forget prison, they'll need to setup a trough and a pigsty...too expensive for that piece of shit.
Head for the slaughter house, and make some Rove-rinds .
theWalrus @ 40:
I haven't gotten the error. Oh that's right...I threw my Windows based PC out the window last year.
Go figure.
Pelosi's voice mail is full. Go figure.
The contempt for Congress is stunning, but not new.
If Congressional Democrats cared about institutional prerogatives they would have penalized this kind of behavior a long time ago.
They care about winning the White House, and have judged that pursuing the small fry gets in the way of the big prize.
Rather than laying out a bipartisan multi-year strategy to reclaim Congressional power, they have decided to go with the system that gives all power to the Executive and Congress merely rubber stamps. It's an interesting choice. Do they make that choice because they believe that Congress cannot effectively be the leading branch of government? Or because they prefer to exercise PARTY power through control of the White House.
Are they acting in a passive way, and playing for the White House, rather than Congressional perogative because they think that they are structurally and politically incapable of exerting power... or because they believe that they can better exercise power (for their respective parties) by focusing on partisan control of the White House.
In a sense the struggle for the White House is a reflection of the partisan nature of Congress. Giving up on creating a strong Congress across party lines, party leaders in Congress subordinate everything to gaining control of the White House for their side... and sacrifice Congressional power for that end.
Thus partisanship in Congress feeds, or coincides, with the growing power of the executive... totalitarianism. And again, is this what Democratic party leaders want... or what they believe they have no option but to pursue. I believe that it is what Republicans want.
Could Republicans and Democrats come together on an agenda to restore Congressional power against the authoritarian executive? Unclear to me
I begged for Wexler to be the Speaker of the House.
Comments I got was "Pelosi is God. She will bring em down".
She is going to lead Obama around by the nose. Just look at FISA.
Ugh.
Must be nice being above the law.
Just goes to show you, it's the "just-us" system in America, land of equality... just us folks with money and power who just happen to be the ones more equal than others.
It's not America, it's Animal Farm meets 1984
harley @ 58:
Liar.
Representative Conyers - You clearly need some education. See, when a piglet like Rove refuses to answer questions put before him under oath, it's possible (though not likely) that Executive Privilege is in play.
However, the same piglet -- along with piglet friends like Harriet Miers -- is not allowed to simply not show up. That is called Contempt of Congress.
With all due respect, Representative Conyers, buy yourself a friggin' clue, and perform your SWORN OATH to protect the Constitution, among other things needing a backbone.
And if all else fails, grab an encyclopedia.
Let it drag out until bush is out of office and then bush can't pardon him if he's found guilty.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 60:
Sorry, troll. Them the facts. "You can't handle the truth".
Could Republicans and Democrats come together on an agenda to restore Congressional power against the authoritarian executive? Unclear to me
No. Ever since Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace, the Republicans have been on a misson to destroy the Democratic Party.
Rove has nothing to worry about. I'm sure the criminal Nancy Pelosi has his back covered.
of cooooooouuuuurse!
Nancy Pelosi is a Traitor and not upholding her oath to defend the Constitution. Who the fuck does she think she is to have the power to take impeachment out of the equation. Impeachment is a duty that must be implemented when Treason occurs in the Nation. It isn't a political tool. It is a safety valve that is meant to remain intact.
Rasputin @ 51:
He can`t pardon anyone when he`s under impeachment.
The issues have already been covered in comments 26, 21, 18, and 9. May I add that almost all of the Democrats in Congress are PUSSIES - or criminals. It's maddening and saddening!
Zzzzzzz......snark...Zzzzzzzzzz.......Wake me when the Democrats actually do something about it.
pissed off patricia @ 62:
Obama has characterized this sort of thing as the "politics of the past". I would be very surprised if he pursued any charges against BushCo once elected President. But I can tell you this: the Republicans and Rightwing will parse, slice & dice every word President Obama utters and, given an opportunity, will not hesitate to impeach him.
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Heck, the House Madame is insisting that her House boy, John Conyers, NOT issue a contempt citation to Rover.
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Bummer all the comments were removed from the pre/after 2006 election/Speaker of the House selection threads.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/the-house/nancy-pelosi/page/3/
Orangutan. @ 67:
I agree.
ARREST THE Worst HOUSE SPEAKER!
theWalrus @ 71:
No reason to speculate on that. Obama's on record. He won't.
harley @ 63:
Apparently ""You can't handle the truth", troll, because you are making up quotes, troll.
A coward and a criminal.....here is to the 59 million jackals who voted to restore integrity to the White House.
notKeith @ 2:
Yup. Right f*ckin' now.
The House MUST act - there is no reason not to, for several reasons:
- Rove is challenging Congress' rights under the constitution. This CANNOT be allowed to stand. If it does, checks and balances are DEAD.
- During the Watergate scandal, the Supreme Court ruled against Nixon's claim of executive privilege regarding the tapes. If a president doesn't have executive protection of records of his own conversations, how can a staff member claim the same privilege?
- Tactically, they have to compel Rove to testify as a first step. Rove will probably refuse to answer questions in the chair, or try to avoid testifying at all via a court injunction invoking executive privilege. Either way, the courts will become involved. Best for Congress to force the issue to avoid further delay, which only helps Rove.
- Politically, it will be highly advantageous to nail Rove during the last months of the election campaign.
harley @ 73:
No, they are there, troll. I haven't found one comment calling her "God", troll. ”You can’t handle the truth”, troll.
harley @ 73:
Just click on "comments". They pop up.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 76:
Ha ha. All that support thrown behind Pelosi is not working out for you? I guess you can flip flop since the comments were removed.
"Time to call up the Sgt. at Arms"
Or at least start making a real stink about it, Dems. If the Dems in Congress can't make a BIG issue out of this (latest and most blatant example of) Executive branch abuse and contempt, they deserve to get screwed.
theWalrus @ 64:
Right you are... but Nixon invented the imperial Presidency, so the Republicans threw their hat in with that idea, and interpreted assertions of Congressional privilege as partisanship.... when they were ultimately about the balance of power between the Presidency and Congress.
Now Democrats have given up the principled stand for Congressional power, and bought into the Republican framing of party uber alles, in which the only game that really matters is control of the White House.
My question is whether the Democrats have done that as a concession to a reality they cannot change... or because they too now believe that party trumps branch perogatives.
And could anything lead Republicans and Democrats to agree that assertions of Congressional perogatives matter more than the specifics of party control over the White House. In other words, could the fight over party control be an ongoing face to face one in Congress, rather than a once every four years one for the White House?
Could Congress agree to take itself seriously? If it did, it could stop caring about which party ran the White House and make the President what he should be... a humble servant of Congress, carrying out the missions and directives of the sovereign people's assembly.
harley @ 81:
Try again, troll, the comments are still there, troll. ”You can’t handle the truth”....no one called her a "God", troll, ”You can’t handle the truth” Ha ha.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 79:
That is because the comments were removed. There are many members here that remember those type of comments so be careful there Dr.
Charlie Brown + Lucy - Football = The Last Eight years.
Razzamatazz @ 23:
To top it off, he's also stated that he never talked to anyone in the White House or the DoJ about the Siegleman affair. If he didn't involve the WH or DoJ, how can his testimony be covered by Executive Privilege?
yet, fat-face rove will continue to spew his ramblings on faux news, and other media outlets.
i am going to go punch some inanimate object, it will help.
StirFry @ 54:
As a teenager I had a girlfriend whose father had a slaughter house, and I saw some pigs get slaughtered. Not a pretty sight - not to be forgotten 60 years later (never).
Now with those memories I would almost look forward to watching a repeat performance with rove at the rear of the line so he could see how it is , or was, done. You would see what a turdblossem turns into. A blob of shit.
harley @ 85:
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Riiiiiiight, they were "removed", troll!!!!! Your desperation is sinking you, troll. Please find these "member" that remember those comments. I've been here longer than most. We'll wait.....troll
harley @ 85:
Troll, what was your moniker prior to a few months ago, troll?
Republican criminals are openly contemptuous toward the Democratic Congress… and why not… when push comes to shove the Dems are all hat and no cattle.
Classic quote from the "An historic day" thread (regarding Pelosi becoming the Speaker):
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"Sweet. Now it's time for a quickie Impeachment. Drop a big "I" on the Chimperor and Vice."
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"Quickie impeachment" means off the table?
Just asking.
harley @ 93:
Troll, what was your moniker prior to a few months ago, troll?
Just asking.
harley = an RNC/McGrampa operative. Fact.
You've been exposed.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 94:
Oh, proven wrong and you pull the same trick of attack.
Deny, proven wrong, attack. So Rove - ian.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 94:
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 90:
Gawd. Where's the site monitor?
harley @ 96:
You haven't proved anything, troll. Where are the "God" comments, troll?
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 95:
You are a total waste of time. This board needs an ignore feature.
harley @ 96:
I asked for proof of these comments, you attacked, so Rovian.
Nicole? Can you put a hose on these two?
harley @ 99:
I'll be proven right. You haven't existed here that long. I know, because I have. You and Johnny2Bad both sit here all day attacking Obama in tandem. That's hardly a coincidence. You'll both be exposed as reich-wing trolls.
Johnny2Bad @ 101:
You should be first.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 102:
Paleeze. Check out my moniker and get back to me.
Fool me once, as the saying goes. We've been fooled 500 times by the Dem congress. Still in Iraq? Check. Spying still going on? Check. More and more billions going to the war effort? Check. Impeachment off the table? Check. Rove untouchable? Check.
Perhaps it is time to wake up and realize that these people are not working for us. We are alone, and we'd better start figuring out an alternative.
Johnny2Bad @ 104:
What's there to check out? You haven't been there that long. You and harley are both reich-wing trolls. Fact.
kerplunk @ 28:
Yes, I've gotten that periodically for a couple of weeks.
Wait wait wait wait...Hold up a second.
Turdblossom is claiming executive priv? On the Siegelman case? Is he trying to say that the President himself is somehow involved in the incarceration of the former governor? That's some big ass news there if you ask me.
As far as his refusal to testify... stop wasting time and ARREST HIM. Put his ass in chains in the basement of the Capitol building and give him 3 hots and cot until he decides to cooperate.
And could anything lead Republicans and Democrats to agree that assertions of Congressional perogatives matter more than the specifics of party control over the White House. In other words, could the fight over party control be an ongoing face to face one in Congress, rather than a once every four years one for the White House?
I see no easy answer. The system has become so fear-based and corrupted. The Clinton impeachment coup attempt cracked the Democratic Party wide open. Other than congressmen referring to each other as "..my dear friend.." there's real, palpable hatred for each other. I place the blame on the Republican Party. As anyone can see, they have morphed into a demonstrably intolerant, fanatical, pseudo-religious, power-hungry and morally tyrannical party. They are truly a danger to the existence of this country.
I have the sinking feeling that, once again, nothing will be done. I have the sinking feeling that my vote is a meaningless joke. It is probable that we are in a world of shit. Buh-bye Constitution.
Protect the Constitution. Send him where he belongs: JAIL.
I can't wait until boosh suspends the constitution with Pelosi and Reid at his side.
Nancy Pelosi's 'mandate for change' Congress hits single digits approval ratings.
October, 2006-- San Fran Nan vows to clean the swamp.
Long on promises, short on action.
Waldman: Congress is a co-equal branch of government and it needs to stand up for its rights in this.
Sure. When monkeys fly out of our collective butts.
meanwhile, is msm-land, the big story is *drum roll*
a-rod and madonna!!!!
until the msm decides that the constitution, the rule of law and national security are important topics, rove will walk the land unencumbered by his trail of lies and death.
As long as this isn’t a national issue the congress will allow itself to be an unequal branch of the government.
Whodathunk that Hamiltonian federalism would take 221 years to be adopted by our “elected leaders”
Samson- @ 115:
They are waiting for the next Obama "controversy" to be uncovered. In the mean time, they'll continue to defend McGrampa and provide distraction "news" like ARod and Madonna.
theWalrus @ 109:
I agree that the Republicans started us down the road of partisanship over Congressional perogatives... but the Democrats are now partners... and while the Republicans like that system because it feeds executive authority (and they are authoritarians mostly), it is unclear to me whether Democrats like the resulting outcome and actually support the authoritarian Presidency... or whether they simply feel powerless to contest it, and so play the game and diminish Congressional power in the name of winning their own party shot at an authoritarian Presidency.
Or it could be both... the Democrats both like the emerging authoritarian system AND feel powerless to change it.
According to this link Madam Pelosi has just come out AGAINST Conyers going after Rove. It's "off the table":
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34610
Afterdowningstreet wants all of us to call the various members of the House Judiciary Committee and tell them to go after Rove.
Time to clean out that jail under the Capitol.
Ahhh pity the liberal left!!!
"Boo-hoo! the Demagogocrats let us down again!!!!"
We're shocked -- shocked! -- that they would sell us out in a secret bargain with the Roves of this world. (Hear me Nancy Pelosi? Hillary? Dianne Feinstein? Chuck Schumer? All you Wwolfowitzes-in-liberals clothing! Frauds and polite-speaking shredders of the Constitution! Draft-dodging, flag-draping, patri-oids!! Shredders of peoples lives!! Cowards!! Eaters of broken meats!!)
Haven't we learned by now that the Democratic party is part of the grand hegemonic bargain that has made every president from Reagan to Dubya??? Fix your gaze on that 30-odd percent slice of Dems who are midwestern/southern, white, xian, maybe evangelical, etc. -- the ones Hillary so notoriously hankered after as she ran against Barack Obama. This is the star chamber that (mis)leads the Democratic party away from anything resembling a true opposition.
You saw what these clowns recently did with FISA -- a Faustian bargain that lets the telecoms walk (when they should be perp-walked!) and which will give the government waaay too much power to know what you did last summer!!! Are we really that unsafe? I think not. And if we are, frankly, I would rather take my chances than let our monstrous national security and surveillance apparatus roam freely without any oversight or accountability.
THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
Wake up and smell the coffee: Rove is untouchable. So is Bush. Democrats will never call for any sort of amends from these criminals. Conyers? Ha! The man speaks like he is drunk half the time. And sure he did some great hearing work when he was in the minority. But then -- after promising impeachment, or impeachment lite -- he became invisible in 2007. Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table -- boy do I want to impeach her one!! -- and that, as they say, was that. These Dems have a lot to hide themselves. They have Iraqi blood on their hands, just like Bush, Cheney, Rummy, and Wolfie.
End of rant: The reason they all get away with it is that they know -- Dems and Repukes -- that progressives will always vote Democratic in the end. They always do. (Suckers!!!)
How much does "Dog" the bounty hunter charge? I'm in for a c-note! It would be worth it to see the looks on the faces of the HJC when Karl gets dragged into the committee chambers on Thursday trussed up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Seeing turdblossom crying and in shackles would make me very happy.
Oh please, please, please, please let him be just the first of this criminal administration to fall. Maybe Congress as a whole was able to have stem cell implants and actually grew a spine over the 4th holiday break! I won't hold my breath.
Can someone give me a civics lesson - once Bush is out of office does executive privilege extend to any of the bastards? i prefer to wait until Bush can't pardon him then try him for fucking treason and hang his little fat ass.
Keep dreaming Fat Karl is above the law. If that fails they have those stocks of NSA intercepts to fall back on. The Judge doesn't want people knowing about him and the little boys he'll find a way to turn him loose.
It's almost an oxymoron: spineless democrats. And you can't even call it Stockholm Syndrome.
harley @ 85:
The comments are there; just click on the word "comments" I read every single comment, and there's no mention of Pelosi being a God or any other type of diety.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 106:
I have an ignore button. It's right next to the any key.
E in MD @ 108:
No, No! Bread and water and a cold, hard stone for a pillow!
BaScOmBe hearts Lara Logan @ 126:
"Any" key? I see the Ctrl, Alt, Esc.....hmmmmmm
;)
The US government has been taken over by mafioso.
The Executive is run by the Bush mafioso and the Congress is run by their henchmen and bagmen.
Both 'branches' conspire to defeat the judiciary, either by appointing stooges for judges or writing laws that turn honest judges INTO stooges.
We are doomed.
Well..looks like Turd-Fart wins!
Problem is tolerating Republican lawlessness won't buy Obama any slack if he loses his Congressional majority.
Path to actual power involves (1) don't offend Middle America by going after the Administration; (2) don't lose control over Congress. Anything less, and the Democrats think they are screwed. And I'll bet they've focus group tested every option they've got and discovered that people won't look kindly on Congressional exercise of power... which is a testament to the antidemocratic spirit and the authoritarian spirit that has taken over the hearts of Americans.
Bad as Bush is, he still beats Congress in the approval polls, and that's all Congress needs to know to stay away from exerting power.
Where are the trailer trash, pickup truck, hound dog lovin' bubbas when we need them? NRA target practice on little piggy?
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 116:
There, that's
bettermore accurate.Arrest Karl Rove? Are you kidding? The Democrats couldn't find the courage to T.P. the tree in his yard.
Congress has a bunch of tools they can use.
Congress IS a bunch of tools... They may as well all pack their briefcases and go home, they aren't representing "we the people".
BaScOmBe hearts Lara Logan @ 112:
You don't have long to wait. The FISA vote is coming right up.
bajaboy @ 125:
I think it's safe to say that one or both of them have been exposed as reich-wingers. It is awfully suspicious that these two are here at the same time, every day, attacking the Democrats and Obama, and yet they claim to be "progressives", "liberals", or whatever. I'm not a paranoid person, but this is hardly a coincidence especially since we know the reich-wingers are paid to post at liberal blogs while posing as Dems.
mike @ 131:
Mike: Point(s) well made and taken. Congress approval rating now is "single diget"
so they cannot afford to have a rating lesser than ZERO; just about what most of us
would, if ask, give bush..
If Nancy Pelosi is really asking for the House to not arrest Karl Rove, she is even more of an invertebrate than I thought possible. Somebody in BushCo must have the photos or messages of some terrible things for this to be happening...or the Dems have just forfeited any respect that I had for them.
IF you don't like what you are hearing and seeing get off the computer and march for pete's sake. All the comments in the world mean nothing if action is not taken. A little group can lead to a bigger group until you are no longer ignored. And make sure the news covers it and keep doing it. Make sure it is lead by a leading democrat who can speak to the media.
This two-party system is a professional wrestling show. They go through the impressive antics, compete for the prized belt, have silly soap operas to entertain us with drama and the illusion of opposing forces, but afterward they cash our check and party together, and dream up their next drama and antics. Create a problem to step in and solve it with a solution that we would not accept if presented outright. Guide them down the path they don't even see/ would not accept.
bajaboy @ 127:
You want him to sleep on Cheney's heart? Isn't that cruel and unusual punishment?
bajaboy @ 125:
I did likewise. Might be confusing as C&L was using HaloScan for commenting back in '06. A quick read thru found that the average comment went something like...
"Congratulations Ms. Pelosi and you better do your job..."
Check them out here and see for yourself.
Yes, indeed. Time to arrest this guy. Any one of us would've been incarcerated by now if we had refused a subpoena. Why is this guy above the law? We never even elected him, yet he's got more privilege than any of us.
Robert Luskin: “Mr. Rove will respectfully decline to appear before the Subcommittee on July 10 on the grounds that Executive Privilege confers upon him immunity from process to respond to a subpoena directed to this subject,”
Conyers: "So."
It's shows our HOR has no power whatsoever! It's a joke, a sham, a fiasco of a governing body!
Didn't he inherit shackles of some sort?
We could use those.
daily plummet @ 119:
So let me get this straight...Republicans are crooked evil bastards who are destroying the Constitution, making a mockery of the law and laughing at Congress. But we're supposed to vote for them anyway because Democrats are helping them.
YEAH THAT'LL CHANGE THINGS! Lets elect the ones we already know are criminals! WOO! YEAH! YE-HAW!
Riiiiight. Move along douchebag. You're obviously in the wrong place.
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