Physician, Heal Thyself
I generally don't worry too much about how my posts go over with right wing folks. Obviously, Crooks & Liars is a political opinion site (it says so right in our commenting policy) and therefore, I'm going to give my opinion. Most of the time, John and I aren't too far off from each other in the way that we view things and I usually check with John on which posts I am doing so he knows that I'm representing his site as he would want. And I try to be careful. I don't always get things right, but for the most part, I think even if you don't agree with me, you can see where I'm coming from.
So that makes the email John got this morning in response to the post I did about The Chris Matthews Show discussing shakeups in the McCain campaign staff amusing. It seems that Noel Sheppard of Newsbusters.org (the site dedicated to "exposing & combating liberal media bias") thought that my characterization of the Chris Matthews panel glossing over McCain's campaign difficulties was "too partisan" to be acceptable publishing material for C&L.
Moi? Too partisan? (I'll ignore for the moment that Sheppard works for that hack Brent Bozell--who actually filed a suit on a Buffy TVS episode--and I work for John Amato--let's line up their statements side by side and see who has been utterly and completely wrong more often. Quick hint, Noel: It ain't John.) How about the hubris it takes for a right wing blogger to tell John Amato what he should and should not publish on his site and who should or shouldn't be a front pager? Shall we look at the kind of work Mr. Sheppard thinks is appropriately publishable for the internets? (Warning: every link gives Newsbusters a hit)
Brokaw Proposes McCain-Bashing Democrat TV Ad
Washington Post Op-ed: 'Phil Gramm Is Right'
Ben Stein: Media Are Whipping Us Into Economic Despair
Clean Air Causes Global Warming, Global Warming Causes Smog
Liberal Hypocrisy: Jackson's Nuttiness Funny If About Cheney
Is Wikipedia Promoting Global Warming Hysteria?
You know the old saying about people in glass houses, Noel? Maybe you should put down that rock now, because that crystal condo in which you reside looks a little fragile.
I thunk that said physician feel thyself.
A doctor playing doctor with himself.
Will he send a bill?
Ding a ling a ling a ling..
Hello. Hello.
Helloooo
Hi there John. I was thinking that your site is too unfair. Could you please replace this Nicole person with somebody much more fair and balanced. Somebody along the line of … oh… Michele Malkin. I know, I know. Ok. How about Anne. Anne Coulter. Nicole is way to far left to have a fair and balanced web site. Thank you.
Can we just jettison the 10 deepest red states and change the flag from 50 stars to 40? We would be able to undo all the damage done this nation by the conservatives over the past 10 years a lot faster and advance as a civilized nation and enlightened society much quicker.
It seems that ehe right wing media machine, and those of MSM tht are part of the machine, are reticent to admit to the failings of Mc Cain. It always seems that they are part of a patchwork, glue and whatever is necessary in hand, to keep the dam from beaking: John Mc Cain has serious problems. The problem is the sheeplike public either can't nor desires to figure this out themselves. There is far too much power in the Fourth Estate.
Nero's fiddleing will be resounded as a great orchestral feat as the country burns. Unlike the Phoenix, it may never arise again.
And they wonder why they are going to lose in November. Look at the unbridled arrogance and utter disgrace of the bill of rights that their email says.
First off it's anyones right to say what they want, so why are they the police of the blogs? Why not complain about right wing blogs that pander to the ignorance of people with their peddling of the Obama is an American hating Muslim? The second they stand up to their own, then I might listen to them.
John Amato has to absolutely save that email. It must be some sort of joke. Do other liberal websites get this kind of email from right wing lunatic sites?
Is this a new tactic to try to put a stop to people learning the truth about how fucked up the right wing loonies are?
i apologize....i gave them one hit....and then recovered....are those people real (or americans???)...what planet are they from....?
Does he actually believe that John will fire one of his staff just because an email from a right-wing hack says so?
'Right-wing' and 'delusional' really do go hand in hand...
Someone from the Brent Bozowell's right wing hacktastic newsbusters whining about the partisanship of a Liberal website is predictable, that's what they do. In their world, it's only fair for Conservatives to be partisan and God forbid that any media outlet should even be slightly objective and not completely obsequious to right wing politicians when reporting the news. They despise and fear objectivity and demand "balance" as a journalistic standard. That way their lies, unsupported by facts, can have an equal place at the table with the truth.
I would have just marked his e-mail as spam, but thanks Nicole for allowing Noel Sheppard to reveal his complete douchebaggery (as if we didn't already know).
Any website who's claim to fame is to show the blatant "liberal media bias" gets no hits from me. Only corporate paid hacks would even consider that as anything even remotely true. Glad you posted that Nicole! Give 'em hell!
So Noel Sheppard is the new Minister of Internet Protocol, Culture and Truthiness? I didn't get the memo or I would have joined his prestigious non-partisan society. You know the society, with the global-warming-is-a-liberal-conspiracy theorists, the "lets all just close our eyes and tap our shoes to keep the economy strong" folks...
Gee, sorry, Mr. Sheppard.
"Is Wikipedia Promoting Global Warming Hysteria?"
lol
Wikipedia is a failure in many areas.
Documenting Global Climate Change is no one of them.
That should read "is not one of them"
Wow, take that as a huge compliment. They actually think that you are apart of the liberal media bias. Congratulations. You matter.
What a PUTZ!
Oh no. I just realized my above post could be construed as highly partisan hate speech by Mr. Sheppard and his ilk. Please forgive, Mr. Sheppard, for not saying "sir".
I predict this e-mail from Sheppard is but the opening salvo of an orchestrated campaign by newsbusters to harass left leaning websites. I wouldn't be half surprised if they open an all out smear campaign with possible specious nuisance suits to follow in an attempt to create havoc for Liberal media outlets before the election.
No Nicole, they don't amount to a thimbleful of pigeon shit. In fact it is really disgusting that they crafted their name from the prestigious Adbusters and I would alert Kalle there as he will surely be infuriated.
Wingnuttia is at the ends of its rope, a last gasp and, once again, A CANARY FART in a sawmill of national discontent with an amazingly twisted disconnect from on ground realities
3 Ruthless People
Didn't you post the same exact comment on the church and gun thread?
I don't think you should even respond to these sorts of attacks. Everybody but the rabid 18% of reality deniers knows that people like this are unrepentant liars, dissemblerers, fabricators.
Everybody but the blind followers know these guys are blatant hypocrites and they are unworthy of response. The only thing you can say about the schill is he gives credence to the "ad hominem".
Noel Sheppard. Never heard of him, but from that picture of him on his site, I'd say he looks about as dopey as the current resident of the white house.
The post about the Chris Matthews program was fair and balanced. This post, however, is entirely too "partisan"--whatever the hell that means. I mean really, what party line is he accusing you of towing? The Enabler Party of Queen Nancy and Prince Harry???
Well Nicole I must say that I have noticed a hint of liberal bias in your threads. I forgive you for this for two reasons. The first is that I agree with you and the second is that you make no false pretense of being unbiased. I reserve my contempt for the people who infest the media who are biased and pretend that they are neutral. We all know what "fair and balanced" has come to mean.
The particulate matter that plagued us until we and the Europeans did something about it in the 70s also tended to cause the planet to cool by blocking sunlight.
This caused an early uncertainty about the warming effects of the gases we knew we were putting into the atmosphere.
The atmosphere now has reduced particulate matter and greatly increasing greenhouse gasses and voilá: escalated global warming.
The science is clear if the thinking of this individual and a few others like him is not.
These would be the same folks who characterize Fox News as "fair & balanced"? These are the same people who can politicize every aspect of news reporting twisting the truth until it resembles about 2% of the truth about any issue? These are crybaby whimpy hacks who can dish it out but can't take it. They cry foul when the tide turns against them (or their candidate) but can say anything they want about any Democrat or the Democratic candidate.
These purveyors of the Double Standard are the antithesis of americanism - the traitors to our democracy. I'd tell them to go straight to hell and post anything you desire. After all, we still do have "freedom of the press" don't we??
By the way did anyone notice that picture of Sheppard to the left of his header. Absolutely no Photoshopping required to turn him into a jughead both figuratively and literally.
Come on Nicole, is it April 1st? A right wingnut knuckle dragger proporting to tell C&L what is "appropriate" ? Did they really use that word? You have to, please, please, please, publish the e-mail.
Noel Sheppard can go **** himself. As you so correctly state even yourself can not tell John what to post on his own site.
By the way, here's the page views for newsbusters and C&L. Nuff said?
Come on give these Republican spinners and apologists some credit. You are much too critical! Their high paying jobs are on the line.
They are being asked to justify a true catastrophe. They want to believe that someone, who even many/most conservatives don't really like, can lead them in some kind of positive direction.
What a job they have, and only the money they are getting provides the incentive to keep spinning and BSing. Keep listening, they are very creative.
The scary part is that they may actually believe the crap they're spewing.
He quoted Ben Stein. So, there you go.
I don't trust men named "Noel"
What makes you too partisan while his comments aren't--per him? At least you don't pretend to be non-partisan while writing hacktacular, partisan BS.
Keep it up Nicole.
PARTISAN???? Seriously????? You go Nicole! I know John's got your back.
And really, advice from a reicwing site..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
Fools!
What a whiny conservative, Noel Sheppard is. This is a LIBERAL WEB LOG, Noel. It's only as bias as Little Green Footballs, New Republic, and Townhall is. Go whine about their bias while I LMAO at you.
That site is laugh out loud funny. Most of the posts aren't about the media being biased, but that it isn't conservative. Many of the posts have no further explanation as to why they're being posted on the site, so it'll be a headline like "Media says McCain's campaign is disastrous", a synopsis of what show it was said on, maybe some video and a transcript. But since the story is usually something that's obviously true even to four year olds, it comes across as a head scratcher, and often it's a point that's already been conceded by other conservative media.
The biggest problem with NB's line of thinking is that the comments from their yesmen then read like talking points straight from the Bush administration, fully oblivious to the fact that we have totally witnessed how disastrous these policies have been. That they cling to the driftwood from this sinking ship with more and more excuses supporting their virtual conservative utopia is downright surreal.
I've been totally hooked for a while. It's a hoot over there.
This guy uses Ben Stein as an "expert"? The guy who thinks evolution science was responsible for the holocaust? That's just plain sad.
What's going on? Some asshat sends you a nasty e-mail, so you link him? ***k the Bozos. Delete, Refresh, Repeat.
No disrepect intended. Ya'll do great work.
While agreeing with you, I would recommend different examples for a situation like this, if you really want to impact the other side.
Conservatism is a belief system, just like liberalism, just like other political beliefs, all religious beliefs, etc. As such, there is a certain discrepancy in what each considers a 'fact'. I'm sure that a lot of conservative wingnuts fully believe that the media is liberal, Brokaw and Wikipedia keep doing it, and here's examples. The nation is full of whiners. etc. That's what they believe. (not me.)
OK so when you use these as examples, you're preaching to the choir (us). We believe in Wikipedia's objectivity, Jackson's not nutty, Cheney is, etc. So they look stupid ... to us. But they can feel self-righteous about the same points, because they still believe that stuff.
If you really want to address/hurt them, dig up what they said in 2002-2003 about Saddam: certainly in bed with Osama, 16,000 chem warheads, inspectors a bunch of idiots, etc. Dig up what they said during Katrina: it's all the Mayor's fault, it's all the Dems' faults, 9th district is a bunch of whiners, whatever. Things that are less disputable now.
Unka Noel banished me from NewsBusters:
Noel Sheppard Says:July 15, 2007 - 13:12
Tex,
This animal has been banned. As such, you needn't concern yourself with his disgraceful views.Furthermore, it has been established that his goal was to infuriate members
here. Let's not allow him a victory by paying him any more mind.
spondee @ 37:
No, some [expletive deleted] sent John Amato an email saying that he thought my Chris Matthews Show post was too partisan and that I should be "fired". He has since sent an email to John saying that he thinks this post is "hateful."
My husband calls this post "fightful" and I just call it pushback. To quote Jane Austen, my courage always rises with every attempt to intimidate me. If he had merely disagreed with my post, I would have thought nothing of it, and would have been willing even to discuss it with him.
However, instead, Noel Sheppard thinks he's the arbiter of appropriate levels of partisanship and who should be a front pager on this site while accepting a paycheck himself from Brent Bozell. I am attempting to disavow him of such delusions.
Somehow I knew this nut would cry "hateful". You wonder if he'll figure out that the only way to salvage his "reputation" will be to just back away and go back to posting global warming scientific conspiracy theories.
Right On, Nicole!!! You are one of the more astute members of Mr. Amato's team, if I may say so, and I'm glad to see you posting often with your views. Not merely because I agree with them -- sometimes I see things differently -- but because your first priority seems to be to inform, then to pontificate. I find that such a logical flow lends itself to people forming their own opinions, as opposed to many other blogs (liberal and conservative alike), which, while they each serve a purpose and flavour of their own, tend more towards inviting one to think as they do first, and then present their case as to why their interpretation is the 'truth' of the matter.
Thank You, Nicole, for being such a kewlie on C&L... and J.A. had better not fire you, or he's lost a daily visitor and word-of-mouth advertiser! ;P (note: I doubt he would anywayz)
Can_You_Hear_Me_Now_? @ 27:
no added content, I ju7st had to repost this link to viewer-ship of newsbusters vis-a-vis C&L, just to rub some more sand in his aching cornhole. NO LUBE JOURNALISM, FOLKS!
Ruthless People @ 3:
Hey, I live in Ga and I don't think you want to "jettison" our votes just yet. Some of us are working very hard to turn this red state blue.
We are trying to "enlighten" so come on down and do some door knocking for Obama. Lame54 and I have a spare bedroom if you need a place to stay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXRlG_6Bk-8
Newsbusters? Biggest bunch of bozos on the web. Their idiocy is good for a laugh though.
Mrs Belle. In all Fairness, you should have your column fact checked by Malkin or Coulter wherein they could provide the counter arguments before you publish. Isn't that how the Fairness Doctrine works?
I wonder if Noel has ever heard the expression Pot, Kettle, Black?
Sorry, Noel, but this email of your's is laughable bullsh!t being that you are a partisan wanker and Bozell sycophant. Now you better hurry on back to Bozell - it looks like his coffee needs a refill. Get him a donut with sprinkles while you're at it.
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