Condoleezza Rice: We aren't flip-flopping on Iran
By John Amato Thursday Jul 17, 2008 6:10pm
We're just changing our position. Can't you notice the difference?
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So when Obama says we should start negotiations with Iran or the Irag Study group says the same thing---they are traitors to America, but when Condi and Bush do the same thing it's really not the same thing. Oh, boy. They just lie, lie, lie. I can't wait to never see her on the world stage again. Condi, why are you a Nazi appeaser also?
During a speech in Jerusalem, President Bush jumped head first into the 2008 presidential campaign by taking a shot at Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama, by comparing his willingness to hold diplomatic talks with Iran to the appeasement of Nazis in the 1930's.
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In a surprising development in the tense American-Iranian relationship, the US announced this week that it would send a high-level State Department official to attend talks with Iranian nuclear negotiators in Switzerland over the weekend. This unexpected policy turn comes after a tense, saber rattling summer during which the US, Israel, and Iran have traded threats, staged war games, and tested weapons. But observers suggest that the shift in the US's longstanding tactic of isolating Tehran may be motivated by a desire to ensure that other countries such as China and Russia do not make too many concessions to Iran during the negotiations.
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somebody managed to 'splain them that war with Iran could mean 10 bucks a gallon ?
So will the mainstream media mention that Obama suggested this and was shafted over it? Stewart, show a montage of newscasters reporting the nazi appeaser crap. Olease.
This woman is a political scumbucket.
She should change her name to
Condomlisa Rice and......
just go away.
But first............
How about a little war crimes trial?
is this different than what obama proposed because he said he would meet with leaders of iran personally vs. a third ranking envoy member....or is it because there was preconditions met.......at least according to bush admin.
I can smell the sardines, pig knuckles, and stale beer from here.
Oh wait, that's dinner.
We're no flip-flopping?
Sure.
Obama & Democrats were right all along.
Condoliar Riiiiighht.
Grand mal hypocrisy. Lucky for Dim Son and McSame that the ProfitMedia won't run anything on it. Somebody could make a good ad for Obama with a few choice clips of this huge flip.
Where's the gap in her teeth,
Is that a Chicklet?
DC @ 7:
Situation normal.
However it is impolite to point this out since it makes the GOP and the SCLM look bad.
Oh, and "just in" the AFP site: "Mc Cain predicts "spectacular" terrorist attacks in Iraq in October"... As if there weren't any terrorist attack by now. Does he mean more spectacular than the two days old bombings that killed 15+ people and injured 90+ ?
The guy is insane. Completely and totally full of it.
What a skank. She doesn't have much of a political career left, much less a "legacy" beyond massive war & death, hunh?
Oh wait, maybe she can be McCain's VP candidate so RePukes can prove how "diverse" they are. They have non-white, not ancient war criminals also.
I bet that Prez Chimpy is bent over Cheany's knee right now get a talk to about how we are supposed to be sending bombers not diplomats to Iran.
I can't even watch it, that excuse for a woman makes me want to murder every american I see ....... so I shan't watch it.
escalation is now called a surge
time table is now called time horizon
stay the course is now called sway the course
I wish she would visit Holland. They will hold a nice tribunal just for her.
Keep your hip boots handy and be Rapture Ready. They're up to something.
Rob (Formerly In) Toronto @ 11:
It is funny how all of a sudden the US Foreign Policy is moving forward as soon as BUSHCO started following Obama's and the Democrats leadership.
jeff @ 14:
Time for another "choked on a pretzel" episode?
She's so awful. The Karen Crowder of the Bush Administration. And just like in "Michael Clayton," she will be asked to fall on her sword.
Nothing more than a pathetic errand girl for neocon scum.
What a criminal organization, these neocons and their puppets.
Gee, I never ONCE in my entire LIFE felt threatened by the Iranians, but every single day for the past 7 + years I have had increasing levels of anxiety, disgust, anger and revulsion at everyone in the Bush Administration.
Fuck you Condi.
The "success" of the Bush Foreign Policy:
"We won't negotiate with North Korea!"
North Korea builds 7-9 nuclear bombs and starts test-firing missiles.
"Okay, we'll negotiate with North Korea".
North Korea agrees to dismantle its nuclear program, but keeps its technology.
"We won't negotiate with Iran!"
Iran restarts its nuclear program and starts test firing missiles.
"Okay, we'll negotiate with Iran".
(watch this space).
Why on Earth the Obama campaign isn't highlighting this mess is beyond me. And he should be claiming "victory" over the Iran thing as well, as the Bush Administration finally concedes to negotiate with Iran. And let us not forget that "Time Horizon" agreement with Iraq.
Jo @ 18:
Yepper. Maybe the fools have something planned here and have to withdrawal troops from Iraq and make nice (our team calls time out) with Iran.
Could be martial law. I hope not. I'd hate to have to kill the troops who didn't kill the terrorists so we have to kill the terrorists here because the troops are defending our freedoms there and when they come back they'll be defending our freedoms to live in concentration camps. Thought I would throw in a few sound bites from the insane morons who pretend to lead us.
Isn't Iran, like, occupying Mexico and Canada? Shouldn't someone, like, do something about that?
Wow, I thought Condi was on the International Space Station or something.
Liar.
israel wants war so it will interesting to see how this plays out.....it wouldn't surprise me if we offer something they will refuse......so they can say they tried.....maybe that's pessimistic(sp)....i just don't trust bush
Obama needs to come out strong and commend them for taking his advice.
constituent @ 28:
Being pessimistic is practicing good survival skills.
I don't trust Cheney.
I agree, nycbassist. I'm happy the dumbfuck-in-chief is changing his position and I don't care what his motivations were.
We, as a nation, need to put our sword back in its scabbard. Enough foolishness already.
ex cia opinion regarding israel/u.s./iran and pro-obama
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/45984-ex-cia-ray-mcgovern-on-obama-s-new-w...
Jo @ 30:
your correct he is the culprit...........dr.strangelove
biggest failure as National Security Advisor and most ineffectual Secretary Of State
EVER - there's Condi's legacy.
now off to the private sector with her and let's not forget to heap scorn on whoever
gives her a job as of next year.
We are dealing with N Korea nad now Iran, why the big rush all of a sudden to get this going? Has the pentagon finaly stood up to Chimpy and said NO unless we have a draft, which would be the nail in the coffin for the repug party. Is there some corporate bvigwigs that have told him we cant afford any more "excursions" into more countries? There has to be something behind chimpy's new thought process, he just could not change his way of doing things(war) without some outside influence, and I dont me the big Dick himself.
There is no fucking difference. Integrity is meaning what you say, saying what you mean, and doing what you say you are going to do.
I hope this woman never gets another job in her life. She was inept as NSC advisor and she's a joke as Secretary of State. Every other major cabinet member has left this mal-Administration. But she just keeps on giving (or getting, as the case may be).
Republicans hate Democrats cause they're always right.
McCain the Liar @ 38:
Clinton was right on NAFTA?
Carlin's Ghost @ 3:
I've thought of her as Condescencia Rice ever since she deigned to bless the congress with her august presence and answer questions about 9/11. The condescending, arrogant attitude of the woman was just amazing.
numfar @ 31:
I do care why he has changed, there has to be some reason why and I just know that it will come back to haunt us sooner or later. This white house cannot be trusted, I will always question thier motives at all times.
jeff @ 41:
'zactly.
They are trying to get gas prices down before the elections.
Liberals, dirty fuckin hippies, appeasers, cut and run, etc.....
wait a second, she said, "only when the iranians suspend their nuclear enrichment program."
i don't see a flip-flop here at all.
obama said he would have met with iran even if they had not agreed to suspend that program, correct?
so, there is a clear difference here.
and, keep in mind, i am no republican, or libertarian, or democrat for that matter.
but for the record, it does not appear that the administration has made a 180 degree turn.
Jo @ 39:
It was only a matter of time before some troll brought in Clinton..............
and even *if* the administration flip-flopped (of which there is no clear evidence, yet), at least they have agreed to talk to iran.
this is good news, at least for now, especially in light of the fact that both countries have made vague military threats these last few months.
liberalbiasboy @ 46:
LOL!
off topic
good phil gramm dropped out of mcBush campaign
McCain the Liar @ 38:
Who's been drinking the Koolaide??????
bryancri @ 45:
Sorry, you aren't getting it. First you have to remember that Rice is totally capable of saying one thing and doing the exact opposite at the same time. Yes she said "only when the iranians suspend their nuclear enrichment program." but the point is they are sending the number 3 person in the state department to participate in talks with Iran right now and Iran has not suspended their enrichment process.
Comrade Rou @ 49:
nobody is always right but one party/demographic is made up of black and white thinkers and the other party/demographic is dominated by grey area thinkers
Guys, let's be bigger than them. If they're turning away from the madness that would be an attack on Iran, let's all be thankful. Yeah they must take accountability for what they do and that would be great, but if this marks a change in policy (and nothing has actually changed yet), let's be thankful that the world is spared.
Pat Riot @ 34:
Condi: Oil Industry -> White House -> Oil Industry
TC @ 52:
Sort of like Trust but verify?
nycbassist @ 29:
EXACTLY!!
A big smile and a congratulations for McBush and Shrubby in finally seeing the writing on the "horizon."
And following Obama's leadership!!
Condi is used to flip-flopping, as she regularly flips from
missionary position to doggy-style for Chimpo, as Laura watches, while knitting.
Gramm is out.
The warmongering on Iran stopped and oil prices dropped big time.
Regulate speculation, release oil reserves and start drilling in approved millions of acres and we should get back to 80 a barrel.
Then use the Pickens plan to kick the addiction.
TC @ 52:
I will only be thankful after I find out why they're doing this. Have these fools ever been straightforward, above board, or transparent about anything they've done?
I too have never felt threatened by the Persian people. Our only enemy is the enemy within.
If China or Russia invaded Mexico and Canada practically simultaneously, would we feel a little threatened? And would we be even more threatened if the invaders had the audacity to organize economic sanctions against us? We would have already attacked. We would be fighting in Canada and Mexico this instant.
Charles @ 58:
If China or Russia were able to attack us like that, we'd literally have gotten so weak and the Mexicans and Canadians as armed resisters so nonexistent the world would have become 180 degrees of what it is today.
That said, the Islamic Republic is no threat to the US, not when it is at least 5 years away from a nuke with Yahweh/Allah shining every bit of favor on them and every screw-up possible for all other nations that would presumably do something about it, which will not and cannot happen due to human nature, if it has one or even seven nukes, Israel still has 400 and the US in the tens of thousands.
but the point is they are sending the number 3 person in the state department to participate in talks with Iran right now and Iran has not suspended their enrichment process.
where is the evidence that iran has not suspended their enrichment program? or, where is the evidence that the state dept has not requested this condition of iran prior to a meeting?
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She isn't a flip-flopper...
... She's a CON-da-LIAR Rice.
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It's not APPEASEMENT when the BushCo do it!
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Guys, let’s be bigger than them. If they’re turning away from the madness that would be an attack on Iran, let’s all be thankful. Yeah they must take accountability for what they do and that would be great, but if this marks a change in policy (and nothing has actually changed yet), let’s be thankful that the world is spared.
exactly. it's not as if we're saying, "we now trust the bush administration." but, if it is true that talks will commence with iran, this is a step in the right direction.
getalife "whiners" @ 57:
Earlier today McCain forgave him and he is back.
If this means that neither the US nor Israel is going to start bombing the shit out of Iran, who cares if it's a flip flop. Politics aside, that's good news, isn't it? I feel too much relief over this to engage in petty attacks on Rice.
She is another one that has not responded to subpeanas.
Yet goes on CNN to make statements.
Intriguing.
bryancri @ 64:
If this marks a change in policy--- how moronic can you be. Have you ever read the Downing Street Memos? This is not a rhetorical question, if you haven't read them you should. The Bush Administration sent the issue to the UN to legitimize the Iraq war. So that he could say "We have exhausted all diplomacy." This is the exact same thing.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/08/10204/
The fix is in and this diplomacy is to placate the sheeple.
There is more support now than there was a year ago in Congress, especially among the Democrats, for military action against Iran. Thus HR 362’s co-sponsors include 96 House Democrats and 111 House Republicans. These are the same Democrats whom Americans voted into Congress, in November 2006, as majorities in both houses, based on what voters believed to be the Democrats’ opposition to war in the Middle East.
To add insult to injury, HR 362 justifies its content with demonstrably false accusations about Iran’s nuclear program. The Resolution charges that Iran’s importing and manufacturing of centrifuges are “covert” and “illicit.” But under both the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, to which Iran is a signatory, and Iran’s agreements with the U.N.’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), these activities are entirely permitted. The IAEA has publicly stated its support of Iran’s uranium enrichment program, which it states is in full accord with all treaty requirements to which Iran is subject.
MEET THE NEW BOSS-SAME AS THE OLD BOSS.
TC @ 52:
A noble sentiment to be certain,but something about this move stinks to high Heaven.
They may actually be laying the ground work for War.These negotiations might simply be a way for the Bush regime to claim they made an attempt at a diplomatic solution but were unable to find any common ground etc.
I hope I'm wrong,but given the past actions of these animals I have serious doubts.
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neoconned @ 68:
I, too, regarded this with cynicism. However, they may have started this because their little springboard to war (i.e. Iraq) is demanding that they get out and asserting their sovereignity.
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liberalbiasboy @ 46:
Don't you people EVER listen to Sean Hannity? Bill Clinton GETS BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING at least three times a day... every day. You know, that NAZI thing about repeating a lie over and over till it becomes "the truth...?" Well... there you go.
If it were a sincere and genuine effort in talking and negotiating with Iranians it would be great , but I'll go all in and say it's all bullsh#t . The same thing happen just prior to invading IRAQ , a much ballyhooed announcement was made about negotiating with Iraq . But we found out later , the PLAN TO ATTACK and decision was ALREADY MADE , ie. the Downing Street Memo and others .
Bush regime will do the very same thing , they'll make ridiculous demands of the Iranians , as they did with Iraq ( let U.S.(CIA) interrogate all of your nuclear scientist , OUTSIDE of Iraq) . As if they'd EVER return .
This is a dog and pony show designed to make Iran look bad and so that BuSh can say , HEY we tried , but those I raneansss just don't want to cooperate , BOMBING of Iran will commence today . The decision to attack Iran has already been made , but they need a big show of "diplomacy " before the attack .
And the main stream media lapdogs will frame it as a flip flop or negotiating with the " terrorists " , ASSUMING it's all legitimate in the first place .
this isn't flip-flopping! We we're never about "stay the course"!
Lemmings know how to stay the course, right over the cliff.
The Zionists must be having a knesset over this. Where's Wolf's buddy, Liarman?
Keep your eyes on the ball.
Oil.
Elections.
pinkobait @ 71:
I agree. I'm not convinced this is a true commitment toward peace, but if it we start to see actions, if it'll save lives, let's accept it.
Charles @ 59:
Of course. I'm not asking us to concede our reasoning or skepticism. I'm only saying that if actions start to follow from this, let's recognize them for that. I won't belive their talk is anything more than that until I see some serious commitment to appeasement with Iran, but if actions follow words, then I'll be happy.
Jo @ 55:
Yeah, basically.
DC @ 19:
It's like the Bush admin has handed over the keys to the Obama campaign already. It's like this;
Bush: Ahh, I'm clocking out early. Here sport, you take the Foreign policy vehicle.
Obama: Uh, OK.
nobody could have anticipated that Iran would even talk to us, so this isn;t a flip flop
it's taking advantage of an opportunity we didn't know existed
and then the condiliar's head starts spinning and the pea soup flies ...
What's that term from 1984 for the language that uses fewer words? That's what "flip-flop" is. Let's not ever use the term created by the right to oversimplify and distort facts, *even if it might be an accurate term for us to use.*
That's what I propose.
Look, Condi, a shoe sale down the street!
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Condi is in for a rude awakening when she returns to Stanford. I don't think she will be warmly received. I give her a week or two (that is if she's asked back). She better start searching for job.
Condilesbian has not bought a new pair of flip flops since she was in Cario last month. But honey, you're still wearing the ones you bought in New York when thousands of people were hungry and thirsty in New Orleans. You remember that don't you? ? You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Go back to California with your girl friend and live in the house you two bought together. Another closet case RepubliCON lying through that big gap in her front teeth. (A good dentist could make you look human Condilesbian)
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