McCain Falsely Credits The Surge For Catalyzing Anbar Awakening

  During an exclusive interview Tuesday with Katie Couric, John McCain revealed a clear and fundamental misunderstanding of the situation in Iraq. However, you wouldn't have seen it if you watched the CBS broadcast version, because this part was left on the cutting room floor. In response to a question about Barack Obama's contention that it was a confluence of events, not just The Surge™, that was responsible for the reduction of violence, McCain falsely states that the Anbar Awakening was a direct byproduct of The Surge™, even though the Awakening began months before President Bush first announced the buildup of force.

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Couric: Senator McCain, Senator Obama says, while the increased number of US troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni awakening and the Shiite government going after militias. And says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?

McCain: I don't know how you respond to something that is as -- such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarlane [phonetic] was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that's just a matter of history. Thanks to General Petraeus, our leadership, and the sacrifice of brave young Americans. I mean, to deny that their sacrifice didn't make possible the success of the surge in Iraq, I think, does a great disservice to young men and women who are serving and have sacrificed.

Thanks to FDL's Spencer Ackerman, this is what Colonel MacFarland, the man to whom McCain refers in his answer, said in September 2006:

With respect to the violence between the Sunnis and the al Qaeda -- actually, I would disagree with the assessment that the al Qaeda have the upper hand. That was true earlier this year when some of the sheikhs began to step forward and some of the insurgent groups began to fight against al Qaeda. The insurgent groups, the nationalist groups, were pretty well beaten by al Qaeda.

This is a different phenomena that's going on right now. I think that it's not so much the insurgent groups that are fighting al Qaeda, it's the -- well, it used to be the fence-sitters, the tribal leaders, are stepping forward and cooperating with the Iraqi security forces against al Qaeda, and it's had a very different result. I think al Qaeda has been pushed up against the ropes by this, and now they're finding themselves trapped between the coalition and ISF on the one side, and the people on the other.

Furthermore, MacFarland even co-wrote an article (.pdf) published earlier this year in which he explained how most of the Anbar progress occurred between June 2006 and February 2007, months before the first surge troops even arrived.

The Anbar Awakening is argued by many to be one of the most crucial turning points in the war. For McCain to falsely claim that The Surge was responsible for it is rank dishonesty and a blatant attempt to re-write history.

McCain has recently sunk so low as to say this about Obama:

This is a clear choice that the American people have. I had the courage and the judgment to say I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war. It seems to me that Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign.

Well, here's my response: McCain is essentially betting his entire presidential bid on his support for The Surge, so if he has to lie about its effects, he will; it's his only shot.

As ThinkProgress notes, even President Bush made mention of this fact in a speech to the Naval War College last year.

Anticipating that they were going to get hammered for the screw-up, the McCain campaign released a statement last night that the Andersen Cooper panel largely bought hook, line and sinker.

Ackerman nails it:

"For McCain to say that the Anbar Awakening is the product of the surge is either a lie or professional malpractice for a presidential candidate who is staking his election on his allegedly superior Iraq judgment."

So does Ilan Goldenberg at HuffPo:

"YOU CANNOT GET THIS WRONG. [...] John McCain made a mistake this evening, which as far as I'm concerned, disqualifies him from being president.  It is so appalling and so factually wrong that I'm actually sitting here wondering who McCain's advisers are.  This isn't some gaffe where he talks about the Iraq-Pakistan border.  It's a real misunderstanding of what has happened in Iraq over the past year."



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What got the surge to work was bribery.

End of discussion.

General up there is right. The US govt bought the Sunni's. They were payed to defend their own country from the Shia (or Shiite).
The US had to do it because they screwed up so bad. Had the Sunni's not been bought we would be facing something entirely different. After all Boosh handed Iraq to Iran, then figured out he stepped in it with both feet. Well, off to work. have a nice one folks.

General Wes Clark was on Morning Joe this morning laying this whole thing out and explaining what happened when. Joe had the nerve to argue with the General and say what McCain said was true. Joe looked even more foolish than usual. I was pleading for General Clark to just slap the hell out of him.

I don't think McCain has the ability to analyze what he says. He just has a bunch of facts and thoughts bouncing around in his head. Thanks to the MSM, he has reporters willing to clean up after he says something completely off the wall.

His accusation of Sen. Obama being willing to lose the war in order to win the election is pretty damned low in my opinion.

mudshark @ 2:

General up there is right. The US govt bought the Sunni's. They were payed to defend their own country from the Shia (or Shiite).
The US had to do it because they screwed up so bad. Had the Sunni's not been bought we would be facing something entirely different. After all Boosh handed Iraq to Iran, then figured out he stepped in it with both feet. Well, off to work. have a nice one folks.

Have a good day, Mudshark

I am finding it harder and harder to believe that McBains campaign is NOT engineered to lose.
Surely he can't be that ill-informed....can he? Who are the people advising him...almost makes me feel sorry for the old bastard...almost.

When is the first open debate between them?

And will Obama get slammed for being cruel in the media the day after?

Now his media lapdogs are talking up his possible VP candidates to take the limelight off of Obama.

I have noticed that the entire McCain campaign has been one big Gaff. Look I think McCain served this country and demands the up most respect. He is probably even a patriot. But it is a cold fact of life when you get older you dull intellectually. I think McCain just isnt as sharp as a president needs to be. We cant elect presidents on the mere fact that they are a war hero., They need to be able to function as a president functions. Here is a site that has videos of all of the mccain gaffs. It also has a video of McCain falling asleep on the Conan Obrien show., I cant believe this video isnt being shown on the news more. Wow.! I will leave the link its
http://www.mccanes.com

I would like to take the opportunity to say I would not vote for a McCain Romney ticket, I might a McCain / Huckabee ticket. Here is a link that has all of the Romney attack ad videos, that Romney released against McCain during the primary, along with a video of romney calling McCain dishonest. How could McCain even consider picking Romney. I think the McCain camp is trying to sabotage McCain. The link to the videos is http://www.hotpres.com

You can sign a petition to make Huckabee the VP at www.TheVeep.com

Is there anything this guy can get right, or is he thinking that nobody will notice. The McCain campagian is running the last election cycle not the new one and thank the gods for it.

liberalNmoderation @ 4:

I am finding it harder and harder to believe that McBains campaign is NOT engineered to lose.
Surely he can't be that ill-informed....can he? Who are the people advising him...almost makes me feel sorry for the old bastard...almost.

I'm wondering if he's ignoring what his advisers are telling him and being stubborn. Maybe he bites their heads off verbally if they try to tell him something he should do. Maybe he thinks he knows how to run his campaign better than they do. I know as my dad got older he became more stubborn and more defensive as he didn't want to admit what age was doing to him.

pissed off patricia @ 9:

liberalNmoderation @ 4:

I am finding it harder and harder to believe that McBains campaign is NOT engineered to lose.
Surely he can't be that ill-informed....can he? Who are the people advising him...almost makes me feel sorry for the old bastard...almost.

I'm wondering if he's ignoring what his advisers are telling him and being stubborn. Maybe he bites their heads off verbally if they try to tell him something he should do. Maybe he thinks he knows how to run his campaign better than they do. I know as my dad got older he became more stubborn and more defensive as he didn't want to admit what age was doing to him.

You may be right PoP...my dad has kinda mellowed in his golden years...he used to a hot-headed, quick-tempered, stubborn SOB...now...he still has his moments, but he's generally alot nicer to everyone...even his kids.
I still have that feeling though, that the GOP wants McBain to lose.

Oh and lest I forget; WTF CBS, editing the wrong answear to cover McCain ass, WHY? Andrea calls foul on Obama for using pentagon reporters, but CBS covers his ass and not a peep from the morning news(propaganda) shows about this blatent snowjob, sicking, make me want to vomit, sicking. Poor Katie wonders why her ratings are in the toilet.

I know of twice McCain has used the fake falling asleep gimmick. He did it just before the press gave him his donuts with sprinkles and he did it on Conan's show. It's his jokey stunt he pulls when someone mentions his age.

It's disturbing to see a presidential candidate do something so silly.

Robert Novak was on Fox this morning saying he felt he had been used by the McCain campaign when they told him McCain would pick his veep this week. He now feels they told him that because they knew he would write it and the campaign would get attention in the media that it wasn't getting while Sen. Obama is on his trip.

General_Rennenkampf @ 1:

What got the surge to work was bribery.

End of discussion.

The "surge" escalation was for Baghdad. The Anbar caper was a concurrent bonus thrown in as part of the Baghdad campaign. Baghdad peace came from a truce with the Shia after a pretty good scrap there. We are too stupid to separate them and to call out the conflation as lies. At this point, nobody cares, as long as it's working. Personally, I don't care if they have Bush in the lead convertible in the victory parade out of there next year.

paul @ 7 Says:

You can sign a petition to make Huckabee the VP at www.TheVeep.com

WHAT?? You are fucking nuts to bring that here.

Coffee, I need coffee....

paul @ 7:

I have noticed that the entire McCain campaign has been one big Gaff. Look I think McCain served this country and demands the up most respect. He is probably even a patriot. But it is a cold fact of life when you get older you dull intellectually. I think McCain just isnt as sharp as a president needs to be. We cant elect presidents on the mere fact that they are a war hero., They need to be able to function as a president functions. Here is a site that has videos of all of the mccain gaffs. It also has a video of McCain falling asleep on the Conan Obrien show., I cant believe this video isnt being shown on the news more. Wow.! I will leave the link its
http://www.mccanes.com

I would like to take the opportunity to say I would not vote for a McCain Romney ticket, I might a McCain / Huckabee ticket. Here is a link that has all of the Romney attack ad videos, that Romney released against McCain during the primary, along with a video of romney calling McCain dishonest. How could McCain even consider picking Romney. I think the McCain camp is trying to sabotage McCain. The link to the videos is http://www.hotpres.com

You can sign a petition to make Huckabee the VP at www.TheVeep.com

Lotsa luck with that here Paul...Huckabee, while indeed a likable man...should not be allowed anywhere near the WH, except as a visitor...
The man wants a theocracy. That cannot happen.

liberalNmoderation @ 15:

paul @ 7:

I have noticed that the entire McCain campaign has been one big Gaff. Look I think McCain served this country and demands the up most respect. He is probably even a patriot. But it is a cold fact of life when you get older you dull intellectually. I think McCain just isnt as sharp as a president needs to be. We cant elect presidents on the mere fact that they are a war hero., They need to be able to function as a president functions. Here is a site that has videos of all of the mccain gaffs. It also has a video of McCain falling asleep on the Conan Obrien show., I cant believe this video isnt being shown on the news more. Wow.! I will leave the link its
http://www.mccanes.com

I would like to take the opportunity to say I would not vote for a McCain Romney ticket, I might a McCain / Huckabee ticket. Here is a link that has all of the Romney attack ad videos, that Romney released against McCain during the primary, along with a video of romney calling McCain dishonest. How could McCain even consider picking Romney. I think the McCain camp is trying to sabotage McCain. The link to the videos is http://www.hotpres.com

You can sign a petition to make Huckabee the VP at www.TheVeep.com

Lotsa luck with that here Paul...Huckabee, while indeed a likable man...should not be allowed anywhere near the WH, except as a visitor...
The man wants a theocracy. That cannot happen.

Correction...That WILL NOT happen.

jeff @ 11:

Oh and lest I forget; WTF CBS, editing the wrong answear to cover McCain ass, WHY? Andrea calls foul on Obama for using pentagon reporters, but CBS covers his ass and not a peep from the morning news(propaganda) shows about this blatent snowjob, sicking, make me want to vomit, sicking. Poor Katie wonders why her ratings are in the toilet.

When Andrea Mitchell said that the interviews with Sen. Obama were fake because he wasn't talking to real journalists in Iraq and Afghanistan, I wonder what Lara Logan would have to say about that? She interviewed Sen. Obama and I would say she is more of a journalist than Andrea can ever hope to be.

Obama's response to the "rather win the war than win the election" nonsense should be:

"I want to win the election so that we can win the war."

Simple, effective, soundbite-worthy.

Maliki's put McCain's hogwash to a hault.

pissed off patricia @ 17:

jeff @ 11:

Oh and lest I forget; WTF CBS, editing the wrong answear to cover McCain ass, WHY? Andrea calls foul on Obama for using pentagon reporters, but CBS covers his ass and not a peep from the morning news(propaganda) shows about this blatent snowjob, sicking, make me want to vomit, sicking. Poor Katie wonders why her ratings are in the toilet.

When Andrea Mitchell said that the interviews with Sen. Obama were fake because he wasn't talking to real journalists in Iraq and Afghanistan, I wonder what Lara Logan would have to say about that? She interviewed Sen. Obama and I would say she is more of a journalist than Andrea can ever hope to be.

Pfffft Lara Logan is more of a journalist than 90% of the entirety of US journalists.
She's friggin awesome.

The mass outrage with ABC after that final "debate" is what we need here. Spread this far and wide until it gets so big even the msm will have to report on it. McCain wants attention? So Be It!!

Saint Augustine @ 14:

paul @ 7 Says:

You can sign a petition to make Huckabee the VP at www.TheVeep.com

WHAT?? You are fucking nuts to bring that here.

Coffee, I need coffee....

Second that...cream and sugar? Or straight up?

Someone needs to put McCain's campaign on suicide watch.

pissed off patricia @ 23:

Someone needs to put McCain's campaign on suicide watch.

HA! Good one!

McBush is just as ignorant as Dumbya, which is so typical for Reslugs.

John McCain: "Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign."

http://www.americablog.com/2008/07/wednesday-morning-open-thread_23.html

Even Joe Klein was appalled:

I can't remember a more scurrilous statement by a major party candidate. It smacks of desperation. It renews questions about whether McCain has the right temperament for the presidency.

Desperation is the best word to describe it.

I'm getting fed up with the shit spewing forth from the likes of Andrea Mitchell and Barbara Starr:

"But the commanders in Iraq say they don't like the idea of redeployment in sixteen months!"

What I'd like to hear from Obama:

"Tough shit. Come January, I'm the CIC. I'll give the order. It will be executed. Those poor bastards have simply been without a boss for eight years."

McCain is swine. It's clear that he's desperate seeing the huge reception Obama is receiving around the globe. He knows his goose is cooked (overdone really) and is grasping at straws in total frustration. This kind of statement is illustrative of the character (or lack thereof) of this individual. When he's cornered and losing, he tries to spit in one's face.

This one comment will lower his polls appreciably. He's a "dirty player" and we've had too much of that from the Chimp to EVER welcome that type of disgusting individual into the white house.

It was all that dang noise from the approach of liberety that awoke Anbar.

An interview between mcgeezer and katty curric, what was that, a dumb-off?

biff diggerence @ 27:

I'm getting fed up with the shit spewing forth from the likes of Andrea Mitchell and Barbara Starr:

"But the commanders in Iraq say they don't like the idea of redeployment in sixteen months!"

What I'd like to hear from Obama:

"Tough shit. Come January, I'm the CIC. I'll give the order. It will be executed. Those poor bastards have simply been without a boss for eight years."

Basically, with Obama directly dissing Andrea Mitchell in NOT inviting her to be part of the press, he's basically done this to her. Now we're getting to see the desperate attacks of an unattractive old bag who was not invited to the Prom. That goes double for Starr.

ysbaddaden @ 29:

It was all that dang noise from the approach of liberety that awoke Anbar.

An interview between mcgeezer and katty curric, what was that, a dumb-off?

Thanks for the comic relief - I am still rolling with that one. Score a big one for you! McCouric and McGeezer - what a perfect duo! Gotta love it!

liberalNmoderation @ 4:

I am finding it harder and harder to believe that McBains campaign is NOT engineered to lose.
Surely he can't be that ill-informed....can he? Who are the people advising him...almost makes me feel sorry for the old bastard...almost.

What it makes me think is that they're so confident that they can steal it, they don't hafta give a shit. About a third of people STILL support the Chimperor. If they can keep the SCUM in line, and discount the obvious Old-timers-disease moments, they can keep it close enough to steal.

Can you imagine McCain as president meeting with dignitaries from all around the world? The things he might say just off the top of his head? It could be dangerous. The press would be busy as hell trying to cover for him all the time. Maybe that's why they want him to win because they know it would be interesting for them, to hell with what it would do to our country.

McCain and the GOP are desperate. It's not even August and they've already gone into apoplexy and dialing up the negativity and meanness. I expect them to use surrogates to pull out the "n" word any moment now.

They made a big show of egging Obama on to go to the Middle East. Well, be careful what you ask for.

The GOP sees the polls. They've already released their Congressional representatives and given them carte blance to vote WITH the Democrats, if it means holding onto their seats.

The trainwreck is coming. Clear Democratic majorities in BOTH Houses of Congress and a DEMOCRATIC President.

The great liberal seer that I am sees the GOP wandering in the political desert for 40 years.

When are facts and reality a priority for the reich-wing?

XfossilXcoreX

woody, tokin librul @ 32:

liberalNmoderation @ 4:

I am finding it harder and harder to believe that McBains campaign is NOT engineered to lose.
Surely he can't be that ill-informed....can he? Who are the people advising him...almost makes me feel sorry for the old bastard...almost.

What it makes me think is that they're so confident that they can steal it, they don't hafta give a shit. About a third of people STILL support the Chimperor. If they can keep the SCUM in line, and discount the obvious Old-timers-disease moments, they can keep it close enough to steal.

they try and pull that SHIT again. there WILL be riots in the streets!

Liberal AND Proud @ 34:

McCain and the GOP are desperate. It's not even August and they've already gone into apoplexy and dialing up the negativity and meanness. I expect them to use surrogates to pull out the "n" word any moment now.

They made a big show of egging Obama on to go to the Middle East. Well, be careful what you ask for.

The GOP sees the polls. They've already released their Congressional representatives and given them carte blance to vote WITH the Democrats, if it means holding onto their seats.

The trainwreck is coming. Clear Democratic majorities in BOTH Houses of Congress and a DEMOCRATIC President.

The great liberal seer that I am sees the GOP wandering in the political desert for 40 years.

I hope they wander that desert forever. 40 years ain't long enough.

Neonuts! It was never the surge, it was the paid for questionable alliances the US made with the tribal warlords. Why does the media let these idiots make false claims like this?

How much sadder is this campaign going to get for McLiar & Co?

Someone on tv was talking to a member of Sen. Obama's press corp via phone, I believe it was yesterday. The press person said they were not taken to Afghanistan and Iraq with Sen. Obama, they were waiting for him in the country where he spoke yesterday. Andrea Mitchell was in Iraq at least a day before Sen. Obama even arrived. I think she thought if she went there and waited for him, she being Andrea Mitchell and all, she would score an interview with him. Well she didn't get her wish and she got all pissy. Sen. Obama did call on her first at the press conference yesterday so maybe that smoothed her feathers a little.

liberalNmoderation @ 38:

woody, tokin librul @ 32:

liberalNmoderation @ 4:

I am finding it harder and harder to believe that McBains campaign is NOT engineered to lose.
Surely he can't be that ill-informed....can he? Who are the people advising him...almost makes me feel sorry for the old bastard...almost.

What it makes me think is that they're so confident that they can steal it, they don't hafta give a shit. About a third of people STILL support the Chimperor. If they can keep the SCUM in line, and discount the obvious Old-timers-disease moments, they can keep it close enough to steal.

they try and pull that SHIT again. there WILL be riots in the streets!

Don't bet on it, especially if they can engineer gas down to $3.00-3.50/gal for a couple of months, say Sept & Oct, rig up another 'terror' attack, and bring down the price of plasma screens.

pissed off patricia @ 42:

Someone on tv was talking to a member of Sen. Obama's press corp via phone, I believe it was yesterday. The press person said they were not taken to Afghanistan and Iraq with Sen. Obama, they were waiting for him in the country where he spoke yesterday. Andrea Mitchell was in Iraq at least a day before Sen. Obama even arrived. I think she thought if she went there and waited for him, she being Andrea Mitchell and all, she would score an interview with him. Well she didn't get her wish and she got all pissy. Sen. Obama did call on her first at the press conference yesterday so maybe that smoothed her feathers a little.

He did? He called on her first? Lol. The subliminal message in that one, I think, was, "Sure Ms. Mitchell. We see your very human and fallible lapse into jealous fits. Here you go. Feel better now? Ok, that's good....now, moving on...."

How singularly significant

Someone running for office trailing badly being interviewed by a news network trailing badly.

Woody @ 43 -- you're right. Jim Cramer was on "Morning Blow" this morning and said gasoline will drop to $3.50/gallon.

He graduated sixth or seventh from the bottom of a Naval Academy class of over 800. He is not a mental giant.

It's amazing how the violence rate drops when everyone is dead or has fled the country.

A months long, successful, ethnic cleansing campaign does wonders, or so it seems.

5th from the bottom, sturg.

Dr Acula @ 49:

5th from the bottom, sturg.

Not to mention crashing three jet airplanes, choking in an emergency and nearly sinking a whole atomic-powered aircraft carrier.

Anonymous Hussein @ 44:

pissed off patricia @ 42:

Someone on tv was talking to a member of Sen. Obama's press corp via phone, I believe it was yesterday. The press person said they were not taken to Afghanistan and Iraq with Sen. Obama, they were waiting for him in the country where he spoke yesterday. Andrea Mitchell was in Iraq at least a day before Sen. Obama even arrived. I think she thought if she went there and waited for him, she being Andrea Mitchell and all, she would score an interview with him. Well she didn't get her wish and she got all pissy. Sen. Obama did call on her first at the press conference yesterday so maybe that smoothed her feathers a little.

He did? He called on her first? Lol. The subliminal message in that one, I think, was, "Sure Ms. Mitchell. We see your very human and fallible lapse into jealous fits. Here you go. Feel better now? Ok, that's good....now, moving on...."

GAH!!! I hate consumers!

Anonymous Hussein @ 44:

pissed off patricia @ 42:

Someone on tv was talking to a member of Sen. Obama's press corp via phone, I believe it was yesterday. The press person said they were not taken to Afghanistan and Iraq with Sen. Obama, they were waiting for him in the country where he spoke yesterday. Andrea Mitchell was in Iraq at least a day before Sen. Obama even arrived. I think she thought if she went there and waited for him, she being Andrea Mitchell and all, she would score an interview with him. Well she didn't get her wish and she got all pissy. Sen. Obama did call on her first at the press conference yesterday so maybe that smoothed her feathers a little.

He did? He called on her first? Lol. The subliminal message in that one, I think, was, "Sure Ms. Mitchell. We see your very human and fallible lapse into jealous fits. Here you go. Feel better now? Ok, that's good....now, moving on...."

Yep, he did. When he opened up for questions he said, "Andrea". There were no microphones for the reporters so the viewer could not hear the reporters questions. But she stood there talking for a long long time. When she finally stopped talking, he said, you got a lot in there.

woody, tokin librul @ 43:

liberalNmoderation @ 38:

woody, tokin librul @ 32:

liberalNmoderation @ 4: What it makes me think is that they're so confident that they can steal it, they don't hafta give a shit. About a third of people STILL support the Chimperor. If they can keep the SCUM in line, and discount the obvious Old-timers-disease moments, they can keep it close enough to steal.

they try and pull that SHIT again. there WILL be riots in the streets!

Don't bet on it, especially if they can engineer gas down to $3.00-3.50/gal for a couple of months, say Sept & Oct, rig up another 'terror' attack, and bring down the price of plasma screens.

Ok...I meant to blockquote THIS one...
Lemme try again...I HATE consumers.

in response to #38-that is why they are building all the secret prisons here in
the states & why they are focusing on huge crowd control-

who gives a fuck about andrea mitchell?

54 diana

I always thought that the former KGB torture chambers should be converted to S&M Emporiums.

katie couric gave us all a giant dose of comedy gold with this "interview" of john mccain.

before i went to bed last night i saw countdown, where olbermann read the transcript of the actual rsponse (which as we know was a befuddlement) but i caught the very late night CBS news where they played the "interview" as they ran it on the nightly news. i was stunned. i laid in bed and laughed.

if you judge the quality of mccain's thinking by looking at the response that ended up on the cutting room floor and the responses that aired, he is completely out to lunch. personally, i think they would have been better off letting mccain take the hit for the timeline confusion in his original response because what they ran with was, i think, worse, because most people would have no idea that he is factually wrong but when you say this it's pretty clear who's directing US foreign policy, according to mccain's understanding:

Couric: Sen. Obama describes Afghanistan as the central front on the war on terror. ... Why do you believe Iraq is the central front in the war on terror?

McCain: Well, one reason is because that's what Osama Bin Laden said that it was. He said, "Go to the country of the two rivers."

That's right, folks -- acording to mccain, we are in iraq because bin laden told us to go there.

when was it that the united states began following the directions of bin laden? oh, that's right, under the bush administration. and apparently mccain will be following bin laden's instructions if HE becomes president.

way to go, mccain, couric and CBS!

diana @ 54:

in response to #38-that is why they are building all the secret prisons here in
the states & why they are focusing on huge crowd control-

for when/if they declare martial law perhaps?

Come on Obama, how could you hurt the feelings of Ms. Interview Prima Dona? Don't you know that you should only talk to the "real press." Gosh, pretty soon you will be talking to the peasants and the middle class. Shame on you, Barrack. How could you? Take some lessons from McElitist.

ysbaddaden @ 56:

54 diana

I always thought that the former KGB torture chambers should be converted to S&M Emporiums.

I bet some have been....those Ruskies are kinky devils!

St. McCain would never lie! This was just a senior moment, which is no big deal considering he is a war hero.

48 richmanpoorman

You are absolutely right, sir. Those are the major reasons. Violence declined because A) they've killed everyone, B) those remaining have relocated to areas where they are welcome, or at least not shot at, C) payoffs to the militias (your tax dollars at work).

Of course, the media will not discuss that. Can't bother the sheeple with all those complex facts ya know.

60 liberalNmoderation Says: ysbaddaden @ 56:

54 diana

I always thought that the former KGB torture chambers should be converted to S&M Emporiums.

I bet some have been….those Ruskies are kinky devils!

I'm partially Russian?

And devils? how theological of you.

Paying people $10 a day not to attack us helps a lot.

Where do I sign up for this gravy train?

Only stupid Americans want to continue this waste of taxpayers dollars.

Bring the troops home now.

This one has little to do with McPander Bear or Iraq. The frightening thing is the complicity of the MSM, CBS and Katie Couric. She should be out of a job before tonight's newscast and CBS better damn well apologize as well.

ysbaddaden @ 63:

60 liberalNmoderation Says: ysbaddaden @ 56:

54 diana

I always thought that the former KGB torture chambers should be converted to S&M Emporiums.

I bet some have been….those Ruskies are kinky devils!

I'm partially Russian?

And devils? how theological of you.

Ah I'm partly German...I guess devils may be a bit harsh...I was gonna say bastards...

Perhaps McCBS is trying to make "amends" to the reichwingers for Dan Rather?

48 richmanpoorman

You are absolutely right, sir. Those are the major reasons. Violence declined because A) they’ve killed everyone, B) those remaining have relocated to areas where they are welcome, or at least not shot at, C) payoffs to the militias (your tax dollars at work).

Of course, the media will not discuss that. Can’t bother the sheeple with all those complex facts ya know.

Reporting facts that makes the U.S. military look like anything but knights-in-shining-armor is unpatriotic.

obama is too much of a gentleman or politician to say what needs to be said. It's up to his constituency or the blogs to begin stating loudly and clearly and in very understandable terms that which middle america can comprehend that which needs to be said.
IT IS TIME TO TAKE OFF THE GLOVES. HIT HIM WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT. THE TIME IS NOW. BURY HIM.

Unless his comments are countered, he and rush and the rest of the lackeys will have middle america believing that the surge worked, that it was the answer. how soon they forget how many lives both american and iraqui have been lost to GW's war for glory.

Newsflash! There's a HURRICANE hitting Texas. That's the dominant news story today. *crickets*

I usually dodge trolls and hunts me some weasels. Now people are talking about crickets. I think my opus on the New Yorker fiasco was titled "It Ain't the Cartoon, It's the Media." The press will not go out of its way to point out press manipulation. They sure won't loop it 24/7. Like CBS, they sell stool softner too.

Unless his comments are countered, he and rush and the rest of the lackeys will have middle america believing that the surge worked, that it was the answer. how soon they forget how many lives both american and iraqui have been lost to GW’s war for glory.

Most of the Dems are too cowardly to state the fact that a lot of factors -- not just the surge -- contributed to the decline in violence.

Here is the timeline that matters.

Democrats take Congress November, 2006.
Bush announces surge January, 2007.

Iraq still occupied by Americans, July 2008.
Press still occupied by incompetents, July 2008.

The surge was to defeat efforts to stop the occupation. IT IS WORKING.

The Iraqis were/are paid $10/day not to kill the invaders. There were/are 80,000 of them. That's $800,000/day to prop up General Betrayus.
Some surge.

The dolt doesn't even know how to pronounce "Sheik". He thinks they're "Shakes".

77 Loo Hoo. Says: The dolt doesn’t even know how to pronounce “Sheik”. He thinks they’re “Shakes”.

Parkinsons
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61 liberalNmoderation Says: ysbaddaden @ 56:

54 diana

I always thought that the former KGB torture chambers should be converted to S&M Emporiums.

I bet some have been….those Ruskies are kinky devils!
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You're German, huh? I always thought a good domina should either have an English, German or Russiain accent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1sf2CzEq0w&feature=related

A few, and 'only' a few of the more recent falsehoods foisted on us as fact or innuendo by our government either directly or indirectly... What these 'facts' mentioned here and the many more unmentioned say about our government and business community in the 20th century and this new millenium would require its own thread to discuss, analyize and debate..... And I doubt we would ever reach any consensus on a conclusion..... I would only offer that over the long haul and given the instant ability to know the alternative to the memes shoved down our throats with a smile on the evening news, thanks to todays technology, means that this notion of using propaganda to bullshit ones own people in service to murky ideological ends or just outright greed, is just not good or rational policy to follow....ever.... The short moral of the story is... If you are going to portray yourself to the world as a good guy in a white hat doing altruistic deeds to benefit mankind blah blah blah... Then you damned well better be ligit at it. And the sad truth is, we have been anything but that for a long damned time..............

Lies, damned lies, and more damned lies..................

The Gulf of Tonkin incident happened forcing the Vietnam war on us.... (bullshit)
Trickle down economics will lift all boats..... (more bullshit)
Keating Savings and Loan scandal was a few bad apples....(evidently more than a few and those apples are still around begetting a new generation of even more bad apples)
Iran Contra was a rogue operation with no presidential involvement...(give me a fucking break, this is beyond bullshit....Reagan should have been impeached over this)
Noone could foresee an incident like 9/11 happening.. (Jesus, where to even begin.... either ignorance, stupidity, or diabolical plot on the part of this administration, take your pick, they are all equally valid suspicions)
Saddam Hussein was buying yellow cake to make nukes with.. (riiight, another bullshit story, too many connected to this clusterfuck. Would require its own compendium which would never be complete since the lies connected to this war just keep on keeping on, practically by the hour nowadays....)
The Surge created the so called Anbar awakening.. (re-writing history indeed. That is exactly what McCain and his handlers would do if we let them)...
National Healthcare is socialism....(No, it's not.... It's national healthcare without a middleman, a model the political institutions fully embrace for themselves...)

This is all just a teeny tiny small peak behind the huge curtin of deceit our government fosters and nurtures in our names to cover up its own stupidity, duplicity, and embarassments... John McCain is, among other things all negative, the candidate who will continue to feed this monster that creates and spews lies out daily to confuse and obsficate reality... Will Obama be any different?? Don't know, but I'll decide on that in november... What I know right now is McCain is full of shit... Is not even close to being the right guy to lead our nation at this time. At best, he's an old man apparently desperate for one more moment in the national spotlight at any costs... At worst he's of the same stripe and lack of morality as Dick Cheney... A greed and power mongering egomaniac...

People? We got no more wiggle room to allow an amoral idiot like McCain to follow the imbicile we have put up with since the Supreme Court foisted him on us eight miserable years ago. And if you don't think, by and large the last eight years haven't been one miserable shit sandwich? Then you are either in that top 1% economic bracket who have made out like bandits during these years at the majorities expense... Or you are dumb as a post and have been living in your own cave all this time. Figure it out and vote accordingly come november..........JD

ysbaddaden @ 78:

77 Loo Hoo. Says: The dolt doesn’t even know how to pronounce “Sheik”. He thinks they’re “Shakes”.

Parkinsons
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61 liberalNmoderation Says: ysbaddaden @ 56:

54 diana

I always thought that the former KGB torture chambers should be converted to S&M Emporiums.

I bet some have been….those Ruskies are kinky devils!
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You're German, huh? I always thought a good domina should either have an English, German or Russiain accent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1sf2CzEq0w&feature=related

Ayup..first generation kraut to be precise.
Indeed you are correct about the accents. French works for me just as good >:)
And I've found also, that a Spanish accent will work in a pinch.

Dr Acula @ 72:

Newsflash! There's a HURRICANE hitting Texas. That's the dominant news story today. *crickets*

Hiyas doc!
I bet that since the hurricane, now a cat. 2...since it's hitting texas...Fema will be all over it...or am I just being a cynical asshole?
I know it's nowhere near as bad as Katrina...just sayin is all....

Does St john have alzheimers?

Quality catch. John McCain will never be president and that's a very good thing.

80 liberalNmoderation Says: ysbaddaden @ 78:

77 Loo Hoo. Says: The dolt doesn’t even know how to pronounce “Sheik”. He thinks they’re “Shakes”.

Parkinsons
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61 liberalNmoderation Says: ysbaddaden @ 56:

54 diana

I always thought that the former KGB torture chambers should be converted to S&M Emporiums.

I bet some have been….those Ruskies are kinky devils!
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You’re German, huh? I always thought a good domina should either have an English, German or Russiain accent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

Ayup..first generation kraut to be precise.
Indeed you are correct about the accents. French works for me just as good >:)
And I’ve found also, that a Spanish accent will work in a pinch.
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http://www.grimmy.com/comics.php

84 ysbaddaden

Look at the joke dated 07/22/08

I don't have enough time or knowledge of order of events to keep track of all the lies from this fucker. And when the fawning media covers up all the gaffes and lies from McFlipflopper, that's just another nail in our nation's coffin.

I thank sites like FDL and C&L for continuing to shine a light on this old cockroach as well as other scurrying Republican (and Democratic) creatures.

Just don't smile, McC*unt. Those yellow teeth scare the hell out of me.

The state of public awareness has gotten so bad in this country that it is possible to actually create and revise history before it happens. It is the benchmark republican disinformation tactic of creating a narrative a priori and then manufacturing "facts" to support it which are then trumpeted endlessly by propaganda media outlets.

77 Loo Hoo. Says: The dolt doesn’t even know how to pronounce “Sheik”. He thinks they’re “Shakes”.

Actually, that is a correct and proper way of pronouncing Sheik.

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