Taser Deaths
By John Amato Monday Jul 28, 2008 8:15pmWhat would you call it when a person was juiced for 37 seconds?
One word comes to mind and I think it would put a smile on John Yoo's face.
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Electrocution?
Attempted murder.
A joke. Just like all the laughs this sick country got from that poor kid from the "don't tase me bro" video whose only crime was asking a civil question.
Correction. Murder One.
Correction. Electrocution. Period.
Remember folks, it's all a matter of classification. You can classify waterboarding as enhanced interrogation and then you're Scott free. The same goes for Tazers, classify them as less than lethal and you can use them liberally. That's probably the only thing this police state does liberally, electrocuting people.
America needs to move on to the 21 century. A few years ago a Norwegian court struck down a request to expedite an American to the U.S. citing inhumane prison conditions.
Brute force can't solve all one's problems. What happened to the days when police used basic negotiation skills to diffuse a situation?
canary in a coal mine @ 6:
Brute force, though, seems to be the only option utilized or answered to by the Right. They aren't much for soft power.
Do a Google search on "YVR Tasering Incident" - this is the Vancouver (Canada) International Airport incident whereby a Polish immigrant, who did not speak any English, had wandered the airport lost for 6 hours, became very agitated and ended up being tasered and died. A very sad story that has not gone away up here. It happened in late 2007 (I think).
canary in a coal mine @ 6:
I have that answer. While staying for Six months in South Carolina and some time in north Carolina I made a couple of police friends at the gym. it seems those two states don't have Unions for the Police OR the Fire Department. In South Carolina police make a bout $28,000 per year and Firemen pretty similar. Also it is not necessary for them to have ANY College. You can see where i'm heading here, Shitty pay, no Unions, No education requirements .... Shitty cops.
Here's a thought: why not have taser that are designed to give electrical charges for no more then 5 seconds. Then you must wait 10 seconds before the device resets itself. That way it's good enough for women to fend off dangerous men, but not enough to be used as an instrument of torture.
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There is a reason why the United Nations considers tasers and stun guns are tools of torture.
U.N.: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture
November 25, 2007
One might get the impression that the U.S.A. likes to use methods of torture.
Got Geneva Conventions...
Got The Eighth Amendment...
Got 1/4 of the world's prison population behind bars...
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Homicide?
This is disturbing. It seems many police departments are switching to tasers instead of guns. I beleive departments are opting to use tasers because of liability instead of shooting perpetraitors. But it also gives cops free reign to use a weapon that is less lethal. And face it. Some cops abuse their power.
First off why does a TASER even have 37-seconds worth of juice in it? If TASER can develop a battery that good why don't they get into the electric car business!!!
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 12:
You mean we're finally catching up to the Russians and the Chinese? I'm not happy at all.
Well, I see sunshine on the mountain this morning, so I'm going to let you all fight over the newscraps, or is it news scraps. Supposed to be a Bamboo Art Show at the Ping River.
Abbia una grande sera S.U.A.
Ciao ....
Imagine what that felt like, plus his life was taken. Incredibly cruel.
and how many seconds can we teaser bush/cheney
before he could call it torture?
One Word? Torture.
It's apparently called "Pain Compliance" in the police manuals. Isn't that exactly what torture is?
"To serve and protect".
Who are they serving?
Who are they protecting?
In the 90's the Humboldt County Sheriff used q-tips to apply pepper spray directly to the eyes of locked down nonviolent protestors - several had violent allergic reactions. Lawsuit against the sheriff was thrown out. Torture has been around the USA for awhile.
Noaf @ 22:
Yeah, I remember all that. They would hold them down and force that stuff into their eyes. Yeah, your right.
General_Rennenkampf @ 16:
Hell, we're already there...
The public just doesn't realise it yet.
Chinese Water Torture
So when Dick Cheney wanted to get a manual for "enhanced interrogation techniques" for Guantanamo, what did he do? He used the Chinese torture techniques! Let me get this right. We knew this torture caused prisoners to lie. So we used them and then believed the lies.
canary in a coal mine @ 6:
Exactly, Tasers were billed by the manufacturer and approved for law enforcement as a non-lethal alternative to firearms. Instead, once they got their hands on them, the police decided to use them as a replacement for talking to citizens.
It's quick and easy - shock them and take them to jail, then they're someone else's problem. Why bother using the basic skills that have been the crux of law enforcement for hundreds of years? Old man won't shut up? Shock him. Elementary School kid won't stop struggling? Shock them. Woman, in hysterics after just being attacked, won't let go of you? Shock her.
Anything to make the work easier - it's "Just a Job" after all.
don't tase me bro.
So you get tasered and start shaking.
Then you get tasered for shaking.
So the procedure must be to taser you until you stop shaking.
Except you can't stop shaking because you're being tasered.
it's cruel...painful...and murder by electrocution...and there have been hundreds of deathes...
(Funny thing... nobody remembers that Rudy and Bernie Kerick invested alot of money in the TASER company..and have made alot of money....and also large shipments were also sent to Iraq as a part of the security training...)
thank you for posting on it....
and
anyone see a pattern?
Q. What do you call a person who's been juiced for YEARS?
A. Roger Clemens
How about this for police brutality!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkiyBVytRQ
That's hysterical! Luckily there was someone with a camera there, otherwise the officer might have gotten away with it. Who believes a cyclist. This man is now confined to a desk job and had to surrender his badge and sidearm pending an investigation.
More on that in the NYT!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/nyregion/29critical.html?_r=1&ref=nyre...
Tranquilizer guns are used on rogue, dangerous wild animals in order to eliminate their threat and move them to a safe area away from people but, at the same time, leave them physically unharmed. And yet, citizens of our countries face deadly lethal weapons by their own governments when any resistance or defiance occurs.
Both of our countries should be ashamed of themselves. What has happened to our once great nations? We are all screwed.
Obviously we're just instituting the death penalty for shoplifting.
shocking.........don't tase me dude!!!!!!
Cory @ 8:
It was actually 12 hours. He was wandering around, ignored, not sure what to do. When police arrived, they didnt attempt to communicate, they immediately tasered him. And then the policeman is overhead saying "hit him again"
The man was from Poland coming to visit his mother. He was his mothers only child. She is, predictably, never going to recover from this.
Just as there's a radar detector for the radar gun, a plate spray to defeat the traffic cameras, it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with a device to counter the stun guns. Until then, maybe we should all wear suits made of shock resistant rubber when we go out (especially if you're going to hold up a sign at a McCain event).
suspended for five days for murder. awesome.
odanny @ 35:
Don't forget, the YVR video was confiscated by cops, and was only given back to its rightful owner after threat of lawsuit. However, while the RCMP thought it had covered its ass by stealing the video, they lied over and over about the incident. It wasn't until they were forced to return the stolen video that they stopped talking about the incident, other than to give us the old 'video doesn't tell the whole story' routine. Since then, the supposed liberal Premier of B.C. verbalized his support of the 4 inept officers as well as continued use of tasers in his province, all while an investigation into the incident continues.
It's not torture, it's Freedom Pain.
Welcome to the new America. It is becoming common police practice to ask a person to do something, then apply physical pain until the person does it. There's a word for inflicting pain on someone until they do what you want... starts with a T...
Since a police officer did this to a citizen, it's simply "a contributor to someone's death". As if the guy was dying already and the 37 tases just helped him out of his misery.
If a police officer were the victim, it would be called cop-murder and the guy wouldn't see the light of day again.
I'll take it somewhere down the middle: charge the police officer with manslaughter. And that's being overly kind.
= compliant, passive and fearful
mudshark @ 23:
thats out and out torture, straight from some Soviet, Nazi or CIA/DoJ textbook
Police use the excuse that somebody is delusional and agitated, which is another way of calling people insane and in need of psychiatric treatment courtesy of your friendly policeman and his taser.
They have a convenient pretend condition called 'Excited Delirium' that friendly coroners put on people death certificates.
Theres a very clear link to the 19th century invention and fondness for ECT which was the wonder treatment to cure all ails.
If you read the wiki article on 'Excited Delirium' theres a list of symtoms, one of which is grunting or animal sounds, which in a round about way is a 21st century version of Lycanthropy, there was one car driver in Florida who had an accident, then refused to comply with Police to lie down (he was burnt and had skin hanging off him) they tasered him this made him angry so he got up, taser pain obviously is small beer compared to major skin burns, he walked after the police, so they shot him dead, and claimed they were VERY scared because he made animal sounds.
So much for the experiment of putting a moron with medieval xtain superstitions in a fancy police uniform,
you are still left with a jerk with mindless power, fears of the unknown and ability to use lethal force.
it was only two nites ago i had a couple suspects shoot a handgun at another vehicle right in front of me. it would appear that some of you weenies out there need to spend a day in my shoes before you decide on the efficacy of the use of tasers. it appears none have spent any time in law enforcement here on this site. what sheltered lives you live boys and girls!!
Murder.
Cory @ 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6nx0Cx3uMk
ccf @ 45:
You suspected they shot a gun or witnessed them shooting a gun !!!
or was it imagined...
ccf @ 45:
The average citizen doesnt need to be in the warzone 24/7 or be keen to go out there and mix it with the perps,
thats why we pay our taxes and hire people like you to go out there and enjoy yourselves.
The crux is police brutality and situations escalating beyond lawful force, or outright plain sadism and thuggery by mungos.
Police are paid to uphold the law and protect the peace, period, they are not paid to make shit up as they go along, nor are they servants of the elite, they work for us the people.
Even drugged up morons or criminals have civil rights, even tho they sometimes dont deserve them, they still enjoy the same protections as others.
Otay @ 41:
Exactly. And if someone actually uses a Taser against a cop, it's apparently enough of a reason to shoot him. Non-lethal my ass.
ccf @ 45:
OMG, you're a cop? And you think suspects shooting a hand gun at another vehicle is somehow comparable to the issues we are discussing?
This is why cops should NOT be using life-threatening torture to gain compliance. Their mental capacity to differentiate between suspects shooting hand guns and those that pose little to no threat has been blurred by the fact they've got their trusty zapper to do their talking now. No need for intelligence to diffuse situations anymore, just taser anyone not under the cops control, for 37 seconds if required.
ccf @ 45:
And if the think/know that they're likely to be executed by some Taser-happy cop, what makes you think that they won't shoot at you the next time?
ccf@45 Tasers are a tool just like a baton or hammer, It depends on the person behind it. The old shock and lock was used for years untill under-trained, badge-heavy or just out of field training, coppers started abusing it and killed a few people, same with mace and the air choke hold. I really heard no loud protest untill officers started abusing tasers and using them for " attitude adjustments", anytime someone does not move fast enough or respond to orders in the proper manner. And by the way, if you reached for a taser,when suspects were shooting a pistol in front of you, you are not going to be around long. You can spend your whole time fighting with citizens if wish to but their are other ways as well and you will spend less on new uniforms, eye-glasses and wrist-watches. And you will end up with far fewer CCFs-CEO
What the hell else can we expect from our law enforcement, under this administration?.
Like all others in all of our Federal, City, County and States institutions, there is little or NO over site or leadership to keep these people on the up and up.
Like all the other institutions, they are filtering these applicant's, to get nothing but these right wing red neck bigots, and these Negro's who need to work at all cost, so they too will play the game.
In the mean time our young men, especially black are being murdered and shot fifty to one hundred times and the evil sick distorted bastards the crap with the help of this administration's feeble Attorney General who will always give assistance in the cover up and out right lies to defend these bastards.
Yet we hear nothing from this disgusting media because they too want to help defend this disgusting criminal American law enforcement so they can continue to murder even more then they (media), too are participating in as they assist this administration in their ongoing murder and slaughter efforts of innocent victims of small time crimes. Not to mention the death and destruction of thousands of young men and women they have used our government, military and media to trick them into joining this illegal invasion , into a country they all have also destroyed.
And the sad thing is they feel they have not done enough, and want to continue by again, installing this old disgusting senile, degenerate thug into the White House to keep it going for another eight years, if the old bastard would live that long.
And the beat goes on, with just a few months of this hell to go.
ccf @ 45:
Let me get this straight: two nites [sic] ago, you had a couple of suspects shoot a handgun at another vehicle right in front of you, SO, you should then be allowed to use a taser device on unarmed citizens any time you wish. Is that what you're saying?
If you can't tell the difference between those situations, you really ought to find a different line of work.
John Yoo was not born on American soil. He's a naturalized immigrant. Let's take away his US citizenship and deport that fkng traitor!
I don't mean to fan the flames on this discussion of electrocution-style police weaponry, but a reasonably sensible policy is that when you suspect that some of those licensed authority figures in your presence might be drawing a bead on you with a number of those taser things...and you don't have one, then just call them 'sir' or 'officer', ask for their badge number and go away quietly.
Don't waste that one phone call either if they give you the opportunity.
My latest 'fave' :Boy With Broken Back Tasered 19 Times
I really don't think that handing electrocution weapons to people prone to violence and giving them the "authority" to use them as they like is the wisest thing unless the plan is to make the entire population fear the assholes. If so, it's yet another 'mission accomplished' by boosh inc.
ChrisD @ 55:
That's a fact.
Even as I'm really glad that this is starting to get some notice, I'm sad because the reason for the notice is the sheer number of incidents involving the use of tasers as instruments of torture and even death. Over four years ago, I wrote that
Unfortunately, that has proved true and it has become clear that police cannot be trusted to use them responsibly. They should be banned.
♫..Bangkok Bob..♫ @ 10:
Unfortunately, friend, the problem is not limited to a couple of states or even the US (tasers have become quite controversial in Canada).
The root of that problem, frankly, is not education or income, it's attitude and a police culture that sees all non-cops as "other." Take a cop who's a taser-slinging bully, give them a pay raise and send them to college, and what you'll get is a well-paid, college-educated, taser-slinging bully. That's not the answer to police brutality. Close, intense, on-going civilian oversight is.
ccf @ 45:
Wow - we've hit a new low - a Troll Cop
Hey Porky - shouldn't you be at work "protecting"?
And of course, nobody wonders about how the attitude developed amongst these putative 'civil servants' to treat their pay-masters in this way. Look to the War on Drugs for a clue. In order to 'fight' the 'scourge' of drugs (which weren't a problem until drug prohibition created the black market) our police are forced to act like an invading army...using the same kind of tactics. Which leads to anger and distrust on the part of their paymasters...which leads to further alienation from and resentment of those paymasters. Tighter and tighter the spiral gets until something snaps. Nobody should be surprised at this, and tasers are only going to make this issue worse.
This is what happens when a President sanctions torture. It's the trickle-down effect that is so lauded by "conservatives".
Contemporary, militaristic police training teachers cops that the public is the enemy and that anything less than immediate compliance with their orders by even unarmed suspects puts both parties at grave risk of bodily harm and that tasers are the solution. The days of using reason and empathy to calm "unruly" suspects is pretty much over. Sadistic or just nervous cops (and there are more than a few of them out there) can now use tasers instead of guns and clubs with virtually no fear of prosecution for excessive use of force.
canary in a coal mine @ 6:
Whose idea was it to make tazers available as an alternative to all the methods for subduing people in tense situations?
These are not TOYS.
Anything that transmits an electrical shock is dangerous.
When you have people like mall security guards armed with tazers, there are bound to be fatalities. These are gomers who quite often "want" to be policemen, but for some reason are not qualified.
Perhaps a review of the Millgram experiments, or the Stanford Experiments would be useful to the trigger-happy police, the so-called "security" people and especially to the smirking John Yoo, as well as George W. Bush and his merry band of thugs.
It appears that few of these people were taught by their parents that just because something doesn't hurt you when you do it doesn't mean it's not dangerous to do it.
WHEW!!
ccf @ 45:
You work for us, son. Not the other way around.
Who should be surprised? With the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the FISA legislation, and other yet to be revealed crimes of the Bush administration, the country has turned into a police state.
Here's a thought. Do away with using electricity as a weapon. Period.
It was a bad idea in the first place and it's an even worse reality.
WTF is with human race and it's fascination with finding endless ways to hurt, kill and injure each other? No other species of animal is so cruel to it's own.
Americans now Torture, and they use Cattleprods on their own people. Whom arn't violent and they no longer train their people how to CARE FOR THE CIVILIANS AND CITIZENS WHOM IT IS THEIR DUTY TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
If your police are not protecting you, GET NEW FUCKING POLICE!
Rusty Shackleford @ 68:
And remember not to take a taser to a gun fight.
For those of you out there who haven't yet read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine", do so now. You'll be far less taken by surprise when the clampdown comes. And yes, this relates to the use of electroshock as a means of silencing dissent and instilling fear.
As for CCF, in my experience, there are really only two types of people who choose to become cops; those that want to help people, and those that want to control people. Sadly, there aren't many that fall into the first category, and the second category are nothing but bullies with authority, weaponry, manpower and money backing up their ignorant angry asses. Gee, I wonder which category CCF would fall into, huh?
ccf @ 45:
Are you a law enforcement officer? If so why didn't you stop them. If you aren't a cop, how long from your calling 911 till the cops showed up? Did you ruin the upholstry in your car when you pissed down your leg. Big brave man!
Hey ccf no reply. Are you a cop or just like to talk like a cop. Does the baby sitter know you are messing with your Dad's computer again? Just another sissy cop wanta be.
Non-lethal methods of coercion encourage the police to use them without thinking. Every use of a firearm results in an investigation of the officer who discharged it, if the same were true for every tazer use, rubber bullet or bean bag fired, or use of mace maybe they wouldn't be torturing the populace with their shiny new toys. The lack of accountability encourages the excessive use of so called non-lethal force.
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