McCain to follow bin Laden to the gates of hell - unless the gates are in Pakistan
By Steve Benen Tuesday Jul 29, 2008 2:00pmJohn McCain appeared via satellite with CNN’s Larry King last night, and the two covered a fair amount of ground in a short amount of time. There were a handful of important exchanges, but this was arguably the most striking.
King asked McCain what he’d do, as president, if he learned that bin Laden was in Pakistan, and he had a choice to send in U.S. forces after him. McCain replied, “Larry, I’m not going to go there and here’s why, because Pakistan is a sovereign nation.... But I want to assure you I will get Osama bin Laden as president of the United States and I will bring him to justice no matter what it takes.”
Unless, “what it takes” includes going into Pakistan.
I have to admit, I’ve heard McCain staking out a similar position for months, and I have no idea why he’s sticking to this. Barack Obama has said he’d pursue high-value terrorist targets into areas of Pakistan where the Musharraf government has little or no control, launching limited attacks based on actionable intelligence. McCain believes we shouldn’t pursue these terrorist targets, because he’s concerned about Pakistani “sovereignty.”
But this is crazy. Existing U.S. policy, under the Bush administration, is to go after terrorists in Pakistan. Obama wants to keep this policy in place. In fact, we’ve already executed this policy on more than one occasion, and have killed al Qaeda leaders hiding in Pakistani mountains. McCain thinks this is a mistake? McCain disagrees with existing U.S. policy? He wants to do “what it takes,” but Pakistani “sovereignty” is so important, McCain would scale back counter-terrorism efforts in the region?
If there’s any coherent rationale behind McCain’s approach, it’s hiding well.
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The conspirators to 9-11 are in the US, not in Pakistan, or in any 'stan.
That's his secret plan! He'll get Osama elected as president, and then he'll be easy to catch! Oh wait, maybe I parsed that wrong. Or maybe Mccain actually thinks he's running against Osama.
SM...I know this is off topic...but it's VERY important.
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Everyone, please read this, sign it and forward it...we GOTTA stop this insanity!
Sen. McCain---Mr. McGoo. .......from Wickipedia..... Quincy Magoo is a wealthy, short-statured retiree who gets into a series of sticky situations as a result of his nearsightedness, or latent myopia, compounded by his stubborn refusal to admit the problem. SAY NO MORE!
Larry King was an absolute tosspot during that interview. He didn't ask McCain a single follow-up question.
u.s. shifting money to go to pakistan from counterterrorism to updating pakistan's f-16 fighter jets
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/24/pakistan.pentagon/index.html?eref...
Usama Bin Laden likely died at the end of 2001 or early 2002.
Well shoot. I was looking forward to seeing tv coverage of McCain and Osama at the gates of hell.
Wasn't Iraq a sovereign country when we invaded them with both barrels blazing and wasn't John McCain fine with that at the time?
Gee, I guess some nations' sovereignty is more important than other nations' sovereignty.
Ummmm. Isn't every nation on the planet a sovereign nation? By McCain's reasoning we can't go into sovereign nations to get Bin Laden, but he will nonetheless get Bin Laden. I guess McCain's plan is to wait for BL to show up in the States and then grab him. Awesome plan.
And what about the “sovereignty” of Iraq and Iran ??? Oh, I forgot, they have Oil and they don't have Nukes... yet. No wonder Iran may be actively and secretely seeking to get some... just to avoid being attacked by the US.
Maybe they could room together.
spero @ 7:
he's in a freezer somewhere they will bomb an area and plant the body
Odd that old confused man McCain didn't object to invading the sovereign nation of Iraq. It's makes no sense to be suddenly be concerned about invading another sovereign nation. What difference does it make? McCain is nothing more than a shell of a person. He has no character.
And he "knows how to win wars", riiiggghht.
Time for the Obama camp to take off the gloves.
This is a perfect opportunity to frame an attack ad - Larry King, McCain, Bin Laden and a ridiculous policy explanation. After seeing the crap coming out of the McCain group this last week, a well-crafted counterpunch would energize people who are tired of Obama's rope-a-dope tactics.
C'mon Barack - give 'em hell!!!
The Manchurian Candidate has spoken....again.
Nice smile, you freaking goon.
That headline made me lol :D
Using McCain's "sovereign nation" test, then the US will not attack Iran and we will pull our troops out of the once again sovereign nation of Iraq. I swear McCain has no clue about what words come out of his mouth. His brain and mouth are not in sync.
wow. everyone was impressed by McCain's famous green backdrop speech -- but the smile he gives at the end of that clip from the Reagan Library debate is even more unhinged if you ask me. Unhinged.
as for that answer he gives Larry King: "I won't go get him. But I'll get him, I promise." it's as if he realizes his first answer was awful and realizes he better promise to 'get him'. He can contradict himself in a single sentence nearly. He will say anything to be elected. If he ever had a shred of credibility and independence, he has pissed it away. He is now a cartoon of a panderer, on a par with Mittens.
Blue Lensman @ 15:
didn't he claim that he knows how to win wars and how to capture bin laden.....if that's true then tell bush how to catch bin laden instead of using it for political reasons.
Cats r Flyfishn @ 14:
Two wrongs don't make a right. McCain is the wrong choice for many reasons but not for respecting the sovereignty of Pakistan, Obama too should get permission once he becomes president.
Osama is in McCain's freezer.
Citing issues like sovereignty, when we have our hands right in the middle of other sovereign nations undermines McCain's creditability.
Terry @ 23:
You are so incredibly wrong! He's in Cheneys man-sized safe!
We are still living in 'The Twilight Zone'. Nothing this guy says makes any sense and he is running for POTUS????????? This is a never-ending nightmare. This country is FUBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brithumeistheantichrist @ 16:
Sen. Obama's people are not running attack ads and it's making McCain look even more desperate with ads like the one about Sen. Obama not visiting the vets in Germany and this newest one comparing him to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. By McCain doing what he's doing, the McCain campaign looks juvenile. McCain's campaign is debasing itself with no help needed from Sen. Obama's campaign.
pissed off patricia @ 27:
pissed off patricia @ 27:
HA! Excellent!
“Larry, I’m not going to go there and here’s why, because Pakistan is a sovereign nation…. But I want to assure you I will get Osama bin Laden as president of the United States and I will bring him to justice no matter what it takes.”
That quote stands alone as evidenciary proof that this man is either confused, mentally indigent or very simply...a complete freakin' idiot.
But, I must ask...was McCain speaking or not speaking for the McCain campaign when he made that statement?
constituent @ 13:
Ya, it will the October surprise...That will make Obama's plan to secure Afghanistan is no longer needed, thus enabling McSame to win.
"Bomb, bomb, bomb, not Pakistan..."
I know you're right on this one. But it's so damn frustrating to watch McCain disparage Obama.
I guess we'll have to wait until the debates to see just how feeble McCain really is.
And another wonderful visual planned by the McCain campaign.
They keep putting McCain next to OLD guys...Bush Sr., Larry King...do the idiots running this campaign understand that it only reinforces how freakin' old McThuselah is??
Hate to say this, but what right does the US have in going into Pakistan to go after Bin Laden? Why should the US be allowed to trump international law, again? Realize that if the US government and people choose this stance, they too could be attacked and have other armies cross our borders. Have any idea how many right wing anti-Castro killers are living free (thanks in large part to the work of the Bush family) in Southern Florida? Would you be ok with Cuba or Venezuela (two countries who were victims of an airplane bombing of one of these terrorists) bombing the section of Miami that these people like in? There are many similar examples I could pose. Would you be ok with Cuban troops coming onto US soil to get these people? You can’t call for policies that you aren’t willing to accept yourself. There are ways to bring the killer Bin Laden to justice and to not make us hypocrites once again in front of the world. If the Pakistani government doesn't help get Bin Laden then THEY are the immediate issue and should be dealth with legally, as should we for protecting right wing terrorists in this country.
brithumeistheantichrist @ 16:
I hope so. Dems tried to take the "high road" in '04 and look how far that got them.
Afghanistan's sovereignty didn't seem to matter much.
Nor did Iraq's... and that didn't bother McShame.
unadulterated evidence that McKeatingFive is full of shit.
Liberal AND Proud @ 30:
Sounds like he is assuring the listener that he will get Osama bin Laden as president of the United States and then when bin Laden is president of the United States, McCain will bring bin Laden to justice.
I guess once bin Laden is president of the US, McCain will impeach him or something.
I like Sen. Obama's plan better.
Stephen @ 10:
Yeah, and I plan on helping McCain nab ObL as his "October surprise". Here's the plan: I'll hang out in the beer tent throughout Oktoberfest. Then, just as bin Ladin's washing down his brat with a brewskie, I'll tackle him and drag him down to GOP Headquarters downtown. Genius, huh?
King asked McCain what he’d do, as president, if he learned that bin Laden was in Pakistan, and he had a choice to send in U.S. forces after him. McCain replied, “Larry, I’m not going to go there and here’s why, because Pakistan is a sovereign nation….
WTF..... He didn't have any problem with us going in and completely trashing Iraq, another sovereign nation that did absolutely nothing to us.
The Bin Laden family has close ties to the Bush family and ol' Whistling dentures McPain wouldn't want to offend his mentor.
"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" - President George W. Bush at the United Nations - November 10, 2001
Not a problem, since as every right-winger knows, the gates of hell are actually in San Francisco.
jebus.loves.me @ 31:
there's going to be a u.s. presence no matter who is president.....the agreement(s) have already been made
getting bin laden as you know won't change anything
When asked if he would persue Bin Laden if US intelligence had his location pinned down, Senator McCain replied,
“Larry, I’m not going to go there and here’s why, because Pakistan is a sovereign nation….
That should be the only line in the next Obama ad.
Orangutan. @ 42:
So sayeth the outrageous conspirator.
Wake up. We are being lied to. It makes no sense.
maybe all you goddamned naysayers ought to go back and look on the record and find out what Barack said, instead of saying that he didn't say it.
He said he would attack locations in Pakistan, if necessary, without consulting the Pakistani government.
stop whining and check the record.
and if you're waiting to get the statements of Barack Obama from the SCLM, you're waiting in the wrong line. you're already in the InterTruck, so check the google: obama attack pakistan, OK?
and if you're equating Obama with Kerry, check the lenses on your tv screens again and find the first network shill willing to tell the truth.
every time the quote Obama, the repeat a line or two.
when McShitStain gets quoted, they play film of him, especially if it's an attack on Obama.
and stop attacking Obama for silence when you haven't been listening to him anyway.
bin laden is dead according to the recently assassinated benazair bhutto - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg
Can you imagine if Sen Obama made a statement like, I will follow bin Laden to the gates of hell. Everyone would just look at one another and say, WTF?
I can just hear the jokes if McCain should become the president. People in Europe and around the world will say, Watch America as it drives forward for the next four years with it's right turn signal continually blinking
Well - benazair bhutto is dead. At the hands of the sovereign nation of Pakistan.
I love the way he lets off this big tough guy speech about finding Bin Laden and pissing on his mother, then gives his out-of-nowhere akward smile.. and nobody so much as moves.
Hilarious.
pissed off patricia @ 50:
Crazy Talk - IOKIYAR
and what, exactly, does sovereign mean?
let's have the prezdint asplain it
i think, once again, i am going to have to disagree with the consensus
obama's stated plan to go into pakistani tribal areas and hunt down OBL w/o pakistani assistance is a bad idea.
even if this spec-op operation was successful you'd have to ask yourselves 'at what cost'. which brings in the very question of just why people are willing to resort to terrorism in the first place.
OBL is a baaaaaaaaaaad man, and deserves nothing but the most severe of punishments, but alienating more people, jeopardizing/killing innocent people, and pissing off pakistan (and possibly destabilizing the shaky govt, that happens to have nukes) is a recipe for continuing trouble.
what? And Afghanistan WASN'T a sovereign nation? WTF is all this bullshit?
I had no idea that Pakistan was a "sovereign nation". For some reason I thought it was a sovereign nation. We have no right to bomb Pakistan or operate any military operation with in it's borders without its permission. Even if your little boogie man is hiding there or someone tells you that he's hiding there.
---"But this is crazy. Existing U.S. policy, under the Bush administration, is to go after terrorists in Pakistan. Obama wants to keep this policy in place."
You're right. It is crazy that Obama wants to continue this absurd/ illegal policy. I wonder what your view would be if this policy was reversed. Actually I don't have to wonder....
McCain has this one right. We shouldn't be sending troops into another soverign nation. The legitimate government in Pakistan is having a hard time with us killing pakistani solders in Pakistan after we asked them to go after the Taliban. We're in northern Pakistan right now making things worse because "all those towel heads look alike" to us. Obama is wrong on this one, its one of those instances where he takes the Bush position and Dems ignore it.
I get the wingnuts' crazed obsession with Israel, after all, if'n it's in the bible, it's special and magic and all, but Pakistan? Why exactly is Pakistan's territorial sovereignty respected by these people - no other country's is. What's the deal?
pissed off patricia @ 50:
Bwaaahahahahahahaaaaa! I want that on a damn bumpersticker!!
maybe change it up a bit...
"McCain in '08 Driving America forward with the turn signal on!"
Great idea PoP!!! Yer a daggum genius!
The very sight of a confused, slobbering President McGaffe will in itself strike fear into the Pakistani citizenry who will then track down and capture bin Laden and hand him over to US authorities.
Just another "Huh?" moment, from the Straight Jacket Express:
This "sovereign" thing strikes me as completely stupid. Was/Is Iraq NOT a sovereign nation? And tell me McSurge, "Where are the gates of hell, exactly?" You seem to know this and more, like "How to win wars" I think you are in our hair and I'd kind of like you out of our country.
Clemdog @ 62:
The gates of hell are just outside of new jersey.
St. McCain is trying to have it both ways and will say anything, as usual, that he believes will score him political points.
That's true, but he wasn't really making the argument that we should respect other nations' sovereignty even if it goes against our best interests. He's spewing out slogans like "do whatever it takes" and then saying "well, actually I won't do whatever it takes". Regardless of how right either position is, it makes a big difference to his credibility, IMO.
Truth B Told @ 1:
I asked you to provide a source for your bullshit and you disappeared. I'll ask again.
I'm confused. Are we, liberals, for or against escalation?
Heh, sovereignty of a nation has never bothered us before, why would it stop us now?
liberalMcSuuuurgeNmoderation @ 60:
I like it! That could so be a bumper sticker. Hell it could be a tee shirt too. Some cartoonist could draw an old car with a white head barely sticking up over the driver's side head rest and of course the blinker would be on. The license tag on the car would say "USA"
Clemdog@62
good one, very nicely put
of course, it sure puts the idea to go into pakistan in a less than flattering light... and the effects would be even worse than in iraq, considering the nukes and all.
Midnight Rambler @ 65:
Recall, Bu'ush said "yer either with us or agin us" and that them folks whut harbors Terrists are the same as Terrists and 're gonna get whacked, pronto.
A passing thought. Maybe the 40,000 people that signed the "SendRoveToJail" petition should E-mail Mr. Maverick and ask him, as a candidate for President, and a man that has sworn to uphold the Constitution, why he isn't outraged that Mr. Rove and several other members of the Administration have spit on the laws of the land and not even shown up to at least take the 5th. I haven't heard him say a word and think he should be held to task and answer the question. Better yet, can people start sneaking into his Town Hall meetings and ask the question, or are they pre-vetted like Shrub's events? Just imagine his response......Duh.....Duh......Duh.....
Midnight Rambler@65
excellent point. the inconsistency from mccain is, well, consistent. and the msm glosses right over this in their rush to put lips to flesh
Lemme get this straight, once and for all: John McCain wants to lead America... to the Gates of Hell. And roughly half of America is okay with this.
Kind of OT but it's something to think about. If Sen. Obama chooses Biden as his veep and assuming that Obama serves for two terms, at the end of that second term Biden would be 74 years old and most likely would decide not to run for president. Then we would be where the repubs are now. We would then have to find a candidate from amongst the ranks. While if Sen. Obama picks Kaine, we would be in good shape in eight years. At that time Kaine would be 58.
I'm sure the McCain campaign is going through the same numbers game but they have to think about a veep who could easily run in four years because I doubt seriously McCain could or would want four more years.
Funny I used to call the front door of my ex husband's mother's house, the gates of hell. I had my reasons.
McCain smiles when he gets a talking point right. The guy shoots for the stars. Mr McGoo has used up his hero chips. He is now just a snake in the grass.
pissed off patricia @ 69:
Ah hells yeah! I'd wear that!
Ian @ 74:
To be fair, the Vestibule of Hell only has clouds of insects which chase and sting you for eternity.
McCain must think we are idiots, if he can sell that kind of drivel. He promises he will 'get Bin Laden', but refuses to give any kind of strategy for doing so. First he says, he does not want to 'give his plans away'. Now he states he will not go into Pakistan to get him. Well, that is going to make things a little difficult, since that is probably where ABL actually is. He tries to give us the impression, he has some kind of special deal worked out. Well, he is not the President, and nation states are not going to make special arrangements, with someone who is just a candidate, and sucking in the polls. So really, McCain has nothing, except for some vague guarantee he will succeed, even though he has denied using a tactic which will probably be required. This is just another example of him standing his words on their head, and saying anything he (Rove) thinks someone wants to hear at that moment.
Why does McCain giggle and laugh, even when talking about the thousands who died in 9/11?
Commentator @ 78:
Indeed....not to be confused with the Foyer of Hell, which has poor lighting, and that awful smell of mothballs and feet.
liberalMcSuuuurgeNmoderation @ 77:
I'd like to collaborate with ya on that!
How do we contact one another without puttin private contact info on here?
Wonder if the SM could help? :D
G String, Ricky,
You are both missing the point entirely. No one here advocates violating the sovereignty of another nation. The point here is that John McCain is talking out of both sides of his mouth in order to defraud the electorate.
Maybe that famous republican chickenhawk brigade will bring Bin Laden to justice.
I'm with P/O Pat
"Wasn’t Iraq a sovereign country when we invaded them with both barrels blazing and wasn’t John McCain fine with that at the time?"
Assuming Hell exists, McCain is right about one thing: he will indeed be following bin Laden there. Or, possibly, preceding him there.
When McCain reaches the gates of hell, does he get to leave?
liberalMcSuuuurgeNmoderation @ 81:
Just like "Grandpa" McCain!
McCain spews propaganda and double talk.
Truth B Told @ 1:
The ISI (Pakistani equivalent to our CIA) is in bed with the power behind our own government--Cheney, key Congressional leaders. There's no way we're going after anything that threatens the ISI in Pakistan. It's our linchpin to dirty deeds in the Middle East.
Uhhh...Mcthuselah...get it? Two..three...four....Is this thing on??
“Larry, I’m not going to go there and here’s why, because Pakistan is a sovereign nation…"
Funny, he doesn't have a problem with doing exactly that in Iraq to get a guy who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. McCain has those big cheeks cuz his mouth is overflowing with bullshit.
This man is absolutely batshit crazy. I don't know if it is dementia or PTSD, but he is NUTS! He does not have any problem staying in Iraq for 100 years, or even invading it. Hello, Iraq was and is a sovereign nation. I am not promoting a Pakistan invasion. I am against all wars. If Pakistan is harboring bin Laden, then the Pakistanis need to go after him until they capture him or NO MORE MONEY from the good ole USA and sanctions to boot. Enough al gd ready.
Diogenes @ 93:
Garrison Keillor pins it:
Pakistan does not and cannot to exercise sovereignty over the tribal areas, therefore military action against targets in the tribal areas cannot violate sovereignty that does not exist. Even if Pakistan did control the tribal areas, under international law, governments have an obligation to ensure that their territory is not used by third parties as refuges from which to attack neighboring states. If they are unable to prevent such violations of neutrality, they are no longer considered to be neutral.
"Garrison Keillor pins it:
“It’s no surprise that Senator McCain likes to bring out his 96-year-old mother Roberta, I suppose. The problem is that she is a lot perkier than he. The gentleman has had a few bad weeks, thundering in a dithery way about America’s enemies, looking vaguely purposeful campaigning up and down supermarket aisles as if he couldn’t remember what kind of cheese he’d been sent to buy. He surely will hit his stride after the Republican convention, but at the moment he looks to be eight years too late. The brash Bull Moose independent of 2000 has made all sorts of accommodations since, abandoning common sense when necessary, and his unsteadiness the past couple weeks makes his age an unspoken issue: Anyone who remembers the Iran-Contra years and the president who couldn’t remember is not anxious to see a genial oldster dithering in the Oval Office. There is more to the job than flashing a big grin. You do need to make sense now and then.”"
Now and then??? Boy, how much lower are they going to set the bar for this confused old fruit.
really? when did sovereignty matter John?
McCain to follow bin Laden to the gates of hell - unless the gates are in Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGc5iWuUNDs
The US has a lot of insane policies under the Bush administration. Even more illuminating is that this was existing US policy under the Clinton administration (and was then opposed by Republicans).
Gee, Iraq was a sovereign nation too...
Isn't it nice how sovereignty can be safely ignored when it proves inconvenient?
Musharraf was ousted from power months ago, C&L. Yousaf Raza Gillani is Prime Minister now.
McCain may be wrong on everything else, but he's right on respecting the sovereignty of Pakistan.
When Obama first made his pledge to hit targets in Pakistan without Pakistani clearance, it was during the election that cost Ms. Bhutto her life and Mr. Musharraf his job, and his statement was front page news. It won Obama and the United States no friends in Pakistan.
It was an appallingly stupid thing to say, and yet he keeps saying it. If the United States has no friends in Pakistan, where will we get our "actionable intelligence?"
And if Obama thinks hitting targets in Pakistan without permission is such a good a idea, why blab about it beforehand? Does he want their jets ready to meet ours, when the day comes?
Commentator @ 88:
Hehehe...nah...McBain smells of Brylcreme, prune juice, and BenGay...with a slight hint of Pepto.
wobbly @ 101:
Excellent points I must admit.
I am still gonna vote for Obama though.
If someone gave mcplane a jet to go after Bin Laden he'd crash it in Packistan and would pobably stay there to be tortured (if he should live so long).
We have already hit targets in Pakistan, and it's been a matter of policy before this chickenshit whining about Pakistan "sovereignty" as if that issue means something. Remember Iraq "sovereignty?" Actionable intelligence comes from many sources, unfortunately, a lot of it HAS NOT come from Pakistan sources. If you are going to get all pussy about suggesting that you will hit targets wherever they may be, then you might as well not say or broadcast your attention to get Bin Laden or anyone else.
102 liberalMcSuuuurgeNmoderation Says: Commentator @ 88:
liberalMcSuuuurgeNmoderation @ 81:
Commentator @ 78:
Ian @ 74:
To be fair, the Vestibule of Hell only has clouds of insects which chase and sting you for eternity.
Indeed….not to be confused with the Foyer of Hell, which has poor lighting, and that awful smell of mothballs and feet.
Just like “Grandpa” McCain!
Hehehe…nah…McBain smells of Brylcreme, prune juice, and BenGay…with a slight hint of Pepto.
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He also has budweiser breath with a hint of c*nt.
McCain has just more or less admitted that the War On Terror has nothing to do with terrorists, and everything to do with what nations we conveniently choose to support.
"Sovereign nation?"
Um....
Wasn't Iraq a sovereign nation? Isn't Iran a sovereign nation?
Sovereignty has yet to calm John McCain's eagerness to start wars.
I'll take any excuse to repost this gem:
GWB on sovereignty
McBush is just one stupid S.O.B..
Even Bush in the videos with McBush should be wearing a shirt that says "I'm with stupid" in big red letters.
Every word that comes out of this guys mouth is either a lie or just made up crap.
McCain should be asked to provide HIS definition of sovereignty. Bush was asked this back during his presidential debate and seemed to have a little trouble with tribal sovereignty. Just yesterday we Bush made a speech declaring Pakistan is a strong ally in the war on terror while at the same time a US predator drone fired missiles into Pakistan without authorization from the Pakistani government. Fine example of sovereignty.
Flashback of Bush on tribal sovereighty...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xVRXLgLxw
Sorry sooth Hussein @ 109, I missed your post as I was typing mine. Oh well.
Just more evidence someone is ready for the retirement home.
That freakish smile he frequently uses makes my skin crawl.
"McCain to follow bin Laden to the gates of hell"
Where Bush and Cheney will be waiting with the keys.
bin Laden has never been charged with the 9-11 attacks.
He's been convicted by American politicians - who have ordered his execution.
But he's never actually been charged with the crime.
Wasn't Afghanistan a a sovereign nation? How about Iraq? I mean I know we weren't after bin Laden in Iraq but we they were a sovereign nation. In fact there aren't all that many places bin Laden could go that weren't sovereign nations. What in hell is McCain babbling about?
MountainMan23 @ 115:
This is true, even the FBI classify him as only a "suspect".
On Topic: I don't know if this has been covered, but I think this statement has been taken out of context and as a result dems just look petty taking issue with it from this angle.
Of course, I think McCain's claim is bullshit because catching bin Laden deprives the fear factory of their bogey-man. But that is another topic as well.
When taken in context of the entire statement, the phrase "Larry, I’m not going to go there and... etc" and the more familiar "Don't even go there" mean pretty much the same thing.
He isn't "going to go there". if he did "go there", the flack here would be about how he's trying to start a third war against the nuclear Pakistan.
Lets be fair and balanced, if for no other reason than to prove to Fox it can be done.
He did say he would follow Usama and do what it takes, going into Pakistan should be implied by this statement. Refusing to rattle a saber a sovereign state [b]by name[/b] while on the campaign trail speaks to me of judgement far better than what has been shown by the Bush administration since day 1.
Great. Now that we agree, lets tackle him over the REAL issue, which of course is that he (rightly) "won't go there" with Pakistan and won't get the fuck away in the case of Iran.
Nail the hypocrisies without skewing the context. We are better than that.
to clarify:
lets tackle him over the REAL issue, which of course is that he (rightly) “won’t go there” with Pakistan and (wrongly) won’t get the fuck away in the case of Iran.
So let me get this straight...
Your position is that Pakistani "sovereignty" isn't important? That it's perfectly fine for the US to carry out military operations in "sovereign" nations? ...as long as it's in the name of terrorism?
So I guess the Iraq war is A OK then?
Sometimes I wonder about you guys.
Bill @ 26:
Honestly. I cannot figure out how a man could make so many bonehead statements and people will still vote for him. And all they talk about on MSM is that Obama is too smart, too confident, too popular. Maybe Obama should start saying some really stupid things, so he'll appear more in touch with the brain-dead American Public. Sometimes I think I am dreaming. This can't be for real.
PorridgeGun @ 5:
Does he ever? He's senile?
"Johnny, how important is the president? Can you make any money being president? Bin Laden, bad? GO!"
sooth Hussein sayer @ 109:
Oh man, an all-time favorite, makes me proud as ever of my Choctaw blood.
I'm also part French, conservatives love me.
Osama suffering from renal failure in a hospital in Dubai July, 2001. CIA purportedly visits him at hospital:
links not working???
McCain will follow bin Ladin to the Gates of Hell - unless Hell is a sovreign nation. Then he'll just kick back and let Satan handle it.
McCain is a wimp, pansy and pussy.
He's soft on terrorists. Hmm, maybe he likes them, just like he has a crush on Paris and Britney.
Excuse me but,
This is the very exact twist Bush ran against John Kerry.
Bush didn't need NO U.N. permission slip to go after Bin Laden. Then as Bush had Bin Laden at Tora Bora he stopped and called troops back from entering Pakistan. Why? Because Bush said Pakistan was a soveriegn nation. Which means he needed a Permisson slip................................
Now McCain does this?
Someone here at Crooks & Liars should find Bush's clip then and run it along side this McCain clip.
One other issue?
Can Sen john McCain name a nation that is not soveriegn that he would send in troops if Bin Laden was there?
Mr. McCain
Why your party or your government didn't think about Afghanistan and Iraq sovereignty. Although your government knows that Bin Landen And the other terrorists are there. Maybe Bin Landen give you some money to do not attack on his group nest. why your government doesn't respect Afghanistan sovereignty that everyday U.S troop kills many innocent people.
Why you don't want to say that you and your country scaring from Pakistan's Atomic weapons.
Have I heard McCain say that he was going to go after OBL BEFORE he became president
with maybe a little help from Bush to maybe make it possible to make it to the presidency?
I think it depends on how the poles look in late August. I think they want to give Peg Noonan,
Cokey Roberts, Maureen Dowd, and Mary Matlin something to get excited about,
something to cheer about. The ladies get bored so easily.
bill doh @ 106:
HA! Nice!!!
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