Obama and McCain Tied In Latest Poll
By Nicole Belle Sunday Aug 03, 2008 3:00pm
The trend of the tracking polls hasn't been good of late. Rasmussen, which is a quite reputable poll, has Obama and McCain tied today -- and with leaners (basically people who haven't made up their minds, but are forced to choose for the poll), McCain is up by one point. This is the first time that McCain has tied or beaten Obama in the poll, Obama has always been up. Not anymore:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when "leaners" are included, it's McCain 47% and Obama 46%.
This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3 (see recent daily results).
I've had a bad feeling about the direction of the campaign for the past couple weeks. We've been saying for months that McCain and the GOP would go negative, very negative. No surprise. That is what's happening. Karl Rove and his crew are at their best destroying people and they're running the show now. The latest tracking polls seem to indicate that McCain's negative attacks are having an impact. The corollary is that Obama's response hasn't been working, or at least it hasn't been enough. That needs to change, fast.
Granted, this is a national tracking poll and, as we've written many times, this election is about the states, because it is. I'll be monitoring FiveThirtyEight.com for any movement on the state polls.
For those who think it's too early to be worried, here's some historical perspective: the first Swift Boat ad attacking John Kerry was launched on August 5, 2004.
Cenk Uygur has some suggestions for Obama to break the stalemate:
Instead, right now the only conversation is about whether Obama is qualified to be president or not. I think McCain's ads in this regard have been comical. They have flat-out sucked. But that doesn't matter. Because the only thing that matters is the conversation itself.
If Obama doesn't change the topic, he gives up an enormous advantage he has, which is the American people are grossly dissatisfied with the Republican Party (even the chairman of the NRCC is telling Republican Congressman to run away from their own party). Make the election about Republicans.
Secondly, Obama has not attacked at all. This is the same mistake Kerry made. He could have pounded Bush for all of his mistakes; instead he hardly laid a glove on him because he wanted to run a positive campaign. That's ridiculous.[..]
Should Obama go after McCain for voting with Bush 95% of time last year and 100% of the time this year? He would be an absolute idiot if he doesn't. Who cares about the nuances? That's not what voters remember. They'll remember that McCain voted with Bush almost all of the time, for whatever reason.
Obama wins simply by having this conversation. If the question is -- does John McCain blindly follow George Bush -- Obama doesn't even need to win that debate. He wins simply by having that debate. What is stuck in people's mind is how much McCain voted with Bush.
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WHAT?! Obama should be so far in front of McCain. WTF is the matter with people? How much more abuse do you want to take?
not to worry i'm going with the smart progressive to finish strong in the stretch
Gallup Daily (Aug 4, 2008): Obama 46%, McCain 43%
My feelings on what the Obama campaign should do are well known. If we can't beat this wrinkled up, two faced, conceited, lying old bastard and his party of criminals then we don't deserve to win EVER.
What bullshit. One guy gets ahead by ten points, and the polltakers are afraid people will stop paying attention. So the next poll has them tied. Why, oh why do smart folks still buy into this crap?
What you forget is that the blind Reslugs are far from educated, smart people, that are able to think on their own. Remember they watch Faux Noise and suck up their daily talking points.
Wow, the dissonance of the American public is deafening.
I gave up trying to explain American politics to some of my foreign acquittances. Myself I can can't understand how the current president has an approval rating below 30%, and yet a candidate of the same party which is hell bent in continuing the same policies gets almost 50% of the vote.
When are American voters going to educate themselves and stop falling for these attack ads? Hey people, wake up and smell the coffee! Stop making decisions from repeated sound bites that are 90% lie with 10% entertainment factor added in for effect. Sheeshe :(
rider3 @ 1:
He's "different", he's "elitist", he's "inexperienced", he's a "Muslim", he's "too popular", he's "too arrogant"...
Replace all words in quotation marks with "black" and you'll have your answer to the question..."WTF is the matter with people?"
rider3 @ 1:
i'm not smart enough to understand that logic that obama is suppose to be "far in front"...who says that with any
logical backing....math model.....help me out
I smell the diabolical work of the Reptard Election Riggers at hand here!~ Yes, indeed! Watch out for those 50/50 polls - that's when they can easily rig the election without being detected or suspected.
One has to wonder if cell phones were used at all in this poll since this is critical to the average age of the respondent. I've given up using a land phone eons ago and every young voter is connected to a cell phone so if they're using land phones for their survey, they'll naturally get old geysers to respond who are so afraid of losing their god called "money" that they'll vote for McSame even is they have to put a bag over their head to to so.
Let's get a valid poll here using cell phones and polling our youth and then we'll see what the more realistic numbers are. This smells like pure, unadulterated reichwing bullshit to me.
centralilgirl @ 7:
We are a nation of 11 year olds. When are people going to "educate themselves"? You assume they WANT to be educated. Americans are lazy. Education is hard work. Keeping up with current events is hard work. Understanding the world is hard work.
Best to fall back on our prejudices and twisted view of the past. Then things are so much clearer...so much easier.
If this is actually true then America has become the most stupid fucking country on Earth. This would mean, if true, that half of Americans want four more years of Bush or worse ? That American 'believe' the negative adds even when false and have proven to be so ? Maybe so .. especially when a country like yours has 30 percent of the population as OBESE ... 3 out of 10 American as fat a fucking hippos .. and another 40 percent over weight or fat. And this in a country where more people vote for American Idol than the president of the country. My god .. you people are the worse on Earth ..
constituent @ 9:
Here's a clue: Do you believe ANYTHING you read in the print media or on television today? If you do, you're in serious trouble, "my friend".
I have said it before and I'll say it again. Americans are narcisstic, uneducated, self-absorbed dumb-asses! I can't beleive how uninformed we truly are! If Obama loses, I'm going to Canada.(That is if I can afford it, but the way things are going, we will all be living in boxes.)
constituent @ 9:
Grampi has daily senior moments and then tells lies that only children would believe and where is the crappy news network and faux news and morning joe? discussing the latest poop to come out of karl roves a$$.
I blame Hillary.
(There, I said it!)
How many ways can you say "bogus poll"?? Now Rasmussen is trading in their credentials for a bit of blackmail, too, eh?
BOGUS POLL - DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD OF IT.
If the Obama campaign suddenly goes negative, just imagine how the GOP will spin that.
I don't see that the Obama campaign has much choice. They should launch an ad, very loud, very accurate,about how McCain voted alongside W, his record of voting against the troops or lack thereof, his flip-flops, his gaffes, everything, everyday, at all times. Run that for a week and let's see where the numbers fall.
I wish the American public would get a strong reminder what happened in 04. They fell for the "Swiftboat" crap and within 6 months of putting Bush back in office for another 4 they were turning against him.
Are Americans truly going to fall for this crap again? I don't get it. They will be voting against their own financial future as Republicans are all about big business.
People have been voting against their future for years by voting Republican.
P.D. @ 14:
Not me...I'm gonna get me a job in McDonalds! Then I can live in a plastic crate!!
Hmmm...one has to wonder what goods BushReich has on Rasmussen now? Let's face it: His illegal spy program had everything to do with blackmailing those who might be honest which includes congress and every aspect of his administration - the media, and his fascist empire. They have to walk in total "lockstep" or they're exposed.
Like I said earlier, when the Olympics are over and the conventions hit plus the debates, that's when a lot of people are going to take time to pay attention and then they will discover the Maverick straight talker they have been hearing about is nothing more than an elderly man who has trouble speaking off the cuff to a group of people. That along with a few reminders of how like bush his policies are, will be enough to make people see the big picture. Of course there are some who wouldn't vote for Obama if he handed them a million dollars.
Why would anyone believe that? The msm would never lie or skew a poll, now would they?
I live in a red state, and everywhere I go I do informal interviews. I've yet to find one person who admits that they would even consider voting for McKeatingfive.
Even idiots still riding around with W stickers on the back on their Pintos have expressed a pro-Obama viewpoint.............so, duh.
Right about now you have to ask yourself, with the Obama campaign literally awash with ample funds enough to drive home his message and/or respond to McSame's attack ads, WHAT IS HE DOING? Nothing, not a goddam thing,...
Welcome to the next 4 years people. More war, wholesale bankruptcy, destruction of our infrastructure, more civil rights abuse. Obama's not the saviour.
The fact that McCain is even gaining at all just by running negative ads makes me think:
I cannot stand the average American. You, Average 'Murkan Voter, are an flaming IDIOT if you buy into anything McCain is selling.
Hopefully I wake up tomorrow in a better mood. Maybe somebody will do something to bring me BACK to the notion that not ALL 'Murkans are fools.
Obama will still "win" this thing. But will he be president? Depends on whether we let the republiscum to steal it and if the Average 'Murkan Voter will be ok with them stealing it....AGAIN.
Grrr.
Obama needs to get MUCH tougher against McCain. Otherwise he will go the way of Kerry.
Is anyone really surprised that polls indicate we're within a Diebold's margin of error?
Now back to my "Countries of the World" catalog..
osiris @ 13:
do i believe "ANYTHING" yes i do believe some interviews/materials/documentaries...i don't believe obama should or has to be in front maybe i miss understood your meaning told ya i'm not too bright
Does anyone remember hearing anything about the fact that people with cell phones can't be polled ? So many young votes just have cell phones. Are they being left out of the equasion?
Obama's camp should point out to the so-called religious right that McCain dumped his old wife for a newer, younger rich trophy wife. I mean isn't it hypocritical of them to vote for a man who betrayed his wife?
Then there's always the "karmic explanation" of things - like Whoopie Goldberg said - things have gone so far down the $hithole, thanks to the Republicans, that it'd be karmic payback that one should also clean up their own $hit. Maybe people think that a Democrat, especially one this qualified, shouldn't clean up the humonguous mess created by the criminals in control?
They say that every addict has to hit his own "nadir" before recovery can legitimately take place. Maybe we only "think" we've reached the bottom of this dark pit called "self-destruction"? Maybe we have even farther to descent down the rabbit hole?
Liberal@20, LOL! Wow! Shoot for the moon! Plasic. How posh!
pissed off patricia @ 22:
I like you, POP, but I'm sorry. You're wrong.
The GOP need do nothing but give closet racists a "legitimate reason" to vote against Obama, and provide cover for their RACISM.
Now...I said this before...I'll say it again. When this endeavor started, I believed that running Hillary or Obama could be the biggest mistake the Dems ever made. This country, and I still believe this and will continue to believe it until the country proves me wrong, is simply NOT READY to put a woman or a minority in the White House.
Maybe when the next generation reaches voting age...but not now.
The Obama campaign needs to make a laundry list of all of Bush's failures and repeat them like a mantra, using Bush in his many dancing routines as the video backdrop:
The Iraq War - Mission Accomplished, Hardly
Lying to the American people about the reasons for going to war
Failure to "stay the course" in Afghanistan
Guantanamo Bay
Abu Graib
Ignoring Richard Clarke's advice about Al Qaida, which resulted in 911
Scooter Libby/Valerie Plame
Karl Rove
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
Harriet Meirs
Alberto Gonzales
The Justice Department Scandal
The housing crisis
The economy
Our weak dollar
Our indebtedness to foreign nations
Squandering the budget surplus we had only to have the largest deficit in history
Healthcare
Our current standing in the world
Social Security (thank God we didn't let that clown invest those funds)
Too many to list - excuse me while my head explodes- please feel free to add your own fiascos.
Bless you, bless you, C&L.
Maybe some of this will finally get through to the Obama campaign.
What McCain is doing is simply using ads to channel ordinary people's ordinary desire to fear or hate or ridicule (remember 7th grade? We're all still in it!), and moving that over to Obama as the object.
And once you're stuck with it, you're stuck. WAKE UP, Dems. Fight back, and hard.
Jerry @ 351:
I learned long ago what some of our American friends are learning now. Seen/heard one politician, you've seen 'em all. They are all lying scheming crooks. Right down to municipal governments (which are nothing more than local business owners who need the cash because their products and services do not compete with anyone).....
Barbara in BC @ 321:
Really! Where? I'd vote for Marxist before I would vote for a Republican.
You don't see anything.
Alice X - (Chomsky Nader) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 361:
In fact, I would take Hemlock before I would vote for a Republican.
But if you think the Democrats are any great prize you are sorely misled.
Democracy undermined.
Barbara in BC @ 341:
Corruption that benefits is still corruption.
FreeDUMB @ 363:
That would be the illusion not holding up to the reality and AT LAST the questions.
An interesting thread
Point # 1
In the 2004 electons Bush got approx. 62 millionn votes
Kerry got approx,. 59 million votes.
This translated to Bush Electoral College votes of Approx. 286 and Kerry 250
Very small differences.
POINT # 2
OK. There were a lot of people that did not vote.
People do not change voting patterns on a whim or even if the past government is totally incompetent. Maybe they do. But in the end then government you get is what you get, even if only 51% voted for that govenment.
If you want to vote for an independant or A Green Party candidate that's your choice.
Sometimes I am one of those types.
POINT # 3
When it comes to voting people are totally clueless. Last wekend we had some people over for dinner. At one poi
rider3 @ 1:
how could some one read my mind if only everybody thought like us
jdw @ 340:
yes fuk them all those stupid basterds
ConcernedCanuck asked:
"What did Harper, Martin, or Chretien ever do to benefit the majority of Canadians? Nothing, that’s what."
Chretien kept us out of the Iraq war and I have not got any problems with anything past Liberal governments have done. They were very good. Harper is a creep though.
General_Rennenkampf said:
"Corruption that benefits is still corruption."
That's an illogical statement. Something that benefits the majority cannot be defined as corruption.
Corruption: "The act of changing, or of being changed, for the worse"
Polls don't matter, it's the electoral votes that matter. Obama has a lock on that. The corporate media wants ratings with all this bla, bla, bla about polls, pay it no mind.
SCHRODINGER'S CAT @ 366:
JUST TO CONCLUDE
At one point I asked " who do you think will, or should , win the election".
One lady , a staunch right winger ( well educated and well informed) said McCain, but at the same time acknowledged that Bush was a disaster.
Everyone else groaned.
Tom M @ 371:
Agreed!
ConcernedCanuck @ 334:
it is folly to consider our system as 'democratic'... put aside the corruption, the govt-corp revolving doors, $$$$, etc., etc., etc.
in its most basic form, taking out all the dirtiness that is part and parcel of the system, we never had a true democracy. we had/have/will have a representative democracy. that way the "adults" can temper the whims of the "children" (us).
and if you go back to the "founding fathers" you would be appalled at what they considered for the republic: in the struggle btwn jefferson and hamilton. and, hello, only landed, white men could vote. (grain of salt: it was the 18thc)
no, we have been convinced that 'we, the people' set the country's course, but this is about as accurate as declaring that that market is inerrant.
Barbara in BC @ 369:
It doesn't matter how much it benefits, if the methods used to achieve it are evil. If the Mafia protects people, they keep them from being killed, but at what price? Same principle applies with those money-grubbing bastards we dub politicians.
Samson- @ 374:
She's Canadian, she has a Westminister system...with the different type of corruption inherent to that system.
General_Rennenkampf Says:
"She’s Canadian, she has a Westminister system…with the different type of corruption inherent to that system."
Exactly what corruption goes on in Canadian elections? Do tell.
Barbara in BC @ 377:
My guess is backroom deals and palming money. That's universal in every political system.
General_Rennenkampf @ 378:
You think so, do you? You might be right, but not on the same scale! Take a look at the biggest 'corruption and influence peddling scandal' to hit the last Canadian election. The Conservative minister of immigration had to resign because she suggested to a pizza shop owner that she would look into his immigration case if he supplied free PIZZAS to the volunteers at her election center. That's right, in Canada a couple of FREE PIZZAS can bring down a cabinet minister. The Canadian electoral system is ROTTEN TO THE CORE, man, I tell ya.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/parliament38/characters.html
Thanks Pericles, I had forgotten about "Pizzagate". We have limits to how much our politicians are allowed to spend on elections, and they don't drag on so long. Also there are limits to how vile the attacks can be.
OH NO, not the POLLS. They must be right. They couldn't possibly be rigged. That's like saying elections are stolen in America. These things don't happen here, maybe Mexico.
I believe 8-9% of the population moved towards this Alzheimer's driven, flip flopping lying sack of patriotic bull who apparently is "not speaking for the campaign".
I also believe that most American's have more faith in McCain when in comes to energy than they do in Obama; after all, off shore drilling is gonna reap us tons and tons and tons of oil and money and this whole energy thing will be fixed and gas prices will come down. Yep I believe Obama's approach is just to cumbersome. I trust the GOP on matters of oil; they have a track record of watching out for us little guys with energy costs and electricity and stuff.
I believe 13,000 Midwestern Americans and Canadians got ill from Salmonella from Jalapanoes. Them darn, Jalapanoe eating American and Canadian white people that got themselves sick; they should have known better. The tomato lobby sure knew better; they blamed it on Mexico.
I believe McCain does not represent more of the same and indeed is ushering in change; I see a bad moon rising on the right.
Human Cannonball @ 355:
you don't know ANWAR
You know Anwar Sadat?
It just struck me.
If Obama loses, the Western world might actually turn on the U.S. rather than just being disgusted. If the U.S. were nuked, there would be hurrahs in Europe.
People get what they need, and there are a lot of young souls in the U.S. who are clearly seeking the hard lesson. What a pain. That fat lady burbling out her flag-pin question is the kind of simple creature who is going to get squashed by her own immaturity. Too bad the rest of us will have to suffer along with her.
I'm back and forth on the whole, "Should Obama Attack Back" question, and I'm leaning more these days toward, "Yes, if we don't want to get nuked." But then the frog people won't learn a thing.
I just wish there was a real candidate. Whether or not Obama is genuinely trustworthy is a question which is far from having been answered.
Barbara in BC @ 341:
Keep in mind USA is not really a "democracy". The government was formed as a republic and it uses democratic conventions to elect representatives and establish local legislative priorities (bonds, etc). More recent US experiments with pure democracy has yielded a putrid maze of "voter initiatives" as a way to bypass complex constitutional considerations. Look for republicans to put wedge initiatives on ballots across the country e.g. "should marriage remain a sacred covenant between a man and women..." as a way to bring out republican voters. Republicans vote in larger percentages than dems so this will work very well. For sure, our republic has failed to prevent a majority party (republicans) from asserting tyranny (Iraq war, corporate activistist supreme court, search and seizure, torture, rendition, erosion of business regulations, citizen/employee rights, etc) over the minority party. The constitution was designed to prevent the form of government Bush has installed- where loyalty to a single political party (or decider) is valued above all else.
Unless Obama fires up the campaign here at home, he will most certainly lose. He is vulnerable and will not survive a swift boat attack. I'm tired of hearing how we lost because of mean spirited republican attacks. Is McCain is incontinent? What if John McCain is too busy having his diaper changed to defend against a nuclear attack?
The media knows Dems don't show strength so they pick on Dems like bullies. America has started a senseless war, embraced torture, death penalty, we send sick people to die on the street if they don't have insurance, corporate executives gain 10% a year in salary while they strip mine human resources. USA loves watching people get hurt. If the victim is perceived as "weak" all the more fun. As the media cheer leads, they'll happily eviscerate Obama (and you too) if it means $.01 more in corporate advertising.
Rollo Tomassi @ 24:
Who in the hell is running the Obama campaign? Did Shrum get hired again? Based on what I'm NOT seeing from Obama; it sure seems that way.
We have been down this road before. It's hard to believe that we're going down the Tom Dewey model for a national campaign again.
Listen, Obama advisers. Your base is trying to tell you something.
Charles @ 287:
I saw my first "W Bush/Cheney 04" bumper sticker in quite a while the other day. It was on a 10 year old sub-compact POS that was rusted, with dull fading paint, plastic taped over the left rear window, bald uneven tires, and what looked like a family of about eight crammed inside like sardines.
They also had the back covered with religious right stickers. I pulled up next to them and just started laughing. Unfortunately, that's proably eight McCain votes right there.
It would be nice if it were "Dewey beats Truman" but I could be a grandpa, only have a land line, and gave McCain a "0" from 0-9 on desirability in a phone survey last week. Maybe Rasmussen rigged it with selective area codes so there would be something to report? Maybe the mainstream media propaganda is unbeatable? One of my pet theories is that there really is something bent in the current American psyche and people actually want to vote for candidates that are visibly deranged.
It does come down to the supreme court. Eight years of McCain and the republic is dead. We'll have absolute dictatorial rule on the whim of an oligarchy and a society in constant crisis.
OK people, I have an exercise for you.
Don't think of an elephant. Whatever you do, DO NOT THINK OF AN ELEPHANT.
Got that? Good. Now what did you think of? Exactly.
This is what Republicans do. They say things like, "Obama is a Muslim" and it doesn't matter that, in fact, he's not. What matters is that they get enough dumbasses out there thinking that Obama is a Muslim.
Framing the debate is an art. And Obama hasn't been very good at it, but McCain is definitely showing his true, despicable colors by using these tactics. Obama needs to counter attack, and he needs to do it fast, decisively and if he needs to get nasty, then he needs to be prepared to do so. Otherwise, it's over. Don't even bother. Republicans will once again come within striking distance so they can fraudulently take another election.
How's that for a nightmare scenario?
Pericles @ 379:
If they had real Canadian bacon on them, it was worth it!
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 389:
I agree! And I just realized that I pulled a FUX NEWS on everybody when I called her a 'Conservative' minister of immigration. That was when the evil LIBRUS were in power, and she was the Liberal minister of Citizenship and Immigration. *tsk!*
Pericles @ 390:
Right! Liberals are evil pizza eaters.
Laribee @ 383:
It's already starting to happen, but the U.S. is not getting nuked. Something far worse (at least from the american perspective). The U.S. is starting to get IGNORED! With the U.S. military machine bogged down in a quagmire, the american economy about to collapse, and the dollar at an all time low, the U.S. has no more 'hegemony capital' for George Bush to spend (heh heh). Iran is thumbing its nose at the west, the Saudis laughed in Bush's face when he asked them to pump more oil to lower the price, the World Bank drop-kicked Paul Wolfowitz into the shitcan, the foreign currencies and stock exchanges are becoming more valuable than the U.S. ones, and now (to add insult to injury) the European Union have decided to lift trade sanctions on Cuba.
My guess is that if McCain is elected, the world will stop paying attention to the U.S. altogether. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing. I for one, think the U.S. could USE some soul-searching time off the world stage. But it just goes to show you that if you even want the world to PAY ATTENTION to the U.S. after 2008, the only way to do it is to elect a 'rock star' who can at least move T-shirts in Berlin.
Philip Graham @ 82:
How about the Obama campaign hand out checks for 50 cents for a regular car, 1 dollar for a large car, to be paid in 2027, representating the 4 cents per gallon that drilling ANWR will eventually give us.
Obama and McCain Tied In Latest Poll
BS
Who in their right mind would vote for the so called "Maverick or "straight talker." (where ever those idiotic names came from) They are trying to do the same thing to Obama that they did to Kerry and it's not going to work! Who needs 4 more years of Bush!
Barbara in BC @ 373:
Though the votes themselves don't matter as the voting machines will tie in with what ever has been decided for an outcome, and it will be McCain even if 90% of country march on the white house with guns, they will be told they are a minority and "swing votes" and hanging chads made a difference.
Mean while the US and it's people bombs democracy into areas of the world it wants something from ......
BrokenArrow @ 23:
All Obama nees to do is to get his hands dirty a little and begin discussing the infamous Keating Five Scandal which still goes on ..... exposing Botox Cindy's business affiliations with Charles Keating which exist TO THIS DAY would be a beginning. Then factor in the latest bank scandal where John McSame's son had to resign and it begins to resemble a "family business".
No wonder Botox cindy won't release her tax forms! Hah! We've got that Stepford Fraud's number!
The corporate media is doing what they do best....
Turning the 1989 SF 49ers (Obama) vs 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (McBush)
Into Superbowl XXXIV...(Rams vs Titans)
In a world of reality, this wouldn't be a contest...however in that world, entertainment divisions wouldn't be
running the nightly newscasts either...
Bonkers @ 25:
And you all have already brought me back (A little)! Yes, I have been suspicious of fucking polls for a long time now. I mean, if McCain and his puppet masters try to steal the election for a third time in a row, they want to be able to point to polls like this one to reassure us, pack of morons that we are, that the election was ALWAYS close. Hearing some of you voice similar feelings makes me feel like I am not screaming inside of a sealed, glass case.
Damn, we're a stupid country.
Liberal AND Proud @ 33:
I think Pappy meant that the "maverick straight talker will be discovered by all to be the "maverick bull$hitter".