Bush To Weaken Endangered Species Act So Global Warming Can't Be Used As Cause
By Logan Murphy Monday Aug 11, 2008 11:00am
AP:
Parts of the Endangered Species Act may soon be extinct. The Bush administration wants federal agencies to decide for themselves whether highways, dams, mines and other construction projects might harm endangered animals and plants.
New regulations, which don't require the approval of Congress, would reduce the mandatory, independent reviews government scientists have been performing for 35 years, according to a draft first obtained by The Associated Press.
Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne said late Monday the changes were needed to ensure that the Endangered Species Act would not be used as a "back door" to regulate the gases blamed for global warming. In May, the polar bear became the first species declared as threatened because of climate change. Warming temperatures are expected to melt the sea ice the bear depends on for survival.
"We need to focus our efforts where they will do the most good," Kempthorne said in a news conference organized quickly after AP reported details of the proposal. "It is important to use our time and resources to protect the most vulnerable species. It is not possible to draw a link between greenhouse gas emissions and distant observations of impacts on species." Read on...
And the attack on science and reality continues. There is strong scientific evidence that global warming is affecting thousands of species of animals and plants, (not to mention humans and many things we take for granted) but in Bushworld, you can't acknowledge it or even talk about it. George Bush only has a few months left in office, and he's hell bent on ruining anything and everything he can get his grubby little mitts on.
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It's the permanent extinction of the Republican Party that Bush and his policies will be remembered for.
Cheap politics over science. AGAIN.
Are we surprised?
Kempthorne, the new James Watt.
pelosi, being complacent in regards to holding bushco accountable for crimes is just as bad as committing the crimes yourself. You have ratified the wrong doings of this horrible administration and in my eyes (and im pretty sure in many others eyes) you are officially as guilty as bushco. We know you will implicate yourself in the process because you knew of the crimes and didn't speak up. Time for you to take one for the team sweetie. Lead or get the hell out of the way.
Just one more insult to America that will be undone on Obama's first day.
I have said before, this is exactly why Nancy Pelosi should be covered in feces and thrown to rats for keeping impeachment off the table. Without the threat, there is no reason for the Busheviks NOT to throw the rest of the country to the ravenous arms of Corporat Murka.
there needs to be a cordon sang around the ShiteHouse. 100,000 people, with torches, pitchforks, spoiled produce and tar/feathers to drag the fuckers out of their cars and MAKE them accountable, if not to the courts, then to their "gods."
Pretty soon the only thing left on the endagered species list will be HUMANS!
(and, Cheney, Bush and their ilk wouldn't be include)
Required @ 5:
Just how do you suppose he'll do that? Once the Law is eliminated, or at leqast completely undermined, there is NO WAY the Congress will EVER betray the interests of their paymasters in the boardrooms. When the EPA is dead, it will be as extinct as the passenger pigeon...
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Why does George Bush hate the Earth?
My husband is a marine biologist who works with threatened and endangered species, in particular sea turtles. When he read this article this morning he just shook his head and closed the newspaper. I won't repeat the string of expletives he connected together to describe the bush administration.
If the Busheviks are gonna go "scorched earth,' then other, equally extreme measures are needed in reply.
Torches, pitchforks, tar-and-feathers.
Godfry Daniel @ 10:
Because he can't own it.
Chico Hussein @ 1:
Do you really think the Bush mafia cares about the Republican Party?
The Republican Party is simply another ship of fools or should I say tools, used by the Bush cabal over the last 50 years...and then tossed aside.
Did Prescott Bush really care about the Nazis? Did George Herbert Walker Bush really care about the Kuwaitis? Does George Walker Bush really care about the Iraqis? the Georgians? the Israelis?
Is ANYONE paying attention?
Okay, Kempthorne. Let's put you on an ice floe in the Arctic and see how that works for you.
It's the same intellectually dishonest 'it's just the sun getting warmer' nonsense we've heard before. I'm more inclined to believe that there's a payoff from carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases - an immediate part of our environment and one which we can influence through our energy/consumer choices, than to believe the sun is getting hotter (to such an extent that it's manifesting here on Earth, 93,000,000 miles away).
Thanks for posting this Logan. It appears that they tried to push this through under the radar during the Olympics.
Sneaky bastards.
The uniter has joined the words "dick" and "head" once again. Much like he united the words "ass" and "hole" in ways we've never seen.
These bastards are going to go into overdrive to wreck as much of the government as possible before they are thrown out. Their actions remind me of the Germans burning papers and mining bridges and buildings, memorialized in many movies, in the face of the Allied advance across western Europe.
And, yes, Pelosi is a raging disappointment.
Any bets on just how much more damage this regime can do between now and when they leave office? Winner gets
a free nights stay in the Roosevelt Room of the White House. :-)
This is why friends don't let friends vote Republican.
Liberal AND Proud @ 14:
I watched “War Made Easy” last night. A must see for everyone. Available at Hollywood Video.
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I do...but careful John...them kinda words could get ya in trouble...no matter how right they are.
This administration is a stones throw away from rounding up dissidents.
Their won't be anything left thats recognizable by the time Bush and Co. leave next January.
These guys have no intention of slowing down.
Drill, Drill, Drill!
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Liberal AND Proud @ 14:
Yes Vlad Putin
The Shrub won't be happy until everyone is forced into bankruptcy and living on the streets with the environment nothing more than a dark, gray landscape filled with pesticides and pollution.
woody, tokin librul @ 6:
She has not even read the articles. But has had time to write and promote a book.
tom @ 18:
I agree....yet somehow this seems even more despicable, desperate, and blatantly spiteful.
These bastards need to pay for their heinous crimes.
"George Bush only has a few months left in office, and he’s hell bent on ruining anything and everything he can get his grubby little mitts on."
as long as it benefits the oils companies and his "have and have more" base.
liberalNmoderation @ 29:
If it's gonna happen, it's gonna need to be you and me and the rest of us who makes it happen.
Oh, look! A new 'Survivor" series? And "Murkin Idol"? WOW...call for a pizza, ethel...
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"buuuuuurnin's to good for her....haaaaangins too good for her....she needs to be chopped into itty bitty pieces and buried ALIIIIIIVE"
Typical of this administration
Ugh, how evil can one administration get?
They must train by dismembering kittens each morning! Except on Saturdays, when they switch to puppies for novelty.
its_me_ya_krazy @ 4:
She is going to allow a vote on drilling when the House is back in session after labor day.
Just like I told you she would before they adjourned.
God I hate this Evil Incarnate.
Jan 09 cant come soon enough.
Gee does that mean we can take bush off the endangered species list and hope he rapidly goes extinct. Damn wouldn't that be something.
Liberal AND Proud @ 14:
You left off Panama.
I hope bush and his entire family get incurable diseases that lead to slow deaths that the jerk-off putz must witness and suffer greatly...
woody, tokin librul @ 31:
I hear ya man...we need to march on DC millions strong before november.
Think it'll happen? Nope,me neither.
This country's too goddamn complacent.
This answers the "What more can they do, they've only got n more months left in office?" question...
God, I've prayed it before and I'll pray it again, please smite these bastids from the face of Your planet.
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
I'm sure that humiliating the punk president, and I'm talking about OURS, is clearly on Putin's mind.
He's throwing ALL of GWBush's own words right back at him..."national security", "peacekeeping force"...and the best...."a resolution to INTEND to ceasefire" while all the while continuing to bomb.
Every American should be embarrassed, ASHAMED...but of course we're too stupid to understand that we are a neutered, emasculated bullshitting bully...we got nothing...and we are a reflection of our "leader"...another neutered, emasculated ignorant bullshitting bully.
And the next problem is RepublicOns now control the majority of American assets.
Leaving the rest of us on a sinking ship.
how long until the dems capitulate on this?
how long until obama looks for a compromise on endangered species? like, say, only the cute animals are protected, or some other friggin joke of a 'compromise'.
i am surprised that it took the right this long to attack what they view as a hindrance to their market supremacy. science, public health, voters, democracy ALL are to be discarded and thrashed by the market fundies.
obama--if the recent history is any guide--will look for the center... which happens to be what ever the corporatocracy wants.
sorry polar bears... (and all the other thousands of species that will be just a memory in our lifetimes)
Samson- @ 44:
That is why we have zoos, right?
Liberal AND Proud @ 14:
Without the Republican Party the neo-cons, aka The Mafia, wont have their Trojan Horse to wreak havoc on Earth. They wont have their 'Pearl Harbor', if you will, to justify their evil agendas.
Their only, last trace of hope is for Bush to declare marshall law before the elections, appoint himself dictator (officially) and continue his destructive policies with no checks and balances...... kinda like now.
I'm curious, where do the 'elite' think they're going to go when there's no clean air or water? Do they suppose they'll just be able to pull a safe clean place to live out of their asses? It doesn't matter how much money you have when every square inch of the planet is ravaged, covered in garbage and parched. There will be no where even for the reich to go. And when that time comes what will they do? Their usual strategy of blame and complain isn't going to help them.
rider3 @ 27:
too late.
China already owns us.
Chico Hussein @ 49:
Its single advantage is that it holds a lot of US dollars in various formats but I don't know that this is much of an advantage given the imminent tanking of American finance.
L.A. Confidential @ 43:
For some reason, Old growth forests come to mind. This doesn't solely apply to oil.
This will be across the board.
Clear cutting.
George Bush only has a few months left in office, and he’s hell bent on ruining anything and everything he can get his grubby little mitts on.
So how is that different today than eight years ago?
Nancy Pelosi-are you listening?
woody, tokin librul @ 8:
Actually, these regulation changes don't require the approval of Congress. As president, Obama could overturn them any time he wishes. Thankfully.
harley @ 38:
McSame wont win even his HOME country in November.
Chico Hussein @ 46:
After seeing his drunken performance at the Olympics, I think he can't wait to move to Paraguay.
MargeAggedon @ 47:
Marge, do a certain degree you're right. However, when you study weather patterns and computer forecasts you'll find that there are select areas around the globe that will be less impacted by higher pollution levels. Just as you will have denser concentrations over cities, you will lower concentrations in less populated areas. Ever been to Latin American regions and small islands. Huge tracts of land held by the wealthy...whole islands essentially owned by rich families. When you're rich, you can have food flown in. With some luck, environmental damage will inhibit food growth for the masses and kill off a large percentage of "the great unwashed"...which will reduce the need for extensive industry...which will defacto lead to lower pollution. The rich think in the long term, that is why they plan marriages and chart out the ongoing existence of their bloodlines.
harley @ 45:
So we can continue to live wasteful, polluting lives at the expense of the natural world?
I hope you're not as ignorant as your question make you seem to be.
Sorry, I forgot to add, "it was just a joke!" (refering to deleted post)
mudshark @ 51:
Well not just raw materials they now own or control finance, banking, the printing presses, the paper it's printed on, etc, etc. Basically they now "control" the Nations wealth and movement and liquidity of it.
Not a good situation. Unless your one of them, you'll starve before your highest ideals or dreams will be realized and manifest.
As Bush Sr said . . "The continual consolidation of Money, Power, and Wealth into higher, tighter, and righter hands".
Ron @ 56:
His land in Paraguay sits over the largest aquifer in the world.
Does that give you a warm fuzzy?
i really think bush should start drinking again, because then he might see reality.
harley @ 45:
Ahahahahahahahah!!
Reminds me of the politician who presented a "study" to parliment in the 90's that explained why all the lush, lucrative, protected and well located farm land in the Ontario valley should be handed over to private developers because "We get our food from grocery stores and we no longer need farms". This moron was fucking serious too.
MargeAggedon @ 47:
As mentioned above, Bush's think Paraguay is the correct answer.
Global warming is a HOAX! We are not responsible for the 1* COOLING going on right now. Species are discovered every day and other go extinct, that is the way of nature. There would be no room on the earth if all species were alive simultaneously. Imagine the extinction of liberals.
bryancri @ 64:
His head would be clearer if he started doing LSD ...
.... again.
bryancri @ 64:
Start? Surely you jest.
http://gawker.com/5035885/bush-looking-drunk-at-the-olympics
MargeAggedon @ 66:
See - someone understands sarcasm. That is someone with a white hat.
Marge - you read my mind. Touche'
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this is typical of this administration...they could give a damn about the future of this planet. well in the next 10-20 years more people in china intend on having an automobile. the middle class itself will be 300million strong.
i've read that up to 40% of the air pollution in parts of california can be attributed to wind currents from china.
i was listening to the ceo of lloyds of london the world insurer...they are very concerned about pollution and global warming.
Patriot @ 68:
are you implying that natural selection is REAL ?
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Patriot @ 68:
The Bible says that we are to take care of the earth (as stewards). I fail to see how tearing up the environment to make a profit is good stewardship.
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Patriot @ 68:
How about extincting animals like this first. They have nothing to contribute to any kind of life whatsoever.
ThunderMonkey @ 80:
The (GOP) Bible talks all about that mushy stuff, but it deals mainly with the benefits of Capitalism.
harley @ 79:
Delete their comments then.
I made comment that was on topic. And Liberal and Proud started attacking me with false claims.
You are censoring the wrong person. I have donated 3 times to this site. Never again.
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Chico Hussein @ 80:
Really? Wow... it [(GOP) Bible] shares some characteristics with the Satanic Bible. That's pretty scary.
I will give you one good example:
> one of the largest Caribou herds in Canada which use to number around 80,000 to 90,000 is now down to less than half that number...
the reason:
> as temperatures have warmed the Caribou, as they migrate have been forced to stay at higher altitudes in the mountains, instead of in the valleys, because the mosquito popluation is much larger and stays around longer because of the warmer weather, which irritates the Caribou... to stay away from them they stay higher up in the valleys as they migrate... however, the higher altitudes have less good food... so they are starving themselves or weakening themselves without even knowing it... so far less of them are surviving the winters...
there is most definately a link between what is happening to the animals of this planet and global warming...
it is not so much that the animals cannot adapt to these changes, as they have in the past, it is that these changes are happening way to fast for the ecosystem to adjust.... as they have in the past...
sacrificing the environment and animals for dollars and human energy needs is just nuts... once the animals are gone they are gone... no bringing them back... finished... caput...
Patriot @ 65:
Paid for by the John Mc Lame reality denial and voodoo science committee.
Dale @ 17:
Which one describes Cheney and which one describes bu$h?
Oh I forgot, it doesn't matter.
bmw H. 528 @ 84:
LOL!
He will continue for the next 160 days to create havoc just as he has for the past 2762 days. I can only hope and pray that McBush will not steal this next election. I don't think I could deal with that.
Are dubya and his buddies all sterile? Do they have grandkids?
I'll behave, sitemonitor.
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See this link to my Caribou example from 83 above... the problem I outline is actually much worse in Alaska...
http://capitalcityweekly.com/stories/061108/news_20080611009.shtml
Check it out....
These cocksuckers are just pure evil, plain and simple. The US & the rest of the world will be paying thru the nose for the Bush presidency for generations to come. I hope we can at least nail the SOB for war crimes, since impeachment is not looking likely.
Arthur Ford @ 88:
Please refer to L&P's comment @ 55 for an explanation.
Chico Hussein @ 65:
What makes you think he ever stopped?
Where's his bottle of Coca-Cola?
It's pretty odd that the only way to save animals is to put them in zoos.
Patriot@63
a hoax? holy snaparoonies! quick, someone should tell the warming earth! and imagine how embarrassed the ice will be for melting without a cause. stoopid ice.
coming attractions from patriot: the earth is flat, for why am i not leaning?
Patriot @ 63:
Trolls say the darnest things, don't they?
It seems the level of logical and scientific discourse among the GOPers is just based around the premise "that if a tree falls in the forrest and nobody hears it..."
Anyhow, and I can't believe that I am answering a troll. But just for giggles.... The fact that a species was just discovered does not meant that the species just stepped on the face of this earth for the first time. The fact that a species goes extinct does in fact mean that such species just stopped existing on this earth. So the 2 species (the one just discovered and the one just gone extinct did in fact co-exist).
GOPers sure are dumber than a telegraph post...
Samson- @ 97:
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The Bush administration put polluters in charge of virtually all the agencies that are supposed to protect Americans from pollution.
President Bush appointed as head of the Forest Service a timber industry lobbyist, Mark Rey, probably the most rapacious in history. He put in charge of public lands a mining industry lobbyist, Steven Griles, who believes that public lands are unconstitutional. He put in charge of the air division of the EPA, Jeffrey Holmstead, a utility lobbyist who has represented nothing but the worst air polluters in America. As head of Superfund, a woman whose last job was teaching corporate polluters how to evade Superfund. The second in command of EPA is a Monsanto lobbyist.
As second in command of the Council on Environmental Quality, directly advising the president on environmental policy, Bush put a lobbyist from the American Petroleum Institute whose only job was to read all of the science from all the different federal agencies to make sure they don't say anything critical about the oil industry.
He was there to lie to the American public, to protect one of the big corporate contributors to this White House. This is true throughout all of the agencies that are supposed to protect Americans from pollution, the Department of Energy, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Commerce which regulates fisheries, the Department of the Interior, EPA, and the relevant divisions of the Justice Department. The same thing, all these agencies and sub secretariats, it is the polluters who are now running these agencies.
And now, as a parting F-you to America, Bush is writing his own law allowing these corporate infiltrated agencies to decide whether their construction projects might harm endangered animals and plants.
Your intellect is only outpaced by your vocabulary. I had planned a trip to follow the Lewis and Clark route this summer in Bombardier Jet boats. We couldn't because not enough ice had melted by August! Look who is calling who names! Mindless numbed robots who believe anything without doing your own research.
Ron @ 99:
A fact though. LOL
Patriot @ 101:
And you base your reseach on a trip you planned? You might want to expand your research.
Patriot @ 100:
Pardon me for jumping in here, but that sounds very interesting. What part is still frozen? Montana? North Dakota?
Patriot@98
and, other than your own questionable observations, how do you counter the overwhelming scientific evidence? now that exxon has stopped funding anti-scientific writing, who is left to shill for big oil (other than you)?
or, lemme guess, scientists are part of the hoax?
mudshark @ 101:
I know ! I KNOW THIS ONE!!!! Mt. Rainier and Mt Hood.
History will reveal that this group of thugs in this Bush crime family has done more damage to the WORLD than any other despot ever has.
miss_kitty @ 103:
Nobody is going to let you answer if you don't raise your hand first.
Snark!
Patriot @ 98:
Wouldn't the recreation of Lewis and Clark using Canadian jet skis be considered unpatriotic? I don't know, since I haven't done as much research on the subject as you have.
Surging Blue Lensman @ 62:
"Sure hope they got beach volleyball down there in Paraguay... hehehe"
Why is mars heating up too?? Did the martians buy too many SUVs?
Patriot @ 98:
Luckily...I was in Oregon this summer with my wife....we went to Crater Lake (we also were in Portland, Corvallis! , Eugene, Ashland, Bend, The Dalles/Hood River, etc) and there was snow on the ground, 13 feet in some areas. I spoke to a Park Ranger...he stated that they had an unusual amount of snow fall this winter. Now...boys and girls and idiots (deniers/extinctionists, etc) we all remember where snow/rain come from...
But...just in case you are a right wingnut or a climate change denier/extinctionist...here's a handy, dandy refute to the "its record snowing in the arctic/antarctic/china/etc" talking point BS....
Blizzards & snow in the arctic/antarctic take warm air colliding with cold air to make moisture, which is energy...the more moisture you have in the air, the more snow/rain/blizzards you're going to have. Antarctica & the arctic are basically deserts, cold places tend to be drier....SOOOO...if these areas are experiencing more warm temperatures for longer periods of time....1+1=?
When you have warmer temperatures, longer into the year, in places that are historically cold & dry...you're going to have more....wait for it....snow/rain...there is a reason its 'record breaking'....THINK, THINK, THINK
Now...we've already heard hundreds of stories from scientists and numerous adventurous souls that decide to trek to the poles that 'there's something weird going on down/up here"....so...we can listen to right wingnuts and their noise machine....or take it from those who have resided in these areas for long durations of time/actually study the climate for a living....
Tough call, unless your brain is functional...
I can't believe I have to explain this yet again.
Global Climate Change is a complicated model. Some areas will have record heat, others record cold, some record ice, some record rain, some record droughts, stronger more frequent hurricanes and tornadoes. That will vary from region to region or even within a region but at record levels and record quickness. It's all caused by the shifting of the oceans and the various weather inducing currents, after a raise of just a few inches from melting ice.
I didn't want to resort to name calling but forgive me for the moment. MORONS! First Bombardier is American owned now. Next, the global warming theory is based solely on computer models using flawed data, not fact. If the model does not fit the expected outcome the "researchers" simply modify the equations so they can continue their research with Government grants. You have nearly all the information in the world at your fingertips but refuse to read what 80% meteorologists and geologists are saying. AlGore has been rebuked and dis-proven over and over again. Even the temperature monitoring stations are in contrived locations near the jet washes at air ports, next to incinerators or heating plants. Go look you can find it if you truly try.
Tim @ 108:
Mars has minimal atmosphere to screen the effects of the sun. So the portions exposed to the light heat up, and those not exposed go well below freezing.
...And stop with the polar bears on ice flows.. THIS IS NORMAL! Polar bears have been floating on Ice long before humans were allegedly destroying the earth.
woody, tokin librul @ 6:
That's already accounted for in Executive Orders.
Since the 60s race riots, plans have been made anticipating just such uprisings, and would play directly into the hands of those who made such plans.
If memory serves, these E.O.s can be verified at the National Register. The ones that blew my mind a few years back started at about #1000.
So, the old torches & pitchforks have been taken off the taken off the table, too.
Tim @ 108:
Damn....you're bringing up some old BS....
Debunked...
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-...
Who said Chimpy is coasting along in his final months? Seems like that piece of shit is going out with quite a blaze of glory.
It's hard to blame politics for shaping the results of those researching the climate change they're discovering, when those scientists researching the questionare from all over the world with non-matching politics and ideology.
And as for extinction of entire species being a part of the world history, we don't want that species to be Homo Sapiens (Homo Erectus don't matter, those pervs!)
The is one species of Chimp that had it become extinct 8 years ago countless numbers of living things - plants, animals and humans - could have survived.
The is a special place in hell for Republicans.
The Truth Hurts @ 116:
So that's a picture of chimpy in a white fur coat?
Ruthless People @ 119:
Employees lounge?
Tim@113
why i am not surprised that you are too dense to understand.
polar bears.
the polar bears drowning.
the polar bears drowning b/c of a lack of ice...
is that normal too timmy?
you and patsy are like zoo specimens, so rare, so dangerous, so smelly. yet quite an attraction to be viewed and studied.
Dr Charles Monnett, marine ecologist at the American government’s Minerals Management Service, “drowning-related deaths of polar bears may increase in the future if the observed trend of regression of pack ice continues.”
"For anyone who has wondered how global warming and reduced sea ice will affect polar bears, the answer is simple -- they die," said Richard Steiner, a marine-biology professor at the University of Alaska.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB113452435089621905-vnekw47P...
(note, wall street journal. not exactly a green-bastion)
argue that humans are the cause, but don't be a friggin' idiot and deny it is happening. now, idiot-along...
woody, tokin librul @ 6:
The site monitor thought my post was disgusting.
L.A. Confidential @ 23:
and worse then that they have no intention of leaveing, and stayings in the bag!
Patriot @ 111:
Wow..did you cut & paste this directly from CEI/AEI/American Petroleum Institute's website???
L.A. Confidential @ 23:
I frankly believe they have no intention of leaving in January.
Call me crazy.....
One of these days it will hit these idiots that the habitat they're destroying is our own. Let's, please, tell them every time we can.
Tim @ 113:
Greenland has its lowest level of ice since records have been taken...
Just a hint: nature does not give a rat's ass about your denial.
That is the folly of the right winger... way too entitled to give pause and try to understand their real position in nature.
BTW, next time lock yourself in your garage with your car running and let us know how "normal" that feels...
Amitola @ 126:
They need some idiot to inherit the mess, clean it up, and rebuild... who are they GOP grandchildren going to leach from otherwise?
They are the perfect parasites... they are not dumb enough to kill the host. The host is however dumb enough to not get rid of them...
Amitola @ 126:
You're crazy...but I must be too, cause I think they ain't gonna leave either.
anwaya @ 127:
They think gated communities will keep them safe, they work keeping the rif raf at bay, don't they?
Ron @ 123:
I'm surprised. They're used to me.
Patriot @ 63:
You're a moron. Obviously you know nothing about science to say something so goddamned stupid. The rate of extinction has increased dramitically since humans arrived and even more so since industrialization.
Just about every scientists (your liberals) agree because they actually study the evidence. You know that investigation and thinking thing you're a stranger to?
Go peddle your garbage somewhere else troll.
Just in case there any further doubts...about the 'snow/rain' angle of the deniers...
It's raining tigers and wolves
Science: Extreme rains supercharged by warming
Posted by Joseph Romm (Guest Contributor) at 9:28 AM on 10 Aug 2008
Science has just published, "Atmospheric Warming and the Amplification of Precipitation Extremes" ($ub. req'd). It concludes:
Here, we use satellite observations and model simulations to examine the response of tropical precipitation events to naturally driven changes in surface temperature and atmospheric moisture content.These observations reveal a distinct link between rainfall extremes and temperature, with heavy rain events increasing during warm periods and decreasing during cold periods. Furthermore, the observed amplification of rainfall extremes is found to be larger than predicted by models, implying that projections of future changes in rainfall extremes due to anthropogenic global warming may be underestimated.
In short, global warming is going to make extreme weather even more extreme than scientists have thought. And this conclusion is based largely on observational evidence:
The study team analyzed satellite images of rainfall over tropical oceans over nearly two decades, from 1988 to 2004 ...
This is something that climate models had predicted," [coauthor Richard] Allan said. "But getting the data from observations is very important" ...
For every 1.8 degree Fahrenheit (1 degree Celsius) rise in global temperature, heavy rain showers became more common, with most intense category jumping 60 percent.
Remember that on our current emissions path, we are headed towards 5°C warming in this century alone, which suggests we are headed for a staggering increase in intense rainfall. This has huge implications for both agriculture and human health:
With intense rains, "you can get flash flooding, and heavy rainfall can destroy crops," [Allan] said. "Those are the most immediate impacts."
Coupled with rising global temperatures, more frequent and intense rainfall has "major implications for infectious diseases," said Paul Epstein, a tropical disease expert at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts.
"After floods one often sees clusters of vector-borne diseases-malaria, dengue fever, Japanese B encephalitis," Epstein said.
Floods often cause a jump in cholera and other water-borne diseases, as well as plague and other rodent-borne diseases, he added.
The fact that the climate appears to be changing faster than the models suggested, and that the models underestimate likely climate impacts, is no surprise to Climate Progress readers. The media can try to downplay the connection between climate and extreme weather, but the science is quite clear that this impact has already begun and that it has serious consequences for human health and well-being.
Tim @ 108:
Wow, logical dissonance at its finest (or worst)
Tyler Durden @ 128:
Awesome. The denial of these people is amazing. It can only be driven by total ignorance of this subject. I'm curious what evidence they cite for their bullshit opinions.
Oh, that's right, there isn't any.
Tim @ 108:
Earth and Mars are statistically separate events. They are at different distances from the Sun, different sizes, and their atmospheres are different.
Most notably, as measured in 1976 by the Viking landers, Mars' atmosphere is comprised of 95% carbon dioxide.
Earth, on the other hand, is 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, and 0.03% carbon dioxide. (That may sound insignificant, but our atmosphere is pretty big.)
So we're looking at the impact of far more elevated levels of carbon dioxide on a smaller planet that is farther away. And you want to simplify things down to 'nyah, it's just the sun getting warmer'???
'Skeptics' = Deniers/Extinctionists...there is no difference
ysbaddaden @ 110:
Do you still have your Victrola to play all those records?
Shadowgm Hussein @ 136:
Funny how the free enterprise folk love to throw mars around, yet they completely ignore venus: Closer to earth's orbit, almost similar size, and represents the effects of a runaway greenhouse effect induced by elevated levels of CO2.
Yep ya'll are right. I haven't figured out yet that I breathe the same air and drink the same water as you self-righteous ding bats do. We stupid Republicans have our own strategic reserves of air and water for ourselves. That's why every morning on my 68 acre farm outside of Atlanta I burn a tire and cut down a tree so you can't enjoy it. I even feed my 110 cows beans so they will f.a.r.t. more and poison YOUR air (because I have my own air)! In fact I PERSONALLY convinced the CIA to develop AIDS to eradicate the __________ (insert name of race or religion etc. you hate most here i.e. Blacks, Mexicans, Muslins, Jews, ethnic slurs accepted). You pointy headed academic types really think you know it all. You just stand in corner at a party with your fashionable sweater, neatly trimmed beards and meerschaum pipes spouting theories to a room full of people who aren't listening because it's just fashionable to have you there. AlGore is full of shaving cream. Several scenes of his movie were FAKED! Polar Bears LOVE to swim and have been drowning since they evolved into existence. You don't know it all, NEITHER DO I, but I know a lie when I hear it and know a hoax when I see it. And PLEASE reserve a spot in hell for me, I'll be in the boiler room throwing trees in the fire and roasting spotted owls!
how long do we have to endure
this fucking bastard, bush?
dadams @ 141:
Brilliantly stated, eloquent, direct and to the point. A true example of the tolerant and compassionate left.
Gah...
My hand is cramping up. Ever since Bush took office, my middle finger won't go down...
dadams @ 141:
Tommy I told you not to write things like that! Go to your room and wait for your father to get home.
Tim @ 113:
…And stop with the polar bears on ice flows.. THIS IS NORMAL! Polar bears have been floating on Ice long before humans were allegedly destroying the earth.
Timmeh, i hope you haven't yet reproduced, but that you do, sometime in the next 15 years, so that you'll have front-row seats to watch as the world YOU give 'em kills 'em deader than the shit you have for brains...
Patriot @ 140:
Yeah, I love to swim, too. Doesn't mean drowning is considered 'normal,' and it doesn't mean environmental factors cannot be changed to affect my ability to survive.
I called the Prince of Darkness, he assures you that your spot in hell will be right next to Al Gore. (It's hell, after all.) Oh, and his infernalness was wondering if you'd like to purchase some damnation offsets ...
Well Said @ 142:
And conveniently ignoring the fact that the loving, Christian side of the house includes Fred Phelps and his kin.
I saw this item in the paper this a.m. Sounds like another one of those repub backed 'let the foxes guard the henhouse' deals to me.. (because they have now developed the expertise... paraphrased from actual report) Just another bit of shit the next guy is gonna have to undo once Chimpy is gone................JD
This has been the Bush administration's strategy since day one: undermine environmental protection via changes in the federal regulations (which don't get much attention from the general public) rather than through the legislative process (which does). Ask anybody who was working at EPA when Bush took office.
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