John McCain says No to Choice: I will be a Pro Life President!
By John Amato Friday Aug 15, 2008 9:57pm
This is something that he can't run away from anymore. Ladies, he's not your man. He said he will run a pro-life---or---anti-choice White House. Apparently---the innocent Iraqis that have been killed didn't get a chance to share in his vision for America.
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The beer barbie's kept toy-boy has spoken, Cindy wants to buy Johnny another mansion.
Why does he say "my friends" so darn often? Is that a trick for people with onset Alzheimer's to stay focused?
and when Obama follows the Military Industrial Complex's directives - he will be pro-Life too?
oh, thats right, you think you live in a free country.
You don't.
the problem with the "pro life" position is that it's advocacy for "human life" ends at birth.
TheGoodOldDays @ 4:
it's pretty clear that women count for nothing in your world. i hope i never have to live in it. it sounds cramped, painful and probably damp.
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Johnny is pro life, Johnny hates brown people, Johnny likes 100 year wars (killing brown peoples),
Johnny and Pat and Hagee want to meddle with your daughters womb.
If Johnny and his meddling pals cared about peoples health they would be pro single payer NHS health care for all, they dont.
So forty million Americans suffer with no planned or sensible healthcare, 100s millions more suffer with over priced healthcare, 10% live the good life.
How many American children go to bed hungry or in pain every night in Johnny McCain's Republican paradise, MILLIONS.
you are the simple-minded fool, "good old days" (your nick really says it all).
i certainly hope i never hear a report about you either having sex with a woman if not for the purposes of procreation or masturbating, you murderous bastard.
and i seriously doubt any woman in her right mind would have sex with you except for money.
if even then.
Yeh, the Good Old Days; keep the women pregnant and barefoot.
It's funny how killing the unborn is a crime but they usually have no problem killing afterwards, like the death penalty and senseless wars.
karen marie @ 8:
Be nice to Hannity, prob tired out after his experience in Brownsville...
So glad you revealed the real reasons behind you pro-lifers!!! Women get "themselves" knocked up!!! There are apparently no men involved!! Therefore, the immoral, self impregnating woman must be PUNISHED!!! She and she alone must therefore be responsible for the child!! NOT the state!!!! So, no healthcare once it's born! No education!! Nope!! It's part of the sins of the mothers, I guess! If only, only women would learn to not have sex before they are married or to limit the sex they have with their husbands!!! I guess . . Hypocrites.
This my friends comment is starting to really tick me off
McCain never would be my friend nor would I be his
Isn't Condoleesa Rice a murdering liar?
McCain's your man, ladies. He'll help you through your catharsis.
He'll be sure that women get everything they deserve from supporting him.
The right to have babies, even if you don't want them.
You won't have to worry about the wage gap. It's important that you stay home and raise those children to be good Americans, and to do God's work.
Don't worry about expenses. John McCain is going to cut your taxes and make sure that all the mens become millionaires for you.
Gotta love hearin' a whole buncha redneck ignoramuses a hootin' and a hollerin' when Mr. McGetYourWarOn claims to be "pro life".
Fucking morons.
Kilgore Trout @ 10:
Republicans are two faced and selective when it comes to human life, they are rather keen on 'pro life' for white girls, but killing black and brown kids is ok with the Repugs, no stone left unturned or social health program too small to axe if it might help non whites.
They are sh1t scared of the demographic timebomb, ie whites becoming a minority in the USA, which is a thing that will occur in the future.
Carol @ 13:
He definitely wouldn't be my friend as I don't buy $500 shoes nor do any of my friends.
YUP he said it...and he was proud of himself...and he said a whole bunch more...like General Betrayus is the wisest person he knows....and pretty much just sat there and burped out his entire stomp speech...
eric @ 14:
Just a typical Republican, so the answer is affirmative.
enigma4ever @ 19:
Fake warhero meet fake combat medal winner.
Amazing how one staged mortar bang 100s yards away wins a staff officer a medal.
As with many Repukes, thinking it's so hhaaaaarrrrdddddd.
Well, no thinking involved with Pro-life.
Pro-Choice is about the right to choose and the difficult decision that has to be made. This does not mean the women will have an abortion, but it is her right to choose.
Cardinal Bernardin, may he rest in peace, was the most honest ... he advocated the Seamless Garment of Life ... yes, he was truly pro-life ... life in the womb and limb outside of the womb ..say no to capital punishment ...say no to war... say no to pollution (particularly the pollution that causes brirth defects and still borns ).. say no to physical and emotional abuse... that is truly ProLife
there are no pro-life candidates running ... we have some anti-abortion candidates who are pro-pollution, pro-war, pro-capital punishment ... mostly people who are anti-women and also all forms of contraception ...and these same people didn't oppose abortion on the Northern Marianas
and we have some pro-choice candidates who want to stop the war, work for peace, rehabilitate people in prison, eliminate poverty (a primary reason for abortions)
but we don't have any Seamless Garment 100% truly Pro-life candidates
Good Old Days, it takes two people to conceive a child ...and sometimes the mother is an unwilling participant
I will go with the prochoice anti war who will seek to create a world in which the woman CHOOSES to go to term with the pregnancy and she can do so surrounded by a supportive community
McCain is one of the most anti-life candidates we have ever had
Maybe some of my fellow readers can help me on this:
Isn't rapid blinking one of the signs that a person isn't answering your question truthfully?
having an abortion is a deeply personal decision that evangelicals have no right to enter into for any woman. they can guide their flock, sure, but they should not pass on this responsibility to the government. the government is there to make sure its citizens are safe in furtherance of public safety. this issue should not be the basis for electing a president. if they are doing their jobs this ethical/moral question should be minimized. the existence of roe v wade does not force one way or another a woman to have an abortion. it is still a decision a woman has to take and utlitamtely has to live with.
Daingel @ 18:
McChimpy prob buys his shoes where Condi does.
You can just imagine the store sales people laughing after they walk out the door 'theres one born every day'
The Moment of Conception.
The Clean-Hands Dilettante Moralism refuge of nitwits and scoundrels.
jimbo92107 @ 24:
either somebody telling porkie pies or a Republican
McCain should AUTOMATICALLY be disqualified from being a presidential candidate as soon as he utters that ridiculous and childlike sentence. Pro Life policies? How's Pro Life doing in the country of Iraq?
McCain is a jerk-off.
Liberal AND Proud @ 15:
I didn't see it but I understand that he said he wants everyone to be rich. This alone should make intelligent people rethink any support for him.
jimbo92107 @ 24:
Or perhaps he only has two brain cells left in that old addled brain of his: One to blink and one to constantly say "My Friends" and he can't do both at the same time.
We need to recscind the Voting Rights Act. It will make voting much more steamlined. By limiting voting to only white males over 18, it will make it easier to eliminate voter fraud.
The elimination of the Civil Rights Act will eliminate all kind of governmental bureaucracy, which will allow government to cut even more taxes, and then everyone can become a millionaire! Brilliant!!
We don't need Reagan. America will have an even older, more out of touch President. AND he's a war hero!
Is anyone seriously surprised? You can't be.
Whatever McCain may have said in the past, he is a Republican running for President.
What position did you expect him to take?
John McCain just voiced his disdain for all the sitting U.S. Justices who favor Roe v. Wade, calling out each and every one of them by name. He just ensured that 98% of the Hillary protest vote comes back into the fold and ultimately pulls the lever for Obama. And all his answers were similarly reactionary. McCain was at ease and spoke well, but I can't get the idea out of my head that he was handed a length of rope and proceeded to tie a knot and hang himself with it.
A Pro-life, Pro-war, Pro-Nuklear, Pro-Big Oil, Republican Candidate for President... now that's novel ain't it?
Geeze... I don't know why anyone should act surprised at this or have second thoughts as to what McCrazy is all about except the MSM has stuffed a camera in Obama's navel and won't come out to see the wrinkled old gray haired guy laughing so hard that his false teeth just dropped out!
Liberal AND Proud @ 37:
It just goes to show you how infantile these big strong republican sheeple are. The love to cling Reagan's dress, sucking their conservative thumbs and say the same garbage we've hear for over 30 years. They should take a cue from Futurama and put Reagan's head in a jar, put it on a robot body and have him re-run again on the "diaper changing, tear wiping" platform for all of the scared little conservatives out there.
A sperm at conception is more important that a 18 year old in McCains eyes.
He makes me sick
what is amazing is a supposed group of affluent people, who are presumedly more equipped with access to information, seem to be lapping up the inanities of mccain. there seems to be an intellectual laziness in getting to the bottom of things such as the georgia issue. america is in trouble.
Fuck off McCain, you have no right to tell me, my daughter or any other woman
what she can or can't do with her own body!
You know, there are many decent pro-life people in this country, who aren't just misogynistic. Many of them are also women, like my mother, for example. Who by the way, is voting for Obama.
Did anyone else have an ad on this page to "stop abortion on demand" where if you click on the link it takes you to a petition that reads in part "THEREFORE, I, the undersigned, agree with President Bush that abortion should not be available at any time, for any reason. I urge my Members of Congress to uphold the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban and vote against the so-called 'Freedom of Choice Act.'"? I got a good chuckle out of that.
I know it's not an original thought, but how does "pro-life" get reconciled with "pro-war"? After seeing McCain's response to the Georgia/Russia mess, I'm under the impression that he's a bit annoyed that it will be hard to start a war of his own with our military already stretched so much. It's good to have this on record so we'll have it for when he flips in a few days.
John- the other Amazing clip is the one where he talks about having to spy MORE to keep us safe..I will email you all...it was astounding...( I hope that you all can get the clip...the audience was very quiet)
How this guy is seen as a moderate, or someone that "works across the aisle," is beyond me. This issue, the war, immigration (refused to support his own bill), you name it, he's a rightwinger, and a warmonger.
Face it, libs-- America is Center-Right and maybe even further to the right than that-- Barack can NEVER get elected in this country-- NOT because he's black (I'd vote for Condi Rice in a heartbeat), but because his views on life are f'ing WACKY.
It ain't happening, cats....
Pro-life?
Yeah, except for all the collateral damage.
I think abortion should be an option only if the mother's life is in danger,... and even then, it's HER choice whether or not to give her life for that of her child.
I go a very long step further.... and say that I prefer that abortion not even be a consideration if children, all children, were welcomed into the society, and a true tribal/village family as God (Goddess or evolution as you see fit) intended...
...as evidenced by how civilization arose, (which is the focus of my novel) and reflected in how they raised their children and lived their lives without weapons or violence or war. This is the role model we need to aspire to.
In a society that truly values life, there is no such thing as an orphan.
That is the crime and barbaric act for me.
In a healthy society, All children are welcomed into this world and all mothers are given support for bringing children into this world. A mother is an embodiment of the Divine feminine, which, if our earth is any representation, is in serious need of attention!
Without that familial support, without that societal structure that is not based in a "power over others" hunter / gatherer mentality, all we are left with is a dominator culture based in patriarchy that has seen the enslavement and ownership of women for thousands of years. Clearly evidenced by history being virtually nothing but the history of conquest and wars. We have gone from being children of the Earth to a parasite devouring the host planet.
THAT is what I have an issue with.
As long as women are still oppressed,
still not respected for the life bringers they are,
still not allowed to decide for themselves what do with their own bodies,
still not allowed to choose, with respect and honor, who will father their next child,
and STILL owned and enslaved and made to bow down to a wrathful, vengeful, male god...
then no man gets to make laws governing a woman's body.
... as long as children are seen as property or burden,
... as long as a mother has to wonder if her child will be fed
or clothed,
or sheltered,
or even wanted...
and NOT welcomed simply as a new being on this earth....
then no man has the right to tell a woman what she can or can not do with her body or her child.
As long as a child is not physically, emotionally, and financially supported and given every chance to develop to the best of his or her human potential .... and is instead brought into a society that praises violent and dominant aggression as a way of life, and business, and leisure,
rather than honoring compassion and love and EMPATHY....
then I think no one has the right to tell a woman when she can or cannot have a child.
PERIOD.
Yes I'm extreme, but human beings have inalienable rights for a reason.
And for those of you with your head in the sand, the earth is approaching a paradigm shift... and either we evolve, as the people who created the earliest civilizations evolved ( and I'm talking pre- Sumaria here) or we continue like stubborn children to ignore the signs of self annihilation that are self evident across the entire globe.
Denial is not plan for survival.
In short.... we need to grow up.
The whole of reality, however you see it, even in your wildest imaginings, will always be greater than your philosophy.... mine too.
However, We must evolve or die.
I am not a defeatist or a pessimist, but a dreamer and an activist who stares the problems of our world down and seeks out solutions... "unto the 7th generation."
And I think Obama shares some of that same vision and brings us hope of rising to meet the challenges of our imminent survival in this 21st century.
David @ 41:
perhaps your mother understands that the personal choice of another over their own body does her no harm. good on her.
when i get old and sick and can't take care of myself, i'm going to rob a bank so i get thrown in jail and they have to take care of me.
enigma4ever @ 43:
There's another part you should watch again. The question that Obama answered that we should be helping the least among us. And when McCain answered the same one, I'm pretty sure he said, we should be helping the greatest among us.
John McCain says No to Choice
but YES to SKIN CELL RESEARCH!
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran......................
- Your republican pro-life candidate.
At what exact age do these so-called precious lives graduate into being free "democratic" colateral damage, ....over ownership of their resources?
When do the profits, outweigh the elimination of precious human lives? What's the amount? 3 mil? 100 mil? A billion?
These so-called, bs, lying, two-faced, pro-lifers ...MAKE ME PUKE WITH SHEER DISGUST!!
Archie B @45,
Turn off Fox news and talk radio, get out of your basement, and you will find out that America is NOT right center. Maybe 10 years ago, maybe not. But it sure in the hell isn't anymore! And in a couple of more election cycles, it will be as liberal as Europe.
Once the self centered baby boomers (who are approaching their 60's and 70's) are gone, America will embrace liberalism again, and completely through off the schackles of republican corporate fascism for another 60 years!
You really don't have a clue. Look at the demographics! Republican's were barely hanging on by stealing elections, and despite having a TOTAL MSM monopoly. And that was during their so-called heyday.
But if the fantasyland you live in makes you feel better, bless your heart. Because you are in for a shitload of disappointment in the coming years!
the crapps in the wind folks , the next debates will be controlled by the corporations , as will be the election , you never had a chance , they herded you like sheep to the slaughter once again, as a famous scottsman william wallace proclaimed after being taken by the britts, were just fooked!
The standard Republican line.
We must save the babies to kill and maim them in our wars later. Big Brother needs more Proles. We need the fetuses so we can use them as tools to murder dark skinned peoples in the next generation of the New World Order. Our pagan god Jahbulon requires much blood on his alter. We must comply. Resistance is futile. Assimilate. Blood sacrifice. Kill, kill, kill...
tyree @ 54:
All of the debates should be called "CFR Muppet Show Prime Time." The debates have two CFR members. They are hosted by CFR members of the press. They are sponsored on CFR networks in prime time. And they have CFR corporate sponsors for the commercial segments.
Our entire political process is complete and utter manipulated joke. Nothing more than a bad play with a bad script and bad actors.
Why are war-mongers always Pro-Life?
Oh, right. They're always "pro" their "life," screw the lives of everyone else.
John will kill you to protect the unborn....................Unless Lobbyists convince him otherwise.
It's not just "ladies, he's not your man."
It's "all Americans who understand that reproductive choices are none of the government's goldarned business, he's not your man."
Well, he just traded away the votes of many moderate Repubs and independents, for the votes of all those pro-big government in your personal life, exclusionary of demographics that don't fit in with their narrow view of life voters.
For McCain, it's a simple matter of numbers. There are more wacko far right fringe lunatics in America who are registered to vote, than there are moderate non-Dems. He did the numbers, and made the decision. Let's hope that his extramarital relationships while he was married to his first wife don't play so well with the holier-than-thou crowd. Let's hope that his leaving his first wife and their children, not including his children by that first marriage in his life that produced his second family, will not play so well with the hypocritical self-named family values crowd. And let's hope that the shenanigans with the prescription-writing in other persons' names to get pharmaceuticals illegally for another person doesn't play with that crowd, either.
I'm not so worried about what more anti-reproductive rights supreme court justices will do to Roe v. Wade, as I am about what they'll do to the rest of our freedoms. Where females go to obtain abortions will be a minor problem compared to where citizen activists will go to assemble and speak out against the government when it decides to attack another country, or who a President McCain will designate as an enemy combatant and then lock up forever in some undetermined location, or what forms of torture will be redefined as harsh interrogation techniques and therefore legal. Think about who McCain is, and who he will appoint to the court, and how long it will be before we ever reverse the damage that will be done to our freedoms, if we ever do.
how do you sell a pro-life policy and champion a war at the same time? anyone?
John McCain says No to Choice: I will be a Pro Life before birth President!
Charles @ 56:
dont leave out the Trilaterals and the Skull n Bones either. Both are strongly influenced by these groups.
not to leave out the Bilderberger Clintons either.
Its so laughable that people actually believe that the elite haven't left anything to chance in an election. Utterly laughable.
Please...nickel iron meteorite...slam into DC......
So... McCain is Declaring victory in Iraq? That's Interesting....
When asked "Who are the three wisest people you know and who would you rely on in your administration?'
McCain answered "General David Petraeus. Who took us from to defeat to victory in Iraq."
Can I ask when General Petraeus declared victory?
Can I ask why McCain is he declaring victory in Iraq before Bush? Or did Bush already declare victory with that little Cod Piece Carrier Landing Stunt? (it's so confusing when you've been lied to so many times)
When is SOMEONE going to call out him out on these obvious discrepancies?
When did we arrive at victory in Iraq? And why are our troops still dying there almost every day?!
Can someone ask McCain if our troops can come home now?
What is going on? Did we win and I missed it?
-Cupper
Wrong Answer
Life begins at the moment sperms spew spasmodically from the end of my stiff hard cock.
Tonight, women across America better start making serious plans to get themselves, their friends and family out to vote for Obama in record numbers in November, through rain sleet or snow. Because if they don't, McScrewball is gonna set your reproductive rights back into the dark ages. This video should be a wake up call for PUMAs.
Also, can the site moderator delete Archie B. Says @35 comment - just for the sake of it.
Archie B. @ 45:
Look, it's another conservative in the death throws of his ability to reason.
JugOPunch @ 64:
LMFAO!!!!!
66 I Am A Banana Says: Archie B. @ 45:
Face it, libs– America is Center-Right and maybe even further to the right than that– Barack can NEVER get elected in this country– NOT because he’s black (I’d vote for Condi Rice in a heartbeat), but because his views on life are f’ing WACKY.
It ain’t happening, cats….
Look, it’s another conservative in the death throws of his ability to reason.
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If you watched the interviews, You would have been surprised to hear the loud applause Obama recieved at several intervals .
As when asked of Obama of which Supreme Court Justices would he not appoint if up to him, Obama replied, " Justice Thomas " And said why. Very loud applause from that conservative religious group.
Where McCain listed all the liberals when asked as he boasted of being Bi Partisan he basically went partisan on his reply to little applaud=se by his most favorable group.
They also applauded loudly on Obama's reply to Education where McCain exposed himself when asked the same Question that he must have had the questions prior because he answered all three questions before Rev Rick asked them and he went into his campaign speech of privatizing schools and the whole shabang. Not alot of applause there for McCain as well.
Even when McCain wrapped himself in the American Flag and decried of God and patriotism. He got minimal applause considering this is the conservative religious base that he should own.
Did Obama sway any religious right to vote for him. Perhaps younger evangilicals if allowed to be present or watch. But they did not look as frightened that Obama as the evil Sin Master was coming for their souls to rot them in hell.
As for McCain,
He possibly lost some enthusiasm from his own tooting of his horn.
He talked of militaristic rule and dominance. He couldn't even straight talk what the definition of "Rich" was. This war man that did state again, "he would follow Osama Bin Laen to the gates of hell" (although his prior statement was not into pakistan because they are a soverign nation) You know of any nation(s) that aren't soveriegn? The "mighty military McCain", Was afraid to answer the question what is "Rich" in his opinion.
Weak........................................
McCian was very, very rehearsed with filabusters, old war stories, tough talk of allowing discriminatory hiring by Church groups doing services with taxpayer funds. He was a tough guy on that one. But alas, he really didn't get much applause for that.
I really do enjoy it when John speaks of how bad Washington is and has gotten, while being a prominent part of that "bad Washington" , right Mr Keating 5 ?
67 Truth B Told Says: JugOPunch @ 64:
Wrong Answer
Life begins at the moment sperms spew spasmodically from the end of my stiff hard cock.
LMFAO!!!!!
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Wrong again, By the religious rights definition, life is only when the egg is fertilized by the sperm. Your not life and what you do with your sperm is not llife.
hey, its their definition, not mine...........
Life just doesn't mean what it used to....
or maybe it never did.
You know, I am getting sick of the condecending title of "ladies" on this site. We don't love McSame, or at least most of us here "Ladies" don't. We are just pissed off at the way Hillary was treated. We will vote Democratic, but we would rather not have that vote taken for granted, or have to hold our nose and pull the lever. Part of Hillary's campaign was the chance to vote for a woman, maybe for the last time, for some of us. When you give me seven well-qualified women to vote for, I'll be picky, picky, picky. But I may not live long enough to vote for another woman again. Cut some of us some slack, and quit talking down to us. Hillary may not have been perfect, but I do not see Barak putting double-digits between him and McSame, even going into the convention. Your savior may win by a razor thin margin, in a year that we should kick a** from one coast to another. The fact that we aren't, despite bad to worse news nearly every day, hardly makes me feel good about our chances. And seeing that the last two elections have been stolen from us, with corruption in Ohio, and about 500 votes in Florida (or so they say), I'll be biting these old nails down to the quick on election night, especially if Hillary is not on the ticket, or worse, replaced by another old white guy from some southern state that hates our guts. Virginny is not a lock for anyone right now, certainly not for us. So save the sanctimonious crap for the victory party. You won't get my enthusiastic support (or my MONEY) by telling me that I HAVE to vote for ANYONE, so I'd better get in line, or else. I'll vote Democrat, but I sure as hell don't have to fall into line just because YOU tell me to. And I won't fall into line through fear - that's the other guy's MO. It shouldn't be ours. We are the party of ideas and hope, remember? Oh, and the "I-agree-with-everything-Hillary-has-said on-this-stage-tonight-so-I-don't-have-to-give-you-another-answer" candidate. Enough.
http://www.cafepress.com/nochoice4women
FLASHBACK: McCain In 1999 — ‘I Would Not Support Repeal Of Roe V. Wade’
Besides, this is the guy that has promised more wars. Pro-life? BS!
And he will not try to end capital punishment. So he is entirely selective to fish votes. The focus should be on getting the numbers down because he, even if president, god forbid won't be able to completely ban abortions. That would also lead to lots of votes lost.
suprised?
Andrewsac @ 71
I too was a Hilliary backer. She didn't win. That's the way the process goes. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. Now I'm behind Barack Obama 100% because I believe he will be the best for this country. Hilliary will NOT be the candidate, and becoming fanatical about her loss is NOT helping this country. We need to see that our candidate is elected. And that candidate will be Barack Obama.
So I have to say to you and to all Hilliary fanatics..............get over it, dude! Move on and use your energy to elect Barack Obama.
John McCain: "At the point of conception!"
applause.
Guy in Crowd: "I have a follow-up question, Mr. McCain. At what point does that child loose his human rights"
John McCain: "That's easy. Once he's born into a non-white family living inside or outside the United States. Let me give you an example. Say he's born in Iraq. He now can be collatoral damage without any form of redress."
Guy in Crowd: "Wow!. Well I thank you for your straight talk"
For him to say that he will be a pro life President tells how far right this guy will go for a vote.
Mcbush is a corrupt Neo-nazi republican. The S.O.B lies with abandon.
I'm glad I didn't catch any of this last night but I did catch clips this morning. Yes, the old geezer did get some pretty good applause at his 'pro-life' announcement, but I don't think people are buying into that completely. How many times has he hedged and changed positions on this issue? He may have firmly announced a pro-life stand but it rang insincere. How many times are we going to see this change before November?
He just said exactly what the evangelical "white folks" (sorry, to interject race here but it's true!) wanted to hear. The evangelical "black folks", like my mom, know better. If I could question McCain (and Pastor Warren, for that matter), I would ask them, "Ok, what do we do with 40million more mouths to feed?" Mr. Warren talked about all the orphans in the world and, yet, he wants to create more? Would there be no abortions if it was illegal? (Reality says "no") So, now we have a double tragedy. A pregnant women hemoraging to death and a dead child. Seriously, abortion is a neccessary evil. Nobody wants to call it like it is but, that is the truth. I guess Republicans want more abandoned kids for the sex slave trade...idk.
The bottomline is that under McCain similar to under President Bush and a republican congress, abortion is still happening and still legal. They talk it to get the votes but, they don't really want to end it. They know....
I think it's wrong to label those who want the government making the choice for women, as pro-life, and those who want the woman to make the choice, as pro-choice. One is either pro-abortion or anti-abortion. I personally know of no one who is pro-abortion.
Did anyone have the decency to tell all these people to fuck themselves with a crucifix?
Everyone who votes for this bastard should be the first ones in line to fight these ILLEGAL wars.
F*ck McCain.
F*ck the draft.
"My administration will have pro-life policies...except when it comes to supporting my war policies which will be, after all, pro-death policies."
c. atrox @ 83:
Don't forget the death penalty! I can't see how anyone could support the death penalty yet call themselves a "pro-life" candidate.
I think his cheek has cancer/tumor. Look at the bulge.
What about if those terrible fetuses are secretly planning to destroy America? Shouldn't McCain bomb them?
So, it looks like zygotes get all the rights and protections guaranteed by the Consitution and full-grown women don't. Go figure.....
John McCain and the christian right are hypocrites:
1. war mongers who are "pro life"
2. "anti-gay" hate mongers when their former party chairman, Melman, is a self admitted gay man
3. "Republican: The party of Christian America", with 46 sex scandals on 3 years (does not include the most recent: Alabama Attorney General, Troy King's rcent exposure by his wife; the Missouri State Senator arrested for "deviant sex acts with a 14 year old against her will" (the daughter of his girl friend, a state employee. All this while a married man/father and Christian. Google: " Republican Sex Scandals" and "Christian Conservative Sex Scandals"
4. Christian republicans work the emails with the speed of a trojan virus with LIES about Senator Obama, all of which have been proven LIES by every news service in this nation...even FOX NEWS on 12-15-07. They lie for the party and its justified because democrats are DEMON LIBERAL SINNERS.
5. They preach a "prosperity gospel" using "biblical principals" regarding your money, when they support/endorse republican administrations who have us 600 trillion in debt (and growing)...and the worst inflation in history.
6. Condem the alcoholics as sinners yet support a candiadate whose
wife's beer (alcohol) distributorship contributes to the the very SIN they condemn. But those DUI deaths and broken homes of alcholics in ARIZONA have less value than a women who is two months pregnant.
7. 8 years ago Joe Lieberman was the "evil Jew" and the christians didn't want a Jew "one heart beat from the Oval Office". Today, he is John McCain's constant companion: welcomed into the rebublican inner circle and a defender of ALL republican LIES.
8 anti-gay hate mongerers while S.C. Republians are terrified Lindsay Graham will be exposed too...or Louisianna Governor, Lindal...or Florida Governor, Charlie Crist. Google each name and add "Sex Scandal" on the end
9. John Hagee snaps his fingers during his HATE sermons calling Catholics and Mormons, "evil", "whores"...and does it over and over again. Then apologizes for what he said in his GOD ANNOINTED, ORDAINED SERMONS. WHAT A HYPOCRITE
10. Christian republicans fear/believe Senator Obama is really Muslim and the "anit-christ". A TRUE christian has NO NEED to fear the anti christ, because they will be raptured with Christ when the Holy Spirit loosens the "Spirit of the Anti-Christ"
McCain's most recent add admits "washington is broken". McCain is part of the broken government and has supported Geroge Bush 92% if the time. NOW he wants us to let him FIX what he and his other rubber stamp congress BROKE!
What does all of this mean: The republican party is the christian right and vise versa. They are all hypocrites: their actions demonstrate/manifest their double stands. They feed off of each other like a run away, deadly virus.
It isn't the Muslims, Jews, Mommona, Buddist, Atheist or Agnostics I fear (per the Bible), its the FALSE PROPHETS who comes in the name of Chrsit, the Son of God, and the Risen Savior. "They will be lead astray by the deceiving spirits of the False Prophits"
The Greedy Oil Party is being run like a fascist regime. They destroyed the economy, they got us into unnecessary wars and are trying to get us into another. They bring up abortion as an issue to distract from the real issues. We have problems and abortion is not one to the majority of Americans. Focus folks, we must defeat Grandpa McSame because this nation is not strong enough for four more yeas of what the reichwingnuts have done to us for the past eight years plus. It started under Reagan.
The usual useless drivel from the traditional media concerning last night's useless "forum". The media will trumpet this for the next 45 minutes as the GREATEST INDICATOR THAT THE AMURKIN PUBLIC IS MOVING TOWARD MCCAIN, totally ignoring some of the damage that his comments have made to his campaign.
1.) First, who watched this forum? It was on a Saturday night during the summer against the Olympics. RW fundies and a small number of political junkies.
2.) Many are freaking because they think that the 2004 election was won by the so-called "value voters". No, we lost the 2004 election because of worries about security and the Bush/Cheney bogus terrorist warnings. The value voters were estimated to be about 22% of the electorate in 2004, and 25% of them vote for Kerry, which means about 20M of them voted for Bush. The only way Obama could ever possibly win these hardcore fundies is if he denounced every Democratic tenet our party has held for the last 75 years, and that ain't gonna happen. Also, remember that in 2004, the war was still fairly popular, the economy was still (erroneously) thought to be in great shape, and Katrina hadn't happened yet to expose the utter incompetency of the Bush/Cheney cabal.
3.) There is no way in hell Obama could have turned down the invite to this forum, since the McCain campaign would have flogged him as a coward and irreligious. But there are two things that happened which are a bright spot for Obama:
A.) It makes it extremely hard to be smeared by the "Obama is a Muslim" fallacy, except by the extreme fundie nutcases who will believe this lie even if Jesus appears in their morning toast and disputes it, and
B.) It totally destroys John McCain's claim that he is a moderate. His hardline RW attitudes about abortion and the Supreme Court may solidify his fundie base - who would have to vote for him anyway - but it is going to lose him a major amount of votes from independents and moderate Republicans (yes, there are still a few of those around), especially Republican women who are pro-choice. Over 70% of the country believes in some type of legalized abortion, and McCain's extremist abortion views are not going to resonate. The RW thinks so, but anyone only has to remember one name to put their judgement into question: Terry Schiavo. You can't rally the base and then piss off 70-75% of the electorate at the same time and also win the election.
Remember, the traditional media said all of the same things during the 2006 midterms, trying to build up the Republican chances against a Democratic win, and they were wrong about nearly everything. They are still in their Karl Rove mode, still think he is the political genius of the last 100 years, not realizing that the only time Rove's tactics really work is during a time of fear and disaster. The only reason Bush stayed in office so long and remained popular was because nearly 3000 people died in NYC on 9/11/2001. Katrina destroyed that illusion. GOBAMA!
The bottom line is that this was the bait on the hook for the easily brainwashed James Dobson/Pat Robinson crowd. Republicans will NEVER outlaw abortion and here's some of the reasons why.
Imagine our country where abortion had been outlawed. 40 million UNWANTED children. You have to figure that probably 60% of those will get abandoned in some sort of fashioned (bad/abusive parents, abandoned @ birth..etc). You would see privately funded orphanages over run and understaffed. Impoverished children will not just be in the back hills of West Virginia or other poor states. They would be out in the open and more visible. This would put the "pro-lifers" squarely in the DEMs corner and dilute a solid Republican base. NEOs know this. Secondly, now all of sudden "pro-life" takes on a different meaning like "anti-war" or "anti-death Penalty" or "pro-environment". Again, these are liberal/Dem philosophical strongholds.
Unfortunately, here in the USA, statements like this carry weight... So many people are willing to encourage their own children to serve in the military at a time when it is obvious to all but the dead just how WRONG the cause is. They can only relate to superficial topics. This is not news to either side of the isle. This is EXACTLY the weak link played upon by Karl Rove that got gwb elected TWICE. This nation of ours is full of good hearted people... just not exactly the brightest folks however when it comes to watching out for their best interests.
So? Tomorrow he'll have forgotten he said it.
We need to jail about half of the women in this country. There's about a 50-50 chance that a woman's own body will abort the fertilized egg soon after conception.
More McCain hypocrisy.
I've heard it before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axrgFGZYFzE
Let's have some fun now:
The McCain-Nixon-Bush Tango
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvJVy_7LYU
From the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-saddleback17-2008aug17,0,2051...
Obama and McCain gave sharply divergent answers on which justices they would not have nominated to the Supreme Court.
Obama named Clarence Thomas, who he said was not a "strong enough jurist or legal thinker," and Antonin Scalia, though he said he didn't doubt "his intellectual brilliance."
McCain ticked off the four liberal members: Ruth Bader Ginsberg, John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter and Stephen G. Breyer.
(Also)
The forum also highlighted the stylistic differences between the candidates. Obama's responses tended to be more freewheeling, while McCain frequently recited portions of his stump speech.
Obama had a really hard time answering questions. He stammered a lot and tried so hard to ride the fece as he always does. That is why his platform is almost identical to Senator Clinton's. That is why he was always after Senator Clinton. That is why she mentioned that she was curious as to why she was always asked the questions first. She caught on as did I, early on. The fact that he could not win the primary should give cause to worry about November. He was given the Michigan delegates for Richardson, Kucinich, Gravel, Edwards, Biden and four of Senator Clinton's delegates. Shame on the DNC committee. Donna Brazile, Leah Daughtry and Karl Rove sure controlled our democracy and placed the party on the level with the Republicans in 2000. Too bad they do not believe in every vote counting. they are not going to get mine in November because I live in Florida and I do not believe that counting a vote after the candidate has been "appointed" is fair for either party.
karen marie @ 5:
Yeah, he wants to go back to the "good old days" when women kept their mouths shut and stayed barefoot and pregnant...
Please stop calling people like McCain "pro-life!" There is nothing "pro" about them. It is all "anti." In this case, he is not "pro-life," he is "anti-choice." Get it right!
Conservatives tend to be pro-life until you actually exist.
It sounds like most of those writing here are around 12 to 13 years of age. Everyone is self-justified; everyone has a lofty opinion of the rectitude of their claims, albeit utterly devoid of reason. But I see no one actually considering what is being put forward without undue, indeed excessive emotional attachment.
What is being said here? McCain hasn’t changed his mind on the nature of abortion; he’s only changed his mind, out of political expediency, about who gets sacrificed. This is no different than Bush senior, whom it seemed was essentially an atheist, politically speaking, until the far right convinced him that he could get their backing and become VP or even president if he would only throw in with them. In doing so, he sold his soul, and the Republicans have been strapped with a far right political agenda ever since.
The problem with abortion, since becoming politicized, is that its definition is assumed, and moral reasoning about how to apply it is in question. And because of the divisive nature of its definition, it lends itself to an argument over just who gets sacrificed – an argument over which both the left and the right feel equally justified at taking sides on, while lacking any real moral fortitude in taking issue with the fundamental problem.
Lofting abortion to the level of a political question without reconsidering the definition means that politicos have an opportunity to resolve the issue, not by reason, but by use of force. In other words, it gives a politician the opportunity to say, I will decide this issue (I will be the decider) and if anyone disagrees with me, I’ll have them shot – I will make you moral at the point of a gun. However, morality is not determined at the point of a gun, but rather by way of reason – hence the old saying, the moral is the rational.
To be clear: the pro-lifer’s claim that it is immoral to “kill an unborn baby,” but morally acceptable to sacrifice the unwilling mother to the desires of the collective by dint of force; the pro-choice faction, on the hand, claim that the mother has an absolute right to regulate the functioning of her own body, and since the fetus is attached, they see nothing wrong with sacrificing its life to the whims of the mother by dint of force.
Abortion is the most divisive of issues precisely because of its definition. So, how is it defined in such a way that it lends itself to such division? Abortion is ostensibly defined as the active termination of the life of a fetus. By this definition alone great power is granted to the politico who favors the application of the definition which gets him the most votes, or the most compromises.
By assuming this definition, one is left with having to choose between the right of the expecting mother, and that of the fetus. But this is a false dichotomy, and so a false definition. There is no such thing as a conflict of rights. Rights are correct actions identified and taken by individuals according to objectively derived principles. If you find a conflict of rights, you have to look at the definition that yields it.
So, how can this false dichotomy be resolved? Simple, we must redefine the concept to be consistent with the concept of rights. To do so requires that the right to one’s life be recognized as sacrosanct in principle. One’s right to life is one’s right of self ownership. It is inherent in our nature as human beings, and it applies unreservedly to each and every one of us. All other rights are corollaries of this basic right.
One might say that abortion is the active cessation of a human pregnancy. But this would leave open the possibility of interpreting it as the right to terminate the life of the fetus. A clearer definition might be that abortion is the active expulsion of a fetus from the expectant mother’s womb. But this definition leaves open the application of the definition to induced labor by a willing parent, and so is too vague. Additionally, all of the above definitions lack reference to the mother’s choice in the matter, which leads to further vagueness.
So, a final definition would be, abortion is the active termination of a pregnancy according to the mother’s choice by means of expulsion of the fetus from the mother’s womb. This definition is consistent with the nature of human rights, is respectful of all parties, and is devoid of vagueness in the extent of its meaning. Further, it focuses on whose womb it is, whose lives are at stake, who has the right of choice in the matter, and limits the extent of possible action so as to respect the rights of all.
By this definition, the application of the concept of abortion no longer reigns as a moral issue, other than to the expectant mother. The fetus is expelled as any tenant may be expelled by means of eviction. The mother’s only responsibility would be a personal moral responsibility to seek assistance for the preemie, but not a social moral requirement to support it. Once the expulsion is accomplished, the intact preemie is simply a human being in need of rescue. If some individual wishes to put their money and their lives at risk, they are free to attempt a rescue, and in so doing, assume responsibility for the life of the newborn human being.
In this way, the effects of abortion are minimized, and the survival of the premature baby becomes a technological issue. There is no guarantee of life for the premature infant, but then there is none for anyone else either – this is the nature of the human condition. However tenuous a thread the life of a premature infant might be, the development of technology will eventually allow for preemie’s to be born and matured at any stage with little risk of harm. But the stimulus to develop sufficient technology will never be adequate unless the focus is placed on changing the definition of abortion so as to be consistently respectful of rights.
In this way, well intended Christians and non-Christian’s alike may find great satisfaction in exercising their rights in rescuing premature infants resulting from unwanted pregnancies. And at the same time, unwilling mothers can find peace in fulfilling the pursuit of happiness according to the conditions of their lives without undue guilt or unnecessary remorse for the choices they alone must make.
Finally, and most importantly, the question of how to apply a definition is taken out of the hands of government, and moral action is attuned automatically to a proper understanding of the notion of the right to ones own life and all that comes with it.
This is a Libertarian view, the result of actually exercising a free mind.
Fred Derf @ 101:
Free tip, Fred: when this is your first paragraph, nobody will read what follows.
Rusty,
If that is how you are so disposed, than that is the only paragraph you will need to get.
Fred Derf @ 103:
Uh, okay. Good luck with the rest of the 12-year-olds.
Rusty,
Would you rather I faked consciousness of the most outstanding aspect of the comments in this listing? Or more to the point of your suggestion, perhaps I should just blank it out and pretend for the sake of others that it's not there. One is not offended by reason, only in the exposure of its lack. If one reads what I have written and sees that it applies to ones self, the natural response will be to feel confronted by it. If what I say is so, than one needs to feel confronted. I can't be held accountable for the content of the minds of others, any more than for their reactions when confronted with it.
If you're pro-death penalty and pro-war, you can't be pro-life. Also, how many pregnant women in Iraq were just casually considered "collateral damage" by the "pro-life" crowd?
When did he say this?
I am guessing that he was addressing a Pro-Life redneck crowd - such cheering and whooping!
No doubt these people - like McCain - also support the death penalty, the war in Iraq and torture! Is this PRO-LIFE or what???
good on ya McCain - all those 14 yo girls who stupidly get banged up will have to drop out of school to bear these children - and who will give these girls a job - Wal Mart????
If MCain wins and he keeps appointing conservative supreme court justices - it will be only a matter of time when abortion becomes a criminal offence again!
On the plus side - illegal blackmarket abortionists will reap the rewards and shares of wire hanger companies will go through the roof . You just KNOW that Halliburton are already planning to increase production in wire!
So ladies - vote for MCain. Pro Life, Pro Death(Penalty), Pro-War (in Iraq and next Iran!), Pro-Tax Cuts(for the rich), Pro-adultery etc etc etc.
You need another reason to vote for MCain??? Well he ain't BLACK!!!!
As Michael Moore has stated - it is a real possiblity that MCain will win in November!
All I ask of American voters - consider what you and the rest of the world has been through under 8 years of Bush! Do you really want 4 more of the same - or worse???
Yeah, Johnny is a real "thou shalt not kill" guy to the max. What a joke. Is he going to save all those little embryos in garbage cans at fertilization clinics across the country too? Isn't a little petri dish embryo as deserving of life as an aborted baby? Johnny to the rescue. What a frickin mess.
I can't emphasize this enough BARACK OBAMA HAS TO CALL FORCED PREGNANCY SLAVERY!!!!!!!! He must make it clear that denying a woman the right to choose is a massive attack on the 13th Amendment. There is right and wrong and FORCING A WOMAN TO REMAIN PREGNANT IS WRONG!!!!!
1.37 million women choose to end their pregnancies every year and nearly all the women make that choice less than a month and a half into their terms. It would cost whatever jurisdictions $312,360,000,000 to prevent themselves from running afoul of the forced servitude section of the 13th Amendment if they had to pay the going rate of an ICU bed at $1,000/day (and that might even be a low-ball). I use the ICU bed as a basis due to the fact that a woman's uterus performs all the functions, and more, of an ICU. This is one of the points pro-choice people need to be making WE CAN'T AFFORD $312 BILLION!!!!
He believes a human life begins at conception, but he is in favor of stem cell research. Is it just me, or did John McCain just come down on the side of medical experimentation on human subjects?
This debate was the biggest sham in the history of debates, when we have a paster on national TV, tell us that Obama and McCain, flipped a coin to see who would go first.
How is that possible when he also says that he did not know that McCain was not even in the so called Kone, he claimed he was in?
Then he has the nerve, when he was asked if he thought McCain knew the questions, to say he did not think so, because he asked him and believes that McCain is an honorable man, that would tell the dame truth.
This is just sickening to say the least, then you have these right wring bastards lined up on all the networks, just waiting to demonize and degrade Obama, caliming that McCain was so dame great.
Not one of these freaks have any kind of shame. Who in the hell in their right dame minds would vote for McCain?. They have to be stone crazy to continue to put this country through this kind of hell.
These people were in church folks. We must not forget that small detail.
he said it, so that sets the record straight for the election... or does it?
Watch him play it both ways but choosing Ridge as VEEP to win the Pro-Choice/Women's vote. LOL
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