This Week: ABC Pushes The PUMA Propaganda With Fiorina And McCaskill
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Liberal media, my Aunt Fanny. McCain campaign proxy Carly Fiorina keeps pushing the Clinton PUMA meme as a way to reinforce for those women voters why they should vote for John McCain. Sadly, George Stephanopoulos -- who, as a former member of the Clinton administration really ought to know better -- lets her get away with it. Note that every time Obama supporter Sen. Claire McCaskill tries to make a point, Stephanopoulos interrupts to give Fiorina the rebuttal.
And proving that while they absolutely cannot govern, Republicans are masters at campaigning, as McCaskill tries over and over again to show that McCain's own record belies his stated support for women's issues (a patronizing concept in and of itself--these are everyone's issues), Fiorina goes personal against Obama himself, while providing herself the alibi that Obama has gone negative despite his rhetoric of hope. And Stephanopoulos doesn't bat an eye, nor ask Fiorina to rebut the specific legislation that McCaskill brings up.
The final indignity? After Fiorina spins that really, she and McCaskill agree that women vote on issues and that's why they're going to vote for McCain, Stephanopoulos cuts off the interview with a Rovian let's "end on that point of agreement." Point of agreement, really? How about corporately-pushed-low-info-voter propaganda, George?
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STEPHANOPOULOS: Sarah Palin was asked by Charlie Gibson about Hillary Clinton. Here is what she had to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PALIN: I think he's regretting not picking her now. I do. But what determination and grit and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way. She handled those well.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
STEPHANOPOULOS: Even Senator Biden said this week that Hillary might have been a better pick. Did Senator Obama give the McCain campaign an opening by not picking Hillary Clinton?
MCCASKILL: Well, I think that Joe Biden is going to be a terrific vice president. Joe Biden is fully capable of stepping into the presidency at a moment's notice. I also think it's important, George, once again, this issue is about being honest and forthcoming with the American people. John McCain has not told the truth about Sarah Palin. He has run an ad that is terribly distorted and full of lies about -- you're talking about making women mad. When women figure out that John McCain has run an ad saying that when Barack Obama wanted to give education to kindergarteners about how to avoid sexual predators, that in fact, they ran an ad that said that he wanted to give them sex education? I mean, this is the kind of game that's being played on those...
STEPHANOPOULOS: So no regrets about Hillary Clinton.
MCCASKILL: And by the way, speaking about honest, Sarah Palin this summer called Hillary Clinton a whiner. And now it's oh, you know, they are being disrespectful to Hillary. I didn't hear her say that when she was asked that before she was the vice presidential pick. And when John McCain was asked a question at a forum -- you remember this -- someone said, "how do we stop the b," referring to Hillary Clinton, and John McCain laughed. So all -- and they had buttons at their convention, "the hottest V.P."(inaudible)...
(CROSSTALK)
STEPHANOPOULOS: What's your response, Carly Fiorina?
FIORINA: Well, first, let's just remember for the record -- it was the Barack Obama campaign that launched the first negative ad. Let's just recall, if we want to talk about honesty, let's recall the spate of ads that said that John McCain was in favor of a 100-year war in Iraq. Please, I mean, this high and mighty attitude that somehow
John McCain has stooped to a new level in politics is A, untrue, and B, as I recall, Barack Obama promised a campaign of hope and politics of promise, et cetera, et cetera.
But having said that, my personal opinion -- Barack Obama made a critical strategic error by not choosing Hillary Clinton. There are a whole host of women in the Democratic Party who believe the Democratic Party does not understand what sexism is, routinely underestimates the impact of women, and they are coming in droves to the Republican Party because they think the party and John McCain get it. That's a fact.
STEPHANOPOULOS: It is true that this week, we saw a 20-point swing among white women in our ABC News poll.
MCCASKILL: Let me say, I think Sarah Palin has an incredibly winning personality. She's a very skilled politician. And I understand a post-convention bump. And she's a great role model for working women. I mean, I'm talking as a woman who took my breast pump to work for all three of my children. So that's terrific. But women of America are going to kick the tires the next 55 days, George, and they're going to going to find out that this is a ticket that wants to put women in prison for having an abortion after they have been raped. This is a ticket that has -- is opposed to equal pay for equal work. This is a ticket that does not embrace early childhood education. This is a ticket...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me stop you with those three...
MCCASKILL: ... that is not good.
STEPHANOPOULOS: ... because Carly Fiorina is shaking her head there.
FIORINA: Those are ridiculous charges, point one. But I think the important point here is that this is what the Democratic Party has done for years. It has tried to hold women hostage by frightening them on issues such as reproductive rights, Rove v. Wade. American women in this country will not be held hostage by the politics of fear on Roe v. Wade anymore. I know more many, many pro-choice women who are pro-McCain. And if we want to talk about equal pay for equal work, I think this once again is an example of John McCain walks the walk and Barack Obama talks the talk.
And all you have to do is look inside their two Senate offices and assess how are women paid relative to men. In John McCain's office, women are paid more. In Barack Obama's office, women are paid less. That's a fact.
MCCASKILL: This is a great example. John McCain proudly states he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. That's a fact, George. Carly can't get around that fact. And by the way, equal pay for equal work, John McCain is opposed to that legislation. He said so. He didn't show up to vote on it. But he said, if I would've been there...
STEPHANOPOULOS: This is the Lilly Ledbetter legislation.
MCCASKILL: This is just a few months ago. He said, I'm opposed to it. And by the way, women have been voting on our side of the ticket because they pay attention to the policies that matter, on education, on health care, on how they take care of their children and their mothers. This is what they care about. And they're going to pay attention this election. And I'll make a prediction that the women of America will vote for Barack Obama by a healthy majority.
STEPHANOPOULOS: How about the equal pay legislation?
FIORINA: Well, you know, here is one thing that -- this always happens. Claire and I battle it out, but we find something to agree on. I absolutely agree with Senator McCaskill, women care about health care, education, national security, the economy, whether we're going to create jobs here in America or overseas. And that is why they'll vote for John McCain, not all of them,but enough of them that he's going to win. Because just wherever they come out on Roe v. Wade, most women are not single-issue voters, they are like men, caring about all of the issues that matter to this country.
MCCASKILL: I agree.
FIORINA: So we're going to win, we're going to win on the substance of the issues, as I've said all along.
STEPHANOPOULOS: We're going to end on that point of agreement.
Fiorina is an assclown. She spun off the heart and soul of Hewlett-Packard, the organization now known as Agilent Technologies, and significantly reduced the R&D happening there. HP used to be one of the most innovative companies around and consistently produced the highest quality electronics, and employed many American workers. Fiorina and Hurd have outsourced so much, HP is just not the same company it used to be.
georgie boy is a dick.
Whiele McCaskill was talking the camera panned to Fiorina for long periods to show her shaking her head in disapproval of what McCaskill was saying. ABC is still selling us Snowwhite and the geriatric dwarf and I will once again turn off my television.
Is there any way to get that midget kicked off the air?
Great surrogate to have on: McCaskill, the same one who caved on FISA and all sorts of other legislation the GOP frightened them into voting for.
Can they get some smart Dem pols on as surrogates? Sorry, I forgot. Those aren't allowed on t.v.
Stephanopoulos lets Carly Fiorina (failed HP exec) flat-out, bald-faced lie to him on national TV about Sarah Palin rejecting funds for the Bridge to Nowhere.
And Stephanopolous says nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Not one word, not one follow up question.
He loves McCain's BBQ too much.
Seriously, everyone, write to Senator McCain and tell him how disappointed you are in his Vice Presidential Pick from Nowhere. He cannot believe that this person is qualified to take over his duties when (not “if”) he must invoke the 25th Amendment and turn over power to her, however temporarily. (Maybe until he’s out of the recovery room following cancer surgery? You know he’s going to have to do it some time.) Link to contact form available in post. Thank you.
In a week where the dam has FINALLY broken on the stream of horse-dookie concerning Sarah Palin's record, we still find the Sunday round tables regurgitating talking points and campaign commercials. Almost no attention is being paid to the lies going on in hte McCain/Palin camp. We arent talking about typical campaign season distortions or spin, these are objectively measurable, quantitatively verifiable ocean liners sized WHOPPERS! Other than the names of her family members, most everything shes been epeating since we all met Mrs. Palin has been BUNK!
-LOVED the Bridge to nowhere
-LOVED Federal pork and Lobbyists
-LOVED Cronyism
-DIDNT sell the plane on Ebay
-DIDNT go to Iraq
-DIDNT challenge the "old boys club"
Her name IS Sarah though, that much is true.
Goddamn, that Fiorini is an annoying bitch. She's the business version of Paris Hilton: i.e., someone the fecking media just keeps shoving in front of the public despite that fact that we have no interest in her. Damn bitch almost killed H-P. She should have the class to go hide under a rock for the rest of her life.
Every citizen is free to vote for whomever they choose, as well they're allowed to use whatever criteria to determine their vote.
Of course, America is best served when the voter is both active and informed.
Which is why the McCain campaign's attempt to conflate Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton is so troublesome.
Even a brief overview of their public stances on the issues illustrates that Sarah Palin isn't Hillary Clinton.
They stand at almost opposite ends of the spectrum on those issues that matter most to women.
That why I've constructed a simple and straightforward contrast on their biography and issue stances, that even the lowest information voter can absorb in less than 60 seconds.
Learn the differences, vote smart.
www.SarahPalinISNTHillaryClinton.com
I hope the Dem congress realizes they are part of the reason that the Dem candidate is where he is in the polls. Many people don't see a difference between the GOP and the GOP-lite. Except with the GOP, they think they are at least getting someone with the strength of character to stand up for what he/she believes -- even if what he/she believes is batshit insane.
Someone should point out that not all executive experience is good executive experience. Sarah Palin left her small town $20 million in the hole when she left, and HP paid Carly $20 million just to get her to stop screwing up the company!
i quite watching "this week" after george took it over........
he has become another gop pundit and ass licker.
he follows the bucks like all the neocon criminals.
El Cid @ 6:
Lying. The new truth.
Focusing the camera on Carly Fiorina allows the viewer to admire her fabulous jewelry and exquisite suits afforded because of her golden parachute. See, even women who put thousands of Americans out of work and manage the company into the ground can reap the rewards. She hasn't contacted me, though, to see whether this Hillary supporter will shift to McCain, although I understand she may soon as she's reaching out to all those disappointed Hillary supporters. When she does call, I'm afraid my response will be, "You have got to be kidding!"
Max H @ 8:
has anyone else noticed that s palin is NOT MAKING THE DECISIONS
her husband sits in on govt meetings where he should NOT BE....
s palin cc emails him on govt info........
are to expect that we will have TWO VP'S
SARAH AND HER HUSBAND????????
This demographic - as an influential or relevant power - does not exist.
The media is WAY on board to crown McCain king.
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dadams @ 16:
i think going their is ill advised......there's enough
'sexism'.....traps
Stephanopoulos is an empty suit and a McCain sycophant! Let's hope that Carly does for the McCain campaign, what she did for HP.
And for those who haven't shot their TV yet, a repeat of Scalia giving the middle finger to all of us on 60 Minutes tonight:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/24/60minutes/main4040290.shtml
I'm going to Walmart to stock up on ammo...
constituent @ 18:
why? are you for covering up for the gop TOO?
George Stephanopoulos is a product of America as it is today. He survived the selection process at ABC to become the token Dem/Liberal. He reaps the rewards of being the winner: a fat salary, very little research to do (because the last thing ABC wants is depth or true analysis), and a short workweek. You can be certain that he fears the prospect of reentering the economy as a job seeker, albeit a somewhat connected one. This is the oligopoly economy of the USA in the 21st century with few opportunities in media and less diversity of POV. As a geezer, I can't get the phrase combination in restraint of trade out of my head.
Little Georgie shows once again what a useless, power-worshiping scumbag he is.
dadams @ 21:
please get a grip........unless there is any hard proof
it can be spun......right now they are looking/begging
to have a clear act of 'sexism' against palin to rally
working women. i see the shields they are creating to
protect/cover palin....
Who cares anymore? It's obvious Obama isn't in this election to win. Is it too late to nominate Hillary?
What's the story on George S.? I used to think he was a halfway decent guy..............now he just seems to be a half-ass commentator?
All though I think that the choice should be a woman's, The corporate fascist corporate takeover of our government is far more important. The fascists are not going to write the laws that effect Roe V Wade. What they will write laws about are laws that effect Social Security, Pensions, unions and distribution of wealth. There are many other laws they will write that effect our very standard of living including health care. These are the important issues we should be talking about.
Why does Obama continue to send surrogates to ABC. I think its high time we start treating ABC like Faux Noise. I think they need to play hardball with the media and let them know that if they don't want to start doing their jobs, we won't be talking to you or providing you with any outlets to our campaign. Furthermore they need to be public about it and ask people to stop watching their show. I bet if the dems started taking the kid gloves off and started running attack ads against the media who seems to have all but crowned McSame King of the Capital Hill then we would see some of them pull back. All of these commentators competing for the little Limbaugh award gets really tiring from my perspective. I think Obama needs to openly question why ABC and specifically Stephenopolus isn't doing HIS job, vilify him for being so unprepared that he is not recognizing lies told to him and his audience on national television, and pointing out with documentation that the surrogate just told a bold faced lie.
Freddy Knuckles @ 25:
Ain't that the truth.
He's busy cramming on the John Kerry "How to lose an election you were guaranteed to Win" playbook.
McCaskill never answered the question and never ONCE mentioned the name BIDEN.
(Just like the media)
None of us would be subjected to this painful clip if Mr. ThinkSkin had done the right thing and picked Hillary.
Wow. Power, money and prestige -- and access to all the right cocktail parties -- really corralled Stepphie over to the Dark Side.
What a goddamn twerp. Love the way he and other "fair and balanced" mainstream media whores always act if there's equivalency between Republican lies and Democratic truth-telling.
Screw 'em all.
constituent @ 24:
why are you going to the sexist angle?
my question is obvious....all the answers to what
extent m palin in involved with s palin's daily
governing is obvious. sexist has nothing to do
with this. we have had 8 yrs of puppetry in the
bush administration, we certainly don't need more.
if we don't ask questions, you can go have that
beer with bush on his ranch......does that look appealing to you?
The Three Majors are all clearly riding the Straight Crap Express.
Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain
Freddy Knuckles @ 25:
its obvious that you are a rove troll
fuck off and die
JHR @ 26:
Stephy is nothing more than human waste.
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FIORINA: "Those are ridiculous charges, point one. But I think the important point here is that this is what the Democratic Party has done for years. It has tried to hold women hostage by frightening them on issues such as reproductive rights, Rove v. Wade. American women in this country will not be held hostage by the politics of fear on Roe v. Wade anymore. I know more many, many pro-choice women who are pro-McCain. And if we want to talk about equal pay for equal work, I think this once again is an example of John McCain walks the walk and Barack Obama talks the talk."
Is this woman on drugs? Roe v. Wade gets overturned, what choices will women have then? What if there were no choices for women? John McCain is so wrong on every issue and every talking-head that supports him lends credence to that very point.
Women speaking to women at the grassroots. Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans speaking to veterans and young people thinking about joining the armed forces. Fuck the TV. Nobody but the media, professional pollsters and info-junkies (like us) are watching "the news". Get on the ground, that's where the win is going to take place. That's the message to push through: ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, et. al., are not going to be the deciding factor in this election, except in their dreams, our nightmares, and their hypothetical scenarios.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 34:
You fucking retard! I've been here since September of '04 and one thing remains the same; if anyone says something people like you don't like, they're a Con troll.
Don't you have anything else, dumbass?
Unfortunately it makes one wonder when all of the Clinton folks - Stephanopoulas, Begala and Carville (who lost me at Mary Matalin the swiftboat publisher) - do such a poor job of going after McCain. Hmmmm kinda like Hillary was. Hmmmm again
Ron @ 27:
mcfuckhead and s palin both want to turn back
the Constitutional clock and take away all progress
made to really make America a land of equals.
mcfuckhead will take away the voting rights of
women and Afro-Americans, make slaves of
Afro-Americans and take away women's
reproductive rights to chose.
sound impossible.......what do you think
"strict constitutionalists" are?
dadams @ 31:
i'm playing devil's advocate..........i'm telling you if you
suggest that todd palin is really makes decisions for
alaska......someone it could be spun as 'sexism' in that
sure there you go a woman can't make the decisions or
behind every great man is women.....i'm NOT saying i disagree i don't know and neither do you. trust the thought came to my mind when you read about
'troopergate',the e-mails and the fact that he is in the oil industry.
dadams @ 40:
If we let the corporate fascists take over, all of that will come into play but their first priority is to control all of what is written into law.
Sarah is a fundamentalist. Senator McCain has stood in the way of the efforts that the Dems have made to hold the Bush administration ACCOUNTABLE!
I want our V.P. to be smarter than the average "hockey mom"
If it was Tim Russert he would have pointed out that McQuagmire DID in fact say he would be OK with keeping a military presence in Iraq for 100 years. FACT!
McWar sings about dropping bombs on people, human people! I don't give a fuck where they live, they are human people!!!
McEconomy did in fact say he don't understand the economy, so I'm assuming he also doesn't have a clue how to strengthen it.
The only pass I would even attempt to give McRoe-vs-Wade is that he did actually adopt a child which is more then most of the other Right to 'Life'-ers do. But if he is against choice then at least have the balls to come out and say it once and for all.
I get so sick of these idiot right wingers who say one thing and then when you call them on it they say "I never said that" or that your exact quote of their own words are incorrect. and the fact that it's the American people who need to wake up, oh, so many people I talk to just don't have a clue and don't want one. - listen folks, we are in a lot of trouble!!! We need to save America herself, for the criminal leaders and the apathetic public!!!
But then who am I to talk, I'm sitting on my ass typing into a computer instead of getting out and actually doing something. Oh, we're in some serious shit folks!
El Cid @ 6:
well, everyone allows fiorina to lie about why she was removed as hp's ceo
talk about a whiner
and yes, palin and mccain would love to see women jailed for having abortions
shoot, palin blames women for getting raped
mccain thinks women are c**ts
hey...im getting good at this
senator obama...hire me to be your new surrogate
and obama started the negative ads? in what fucking world does fiorina live in? oh i know, the world that thinks she was a good ceo and didnt lose most of hp's market share to dell and gateway
and if obama/biden loses because americans hate intelligence and wish to continue voting against their best interests...so be it
im moving to alaska...so i can become a part of the great welfare scam that is our 49th state
you guys can now start paying me
While I don't see this as one of his more egregious interviews, I can't stand StuffinEnvelopes.
Now, Sen. McCaskill . . . . . Allow me to edit your first response.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Even Senator Biden said this week that Hillary might have been a better pick. Did Senator Obama give the McCain campaign an opening by not picking Hillary Clinton?
MCCASKILL:
Well, I thinkOh, please, George. Give them an opening? The Republicans don't need openings. If they see a wall, they'll bash through, and say there was a door. If Barack had picked Hillary, the Republicans would be sliming him for doing so. Since he didn't, they're picking on him for not doing it. It's just how they work. You know that full well, George from your years in the White House. And you know what else? Joe Biden is going to be a terrific vice president. Joe Biden is fully capable of stepping into the presidency at a moment’s notice! Oh, and if you don't believe me on the smear thing, take a look at what the did with that grotesque ad. He has run an ad that is terribly distorted and full of lies about — you’re talking about making women mad. When women figure out that John McCain has run an ad saying that when Barack Obama wanted to give education to kindergarteners about how to avoid sexual predators, that in fact, they ran an ad that said that he wanted to give them sex education? I mean, this is the kind of game that’s being played.I don't think the problem is PUMAs anymore, but women voters in general. They're now the swing vote in this election.
Since the Palin announcement, recent polling indicates that a disturbingly high precentage of women are moving towards McCain Apparently they think he's a moderate and Palin shares their values and is just like them. They don't seem to realise how dangerous McCain/Palin policies are to their well-being. McCain is an extreme right-wing neocon warrmonger, Palin is the most extreme social conservative we've ever seen on a Republican ticket. For some reason that fact is lost on them.
Awe, poor babies…What, now the media is not shilling for ya?
Waa Waa Waa
As a former Democrat I will gain enormous please when Obama has to utter the word "Concede" come November. The unbelievable arrogance of his camp thinking they could steal the primary, alienate half the party and just waltz into the White House is nothing less than astounding.
constituent @ 18:
going there... not their
surf (hussein) jac @ 36:
women will either have the choice to stay quiet and let men control their bodies or finally get involved in the political game and fight back
and anyway, i live in california...we will still have legal abortion....the rest of the country can do whateverer they want to their women
i will push for cali to secede from the union....you guys have taken enough of our natural resources and tax monies
uncle joe mccarthy founder of the cip
i will be king
Unlike the Obama campaign and their sponsored bloggers, PUMA doesn't use propaganda.
We rely on truth, because we are liberal Democrats.
EIGHT YEARS OF BUSH AND NOTHING CHANGED FOR ROE v WADE. EIGHT YEARS under republicons and how many deaths of living, breathing, human beings whose lives were already in full swing...............WHAT IS THE ACTUAL HEAD COUNT.......TOTAL???
LIKE DEATH, DESTRUCTION, LAWLESSNESS??????? VOTE MCCAIN/Palin??????
Dems are much too polite. Better get with the program. Low information voters? 60 MILLION Americans voted for George W Bush in 2004. This is why republicans don't fund education.
Tom @ 48:
you were never a dem
fuck off and die
now run back to redstate and tell them how rude we are
oh and tell those fucks to stop emailing me...i keep taking myself off their list and they keep putting me on
im gonna half to file a restraiing order against their racist asses
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 45:
Shit, I'll do it for free if they let me attack the Cons the way they should be attacked. None of this "hugs and kisses, let's all just play nice" crap. I'll straight out call the fuckers liars on national TV and dare 'em to prove me wrong!!
I just don't watch ABC for any news or for commentary. I don't let them in my brain. They have become a soft shoe version of FOX.
Once again, the Republicans get away with not having to discuss any platform details at all. If Fiorina had to actually talk about what McCain will or will not do for families in America on health care (he won't do a damned thing for the uninsured), the economy (lower taxes and deregulation are the answer to everything), and any of the benefits/entitlement programs, it's another 4 years of the last 8. How do they get away with never having to discuss this stuff? By creating the kinds of distractions that draw our tabloid, horse race news media like bees to honey, while ignoring everything else.
Freddy Knuckles @ 55:
Stephanapolous has allowed Mccain to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran on his program several times. So did Chris Matthews. No challenges.
es-HUSSEIN-me @ 49:
hanks i'm not too bright
J.C. @ 57:
Ron @ 27:
My point exactly.
Of all the smart, educated, experienced women in this country, Sarah Palin was the best McCain could find? She does not speak for me and I will not support her simply because she is female. Would I like to see a woman president some day, sure, but not a woman of Palin's caliber. We have better representatives of our sex and hopefully most women will realize this and also realize they are being played by the McCain campaign. Any woman who votes for Palin simply because she is female is making a fool of herself.
Tom @ 48:
Eh? enormous "please"???
Will someone please explain what they - McCain, Palin, Fiorina, and many others - mean by "Obama has never taken on his own party" or "McCain has opposed his party" or a variation thereof.
Is that a requirement?
If you are a repug I would understand that you had plenty of chances to oppose your own party - if you are a decent human being, but blaming a decent human being for not opposing decent legislation seems a bit over the top.
I would like to see Fiorina fight with Hillary. This is just another case of the republicans whipping wedge issues up into a frenzy. It's like they think we're STUPID. Get Hillary on, you DOUCHEBAG.
So true. Keep up the good work!
myiq2xu @ 51:
Freddy Knuckles @ 55:
why did you edit my comments?
Tom @ 65:
and fuck you to tom....
you are a racist
ive got your ip and i know what sites you have been to
how are they doing over at stormfront
This election seems today to be more American Idol Mom, rather than who is best qualified to lead the country in case the president should become incapacitated. Jesus, when did knowledge and ability get wiped out of the qualifications? Palin is hardly the best person for the job, but for some reason America is turning a blind eye to that and instead focusing on someone with a large family and a iffy background. Hell, if she had six kids instead of five, would she be even more qualified? God only knows what people in other countries are thinking about us when we put a couple up for election like McCain and Palin and they actually tie in the polls with a team like Obama and Biden.
JHR @ 26:
I agree. Now I refuse to watch him - the dem debate with Obama and Clinton put me over the edge. It appears that little georgie is trying to get chris matthew's gig of most interruptions per interview. Very annoying . . . .
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 66:
While I would be justified in saying I did it because you're dumbass, the truth is I didn't care about the rest of your post.
ronhohn @ 63:
They're trying to further McCain's "maverick" image, and simultaneously undermine Obama's theme of change.
Their point -- a ridiculous one -- is that the measure of someone who really does things "differently" as opposed to "business as usual" in Washington is how often he bucks his own party. Since Obama won't stand up to the Democrats, but McCain stands up to the Republicans all the time, McCain's the real candidate for change.
It's abject nonsense, and if Obama had any sense about him, he'd respond thusly:
You gotta love this Republican logic, dontcha? They think McCain's the change guy because he bucks his own party sometimes? I got news for ya. The reason he bucks the Republicans is because he's at least got enough sense to recognize that they're WRONG on so many things. And by the way . . . when he was acting all "mavericky," you know what he was doing? When he was disagreeing with the Republicans? He was agreeing with us! This is so silly. He wants to measure bucking the Democrats against bucking the Republicans? It's not a fair contest. The Republicans are wrong so much more of the time! They're a much better party to buck if you have any decency!
Don't believe me? Why else would they be coopting all my issues? Why else would they be claiming the mantra of change? Why else would the people who broke Washington be begging you for a chance to fix it? Why else would the Republicans -- the ones who want to overturn Roe v. Wade and limit contraception and vote down equal pay -- say they're the champions of women? Because they know we're in the right! Sheesh, if you want someone to buck the system, kick out the party that's been in charge these past nightmarish years!
Don't you just love how the Liberal Media completely ignored Ron Paul's convention that was occurring at the same time as the RNC, and even featured prominent conservatives and a few thousand attendees? Or how they ignore Bob Barr running against his own party as a Libertarian?
Yet the PUMA people, who oddly enough got their start from a "former" CIA agent, get endless amounts of air time. I wonder why that would be?
pissed off patricia @ 61:
they're definitely targeting that demographic women and possibly men that are strictly voting gender. carly fiorina is working real hard. telling us that obama made a 'critical strategic error' not choosing hillary clinton and that the democrats don't understand 'sexism'...this is the power of suggestion. the palin choice is strictly
a political/pandering choice. obama could have done the same......i want to believe he chose the right person for the position not the right gender for the election.
myiq2xu @ 51:
In what way, exactly? Please enumerate. As a liberal Democrat, is having a woman in office worth legislation against gay marriage and adoption? Head Start? Oil drilling in Alaska? Access to free or subsidized reproductive health care for poor men and women? Creationism in the classroom? Continuing our international reputation as a self-interested bully? Giving trillions of dollars to maverick contractors who are held unaccountable for their criminal acts, and their treasonous profits off of the misery of American and Iraqi families?
Please explain what we will gain with Sarah Palin in the office. And symbolism doesn't count.
If Palin were a male and all other things remained the same, would she/he have a snowball's chance in hell of being on McCain's ticket? And if she/he were on the ticket, would that have done a damned thing for McCain's campaign? She is a token woman, no more and no less.
Women should resent the way Palin is being used and the way she is allowing herself to be used by the republican party and by John McCain himself.
I should say, having a woman at any cost.
myiq2xu @ 51:
Now I've heard it all.
Kare
Put very succinctly - my feeling exactly - I could not have said it as well.
People should McCon if LIEberman was his first choice for VP. If he says yes, the follow up question should be, "why did you pick Palin?"
If his answer is no, ask him why not? LIEberman has carried far more water for McCon than Plain has and then ask him if that's how he treats his close allies.
No matter how he answers, it's a no-win situation for him.
thanks. i sent feedback message to the show.
McCaskill is one of the Demo lightweights that the media frequently brings on to oppose a pube. I don't know why McCaskill is asked to speak for the Demos.
pissed off patricia @ 68:
last week i was listening to that addiction pimp dr drew...a man who made his bones by listening to sex stories of underaged girls, cry "whatever happened to the concept of citizen politicians"
that is what we are up against
the house of rep is set aside for the citizen pol
the founders never expected some hick from muskogee to be a head of state...nor did they want that
now, the repugs are trying to compare palin to lincoln, because he never had a formal college education
ok...lets see palin practice law
lets see her not misquote lincoln
lets see her pronounce nuclear correctly
When that question about Hillary came up McCaskill should have said: "There was an audience member questioning the integrity of one of Biden's closest friends and he went all out to defend her. I wouldn't buy too much into those comments."
unfortunately, people still think that ABC reports the news.
sad.
How did Stephanslopoulos get that job?
Who's d*ck is he sucking?
registeredguest @ 81:
She's a recognized woman who's been on the Obama campaign since the primaries. She'll be the go-to gal to talk about Palin until a bull dog can be found.
Beelzebud @ 72:
we all know why. the ron paul followers reveal the current republican platform and how it's far from being
'conservative'. todays republicans are big spenders, big
government,war and nation builders .....but they deny all those characteristics. ron paul people really are a
clear contrast compared to NEOCONs.
if more 'republicans' heard the ron paul platform they might vote for him....i often hear that bush and mccain aren't true conservatives.
PorridgeGun @ 62:
Already answered:
I wonder how many people actually watched this. God, what a bore.
myiq2xu @ 51:
Gawd you are confused. Do us all a favor and stay OUT of the voting booth!!
I know McCain is enjoying all the attention that Palin brings to his campaign, but I have to wonder if deep inside he rues the day he agreed to ask her to join him.
This is like getting a date with the cutest girl in school. It's all kinds of fun to brag about the fact that she's going to go out with you and make all the other guys are jealous. But once the date begins, you discover she never shuts up, is stuck on herself, and makes you miserable. Everything in you wants to just take her to her home and dump her, but you know to save your own reputation, you just can't.
registeredguest @ 81:
mccaskill is far from a lightweight...and she hit the points very clearly
fiorino lied
It really bothers me when our surrogates aren't up to speed. I LOVE Claire McKaskill, sorry for the poor spelling, but she didn't blink when Fiorina mentioned Obama's "100 present votes" in the Illinois Senate. As always, that talking point neglects to mention the nearly 3900 yes and no votes Obama gave during that same time. Not to mention the fact that McCain has voted 90 percent of the time with Bush and the many Senatorial votes, especially on vet's issues, that he has skipped this year.
As for McCaskill, if there were a debate between McCaskill and Palin, I would bet big money on Claire. Given a fair opportunity, she fights back and doesn't leave any lies laying on the table. She will draw attention to each of the them and debunk them faster than you can moose burger.
wow carly........her opinion....'critical strategic error'...
'whole host of women'..'does not understand what sexism is about'.'routinelyunderestmates impact of women'..that's a fact....verbal suggestion/melodramatics
But having said that, my personal opinion — Barack Obama made a critical strategic error by not choosing Hillary Clinton. There are a whole host of women in the Democratic Party who believe the Democratic Party does not understand what sexism is, routinely underestimates the impact of women, and they are coming in droves to the Republican Party because they think the party and John McCain get it. That’s a fact.
Freddy Knuckles @ 70:
if you choose to quote me...quote me in context
if you dont like my comments...dont use them
here is something you can quote...fuck you
McCaskill is much too nice to act like Fiorina.
But isn't it odd that McCain married a model, when she wasn't pretty anymore he dated another beauty queen while still married, then dumped the first one, married the $100m one, now picked another as his VP running mate, and when you see them together, he stands to her right, slightly behind and keeps ogling her ass?
Wull he eventually want to marry her too?
constituent @ 95:
How do you know Hillary did not want the VP slot?
pissed off patricia @ 91:
Exactly!!
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 96:
No, Joe. I won't. Now quit begging. It makes you look cheap.
registeredguest @ 81:
She beats the hell out of Dee Dee Myers, who I saw on the Today Show and then with Stephanopoulos on Nightline the day after the Palin interview. Both times I asked myself, This woman is a Democrat? When she was on Nightline, it was like I stepped into the Twilight Zone because the Repub woman was the one who was far more skeptical and honest about Palin's performance than Myers was. Myers hardly had a bad word to say about it, just going with the "I don't think it'll change anyone's mind" whitewash. If you need a "Democrat" who won't put up a fight, just call Dee Dee.
Stephanopoulos, Dee Dee Myers, Mark Penn, and that jackass Dick Morris do NOT have me yearning for another Clinton administration.
obama NOT picking clinton had nothing to do with gender.
mccain's pick of palin was a political move due to gender.
please tell me this isn't going to be another episode of nice guys finish last.
motorfingaz @ 98:
constituent @ 41:
i agree with you. however the possibility that t palin is involved
in the decision making in alaska is very high, though without
actual proof will be impossible to prove. but emails
going to a non govt employee or elected official and the
the fact that s palin uses deceptive actions to remove
and replace those she is in conflict with, just moves
the ball closer to the possiblility that t palin may be
involved/instrumental in implicit decision making
in alaska.
like yourself, i play devil's advocate to see if
anyone else is awake or concerned about s palin's
very sketchy resume and/or her apparent ease
to lie about herself and her decisions.
Ron @ 42:
agreed
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 34:
It's because of blinded Obama groupies like you who are ill-advising Obama that he's heading for certain defeat unless he 's able to overcome his stubborn resestance to paying attention to those who are much more politically savy such as Bill Clinton. However, even if he does manage to finally get his act together, it may be too late with only 51 days to go. Another Kerry redux! When will this finally end?
constituent @ 95:
Republicans were slobbering over the idea of Clinton being on the ticket. There's no one they would have more loved to see as the VP candidate. What people aren't getting is that they had this thing planned out for either contingency. If the pick is Hillary, they have the attacks ready to go to turn people off to her... and if it's not, they play the Palin card and institute this campaign to pretend that they are empathetic of those Clinton women and try to draw them to their ticket. If you honestly think this campaign could EVER have been about the issues with an Obama/Clinton ticket, you're living in fantasyland. It would have been even worse than it is now.
You are exactly right. To all the news media and pollsters, I think yoiu all are going to be in for a big suprise come nov.
It's all because no one knows who Barack Obama is - after 20 months of looking into every nook and cranny.
Everybody know everything about how wonderful Palin is, after just 10 days of spin.
Go figure
Tom @ 48:
Sorry to hear you've gone to the Dark Side (GOP). Unless you're an independent or a Green (or something else).
Always remember: Left is right, and right is wrong.
BID
Apparently Palin was picked by idiot and neo-Khan Bill Kristol because he met her on a cruise for his crazy right-wing magazine.
From the Telegraph of London:
A man whose greatest claim to fame is lying his a** off in the national press saying that Iraq had WMD's. Great.
ChrisD @ 1:
Here, here. As an employee of Agilent, although it has been lessened of late by ilk very similar to Fiorina, we as a company still partially embody the culture of HP long after Carly Fiorina gave HP an abortion of the "HP Way". That was a culture and a qualitative mantra that made HP thrive in bioscience, liquid chromatography, mass spectrometry, protein chemistry and RNA/DNA bio-analysis. All test and measurement was spun off into Agilent and what was left of HP, Fiorina utterly destroyed. Assclown is awfully kind of you! She has used her golden parachute twice now, once at Lucent and another at HP; I think she believes that the McCain campaign can give her a brand new level of incompetence to golden parachute from.
Mike In Milwaukee @ 4:
STOP WATCHING
The thing I hate most about the wingers is that no matter how wrong they may be, how big they have failed, they will look you in the eye and lie to you. They are the most dishonest bunch of assholes this country has to offer. Let me share with you that dishonest people are not dishonest only in one part of their lives. A liar is a liar all the time about everything. These people have lied us into the crap we are in now and they are lying to keep us in it. John McSame is not different than G W Bush. We cannot afford another day of these failed policies.
I'm curious where the PUMA propaganda comes in at from the title. I don't see a single thing PUMA's represent in this article. What is it, a cheap shot, trying to score brownie points, what exactly is the title supposed to implicate?
ronhohn @ 109:
For the all-too-large racist, redneck, moron vote in this country, they will NEVER know who Obama is--an educated, self-made black man.
They will ALWAYS know who Palin is--they simply look into the mirror.
BigIslandDave @ 110:
C'mon, Dave. Can't you smell a rat when it's sitting right under your nose? If this jerk was ever a Democrat, he hasn't been since at least the Lyndon Johnson administration.
jdona @ 115:
the implication is that puma is as phony as fiorina
the failed ceo
Freddy Knuckles @ 100:
someone stole my nic...that wasnt me with the humpin line
but if i find the guy who stole my nic, ill do to him what palin does to baby seals
Tom @ 48:
Oh silly troll, everyone knows Dixiecrats were never really Democrats....
Carleton Fiorina is just another Repug. Faker/Liar. She employed those skills while destroying H-P, took the millions and drifted away on her golden parachute; and now spends her time sitting on the Boards of several companies and foundations/schools.
Her parents named her aptly, she is now just a member of the good-old-boys club, whoring around from board-to-board, lapping up the perks.
She in no way represents the thoughts or feelings of any group of women, certainly not the vast majority of working women who struggle to raise their families, buy food, clothing, gas and health insurance.
During that ABC segment, part of which I watched live this morning (until I couldn't stand it any longer), if you focus on Carleton you will see that she never once turns her head toward Claire, never once looks Claire in the eye - a sure sign of a Liar.
(I learned that from Carly's Fox Network colleague - you know the body language expert.).
#118, if that is what you think or what they imply, they and you are really behind the game. PUMAs are not fake, they are not imaginary, they are very real. And the more emphasis on trying to dismiss us and our beliefs/concerns/objections, the higher the loss will be for Obama in November in terms of popular votes and percentages. Ignore and denigrate PUMA's at your leisure. And then scratch your head in November wondering why Obama lost.
calibpatriot @ 106:
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when will you concern trolls head back to freeperville where you belong?
its been 2 weeks since the repug convention...they got their bump...its done
i said this during the primaries and i will say this now...fuck the clintons
if obama has to cowtow to the two of them to get off their high horses and help defeat the repugs, they are both traitors to the dems
on their own they should be skewring mccain and palin
but of course, hillary has to say nice things about what palin has accomplished....horseshit
palin has accomplished nothing...read the record
jdona @ 122:
If you consider yourself a PUMA (and my reading of your posts would imply this), explain to me your rationale for supporting John McCain, please.
I'd like to know how supporting a man who does not support women's rights actually benefits you.
Fiorina bullshitted her way through that, and knew she was lying. She looked away often. Besides, she spies on her own employees, so why should I trust her?
And her hair looked like shit. Too many treatments, hon.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 123:
Wow, the funny part is to see all of these freepers having to control their gag reflexes having to say nice things about Bill Clinton in order to pretend they are "democrats."
LOL!
jdona @ 122:
One word of advice: PUMAs and DLCers should cut the middle man and join the GOP already. It is bound to be much easier than trying to convert the whole Dem party into the GOP.
PUMA, not PUMA: I just don't get any of it. It's silly to me (the foreigner). Clearly McPOW will be a horrible repeat of 8-years-of-Bush. People need to forget about their EGOS realize he wants to bomb Iran, and then who-knows-where? Pakistan? It'll be another GOP dynasty: fear and obey!
J.C. @ 101:
Edwin Hussein @ 129:
You need to look at it from the perspective of the average PUMA. Their nominee was an ex-goldwater gilr, who presided over her alma mater's college republicans chapter and sat in the board of one of the biggest union-busting organizations on earth: Wal-Mart.
Therefore, for some PUMAs, the possibility of having a GOP administration is less threatening than having the possibility of a slightly more liberal administration (not that Obama is that liberal, but we'll take what we can get at this point I guess... baby steps, baby steps).
I am honestly offended that these jackasses would take the name of a kick ass animal like a Puma to market the initials of their shenanigan movement.
Chuck @ 9:
Yes, she obviously does not have the class you do, Chuck. What an excellent way to bring votes to the ticket you support-- unenlightened insults and name calling. Let me know on Nov. 5 how that worked out for you. ;)
Carly Fiorina - the CEO who almost destroyed Hewlett Packard and was eventually sacked by the Board - has a vested interest in making sure McCain/Pailin win the election.
She is obviously in the $603K p.a. wage bracket and will receive exceptionally generous tax cuts under the Republican tax policy - at the expense of the 99% of middle and lower class Americans.
Same goes for Stephanopoulos and all the main TV network head honchos.
George also goes further by showing his continuing hatred of Hillary by his pro-Republican questions.
Sadly McCaskill was too generous with her comments of Pailin - whereas Fiorina continued the vile smears against Obama and Biden - with George's blessing.
And if Obama selected Hillary as his running mate - what are the odds that the likes of Fiorina and the rest of the Republican groupies go after her because of her husband's ADULTERY!
I hope Obama wins and if Biden steps down due to ill health (or other reasons), Obama selects Clinton to be VP. Come 2012 - America would have had an opportunity to see the "dream team" in action and most likely will vote them in for 4 more years!
And if Obama doesn't win - god forbid - here's hoping that Pelosi is stood down - and Clinton is elevated to Speaker of the House and that the Senate and House are BOTH controlled by the Democrats - making it almost impossible for McCain or Pailin to pass through any laws or policies.
How long would Americans be prepared to have a President who cannot do anything while in office???
Can you sense it? It’s called Panic…
And Barack Obama knows it.
The election he had in the bag is slipping away.
Big time.
Maybe it’s the 5 reasons Politico lists as the reasons McCain has pulled ahead and will in all likelihood, stay there.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13422.html
Maybe it’s because of the bubble Obama & his camp have trapped themselves in.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/29...
But then again, maybe it’s because of Hypocrisy.
For, after what happened to Hillary, former Dems like me - now Independents - are going to do the right thing and help make sure that the closest Obama ever comes to the White House in the next 4 years is a photo op with McCain.
Why the surprise over Stephanopoulos? His qctions have demonstrated over and over and over that he is a neocon whore. A journalist, he is not.
Oh yes don't kid yourselves. There are many of us, we are solely devoted to ensuring that the racist anti-American Obamas head back to their crooked Chicago politics. Don't think it's a joke. What you fail to realize perhaps the Cool Aid is too strong,...is that the Messiah is NOT Hillary and is NOT Bill. He is nothing like them in commitment, policy, fairness, experience (what a freaking joke), class or dependability and record. He is so arrogant he can't even force himself to pretend to like Americans, which Bill and Hillary are masters of politically. You like to pretend that abortion is the single issue? Guess what Obama has a major problem with this for moderate and even CHOICE voters. Even his lost Harvard law paper claims that it's to the state's benefit to push abortion so that so many children avoid being born into misery. HUH? No wonder he has no heart for Infants Born Alive voting to toss them in a closet without even comfort while dying let alone medical attention. Blame your candidate who could not give a straight cogent thought at Saddleback, what an embarrassment. We won't even go into the completely mortifying and scandalous racist Trinity crew and the unsavory associations. And LASTLY, watch Obama the anti-American throw the damn rose at the 911 ceremony like it was trash, while Senator John McCain gently places the rose with his broken bones. That sealed it for this PUMA. Obama is a manufactured candidate who hates Americans (like we can't tell) and we boorish, gun clinging religious zealots don't tend to vote for "people who don't like us very much". I'm looking forward to Clinton v. Palin 2012. I can live with EITHER because I am not a single issue voter and not paranoid about some vague dopey religious practices that have no interest to me or anybody else I know that all you radicals seem to think are so important while dismissing the racist Rev Wright as "normal".
Someone should have told Carly that McCain said we would stay in Iraq for 100 years. Oh wait, she knows that, she is just lying.
stephenawfulness is just Plain pathetic! He and the rest of those idiot's Brian Williams, Charlie Gibson and Couric.
If this is the best that we can expect from the Networks than i will stick with the Net.
Carly Fiorina: another failed CEO working for the GOP (Greedy Old Perverts.) The only things that she does well are lie and drive companies into the ground.
Oh, so she's the rich computer bitch made famous by CBS News.
Why was she fired?
She should be happy in bed with Palin, another rich exec!
Who knew she was a republican when that sad story was reported.
It was just boys picking on girls again.
Now, I have to take another look.
What's her name? Fiorina? Kind of weird name.
Not terribly middle american.
this farcical PUMA organization neatly preceded the palin nomination. i call GOP dirty tricks.
It is counter -productive to call women the B word no matter what the party. It feeds right into the statement "there is more sexism in the Democratic party". Are the mygynsts on this board Republicans hired to piss women off? Please stick to the facts:
1) Palin is against abortion even in the case of rape or incest
2) Republican platform wants the law changed so health care providers do not have to provide any sort of birth control (my city hospital is run by the Catholic Church)
3) As mayor, Palin billed the victims for rape kits (probably not a huge saving given the town is around 6000 but a huge slap in the face for a rape victim)
4) McCain is in bed with the neo-cons:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/17/randy_scheunemann_mc...
What an appalling little wh*re Stephanopoulos has become.
When the announcement of Fiorina's firing came over the loudspeakers at HP employees literally formed conga lines in the cubicle farms singing "Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead".
No surprise then that she's hitched her wagon to McCain. Typical Republican, creating one ill conceived disaster after another after another after another. These people MUST be stopped before the country goes into famine, pestilence and a full scale depression.
Looks like George and Gibson are pissed at Obama for not picking Hillary! George for a while was pushing Hillary as a VP choice quite publically on TV.
What has Carly Fiorina been smoking to think that McCain/Palin are going to win the women's vote? She believes fervently and delusionally that women are so stupid that they are going to vote for a ticket that wants to reverse Roe v Wade, not give women equal pay for equal work, teach creationism when they would probably prefer to ban the teaching of evolution altogether, and do everything they can to fortify the status quo because, in truth, republicans are scared shitless of change. They can say that they are going to change Washington all the want, but when they are handled entirely by lobbyists and big business, it isn't just incredible that they make such claims, it's also theatre of the absurd.
It really gets me that Ms Fiorina and her republican colleagues, as well as George Stephanopoulus and many of his pundit friends, just can't get over the fact that Joseph Biden is the named VP nominee for the Democratic party. They really want to use it like a wedge issue which they so desperately want it to be, but that it's not. Are any of them going to let go of that idea or are we going to hear it over and over and over again until election day? Isn't it any Presidential candidate's prerogative to chose his own running mate for his own reasons and that no one else, really, has any say in the matter? No one is questioning McCain's right to name Palin, but it's now very apparent that everyone, and rightly so, is questioning her qualifications, or really, lack of them, for the job of VP. When are republicans and right wing pundits going to shut the fuck up about the selection of Joe Biden as VP already? It really is none of their business. The American people can decide for themselves whether Joseph Biden is a good choice for VP by either voting for him, or not. I for one, am very happy with Obama's choice for VP. He is an excellent choice. Obama's decision was made based on very serious vetting, which is more than anyone can say for McCain's scary but laughably machiavellian choice. For the republicans and so many right wing pundits, yes, I do consider Stephanopoulus to be a right wing shill, to feign concern over this non issue, is as implausible as their caring for making any real change in Washington. The two concepts just don't mesh with and are contrary to their world view, if you can call it that. It's really more like a very narrow, paranoid, and self-protecting prism.
Palin is a game changer, and the
Obamacans know it.His one big decision so far, and he screwed up.
If Obama had picked Hillary it would be over now and Palin would be a non-issue.
During Fiorina's short-lived tenure as CEO of Hewlett Packard, thousands lost their jobs and the stock plunged by fifty percent. The day after she was fired, the stock shot up seven percent and the company is doing better than ever. Now this woman has the gall to talk about the competence of fellow airhead, Sarah Palin, as if she knew anything about the subject
papuma @ 136:
You shit from your mouth and call the underside of a bridge home, you are not a puma... you are a troll!
OK I think you're exagerrating for effect here. The interview ends:
"Because just wherever they come out on Roe v. Wade, most women are not single-issue voters, they are like men, caring about all of the issues that matter to this country.
MCCASKILL: I agree.
FIORINA: So we’re going to win, we’re going to win on the substance of the issues, as I’ve said all along.
STEPHANOPOULOS: We’re going to end on that point of agreement.
He was trying to get outof the segment and refered to when McCaskill said "We Agree" not the bit Fiorina slipped in after. Give me a break. And McCaskill had plenty of time to speak and she cleaned Fiorina's clock. Claire was excellent.
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