And McCain aspires to be a dictator here.

Just to say the facts... but the question was to name a decision that she did NOT agree with. For me.. obviously i'd think of gore v bush.. But what would a conservative say? takes a lil more thought.

So instead of framing posts like name ANY decision... name a decision you don't agree with

So when did she CHOOSE to be heterosexual?

She believes in god. This alone disqualifies her. We know Obama is an atheist, he is too bright to be otherwise.

Yeah, right. A choice in the same way that I've liked female feet since I was a toddler.

No choice there. I came out that way. Hard-wired.

Oh, and good comment at No. 5, carpenter.

Gawd, this woman is scary ...

I guess we can now say the phrase "Palin thinks" is a contradiction in terms.

McCain pulling out of Michigan

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_pulling_out_of_...

If Palin had a gay friend that was really close to her, Palin would know that homosexuality isn't some choice she picked off the sexuality menu.

Quick, somebody find her special pal and get the real story, cuz this is just another lie. She would shoot them from helicopters (as was mentioned in a different context, elsewhere, today) if gays were in season.

She needs to go back to broadcast journalism and stand in front of the weather map and just smile at it.

The choice I question was hers to get on an airplane after her water broke with a Down's Syndrome baby. Any Mother with half a brain would have gone to the hospital in Texas. She risked her life and that of her unborn child. Not only did she choose to fly to Alaska, she choose to by pass a hospital with a neonatal unit to drive on to clinic. This was a pre-term baby with a genetic abnormality. This woman needs her head examined.

Oh and god do I hate these 'alibi' arguments.

"I'm not a racist, I have many black friends.."
"I'm not an anti-semite, I have a jewish friend.."
"I'm not a homophobe, I've got a gay hairdresser.."

It's BULLSHIT. Okay? Hitler had jewish friends. It proves nothing.

How does someone choose to be sexually attracted to a particular sex? These God-Fearin' neocons are a bunch of haters who CHOOSE to be assholes. It's the loudest protesters who are usually concealing their true identities. "I am not gay, I've never been gay..." right Larry?

At the RNC, who went to visit the Log Cabin Goopers? No one...some unknown schmoe from some local political scene. Not one senator. Not one high ranking Gooper.

More of people voting against their own interests.

Someone clue me in as to WTF is wrong with people. Are they too blind to see? Too deaf to hear? Or just too friggin's stupid? I am missing so much these days. Hell, maybe it is *I* who is stupid for even having interests.

Oh I see- Palin is a bisexual who's chosen to only have sex with men.

Find her gay "friend" and find the lie.

I hate when people say shit like that. How the hell does this very dumb woman know? I'm hetero, and I have no clue to how I got this way.

Bit NOLA @ 15:

If Palin had a gay friend that was really close to her, Palin would know that homosexuality isn't some choice she picked off the sexuality menu.

Not necessarily. There's a good chance that her friend is also a religious nutjob who thinks the she is a sinner for being gay and that she can be "fixed".

"If this woman sneezes wrong, you wacky liberals jump all over her. Open your eyes to your own “Presidential” candidate. Obama has made choices over and over again that are questionable to say the least, but you rather try to tear down the “Vice Presidential” candidate. Good strategy."

Got it, please focus on other person's sneezes. Brilliant logic there.

"McCain pulling out of Michigan"

Well, certainly that is the correct way for a good Christian man to avoid causing an unwanted pregnancy.

But...does Cindy know about this Michigan person?

F R U I T C A K E

I don't know, well I do know I suppose, why there is ANY analysis out there that thinks she could possibly "do well" in the debate or is a good debater. You can not overcome stupidity and being chronically uninformed. I watched her Alaska debates and they were TOTALLY different than what she faces tonight. She'll do her smiling beauty queen vapidity tonight. She'll toss out some pre-arranged "zingers". Some of the pundits will ooh and ahh. However, outside of the real core base the rest of America (as the polls demonstrate) think she is somewhere between dumb and stupid. They know she is uninformed. Not only was there not this baggage going into the Alaska debates but there was no real pre-conception of her. And, in the Alaska debates, her cute little "zingers" worked for that particular, small, unique, audience. There is not a DAMNED thing she is capable of doing tonight that is going to make anyone feel any better about her as VP or Pres. She won't change a vote one way or the other. The only thing that can change this race is Obama and/or McCain.

palin is judgmental and intolerable

Alice X - (Click Here for Nader on the 'Bailout' Bill) - status quObama - change you can pretend in - @ 1:

And McCain aspires to be a dictator here.

Has anyone make the connection to this clip and GW's "as long as I get to be the dictator" clip? Its the first thing that popped into my head! MoveOn do a mash up of the two and sarcastically say "change we can believe in?"!!!!!

AnotherWatcher Says: Leadership @ 7:

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The two of you can just shut the fuck up. No really, both of you.

Obama is a Christian. That's it. His father was an atheist. He is a Christian.
I am an atheist and I'm STILL voting for Obama.

'Queers' as you so derisively call them, are HUMAN BEINGS. They are no different than you except in their sexual preference which is BIOLOGICAL.

The whole "Progressives are intolerant of people who believe in God" argument is so worn out and tired it's pathetic. There are plenty of religious people on this side of the political aisle, so just give it up.

Both of you, Take that to the bank, cash it, and go on a fucking vacation out of our lives, PLEASE.

Alex@24
It's sad to see that your father made the wrong "choice".

hmotes @ 10:

So Sarah is claiming she's had a gay friend since she was 14? I wonder who she is.

It's got to be from when she was Sarah Barracuda on the Wasilla HS basketball team. I'm just sayin.

I have a very good friend who just happens to have green eyes. Now I wouldn't choose to have green eyes, and don't have green eyes, but my friend - and it's not my "green-eyed friend" just my friend does have green eyes, and I respect and love that friend with or without green eyes.

"I have, one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years who happens to be gay."

Nice line. Ain't true. Andrew Sullivan has been all over this. No one in Alaska seems to know who the hell she's talking about. She won't name them and that person refuses to stand up and be noted, so....

Is it the voices in her head? AGAIN?

p.s. And I love the "...who happens to be gay." phrase. Like, "...my Uncle Bob, who happens to be a pedophile...". How come it's never, "...my friend Bob, who happens to be straight..."?

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Live and Let live…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynfCkpUYyJs

Nobody chooses their sexual urges and impulses, but individuals do indeed CHOOSE to act upon them (both gay or straight). Both sides of this argument are way too emotional and need to deal with logic and reason, rather than their johnson. Our economy is hemorrhaging and we're chin deep in cruel and unjust wars and THIS is STILL among the major talking points for libbycons? Why not education, immigration reform, etc. Are we that obsessed with talking about ejaculations??? The world might be a better place if everybody masterbated, those who have been with their significant other know what time it is!

24 Alex Says: So what if that is her view or perspective on gays.

Well Alex, I'm sure all the gay voters, the families of gay voters, and the friends of gay voters, and those people in this country who just plain are not BIGOTS probably care very much about the views of the vice president on this matter.

No one would jump on Sarah Palin for sneezing wrong, because that is not the phrase you fucking moron. The phrase is "If she BREATHES wrong." Learn to speak before typing.

And frankly, no one's going to jump on her for breathing wrong either since we're surprised she even knows how to breathe in the first place.

Left&left@47

It's a shame that I respect your views, but you can't respect my views. Now that is a shame and a disgrace for a liberal. We can all disagree, but at least respect everyone. That is a major problem with the extreme left.

You don't say.

constituent @ 58:

ashton @ 33:

"If this woman sneezes wrong, you wacky liberals jump all over her. Open your eyes to your own “Presidential” candidate. Obama has made choices over and over again that are questionable to say the least, but you rather try to tear down the “Vice Presidential” candidate. Good strategy."

Got it, please focus on other person's sneezes. Brilliant logic there.

a simple sneeze.....NOT knowing the BUSH doctrine. the inability to say what she reads routinely for reference.....giving nonsensical answers to basic questions....PLEASE read kathleen parker and david brooks recent articles....oh and george WILL.
palin raised taxes on oil co. profits why is that OK but
when obama mentions taxation it's a terrible idea and he wants big government(like BUSH)?

Obviously not well.

i WILL give palin some credit though raising 5 children
and one of those children is a Down Syn. newborn I'm
wondering how she does it.

constituent @ 58:

ashton @ 33:

"If this woman sneezes wrong, you wacky liberals jump all over her. Open your eyes to your own “Presidential” candidate. Obama has made choices over and over again that are questionable to say the least, but you rather try to tear down the “Vice Presidential” candidate. Good strategy."

Got it, please focus on other person's sneezes. Brilliant logic there.

a simple sneeze.....NOT knowing the BUSH doctrine. the inability to say what she reads routinely for reference.....giving nonsensical answers to basic questions....PLEASE read kathleen parker and david brooks recent articles....oh and george WILL.
palin raised taxes on oil co. profits why is that OK but
when obama mentions taxation it's a terrible idea and he wants big government(like BUSH)?

i WILL give palin some credit though raising 5 children
and one of those children is a Down Syn. newborn I'm
wondering how she does it.

Obviously not well.

"I won't judge anyone". I'll just legislate against them. Oh, and maybe try to "cure" them of teh gay.

54 AnotherHitler Says: As you talk of Nazis being bigots, you all are just as bigoted toward a Nazis WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. There is NO difference in the two. YOU all are Aryanphobes. Deal with it. As someone said above. There is no scientific evidence it is a genetic thing. If it IS proven to be genetic, it is a genetic MISTAKE and Jews are just genetic misfits. Or if you will, genetic aberrations and no different than a Downs child or any other genetic mistake.

There, fixed that for you big guy.

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ALL typical liberal non sense. Let's all scream and try to tear people down to get our way. Why not try to build yourself up instead of trying tear people down. Oh that would take too much work. Nevermind.

It's all blah blah blah.

liberaltraitor@59

sneeze......GOD Bless You!

Let's be honest here.

These were very easy straight forward questions. Come on; name one bad Supreme Court decision other than Roe v. Wade. This is the kind of question that you ask a middle school kid on an exam.

It amaze me to see people praising Katie for exposing Palin for who she really is, when Katie have proven to willingly to carry the GOP water for McCain.
Tina Fey could not have written a better comedy routine than what Sarah Palin have already provided, and Katie in spite of her best effort can not save Sarah Palin from herself, nor could McCain take control of the leash around Palin's neck. If what we are getting in spite of Couric and McCain editorial censureship, then I can't fathom of who the real Sarah Palin is unfiltered. I rather watch "Friday the 13th" movie than seeing the real Palin.

Someone should ask Sarah, when did she make the choice not to be a lipstick dyke?

Alex says:
ALL typical liberal non sense. Let’s all scream and try to tear people down to get our way. Why not try to build yourself up instead of trying tear people down. Oh that would take too much work. Nevermind.

So what exactly have you been doing here on this thread? Doesn't sound like you've been 'building yourself up.' All you've done here so far is scream "You guys are the bigots!! I know you are but what am I?"

It's all blah blah blah.

I know you are but what am I?

liberaltraitor@59

sneeze……GOD Bless You!

That's cute, really.

i noticed that immediately -- someone needs to find this "friend." if she exists she needs to be asked if she believes it's a "choice."

80 AnotherWatcher Says: Taarak @ 74:

liberal traitor @ 71:

54 AnotherHitler Says: As you talk of Nazis being bigots, you all are just as bigoted toward a Nazis WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. There is NO difference in the two. YOU all are Aryanphobes. Deal with it. As someone said above. There is no scientific evidence it is a genetic thing. If it IS proven to be genetic, it is a genetic MISTAKE and Jews are just genetic misfits. Or if you will, genetic aberrations and no different than a Downs child or any other genetic mistake.

There, fixed that for you big guy.

LOL

How do you breath with your head so far up your ass?

You were a great teacher, what can I say? It's best to learn from the master.

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Alex @ 84:

Filthyharry@76

Come on Harry. Obama goes to a church for 20 years and listens to hate sermons and isn't influenced by this. Please.

What's a name for a liberal troll? Cuz' there are a lot of them.

Really? How about speaking in tongues? Being "protected" from witchcraft? Believing the Iraq war is a mission from god?

Please.

I think the "pastor" wars have become passe at this point.

Of course being homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual isn't a choice. But, what if it was? What would be the difference? If someone chose to be homosexual or bisexual, does that make them less of a person, less worthy of rights, or less human than a heterosexual? If someone feels "wrong" in their body, should they not get the chance to express what they believe is their true self through the steps leading to gender reassignment, if that is what is right for them? The whole topic is ridiculous; relationships between consenting adults, that provides them with the love they want in a partner should be celebrated. Pre-18 kids who are figuring out what they feel should be allowed to discover that without fear. Come on, the human species MUST be better than this!

AnotherWatcher @ 54:

As someone said above. There is no scientific evidence it is a genetic thing.

I'm the only one to mention science so far, so I guess you mean me. And that's pretty much the opposite of what I said. I said the scientific evidence is leaning that way, but that it isn't entirely conclusive.

If it IS proven to be genetic, it is a genetic MISTAKE and queers are just genetic misfits. Or if you will, genetic aberrations and no different than a Downs child or any other genetic mistake.

Well that's interesting, since I've never heard someone cast moral judgment on someone with Downs syndrome due to their condition. And there's really no such thing as a genetic 'mistake'. Nature doesn't make mistakes. Nature does what nature does. "Mistakes" require judgement. Nature doesn't have one. Humans do.

Besides, you have a seriously flawed understanding of genetics if you think you can easily make that kind of judgment. Is sickle-cell anemia a 'mistake'? It kills the victim. But someone who only carries the gene has a higher resistance to malaria. The gene is still around because the net effect was positive for survival, at least in West Africa where the gene is common. We don't know what, if any, gene causes homosexuality, and therefore you cannot possibly know what else that gene might affect. Given that is has to do with sexuality, it might in fact be something entirely necessary for sexual reproduction as a whole - and therefore survival for everybody. In which case calling it an 'aberration' would be ridiculous.

Grandma Jefferson @ 64:

"And I love America where we are more tolerant than other countries are"

Oh yeah? Is that why an effigy of Obama was hanging from a tree at George Fox University in Oregon, that kind of tolerance?

This news does not surprise me one bit. I had to go there for my daughter's school choir competition one year. We were both a.m.a.z.e.d. at the crazy-ass bumperstickers on the cars in the parking lots. Anti-abortion. Anti-contraception. Anti-Democrat. Anti-homosexuality. It was bizarre.

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Alexdem Says: AnotherWatcher @ 54:

And this is where I came in, because the last time I remember hearing someone refer to an entire population within humanity as a "genetic mistake" it was the Nazi's justifying Aryan superiority. That is why they decided to "cleanse" the population of not just Jews, but Gypsies, Cripples, the elderly etc etc etc.

Taarak @ 74:

liberal traitor @ 71:

54 AnotherHitler Says: As you talk of Nazis being bigots, you all are just as bigoted toward a Nazis WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. There is NO difference in the two. YOU all are Aryanphobes. Deal with it. As someone said above. There is no scientific evidence it is a genetic thing. If it IS proven to be genetic, it is a genetic MISTAKE and Jews are just genetic misfits. Or if you will, genetic aberrations and no different than a Downs child or any other genetic mistake.

There, fixed that for you big guy.

LOL

You said it. How can people possibly be THAT ignorant? Frankly, they astound me.

AnotherWatcher @ 99:

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HAHAhahaha. So exposing bigotry is actually bigotry?

Good try. Now shoo, little troll. Shoo.

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You folks realize that bringing up arguments about Obama's religion is only meant to divert the conversation away from the actual topic.
My advice to everyone here, as well as Biden tonight and Obama in the future ~ DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!
Stick to the discussion at hand.
Do not let the cowards frame the debate.

All things in life are a choice...whether they are easy choices or not is to be debated

Left&left@86

Sounds like you're the type that will go to a protest just to protest without even knowing what it's about. "Yeah we're against it, we want change. What are we protesting again?"

I guess you never had children. If you did you would know that you watch who their friend are and not let them hang around the wrong crowd because THEY DO INFLUENCE THEM. How do you have friends for decades and not share their views?

Oh I don't know, probably the same way that one of my good friends of the last 10 years is a Republican and I'm not. Probably in the same way that my Dad is a Republican, always has been, and I'm not. Probably because people who are actually intelligent can make their own decisions.

The trolls are being replaced by the gay hating freaks! Check out the sick fuck, Another piece of shit@99.

Alex @ 84:

Filthyharry@76

Come on Harry. Obama goes to a church for 20 years and listens to hate sermons and isn't influenced by this. Please.

When Obama says in an interview "I support terrorists and hate America", I'll be worried. Palin is being criticized for her very own words revealing her character and beliefs, which are fundamentally different than most reading this blog. You can't argue that. But you can argue that Obama's "associations" or whatever are just associations and not a reflection of decisions he would make in office or influence he would have.

I'm really not sure how you defend Palin making clear her opinions which offend most of us. Some will vote for her because she believes homosexuality is a choice, others will not vote for her since this reveals a shallow and unthinking person. Luckily, the latter seems to be the case.

socallib@109

What a dumb comment. Yeah let's debate, but only have one side. Sounds like the liberal doctrine. Unbelievable.

Who knew....

Maybe Palin is Bi....

So did she just flip a coin on "choice" regarding sexual preferences?...

"What’s a name for a liberal troll? Cuz’ there are a lot of them."

Intelligent, progressive, open minded?

How about...Ghandi, Jesus, Lincoln.

POP Pissed off Patricia said it best today ” Every time Palin speaks, she makes me feel smarter”

Everytime Palin speaks, my hair hurts.

118 Alex Says: socallib@109

What a dumb comment. Yeah let’s debate, but only have one side. Sounds like the liberal doctrine. Unbelievable.

OH NOES!!! HE KNOWS ABOUT DA DOCTRINE!!! EVERYBODY QUICK, HIDE YOUR DOCTRINES!!!

Seriously dude, what the fuck are you rambling about?

SocialLib was at comment # 106, not # 109, so I guess we know you can't count now.

Plus, at what point did SocialLib say you couldn't post here? Exactly, he/she didn't. He/she simply suggested that we start ignoring you because you and your little buddy are fucking morons. This is my last post to you as I think I might just take SocialLib's advice.

LiberalandProud@121

How would you describe a conservative?

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Diana@120
You know she's lying again. Remember, before George Wallace died, he had a "black" friend.

rick street @ 85:

What I can't figure out is why her youngest child decided to be born with down's syndrome.

LOL! I get the analogy, but one clarification - the child was not BORN with Down's Syndrome. He chose it after he was born. I would not have made that choice but I won't judge.

123 Alex Says: filthyharry@116

I don’t want my President coming from that church of hate or anything similar to that.

Me either, that's why I never vote Republican.

liberaltraitor@121 122 whatever it takes.

Yeah go debate with people that you totally agree with. That is productive and progressive.

Liberal AND Proud @ 102:

Don't feed the trolls.

"I say leave it with the bigoted, they're animals anyway...so let them lose their souls."

I know I can never win an argument against a troll but its good to get it out there and show easy it is to repudiate them. My target is the same as the trolls' target, other readers. Lest a reader walk away thinking "hey that knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing troll has a point' I like to get a good rebuttal out there.

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81 motorfingaz Says: Someone should ask Sarah, when did she make the choice not to be a lipstick dyke?

The correct terminology is lipstick LESBIAN - dykes are usually butch. Femmes are known as the lipsticks. Although I guess she could qualify for both as she field dresses a moose and shoots wolves from airplanes. Personally, that's the stuff of nightmares.

Please, do not lump the likes of persons like Palin in with those of us that are proud to be gay. And as others have said, there is no friend but maybe an acquaintance. You know, like the neighbor down the street that she sometimes sees at the grocery store.

Interesting thread we got going here. I wonder if I'm a bigot. Because I hate Religion. Hate it. I don't hate the people who believe though. I think they are manipulated and fooled. Believers are victims. I feel sorry for them. But I don't respect their beliefs. I don't have to. I, also, don't try to stop them from believing. Other than pointing out that the bible is very insufficient at explaining the world we live in. I can't accept miracles, spirits, angles, demons etc. etc...... anything supernatural or make believe. Because its all so UN-REAL! All I ask is that religious people leave their imagination at church or home and when you come out in public to deal with what we can agree on i.e. that which is tangible.