New Obama Ad Uses VP Debate Footage To Show Dangers Of McCain Health Care Plan
By Logan Murphy Thursday Oct 02, 2008 4:00pm
The Obama campaign has already released an ad using footage from last night's VP debate and they've scored another direct hit.
The ad targets Sarah Palin from last night's debate as she proudly announced John McCain's disastrous health care plan that allows a $5000 tax credit for Americans to purchase health care -- and then strikes right back with Joe Biden's brilliant response, reminding people that in order to offset the credit McCain's plan would tax American's health insurance premiums for the first time in American history. The ULTIMATE bridge to nowhere. Brilliant! (h/t Jamie)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V1JgodtIls
I love how his campaign didn't let any moss grow on their backsides before getting this ad out.
Now can we start guessing what Obama is giving Michelle tonight for their 16th wedding anniversary? I hope the gift is delayed until Nov 4th and he can give her the honor of being first lady.
Now THAT'S a great ad!!!!
That one ought to do some serious damage to the dangerous duo of dunces!
I didn't crunch the numbers but I'm willing to bet that if this McCain proposal ever becomes law, it would amount to the largest single tax increase on the working class ever.
In McCain World you can buy $12,000 worth of health insurance for $5,000.
I understand that you can eat all you want and never gain weight there, too.
Good. great! Awesome!
I hope they keep nailing all the slippery "GOP" douchebags right to the fucking wall next to their failed policies.
Y E S !!!!
McBubbleboy and Slippery Sarah have screwed the pooch. Stick a fork in them. They are done.
Probably the only scripted moment of Biden, but he delivered it well.
Palin bagged a Bigfoot.
McCain has Alzheimers.
Therefore, vote for Obama/Biden.
Yeah.
Good fucking luck.
Gotta love how fast the Obama team gets on the air. That is how you run a campaign in 2008.
I have an ad idea for the McCain campaign using video from the debate. Ya think they'll use? I'll have to get back to ya.
Sit on both hands when you read this lest your index finger quickly finds it's way to the back of your throat http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDYzMGFiNjQ0MWRjNmI0ZTlkYjgwZTE...
Very good ad. Let's see more!
But this worries me:
The McCain campaign has now shifted virtually 100 percent of his national ad spending into negative ads attacking Obama, a detailed breakdown of his ad buys reveals.
By contrast, the Obama campaign is devoting less than half of his spending on ads attacking McCain. More than half of its spending is going to a spot that doesn't once mention his foe.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_campaigns...
Mark @ News Corpse @ 13:
Oh hell yeah, they should use yours!
When was the last time we saw a veep candidate on the catwalk in a bathing suit? Using her voice and words was splendid.
You notice they had Palin bring up the 'mandate' theme.
Obama has said he would only have a mandate for
children's healthcare. NOW he may need to modify that
I don't know. I just think it's interesting to watch the
republicans/'Darwinian Capitalist' scream social/government medicine when we are in the middle
of a government bailout for the financial institutions. I also find it interesting that corporations set up shop in countries that have cheap labor...it's cheap because it's
in great supply without unions but also because they
have nationalized healthcare.
Obama wants to add on to what we have NOW. If you
like your current healthcare keep it but he wants to
open up the congressional plan....create a large PAYING
pool....bring cost down.
mccain's plan will NOT change anything. it will NOT cover medical care inflation.
VietVet8666, you really want to support someone who votes againsts veterans issues time and time again. Here is a sampling of the man you seem to back:
The IAVA (Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans for America) has given McCain a D and Obama a B+ when it comes to their veteran voting record. (Obama is on the veteran affairs committee)
He definitely isn’t getting any support from VoteVets.org. If I remember correct they gave him a ZERO rating, worst possible.
The Vietnam Veterans of Americasays McCain has voted against them in 15 key votes. Obama only voted against them one time.
The Disabled Veterans of Americagave McCain a 20% rating while Obama got an 80% rating on their voting records from this organization.
So vote for the man who may have been your comrade-in-arms at one point if you want. He sold you out years ago for his rich lobbyist friends.
What company did he hire to do his web ads?
I wanna work for them.
After watching the debate, and then this morning having to see the news cycle trying to make Palin's performance as some sort of Churchillian tour de force.... I ended up losing my voice after yelling at the TV. Most of the people that pass for journalist in this country, do truly have no shame.
I am glad Obama is getting this out as to not let the M$M frame the performance of Palin in the debate as anything other than the true mental midget she is.
And btw, a minor peeve... but since when is acceptable to use the terms "joe six pack" and "doggone" in a national debate for the second office in the land?
The Fembot goes on the attack http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/palin-on-fox-news-couric_n_1316...
The debate format didn't get the Fembot off it's scripted talking points but the interview with Charles Gibson and Katie Couric did and we all saw what happened in that situation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HQJpza5lLA (at the 2:05 minute mark).
Obama on Single Payer Healthcare:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America the wealthiest country in the history of the world … cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody … . A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see." - AFL-CIO Conference, 2003.
But Obama repeated that he rejects an immediate shift to a single-payer system
"I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer [health insurance system]. What I said was that if I were starting from scratch, if we didn't have a system in which employers had typically provided health care, I would probably go with a single-payer system. Given that a lot of people work for insurance companies, a lot of people work for HMOs. You’ve got a whole system of institutions that have been set up,” he said at a roundtable discussion with women Monday morning after a voter asked, “Why not single payer? People don’t have time to wait. They need relief now. -CNN Democratic debate, 1/22/08
Weaseling we can believe in.
Biden was brilliant in that segment. But from my perapective, Obama's plan sucks only marginally less than McCain's. Neither one is offering health care, just different insurance schemes that only put more money into the hands of a bunch of thugs who have proven over and over that they have no right to participate in the process. Massive corporate welfare to a bunch of profiteers who will contiue to deny healthcare by denying payment. "Sorry chumps, that's not covered, but thanks for all the cash...it'll make great executive bonus money". I'm sick of bailouts and welfare for fat, rich gangsters.
Don't call health insurance health care. It's a dishonest conflation.
Obama and McCain need to come out in support of HR 676.
ontheleftcoast @ 18:
I do not support John McCain.
I am a Viet Nam veteran.
This is fantastic. I thought this was the second best point made all night by McCain. (The first as McCain is not a maverick). The best moment was the singled father moment. Just awesome.
This is LOL funny
Pat Buchanan is on hardball and he is all about how good Sarah did last night. At one point he said McCain should get sick Tuesday and call Sarah in to debate Obama. And he was serious too.
If you don't pay $5,000 a year in FIT, your "health care tax credit" is reduced by every dollar less. Many of the working poor owe little to no FIT. McSame's proposal, to the extent it's not a straight-out scam, is simply incoherent and not a solution -- other than to the coffers of the insurance industry that is mostly the problem to begin with.
VietVet8666 @ 11:
If you don't earn three hundred thousand a year and vote Republican you are brain washed.
There is no God, this is the only life you get. You want to spend it serving and defending the rich and their policies?
Most families would pay about $1000/month for health insurance if their employer did not cover them (at least that's how much my family was paying when my husband decided to become self-employed and I hadn't found a job with benefits yet--and we have no major health issues).
That's $12,000/year. A $5000 tax break is not even half that amount.
Simple bloody math. $5000 is less than $12000. You lose.
WILD how reality has a progressive, liberal bias, you know?
An excellent response ad. Now, if they could just do something about the Democratic platform...
Bonkers @ 30:
My wife and I both got laid off, then lost our COBRA coverage. We now pay more than $5,000 a year for a backstop catastrophic policy that has $5,000 deductibles for each of us. McSame is FOS, the numbers don't add up.
Let's do the math:
I now pay $14,000 dollars a year for my family health plan. It now becomes taxable, and I will have to pay approximately $4200 in taxes on that money if McCain's plan goes through. That means that I will net $800. Big deal.
This is comming from a man who has rarely been of the goverment dole for health care. It sure was lot of fun trying to get helath insurance without being part of a group, in fact it is downright punitive. This country is a third world nation when it comes to healthcare.
I am not against paying for my healthcare. I just do not want some company taking 25% of my money for profit just for working the middle.
We need true reform of health care and insurance in this country. A single level of cost for coverage based on your income. Simplification of payments to doctors to reduce the cost of insurance administration. Have doctors focus on wellness and improving health versus simple treatment. Controlling medical costs and the explotation that occurs in all levels of medical services. Controlling pharmacutial prices. Reign in medical malpractive insurance by getting rid of the bad doctors.
I only want the same level of care that Mr. McCain gets!
bigmike601 @ 33:
But, but, but, he went through a number of years with no health care in Hanoi.
The first version of this ad I saw included the audience response (supportive recognition) and Biden's earned, indignant glance back toward Palin. His answer was a public chastening. I think the Obama campaign chickened out, unwisely, by omitting this.
Discussing the heath care issue after bailing out the American banking system is like Christmas shopping with no money. ...simple bloody math!
but if I could have a pony, I would sure want the same kind Obama wants...
The guy on Hardball just said that things are starting to solidify regarding how Obama is doing. People are getting use to the fact that Obama is going to win. Its starting to gel. Its starting to harden. I'll tell you, I'm starting to harden. lol
BobbyG @ 34:
actually, I think he was still covered....
dosido @ 38:
He pissily brought that up yesterday when talking about his plan after taking a question about his always having had taxpayer-funded coverage.
One question from all you Obama fan? Does universal health care become a reality with only the top 5% of America's wage earners paying for it? Because according to Obama everyone else gets a tax break. Wake the hell up. If it happens, there will be tax increases for everyone who pays tax. Do any of you know that the top 5% of wage earners in this country already pay 40% of all taxes? Did you know that the bottom 50% of the population pays only 2.9% of all taxes? Bet you didn't. You've been listening to the biggest lie of all. How much more do you think they can pay? Already foreign concerns and corporation are picking over the bones of America's economy because Americans don't have anything to invest to stop it..
Do you want to see how Obama really feels about America's well being. Obama has a bill in congress called the Global Poverty Plan. This plan within a short period attempts to eliminate 50% of world poverty by spending somewhere in the neighborhood of $843 billion of America's tax money. This is on top of all the millions we are currently giving for foreign aid. Can anyone answer where the greatest concentration of poverty is? Well it's the sub Sahara. An who lives there? Well of course, the vast majority are Muslims. Who's countries are some of the most corrupt and brutal regimes going. So Obama is proposing the biggest bailout of all time for the very people who want us dead and gone. Gee, it makes sense to me. An there's some of you who doesn't believe he has a connection to radical Islam? Heck they paid for his education, they want something in return.
ontheleftcoast @ 18:
For Christ sake none of those orginzation have supported a conservative or a Republican ever. Some are so far left as to be out of sight. That won't wash, with ther lies.
That made me happy when Biden said that last night.
Could you please go back to using youtube (or anything else but vimeo)? It doesnt buffer, starts and stops intermittently, and so is really annoying...
bigmike601 @ 33:
Well unless you spent 20+ years in the military like McCain or get elected to congress like Obama, you're not going to get it. Just that simple.
I haven't seen a doctor in five years. A lot of people have extra cars and waste a lot of money. I'm fine with the government putting a gun at the billionaires heads and demanding cash to pay for my healthcare. If the superrich were as patriotic as the dupes they exploit to stay in power, they would be glad to step up and help so many Americans with their tax dollars.
Airborneranger @ 41:
hey airborne, thanks for stopping by. good reason they are "so far left" given mccain's record of betrayal. here are some FACTS for ya.
Airborneranger @ 44:
He is not gonna get health care because even American banks dont have money!
He is not gettin health care because America can barely afford to pay social security.
He wont get heath care because we spend a trillion +dollars a years on our imperial military...
He wont get healthcare cuz Americans are fed up paying taxes to a deaf/unnacountable govt.
No pony for you bigmike601 maybe next year sweetheart! whydontcha keep looking through the christmas catalogue and find something not quite so expensive instead?
I'm so glad the O/B campaign is giving B more air time. He was pretty much spot-on last night, and they should keep using his passion and experience to reach undecided voters in the swing states. Way to go, Joe!
Do you know how much health insurance costs for two people in a family plan with a $500.00 dollar deductable? $ 962.42 a month. That is $ 11,549.04 a year.
If you get a plan that costs say $ 350.00 a month the deductable $ 10,000 to $ 10,400.00. Insurance is one of the biggest rip offs that has ever been invented!
Well beside conservatisum.
republican = insanity!
This is a union busting measure. What's going to happen to union dues in the case where the union is providing insurance for the freelance tradesman and the union is forced to eat this tax?
This is a scam.
Why do you say "tax American's health insurance for the first time ever?" A few years ago I added my partner on to my health insurance plan as allowed by my employer. I quickly learned that under those circumstances you have to pay tax on the estimated worth of that health insurance as if it was extra income. You have to pay quarterly and in advance. The tax payments worked out to roughly the same amount as buying health insurance would have cost. Now, if my partner and I had been married (of course the Federal Government won't allow us to do that...) there would have been no tax payment whatsover. NONE. The health insurance for my partner would have been free. So, because we are a same-sex couple we have to spend several thousand dollars more per year than a straight couple would. And that is in the form of a tax on an American's health insurance. So they have been doing that already for a long time and it is grossly unfair.
Tyler Durden @ 20:
And btw, a minor peeve... but since when is acceptable to use the terms "joe six pack" and "doggone" in a national debate for the second office in the land?
You know it has a new name
FOX IN MESS or folksickness
it sure appeals to Joe six lardy packs and the promise ring and ball crowd out there with 32 k earnings and nowhere to go!
On a fresh note by the time the silly S&J could implement their 5 K plan it will not matter we will pay 30 K and only if we are healthy. YOU BETCHA!
Wow, good job guys! This is really great! We even beat McCain at HATING more.
I think it's much more rational to provide universal health care, with tax cuts for all, without a definite withdrawal date from Iraq. Did I mention our nation is in one of the most terrible financial crises? Don't worry we'll just keep printing depreciated money, backed by absolutely nothing, I'm sure that will solve all the problems.
Fox in socks
Health care costs
I do not like McCain's health plan
I do not like it Sam I am.
I had heard a few off topic references to this in the last few months and it sounded too absurd to really think it could be for real. $5K? That don't buy shit.I'm a corporation,and rthe sole employee, and my company pays for 100% of my family's health care, as part of a large group plan administered by my payroll company (Paychex in NY). $12,180 a year for the family, 100% deductible.
WTF good is a $5k credit? Maybe it will pay for a home visit from Jack Kevorkian.
gueuze
Rational Mind @ 53:
Atta concern troll!
This is bullshit. Regardless of whether Obama or McCain has the worst healthcare program, neither of them is single payer healthcare and neither rates even one gold star. Both are corporate enriching plans. Really, the question is which of them loves the fat cats more. Both plans are essentially intended to allow the Healthcare Industry to continue to make vast, immoral profits off the suffering, death and misery of the sick and ill. Neither plan will stop the insurance companies from refusing to cover or provide benefits to those who are ill or dying. Sort of like arguing over who was more evil Hitler, Stalin, Attila the Hun or Ghengis Khan and pretending that makes your side morally superior. Like arguing over whether you prefer Satan's left or right side.
I'll vote for Obama but holding my nose so hard it bleeds and makes me cry. Damn both of them.
To borrow and adapt an appropriate sentiment from the classic Pulp Fiction (and please excuse my French in advance): "Goddamn, that's a pretty f!cking good ad!"
I don't even care if the moment might have been scripted, if it was. Thank God Biden was ready to pounce when he did, and with such emotional body language; the ad wouldn't be nearly as powerful if he hadn't addressed the camera.
Dems need to keep up this particular line of attack, hard. Repubs are seen as owning the issue of taxation, and this angle could really kneecap their strength. Combine this with a full hate-on of how McCain wants to turn your healthcare over to Wall St, and this could be a winning issue.
This ad is fantastic. Health care in this country totally SUCKS. It's not fair that it costs some people virtually nothing and some people hundreds to thousands. It's not fair that some people pay taxes already on their health insurance benefits. It's not right that I spend HALF of my paycheck on health insurance for my family. It's not fair that one person pays $10 for the same medicine that costs another person $250. It's wrong that ANYBODY profits off illness. Think about those fat cat ceos running pharmaceutical giants and insurance companies. There should be a copay for all based on income to discourage abuse and the the rest should be socialized. We are now 37th in the world for QUALITY yet we spend more per capita than any other country. Yes, let the free market reign McCain, you asshole.
While the republicans have been in office their philosophy has been, "I got mine-you get yours". Now the bottom has fallen out of the market they say. "I got mine--give me yours, too." If we don't get this universal healthcare plan established in USA we will lose the chance for 20-30 more years. Because the public is fickle and will turn republican stupid again. It is wrong to have 50 million Americans w/o health insurance, and the majority have piss poor insurance, and businesses cannot compete globally being strapped with our healthcare costs. You would think the republicans would have thought of that-but they are too short sighted to see the big picture. The price of drugs is pornographic. I used to have a heart problem and the drugs cost more than my car payment. Walmart is helpful with many drugs for $4.00 each.
Good ad. But, so what? Obama's plan sucks ass, too. Neither one of these guys is offering healthcare, just welfare for a bunch of gangsters who issue death warrants in order to pad their bottom lines.
HR 676.
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