Two Former Senators Wonder if Saudi Government Involved in 9/11
Apparently, Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey think so.
“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.
His former Senate colleague, Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, a Democrat who served on the separate 9/11 Commission, said in a sworn affidavit of his own in the case that “significant questions remain unanswered” about the role of Saudi institutions. “Evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible Saudi government agents in the September 11th attacks has never been fully pursued,” Mr. Kerrey said.
I'm guessing if 15 of the 19 hijackers had been Saudis and not Iraqis, we would've invaded...oh wait.
15/19 were saudi
the money came from saudis
Some stuff you can't make up!
"A Saudi national, Bassnan was living in San Diego last year and has been linked to Omar al Bayoumi, a Saudi student who befriended two men who wound up helping crash Flight 77 into the Pentagon. The sources also say that the ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, gave $15,000 to Bassnan."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
You mean Bandar "Bush"? Isn't that the nickname the Bush crime family gave him?
"On Sept. 13, 2001, George W. Bush invited Bandar to the White House -- not to press for more liberty and less hate-financing in Saudi Arabia, which is consistently ranked in the lowest 5% of all countries in global-measured freedoms -- but to hug him and smoke cigars (according to a hair-raising profile of Bandar in the March 24 New Yorker)."
http://mattwelch.com/NatPostSave/bandar.htm
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Impossible!
/s
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Yep.
Impossible? ...or an inconvenient truth?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
And just think, while the nation's airways were shut down, a number of Saudi's were given special flights out of the US.
Nothing to see here, move along...
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
A friend of Bushes, a friend for life.
American loyalty, not so much.
It could simply be a coincidence but there is a Saudi Arabian millionaire 'with links to 9/11 terror attacks' living in luxury a London home while working for state oil company.
The evidence of these links appear to be documented.
Tampa Bay...
Saudi couple tied to to 9/11 hijackers
The telegraph / UK...
September 11: A Saudi family, a Florida villa and the al-Qaeda death squad
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
does it take before you realize they weren't coincidences at all?
The truth will set you free but can you handle the truth?
What if we find out the Saudis and the Bush clan were in on 9/11: what the fuck do you think "sheeple" are going to do about it?
We will just go on with out pathetic lives as "consumers" buying Ipods while Chinese slave workers throw themselves of buildings! The TV machine will tell us who to hate this year;
Iraq
Iran
Syria...
And like good little lemmings we will play are simple minded parts.
Wes Clark - America's Foreign Policy "Coup"
PNAC
The Carlyle Group
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
What Gen Wes Clark talks about in WINNING MODERN WARS...on pages 120 and on 130....
looks to me like someone has gotten a wee bit behind their schedule
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." — Margaret Mead U.S. anthropologist & popularizer of anthropology (1901 - 1978)
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
like to know just exactly what the Carlyle Group is up to. They are now connected with the Bush Clan buying up water rights around the world.
"unflinching, unswerving, fierce intellectual determination, as citizens, to define the real truth of our lives and our societies is a crucial obligation which devolves upon us all. It is in fact mandatory. If such a determination is not embodied in our political vision we have no hope of restoring what is so nearly lost to us - the dignity of man." ~ Harold Pinter
"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for, at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
-- Paul Wellstone
"In times of change, the patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain
"There comes a time when silence is betrayal." - MLK Jr.
“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” ~ Martin Luther King Jr.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
We'll never know.
But many do.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
I have always observed a tenuous relationship between what people "know" and reality.
No wonder the most unreliable evidence is an eyewitness.
...then after, damage control and what-not.
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Long Live America!!!
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Members of the Saudi Royal family was allowed to fly out of the country?
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
Two weeks before Osama Bin Laden claimed responsibility for it, we did not fly out the Chavez family or the Putin family members or the Almedeinjhad Family. Funny how those families were ignored.
They flew several Saudi's out of the country by presidential decree, well after all the planes were ordered out of the air on 9/11.
Frontline and several others have done this whole story over the years but no one paying attention to it.
Why would the Saudi gov't risk being found out? This makes no sense.
I think it's more accurate to say that they "wonder if a faction or factions within the Saudi government may have been involved".
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
As it played out, they reaped trillions of dollars by doubling the value of oil, not to mention having the US take out a threat on their border.
TYJmL&S
Former and Potential Senator Bob Kerrey interviewed.
http://youtu.be/wDfm3NroVG8
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
anybody able to posit the slightest reason why the Saudi government would do any such thing?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Good question. Bear in mind though that most reports only suggest that members of the Saudi government were involved, and not the 'government' per say. Hardball did a section on this development today, and that's a distinction that they made clear.
Either way, the way forward is to simply follow the evidence.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Hardball Interview: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Thanks. I respect what the reporter and former CIA officer have to say.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
They drove up the value of their only export, and manipulated the US (or conspired with BushCo) to remove Saddam Hussein for them. There's also no doubt that Pakistan was an enabler as well. Welcome to Hell folks, pray to God to rescue us.
TYJmL&S
Saudi Arabia had no standing army. And even after, a hodge Podge army of conscripts that didn't amount to much.
Saddam remained a threat, and was still eyeing SA. Why not "encourage" their pal Bush to do what he wanted anyways?
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
from the typical establishment position. Usually, people who accept the 9/11 commission report wholesale acknowledge a motive, but cite the implausibility of government involvement or any kind of conspiracy (except the official one, of course). Now that evidence of at least one government's involvement has been established, you are questioning the motive.
But Saudi financing of various clandestine intelligence operations is well known. The late Riggs Bank has been the focal point of these operations for some time. The same is true for the Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
As for motive, it's merely a case of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours." The Bush family, which has close ties with both the CIA and the oil industry, is in a position to curry favor with the Saudis, and vice versa. Why is this so hard to accept?
Possible analogy there. Certainly not official government policy, in fact illegal. That did not stop Reagan's people from doing this. Of course, Reagan knew absolutely NOTHING about anything illegal taking place.
Most people with at least a semi-functional tin foil hat can come up with dozens of plausible motives (see below). In reality, however, when people know they can act with impunity, crazy s**t can happen.
Saudi's / 911
DUH !!
Ya think?
~~sigh~~
I'm betting people will still not wake up.
This too shall be swept under the gays. God and guns rug.
Surely something that happened 10 years ago is ancient history. It was only last week I saw a man holding another man's hand in the park!
Our 10+ year response to 9/11 has bordered on evil. We retroactively deserved to get hit that day.
borderd on evil, it IS evil. Torture, rendition, occupation, mass murder. OUr foriegn policy decisions in the Middle East prior to 9/11 brought the hammer down.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
This information is ten years old.
I remember Graham talking about this at the time of the commission and wondering why nobody was picking up on it. Also remember being called all sorts of awful names for having the nerve to deviate from the cable news narrative.
Whenever they get uncomfortable or afraid...
Here's an interview on CNN with Bob Graham from awhile ago..
http://youtu.be/3YlE9tBqc9U
More in depth interviews need to take place with these key players involved. There are plenty of them. Ask Questions. Demand Answers. And please.. no more name calling and juvenile insults to people who are simply curious about the largest terrorist attack on our country in many of our lifetimes. Geez.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Right after 9/11 Bob Graham basically quit. He really never gave a good reason as to why and basically stepped back from politics (I'm from FL).
The type of guy he is, I knew he was really pissed about something, but he wouldn't say.
He probably didn't want to end up like Paul Wellstone. Or take the risk like Tom Daschle and Pat Leahy of getting biological warfare weapons mailed to him in the mail.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
I was thinking I clicked a link from October 2001 or something. Lets not rush to judgement, maybe the author has been in a coma since 9/10/01 or something. Oh sorry to the author, I guess the news part is that finally someone in the US government is actually acknowledging this. Must be a 10 year statute of limitations on crashing airplanes into buidlings (Federal Code 322-1-A45B).
May be a day late and a dollar short, but there is a ton of stuff out there implicating the Saudis (not just the government, but the people - although in a theocracy its easier to blur the lines between the two).
http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
43 million months before 9/11.
This article appeared on cato.org on August 2, 2002.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/h...
The United States has made common cause with an assortment of dubious regimes around the world to wage the war on drugs. Perhaps the most shocking example was Washington's decision in May 2001 to financially reward Afghanistan's infamous Taliban government for its edict ordering a halt to the cultivation of opium poppies.
When the Taliban implemented a ban on opium cultivation in early 2001, U.S. officials were most complimentary. James P. Callahan, director of Asian Affairs for the State Department's Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, uncritically relayed the alleged accounts of Afghan farmers that "the Taliban used a system of consensus-building" to develop and carry out the edict. That characterization was more than a little suspect because the Taliban was not known for pursuing consensus in other aspects of its rule. Columnist Robert Scheer was justifiably scathing in his criticism of the U.S. response. "That a totalitarian country can effectively crack down on its farmers is not surprising," Sheer noted, but he considered it "grotesque" for a U.S. official to describe the drug-crop crackdown in such benign terms.
Yet the Bush administration did more than praise the Taliban's proclaimed ban of opium cultivation. In mid-May, 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a $43 million grant to Afghanistan in addition to the humanitarian aid the United States had long been providing to agencies assisting Afghan refugees. Given Callahan's comment, there was little doubt that the new stipend was a reward for Kabul's anti-drug efforts. That $43 million grant needs to be placed in context. Afghanistan's estimated gross domestic product was a mere $2 billion. The equivalent financial impact on the U.S. economy would have required an infusion of $215 billion. In other words, $43 million was very serious money to Afghanistan's theocratic masters.
since the plan of an Afghan invasion landed on Bush's desk on Sept. 10, '01.
We have done this in other countries as well. Usually does not get news coverage in our "drug war" society. America spends about 72 Billion on the drug war a year.
FYI. The CATO Institute is controlled and run by very right wing pun dents with a serious agenda for funding the drug war and Iraq/Afghanistan. Tied to crazies like the Heritage foundation and the Koch Brothers.
No shit, Dick Tracy?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
a far-right "Libertarian" looney bin funded primarily by the far-right Coors family.
Putting aside the subject of this post for a second, I am so tired of hearing that. The hijackers weren't acting on behalf of any government.
Or is it just your ignorant opinion.
the Saudi hijackers were recruited through a help wanted ad in the local paper.
Will you post a story about the "Possible" connection between the Hijackers and our own Government?
The reason we attacked Iraq in Gulf War One WASN'T to save Kuwait, our Ambassedor told Saddam we didn't care. Only after Saddam turned his tanks towards Saudi Arabia and Bushs other family did we mobilize. Let us not forget the Saudis ADMITTING they were playing with gas and oil prices to get Bush re-elected.
They are not our friends, and lets not put anything past them.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
After the Attack the IDIOTS in the administration FAILED to tell the sitting puppet oops president daddy bush that Kuwait did belong to Iraq but it was to be used as a BARGAINING TOOL with Iraq, with out the correct information bush told Iraq they could have Kuwait, OOP! as usual, secret negotiations failed to get to those that make the decisions, and NOW we are committed to a WAR against IRAQ.
Mr. Teaspon @ 11:36 PM
And you know this how? Please provide links
Red Dawg
Term limits will produce more former representatives and senators who, after enriching themselves, develop a hint of conscience and start being honest.
How many times did Olympia Snow vote with the Democrats before she announced her retirement?
Why did Chris Dodd throw together at least some half-assed reregulation of Wall Street before he retired?
If these politicians realize that they cannot buy decades worth of elections to fill their coffers with corporate bribes, maybe we will get representation for someone other than the richest among us.
I realize only a certain kind of person actually becomes a Republican in the first place, but at least we might have a shot at a real representative on the Democratic side if the same corporatists cannot keep running.
"When you're president -- as opposed the head of a private equity firm -- your job is not simply to maximize profits. Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country has a fair shot." - President Barack Obama
just put the inexperienced in office with no historical references. The idea reminds me of going to the hospital for an operation and asking for the guy who's never done that operation before. The newer they are the cheaper they are to buy. Fix the problem and get the money out.
Public Campaign Finance would cure 90% of our ill's.
Lets' see, the Saudi family in residence with the bush's on the day of the attack, then ESCORTED out of the Country to PROTECT them.
Almost all the TERRORISTS were SAUDI'S, yet they attack IRAQ?
No ACCOUNTABILITY, from the FAILED Administration on the SAUDI ATTACKS and NO, NO, NO investigation into Saudi Arabia's citizens and their INVOLVEMENT .
The complete Failed Administration and the Anti American corporate OWNED republican parties FAILURE to DEMAND a ACCOUNTABILITY even to day and ALWAYS using Anti American corporate Ideologies as a misdirection yet, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL to ask the hard questions.
Why was the TERRORIST alert of August 6th IGNORED, if this wasn't PRE-PLANNED with misdirection as a COVER UP, WHY? WHY? WHY? isn't the Anti American corporate OWNED republican party Challenging the Saudis.
After putting much research into studying 9/11, especially studying what Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth say, I don't believe the official story in the first place. Why don't these 2 senators request a new investigation into 9/11, this time not set up to fail.
Former Sen. Bob Graham calls for new 9/11 investigation
Here at C&L, you can't discuss anything about 911 because ........ wait for it ............ someone died that day !
So, kids, just remember, you can commit any crime you want, just remember to kill someone in the process, that way, no can ask anything about it!
You can just say, shhhhh! Don't you know that someone died that day? And therefor, you cannot talk about that any further? And everyone will go along just to get along and be on the big band wagon ! Yayyyeeeee ! Bandwagons!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I love this site. A great big band wagon of complainers.
You all complain about so many things but yet quiver in a collective puddle of pee when comes to looking at anything really tough, like 911. You all just bury your heads in the sand when it comes to that. You all just accept the official government fairy tale when it comes to that.
Time to delete my posts now, wussies! You're so tough, with that censorship and everything. Can't take any heat can you.
Someody died that day! Woo wowowo w owwwoowooo woooooohooo boo hooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing. That's where you rest your case. Good for you.
Saudi children are brought up by Wahhabists. This is an extremely anti-western sect of Islam, very prudish, very fundamentalist. Think Evangelicals. The House of Saud realized a long time back if they were going to rule for generations (like Gadhaffi, like Assad, like Sadam Hussein) they would have to make a pact with the devil. The majority of the 8/11 bombers were brought up in just such madrasahs. The Wahhabist indoctrination made them perfect for al Quaida recruitment. They were educated on money we paid for oil. We brought 9/11 on ourselves.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
duh
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
More on the links between Saudi officials and the terrorists - and between said officials and George Tenet, W. Bush etc.
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At 9:37 Eastern Daylight Time on September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 slammed into the western side of the Pentagon, killing all 59 passengers and 125 others in the building. News of the crash went global within minutes; yet another symbol of American power was ablaze. For the few still struggling to believe that the United States was under attack, doubt evaporated like the bodies of the many dead.
Conspiracists have puzzled for a decade over the failure to intercept the aircraft - or indeed, take even the elementary step of phoning the Pentagon to warn them of the approach. But only recently has wider attention been paid to the failure of the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA's) Bin Laden unit to tell anyone that "muscle" hijackers, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, were in the country.
The chairman of the 9/11 Commission, Thomas Keane, is now on record [1] as calling this "one of the most troubling aspects of our entire report". How is it that, despite having known for several months about al-Midhar and al-Hazmi, nobody at Alec Station saw fit to mention them to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the counter-terrorism policy board in Washington, Immigration or the Defense Department?
The Bin Laden Issue Station - codenamed Alec by insiders such as US Army Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer - was the CIA unit dedicated to reporting on al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and militants in Afghanistan. It was this unit that had called on authorities in Malaysia to monitor the Kuala Lumpur "terror summit" at which plans for 9/11 were probably finalized. Both al-Midhar and al-Hazmi were at that meeting.
Accounts differ as to exactly when the CIA became aware of the hijackers' presence in America. But specific orders were issued not to share the information: Doug Miller, an FBI agent loaned to the Bin Laden unit, was among those who received the instructions. In his book Pretext for War, author James Bamford quotes another FBI agent loaned to Alec: "[T]hey didn't want the bureau meddling in their business - that's why they didn't tell ... that's why September 11 happened."
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB11...
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