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the joke of health care reform, I guess. :S
I've never seen change without a fire
I'm not bummed as much as pizzed. I am fucking mad as hell.
Some stuff you can't make up!
sort of defeatist about the whole thing. Tweeting back to Sen. Boxer that I wasn't donating to her campaign because the person I'm caregiving for is uninsured and can't even buy Medicare felt great, but only temporarily... It just isn't enough.
I've never seen change without a fire
I gave up on meaningful health care legislation several weeks ago and have been pretty much hoping and expecting this round of negotiations to go into the crapper where it belongs.
So I feel more relieved than dispirited, cuz i expect this bill will die as it should.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
it's come to this.
I've never seen change without a fire
won't let this bill die. and the corporate media has spent the day looking for dems to support this bill. the DLC / DSCC / DCCC think this will go over. it would be a big surprise to see progressives agreeing with teabaggers (for different reasons, of course) about how fucked up democrats are.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Just recently polls have begun to ask "Why do you oppose the bill?" as well as "Do you oppose it?" and the opposition from the left has just been growing and growing.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
The illusion of progress in health care policy, whatever form it takes, will be embraced by our society as the greatest accomplishment ever.
Just as the threat of Sadam’s WMDs, the righteousness of destroying Iraq, waging modern war on a 13th century society, the negligible consequences of printing trillions on demand, the benevolence of the major financial institutions, the common knowledge that concrete and steel buildings can dissolve in 10 seconds, that lying about a blow job is an impeachable offence, that torture is not only justifiable but necessary, that the Supreme court can legitimize voter fraud and mob rule or that we are no longer citizens but consumers.
Is there any doubt
KO put a hurtin on those fucking assholes tonight
Some stuff you can't make up!
i hope he got through.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I'm done with incumbents anyway.
Some stuff you can't make up!
anyone in the house or senate that has
been around more than one term, is bought
and paid for......incumbents are just
corporate WHORES
over the internet and in complete agreement. I'm going to add one thing using the words the president used in the controversy between the Harvard professor and the cop that arrested him, "The president is acting stupidly." There is no reason for him to give in to the poor excuses for Senators that are threatening to vote against the bill with a public option. No public option, no mandates. He should be using his powers to influence them to push the public option through. Senator Ben Nelson, if the abortion issue was that important during Bush's administration, they would have had it on the table at some time. If you have that much of a problem, introduce a bill separately and see how much support you get. Lieberman, I don't see why the citizens of Connetticut have let you get as old and wrinkeled as you are, you POS.
the president is DLC / DSCC / DCCC. their goals are corporate. I need not say more.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Ed flatout says it ..
MSNBC's Ed Schultz to Obama: "Your base thinks you're nothing but a sellout."
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
about time too.
I've never seen change without a fire
Greenwald and Hartmann and Taibbi and that whole crowd can write article after article about how Obama's losing his base, but none of those articles has the impact of that short video.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
*
I've never seen change without a fire
I knew everything I needed to know when after the primaries, the FISA vote came, the timing and delay until AFTER the primaries is suspect in itself.
Obama had stated categorically he was going to fight. For me (some people might call me a leftist) he was far from an ideal candidate but fighting illegal surveillance done with impunity by the government was a central issue.
He was in a position to make a difference, if he was a GENUINE opposition candidate.
The fight came, Obama turned 180° and ran with the fascists.
That told me everything I would ever need to know about Obama.
He won't fight, if he says he will fight you cannot believe him.
I was immediately off his bus, though I didn't ask for my contribution money back and still get his squirrelly emails.
You can fool me once but I'll be damned if you can fool me twice.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
OBAMA is to the American democratic base
what tiger woods is to his whores....useless
corporate gizzam.
edi is a true centrist. I do not always agree wit hhim, but he seems as honest as republic used to be. now, he looks like a lefty, the way this political systems has become so skewed.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Hate Crime Prosecution:
Pa. Police Chief Accused of Cover-up Ordered Held
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
*
I've never seen change without a fire
Perp Walk The Top Cop ..
.. that sends a powerful message to the whole community!
"They deemed the police chief to be a likely threat to witnesses so they put him in jail."
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
There was a little nepotism going on there too. The top cop's daddy was a captain in the department and seems to have drawn a little attention for being an asshole himself.
The statistic alone is staggering.
What's sad is the discusssion is all about whether the Commander in Chief should write letters of condolence to the families of military suicides (which is of course a valid issue) but not about why there are so many suicides in the first place.
US Military Suicides Out Number Soliders Killed By Enemy Fire For 2009
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Organized Killing is morally wrong and every person has a moral compass [to start that is] so it is only natural that it should make them sick.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I guess the fact that, unlike the robber-baron bankster corporations who defrauded us last year, the health insurance companies had to work a lot harder, for a lot longer, and spend billions and billions in Congressional bribes and lobbying to get their pay off.
And, I've no doubt that while we've all been distracted by the health insurance hoopla, the banksters have been doing more evil which may soon be revealed.
We'll still have to wait and see what the final House/Senate version of the bill looks like - but, if the Dems were smart (I know, I know..?) they'd make the Repukes have to vote down the final bill, instead of conceding defeat and folding.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Who was the last honest man/woman in Congress?
Who was the last honest Senator?
The honest ones all left or were tossed out when Newt Gingrich became speaker and changed the game from serving to being served.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
He strikes me as honest. Bernie Sanders is there. Dennis Kucinich is there.
They're not all sellouts. Just most of them.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
well said.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Yeah, I have to agree with your picks, they are all good men but none of them will ever be placed in a leadership position and that is the sad part.
The sellouts far out number the chaste.
The age of the Corporate Super-Citizen has begun, and their minions in Congress will render us (the little guy), as obsolete.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
we, the little folks, have been obsoleted in this system decades ago. "We the People" is just a catch phrase......
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Honesty? You show me an honest person in the world and I will show you a liar.
Dependability would be a better measure.
You can count on the Repugs. they are very dependable for their constituents......The Corporate Super-Citizen.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
You have honest politicians? Where are they hiding out?
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
So I was surfing the interwebs earlier, looking to see if there were any "Recruit Dean for 2012" sites out there (there are none, by the way), and somehow I ended up in the depths of Wingnuttia. There were all these oblivious jack-offs telling each other about what's constitutional and what isn't, which from what I could gather was a document I doubt most of them could read let alone discuss. I got to thinking where were all these constitution "experts" when the Supreme Court appointed 43, where were these experts when said President did away with Habeas corpus, where were they when warrentless wiretaps and search and seizures became the norm. How about extraordinary rendition? Not an f-ing peep. Yet, now they're up in arms about govt run health care (which we already have Medicare & Medicaid), Obama not being a citizen(Hawaii is kind of exotic), the "czars"(who were first appointed by Nixon I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). Then I get to thinking "Is this all really because he's a black guy?". Because let's be honest, at this point it sure feels like we are living in Bush's third term, So nothing has changed. We don't get health care. No help on the mortgage front. The endless wars continue. Wall Street's still riding roughshod over the rest of us. So what, was 1954 Mississippi always lying in wait just under the surface of white America? HE'S FUCKING BLACK GET OVER IT YOU JACK-OFFS!!!
Obama is a liar.
And this one has nothing to do with health care. of course. he is just a typical politician. So I'm sure all is forgiven.
I've tried this on two different browsers and the video does not show up at all.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
http://remixamerica.org/videos/robin-williams...
That's funny. Google the first line and bluegal's link is the first one to come up.. Try the second. or the one above.
Thank you. I'm going to try that. It's the one at the top of this page that doesn't work.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Cool.
So,.... I watched the video. Is it just me or did Robin take one too many lines before that routine?
Robin was coked to the gills during that entire decade. Everyone knows that. Having watched it, I'd say he wasn't as high as he was in other famous shows of his. Almost subdued by his standards for the time.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Coke is a mellow buzz
Unless you first smoke some sinsemellan with some Afghani hash through a bong.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Ever tried a coco puff? It's a cigarette with a half a line of coke sucked up the front. The combination of the nicotine and the cocaine makes for a pleasant, short-lived euphoric head rush.
But for some reason, it doesn't work the same way when you do it with a joint.
"If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee," Obama said. "Your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you ... Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year."
He added that the costs of Medicare and Medicaid are on an "unsustainable" trajectory and no is action taken to bring them down, "the federal government will go bankrupt."
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theov...
I say then so fucking be it. It is not like the people are being supported adequately anyway. Employers are going to drop coverage. Sounds good to me because providing health care coverage should be removed off the backs of businesses so they can better compete globally. Obama can take his concessionary presidency and shove it.
It's exactly what a Republican would say to win.
coverage should be removed off the backs of businesses so they can better compete globally
I thought that part was in the bill... Hmm..
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
The number of uninsured Americans is now up to 60 million. Debtor countries are no longer just of the Third World variety any more. China refuses to do anything about global warming, and Barry might let us down on it, too. This article isn't racially-charged. Goodbye Seychelles islands. The Brits drop the checkbook in ten years. Congress extends the Patriot Act, and many naively believe it'll help to reform the legislation. The Copenhagen conference is ironically full of its ow smoke. McCain wants Obama to pardon Jack Johnson. At least the House extended jobs and benefits programs...Will we finally invest in super trains? The census needs work. Even the normally neutral Electoral Vote isn't impressed with the health care bill.
By Raúl Pierri - IPS here
Democracy Now here
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Environment News Service here
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or cant sleep Alice ?
every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .
Finished my last class last night, was exhausted and went to bed. Now here I am...
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
Up at 4:30 AM EST which was an hour and a half late.
I get up early, except when I sleep in, like today.
I always sleep like a baby.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
( as my dad used to say ) sleep 3 maybe 4 hours and toss and turn for a couple of more , get up more tired than when i went to bed , hell of a deal .
every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .
Riding the range
Means burning your butt.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
if the fire is about 2 feet tall
every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .
better in the woods than I do at home.......although getting out of the sleeping bag to go to the bathroom in winter is a bummer.
The best part for me is laying in the sleeping bag and listen to the woods wake up around me.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
only
Thu, 12/17/2009 - 03:30 — dnyknot
if the fire is about 2 feet tall
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On a Kenmore?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
In my lessor moments, I wonder whether the 24-hour Orwellian stream that is FUX News and the manufacturued lunacy that is the Teabagger movement are somehow part of an experiment to see if the American left can be simultaneously stunned into calling for free speech to be rolled back and disabled from using the term "Fascism" when it actually applies.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
No One Is Going To Save You Fools
by thereisnospoon
Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 04:28:17 PM PST
Before I explain the generic insult, let me first make something perfectly clear: I am your enemy. That you don't know this is understandable: after all, people like me prefer it that way. But until you understand just what you're up against and why, you're going to continue to lose, and look like fools in the process.
Barack Obama has indeed sold you out. He and many of his Democratic colleagues have sold you out on healthcare, and they've sold you out on financial reform. You were looking for a savior, and you've been had--not an altogether atypical result for those looking for a strong leader to "save" them.
He hasn't done this because he's a bad guy. In fact, he's a great guy. I think he's doing pretty much the best job he can. He's sold you out because he's not afraid of you. And really, if I may be so bold, he shouldn't be afraid of you. You don't know who really runs the show, and you're far too fickle and manipulable to count on.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Campaign finance reform.
But I doubt, that would even fix it.
Very interesting read tho. Thanks for that.
This country did changed in the mid 50's early 60's.
In the mid to late 60's, all holds were barred.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Electoral reform. Bottom up.
Consensual representation on municipal boards and city councils.
Consensual representation in state legislatures.
Consensual representation in the House.
Repeal the 17th Amendment; add amendment that all legislation begins in the House. Convene the Senate only for nomination confirmations, treaties, and at the end of the Congressional session to review all bills passed by the House.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
To be honest. This can't be fixed anymore.
Might as well just try to live your life the best you can. Have as much fun as you can before the lights go out.
Speaking of which, I'm goin surfin. A soon as it starts to get light.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
After reading Karen's post I was going to suggest campaign finance reform.
But after reading yours mud, I want to go with my prior plan which is to find a chunk of land in the middle of no where (like the Trinities) and just give up.
I think I live my life quite well, all things considered. ;)
I'm not totally convinced it can't be fixed. I just think it will take decades, not an election or two, after which, as the article points out, our demographic tends to become disillusioned and gives up.
Nevertheless, I understand your cynically pragmatic sentiment. For me, the cynical pragmatism manifests thusly: Have as much fun while you can, remain politically active in the process and try to change the system no matter how unlikely your success . . . and have a life-line escape plan ready in case you need to leave the country as the USA fails.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
We don't get enough of it. And the mega companies have so much of it they can burn it.
And when it comes to making even more money. The mega companies buy whom ever they need to maintain the status quo. Which is to keep making money hand over fist.
It can't be stopped anymore. It's grown to such a huge monster, that nothing can control it.
They buy whom ever they think the country will fall behind at that time. They knew people were well burned out on Bush and the GOP. They knew people were on the fence about HRC. They knew to finance this black man because the people were ready for a change. Plus they'd vote for this man so they could tell themselves that they aren't racist.
Those issues mentioned in CoIntel's link, Is all true.
It's all fact. That's how this country works now.
So, might as well just have some fun. Cause there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.
I'm sorry Karen for being so negative. I hope I didn't sour your mood at the start of the day.
I still hang on to a little hope. That's what gets me out of bed every day. But, I come to the realization that being happy is the most important thing. And being so wrapped up in the daily lies,obfuscations,distortions and all around bullshit of politics ain't all that healthy for anyone. Certainly not good for mental health. So, I say, Enjoy Yourself. We're not here all that long.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Aldous Huxley and soma
George Orwell:
And in response to the query of a A Lessor Moment
Everything publicly done by the owners is an assault on the public domain.
As Marx had it, it began with the enclosure movement in England.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Prepare to be assimilated.....
Resistance is futile....
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
You are thinking of the Borg,
cross reference.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I was all over the place w/that post.....must .....have.....java....
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Bjt0Z0psY
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Thu, 12/17/2009 - 05:17 — Karen
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People tell me I look like I belong in Scotland
But considering they're the one's who started eating deep-fried Mars bars in their pubs, I'm not sure what they're saying.
And as for "fixing our country" I'm already crossing my legs for luck.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
But I've had deep fried ice cream burritos. Here,of course. Sprinkled with a little sugar and cinnamon.
tasty.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
May the Flying Burrito Brothers have mercy on your soul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1ehMrK3itM
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I don't think I'd want to end up in Britain. The UK is fast becoming an Orwellian surveillance society.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Cameras everywhere. Th only place where you aren't being watched is way out in the country. And if you are a stranger, the country folk watch you. Very friendly. Lovely people. But make no mistake,they watch.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
And we're not?
FISA 101
NSA 101
The Brits have their cameras, we have our cellphones.
We are much more efficient, and ubiquitous at our surveillance.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Heh, I didn't say that. I just would rather not land in the fire after leaping from the frying pan.
And, of course, as a criminal defense attorney in the U.S., being charged with a crime here makes me far less nervous here than it would in a foreign country. We still have trial rights here that I know how to exploit. Not sure the protections would be the same in Britain, and I am sure that I would only know the system here.
Of course, that's personal to me.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
to move ahead with 'electoral reform' when the entire political system is now populated with shills for the corpora-fascists and banksters who own us.
Not that it isn't a nice idea.....
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
If you're thinking we can reform the overall system in federal elections any time soon . . . heh, that's not just difficult, it's impossible.
A serious, concerted effort must first aim for the idea to catch on in people's minds, and then work in local areas, and keep growing. Kinda the way crazy Christian theocrats started by capturing school boards, and wormed their way up the ranks of the Republican Party.
It will take around 50 years. At least.
I still think we should try to get it started.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
When are we voters going to wake up and realize that the politicians are not interested in us. Every election they give us a song and dance about what they will do for us, then they turn their backs on what they promised. They are only interested in what they can do for the corporations. And what the corporations can do for them. The corporations are getting what they want, they always wanted this to be a 3rd world work force and our government have given it to them.
Next election maybe we need to write in none of the above. The candidates that just ran will not be able to run again. They will have to run someone else. Then give them 3 months to run a new election.
We need to figure out how to get the power back into our hands and out of the corporate hands.
Campaign finance reform is a joke, they always leave a loop hole big enough to drive a mack truck threw, so they can get big money from the corporations. They have tried finance reform before and all it has gotten us is more money from the corporations. The only way finance reform will work is if we the people write it.
But as far as I know , this "HCR" is not going to cover pre existing conditions. And IF they do, it will cost 50% more that what you'd be paying now. Lets say your ins premium for the Year is 10K. It would be 15k with a pre existing condition.
Nope, This bill doesn't force the ins co's to compete to lower the prices. You get screwed if you have a pre existing condition.
Nope. Kill this bill. Nuthin is better in this case.
Better yet, cancel your ins policies. Get a fake ID, and walk into the ER.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Now that's a healt care plan that might actually work for the people. We should all do this anytime we need a physical, just fake some symptoms, get your fake ID and go into the ER for your check up's, whatever you need really. - and once this drives the costs up enough maybe we can get a real public option.
We'll never see it until the rich are effected
I have too many serious medical problems not to have insurance.
But maybe I'll take the case of someone facing punishment for violating the mandate . . . and appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
. . . . . has become a phrase that blinds people to the bad.
Mere insurance reform (i.e. rewriting some of the rules by which insurance companies now operate instead of forcing them compete with the government or installing single-payer) can never work. The insurance companies themselves have so much say over the statutory language, and even if they didn't, they'll figure out how to skirt the rules with impunity anyway.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Stop Buying The Product.
Just. Fricking. Stop.
What if...all the folks who don't have health problems right now, canceled their policies TODAY?
What if...folks like Karen kept theirs so they could take care of their immediate health issues?
Think that would fuck up some days?
I do.
Wouldn't it be great if politicians had the respect for our flag, people and country that comedians do
Bernie Sanders is now on record that he will vote no if the Senate Bill remains as it is.
And Howard Dean is apparently taking steps either to withdraw his organization's support from Obama's reelection efforts or to actively support someone else. (I wish I had a link, but Raw Story says the story is developing as I type this.)
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
The White House has now called Howard Dean an irrelevant, fringe kook throwing a tantrum.
Teabaggers, Republicans and even some conservative Democrats have called the president a lying, secret-socialist, secret Muslim who hates America, and yet, the White House managed to hold its tongue and negotiate anyway.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Hugo Chávez
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