Open Thread, Remembering Paul Wellstone
By bluegal Saturday Oct 25, 2008 7:30pm
Crooks and Liars honors the late, great, progressive Senator Paul Wellstone,
(July 21, 1944 – October 25, 2002). This video was made by Senate Democrats last year at this time (h/t Hold Fast).
Open Thread below...
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That's a pretty weak attempt at humor.
You were one of the best.
Out of Wellstone's own mouth to a Veteran's Group right before he was assassinated:
http://www.duckdaotsu.org/thoreau291203.html
BTW, a friend of mine produced a series of videos about "Camp Wellstone's" where they teach people how to organize and run for office. Check them out on Google.
I was honored to meet Paul Wellstone when he was President of Americans for Democratic Action.
What an incredible human being....
I still don't understand why grown adults are hesitant to talk about the realities of state sponsored assassinations and false flag terrorism. Grow the fuck up. Grow some balls. These people are getting away with murder over and over, and we sit here like children hoping it will all go away. Wake up.
Because dealing with reality would require action from their part.
I just returned from MN and am very happy to report that the people in my class were raging democrats much like me. Every single person in the class.
Theres only a hardcore of Repugs left up here, the usual wealthy tax avoiders types,
The blue collar Republicans have had their eyes opened about the realities of Bushco, 401Ks savings, pensions and the inflated value of their houses dropping down to reality levels did the trick.
There will always be a few refusers who hang onto the 'fear' and vote R, but they would do so no matter what.
The rich Repugs got their WcCain/Stalin signs out early, but Obama/Biden and Al Franken signs are mushrooming everywhere now.
Norm Coleman and his lobbyist gifts, Palin and her freebies, the knowledge has spread, people are fed up with the crooks(R) and liars(R)
Check out this bullshit. Some "interview"...asking Biden about Marxism and whether Obama will turn America into a Socialist nation.
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/fair-an...
Appalling.
That bitch should feel pretty embarrassed because Biden more than handled her stupid questions. Al she had was republican talking points. No way to conduct a serious interview.
that Obama and Biden are afraid of real interviews because they cancelled an interview with this bimbette and Jill Biden. It's all over the wingnutosphere.
Apparently, the interviewer's husband is some GOP tool, an advisor to someone. How patently offensive.
She is a disgrace to journalism.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/index.html
I don't recognize my country anymore.
I grew up with Walter Cronkite and real journalists who actually did their job. I remember a radio guy who retired a couple of years ago and when they were interviewing him on his last day, he said he felt his greatest accomplishment was that none of his co-workers knew his political leanings.
If only. (dreamy sigh)
but I remember when Ted Koppel left Nightline, he quipped to someone that he wanted to get out, as he put it, "before I was asked to cover a wet t-shirt contest."
Now we need an army of Murrows.
I wonder who that bimbo is voting for?
Her husband is a GOP media consultant
about that "interview" with Joe Biden, go here:
http://www.wftv.com/contact/index.html
that has gotta be the funniest question ever
sweden??? i would love if this country was like sweden
swedes all get free healthcare...university education...they have a lower infant mortality rate, lower crime rate, and are generally happier people
if obama turns us into sweden, i will kiss his feet
then, i will find this bimbo...and give her....A SWIFT BOOT TO THE HEAD
Sweden: far less religion.
'Nuff sed.
God forbid we are turned into a country with great education, free health care, some of the highest wages in the western world, and above all... the Swedish Bikini team.
Only in America, would a candidate who is pretending to run as a "populist" make a claim that "spreading the wealth" is somehow a bad thing.
The GOP is akin to a wolf running for head sheep at the herd, and the sheep being stupid enough to buy the wolf's speech exalting the benefits of a meat-centric diet.
Sooner or later, that wolf is going to "go out for wool and come back shorn," as it were.
Hopefully sooner.
Wellstone was one of the best. One of the few reasonable voices that spoke out against the war.
paul wellstone was tough and smart. he loved his job. i don't believe BUSH and cheney cared for him much. there are people who still wonder how that plane crashed. the pilots had a lot of flying hours and the plane was one the best you could get. there are stories about a high frequency device used to jam the
plane instrumentation to bring it down.
If i'm correct, there wasn't much of an investigation over the plane crash. I think there may be more to his death than meets the eye.
"Republicans don't die in plane crashes."
Rock stars do. Which explains why Republicans hate modern music, i suppose.
As a Minnesotan, I will never forget where I was when THEY killed him.
This video was kind of painful for me.
I was one of those young and hopeful kids who helped Paul Wellstone get elected.
It still and will always hurt to be reminded of what America lost.
RIP Paul. We miss you more than we ever thought possible.
I'm not a Minnesotan, but I can relate to your pain - and the pain of all Americans who've been robbed of the possibility of a hopeful, peaceful, prosperous future by the few sick people who perpetrate these crimes.
As a young person back in the 60's, I watched JFK, MLK, and RFK, brilliant, thoughtful, energtic and compassionate men, just like Paul Wellstone, also be murdered by the smug, small, evil group of men who are always in the background in our government.
I, too, am reminded not of "what America lost" - but what has been taken from us by these abhorrent factions. Wellstone's murder should also remind us, once again, not to be complacent - ever.
Hey MsJoanne, A sitemonitor said you may know of a way to change the display preferences of the comments here on C&L. Is that true?
Go down to the bottom of the page and click Post a Commment (do not REPLY).
When the dialog box displays, you will see a little tiny gear on the upper right side of the box. Click on it, and a little option box will open.
Select the radio buttons as per your preference and then click Update.
you don't even have to click Post a Comment...that little gear is at the right of the same blue line where it says Post a Comment.
Even easier now. :-)
THANK YOU. Thank You.
Glad I could help.
Holy crap! IRR service man recalled to duty after 12 years.
www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/10/25/lawre...
Jesus
and potentially 60,000 more families will be impacted. Wow.
They may have pulled it. I can't get it to work.
Ok, i got it to work by switching from Mozzilla to IE.
I am tired of seeing people going off to war. Very tired.
Wellstone fought for peace, but in case you missed it he also set an example for all the rest of us. Not an easy example to be sure, but being a political activist (as Obama has been) is open to all of us. You don't even have to go to school for it and there are no age requirements. All you have to do is decide to do it and commit yourself to it. We should all consider it.
And it works fine. What version of FF are you on?
Was it you who posted the new Mozilla browser link the other night? I couldn't find the download...I wanted to check it out.
3.0.3
No it was not me. It took me a minute to figure out my own version.
and you don't see the little icon I mentioned?
Oh, yes. Sorry i was talking about getting a CNN video link to work. I found that icon a few days after C&L switched to its new format. Thank you. :)
nevermind.
Did you ask me a question about the CNN thing?? Sheesh, talk about being out of it.
I got you confused with Orang.
I feel so badly for that guy. In some ways, I admire his sense of duty, but I also pity him for not doing everything he can to challenge his recall. He has kids who need him more than a country that needs him to join an indefensible occupation of a country that never harmed us.
Plain and simple.
I wish more people would consider the possibilities and set forth a little effort to investigate and explore the alternative theories and evidence in cases like this.
...this great man. Sorry I didn't, but this video makes me wish we had 100 more like him today. God knows this country needs them.
Instead, we have trash like mitch mcConnell, joe lieverwurst, etc, etc. Shameful. What an ass backwards nation.
There are tens of thousands and you are probably one of them.
It's not our fault when so many voters were disenfranchised, votes switched and caging plus all of the other Rovian tactics used to steal the elections. We don't know how many good people lost elections because of the fascist actions of the repugs.
While i agree with you, Ron i would like to point out that we all can't be and do not have to be elected officials to enact change. There are a million alternatives and we can all think of at least one.
The best we can do now is to get so many milllions out to vote, they can't steal it without raising eyebrows. That AP poll that said it was close interviewed 44% evangelicals. They will stop at nothing.
posted this this morning:
Here’s an interesting tidbit from Rassmussen this AM.
Today’s results mark the 30th straight day that Obama’s support has stayed between 50% and 52%. During that period, the number voting for McCain has stayed in the 44% to 46% range every day and the gap between the candidates has ranged from four to eight percentage points.
However, while the overall levels of support have remained stable, voters have become more certain of their intent. Today, the percentage who say they could still change their mind is down to single digits. Forty-eight percent (48%) are now certain they will vote for Obama while 40% say the same about McCain. Nine percent (9%) lean one way or the other but could change their mind. The remaining three percent (3%) are either committed to a third party candidate or remain undecided.
Thirty days ago, while Obama enjoyed a five-point lead overall, just 41% of voters were certain they would vote for him. At that time, 39% said the same about McCain
Can you say Seal the Deal?
ok how about im sure paul wellstone would have concidered obamas intentions of sending iraq war weary soldiers to afganistan to be a big mistake and if he hadnt been killed in a plane crash he would have been among the first to object to it!
I am a non violent pacifist so there is no war i will support. Having said that from the viewpoint of a pragmatist i have to say that if we (as a country) are in a war we have to wage it correctly. I know that sounds wierd, but it is a fact. I would prefer we dismantle the Pentagon and disband the military. We won't in my lifetime.
My pragmatic concept of the war in Afghanistan was and would be today the same: Get the leaders of the Taliban and Al Qeada, set up an orderly Government and police the country and do not allow poppies to be grown again.
We did everything exactly the opposite of that. We enabled War Lords and increased Heroin production by not worrying about it.
Bush and Company are either incompetant bufoons or heroin trafficers or (in my opinion) both.
xoites well said , but a true pacifist considers thier is no justification for war and does not make a distincion on weather a war is being conducted correctly or not, he considers all aspects of war as being evil,
And i do.
Look at the other side of the coin. If there is a war a non violent person also wants the least number of deaths and the least number of victims and much more. A non violent person also wants a just outcome. We have none of these in Afghanistan or Iraq.
It's the old utilitarian conundrum. Oddly enough, all moral or ethical philosophies ultimately fall prey to the same paradox. Some just go to greater lengths to conceal it (usually in service of ego-defense).
I prefer the Theravada Buddhist approach, myself. But there is still no crystal clear guide ... except, perhaps, one: to commit to the principle "I will not kill," and then fully accept any an all consequences that may entail. It ain't easy.
I have to agree and yes i have fallen victim to dealing with what is rather than what i would like. I still refuse to kill or condone killing, but to be pure; to be totally without blame one would have to fast to the death while sitting on a sidewalk and then roll over onto the earth to decompose and thus replenish the planet.
I will have to remain selfish and cling to life and be imperfect.
Well, I'm plenty selfish, but I don't eat shellfish.
And as I am now reduced to making pathetic jokes, it seems ...
I'm going to bed.
Skull and Bones was founded by opium traffickers.
Paul Wellstone was a great human being!
We need MORE like YOU.
I still really miss Paul Wellstone. What a loss, especially for the causes of poverty, mental health care, and education.
If he were alive today. Would he be in Obama's shoes right now?
makes ya think, don't it?
I am thinking more along the lines of Joe Biden's shoes.
Bill Hicks was pretty good.
http://www.guba.com/watch/2000950423
I watched this video and flat out cried. I am still pissed at Paul for getting on that gd plane.
One of my earliest memories is watching JFK's funeral on a black and white TeevEE. I am the same age as JohnJohn but remember where I was when I found out about The Crash - on fox no less. This country would be at least 140 degrees different with him.
I just returned from Obama's rally here in Albuquerque--man, the excitement level was AMAZING, everybody was smiling and happy and psyched. News reports puts the crowd at 35,000+. It seemed more than that. What I love most of all is seeing the excitement level of all us enthused voters ! Get out and VOTE, everybody !
well ive done my bit, haveing been to war and understanding the uselessnes of it i can only do what i can, when i vist my mothers grave i can see a brass covered placq with the name of joeseph harp usmc killed in vietnam 68 tet ofensive, i talked to the boy just before he inlisted, explained they were killing marines there in vietnam, beged him to reconsider , he was eighteen 6 months later he fell mortaly wounded at a roadblock outside of danang, what a waste , g-night
And an absolute waste. That war was an abomination, and the ones we are in now are, too. Fucking MIC will rule throughout my lifetime. Maybe after we've nuked half the planet, we will learn.
God, I need a life. (sigh)
I'm still here.
I thought I was all alone and feeling blue. :-)
Not only am I not here...I never was.
I didn't think so. You are a pigment (in the color) of my imagination.
Rene Descartes walks into a bar. The bartender asks if he'd like his usual. Descartes replies, "I think not," ... and promptly vanishes!
...therefore I am...single.
I always failed the Good Little Predator test:
"Now, wash the blood off your hands before you come to the table."
There was never anything to wash off.
Me ≠ obedient hunting-dog/guard-dog/sled-dog
Some claim that life exists on other blogs.
I, for one, don't believe it.
That I can believe.
mccain volunteer
http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2008_10_25...
for those who dont know mark, he is a great writer of books, movies, tv and comics and is the foremost authority on jack (the king) kirby
its sad that mccain had to use fear to energize his base
i thought the dems were the party of fear? times, they are a' changing
If someone tries to tell me that they think Obama might be a Muslim, I'm going to tell them that McCain might be the Manchurian Candidate. He just might be. Now that is reality.
But how many of them will understand that reference?
He isn't black.
Thats the reality of 'Comrade' WcCain, programmed and brainwashed during his five years in a POW camp, to return to and destroy the USA from within.
Any alert observer would say 'Comrade' WcCain and his Repug followers have 'mission accomplished' big time, the US economy and financial system is in ruins.
They sold everything including the family silver to his Chinese and Vietnamese masters.
He sold out the POW/MIA victims big time too when he sat on (and controlled) the Congressional MIA committee, was he following hidden implanted orders, or covering his posterior by stopping any witnesses from coming back and spilling the beans on how he collaborated !?
'Comrade' WcCain was at the heart of the Savings and Loans financial thefts and cover ups, was he then following hidden orders !?
'Comrade' WcCain was and is at the heart of the current financial melt down...
Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, third time is PURPOSEFUL.
What "really" happened to Ashley Todd. Did Bill C. finally make nice with Obama?
Those damn "activist" judges, and their refusal to support Republiscum
frivolous lawsuits over voter rolls. For a "non-socialist" like herself, Palin didn't seem to allow for much bidding on an oil pipeline. Texas "justice"
strikes again in the case of that black guy dragged to death by a noose attached to a truck. [But how can there be racism in the South?!]
makes sense
paulbots are all basically insane
He's draining votes from McCain.
I loves me some Paul and Barr. A vote for anyone but McCain is okie dokie by me.
If McCain and Palin weren't so dangerous, I'd be casting my usual third-party protest vote.
As it now stands, I'm more concerned with how best to motivate President-Elect Obama to seriously re-examine his lineup of advisers.
to not set up too high of an expectation for Obama, because he is much farther to the right then I would like, and hearing him say he wanted Colin fucking Powell as an advisor sent some chills down my spine, but as I have said for months, it will be Obama or McCain (and his loopy, dopey, ignorant, sleaze of a running mate) and it is a total no brainer.
It was his vote on the FISA bill that clued me in to why GovCorp was still allowing him to suck air (admittedly, I hadn't paid much attention until then). So I looked up his record, and said, yup, there it is -- if the moneybags/warheads weren't sure he was brandable, he would have been brushed aside long ago. So the question is, to what extent will he do their bidding? I would hardly expect him to start deconstructing
Palpatine'sCheneyCorp's Empire, even if he could. But will he be instrumental in saving us from national suicide, or will he be, at worst, a stall?We'll see.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Orlando_TV_Anch...
watch how biden calmly answers the questions, no matter how absurd they are
watch how she brings karl marx into the conversation
and what is so bad about being like sweden? is sweden the new france?
She was way out of line. She was repeating the repug talking points. Faux must own that tv station also.
GNA! Be back tomorrow.
Sweetest dreams to ya.
She was 26.
Add to that Jennifer Hudson's mom and brother being killed and her 7 year old nephew is still missing.
Life can be so cruel, harsh and unfair. My deepest sympathies go to her.
Apparently, her ex brother in law is a low life big time criminal (on parole for previously violent acts) and he has been arrested for the murders. No clue where the child is as of yet.
I fear for the boy's safety. Maybe he saw something.
but, the child has been missing since when this story broke, last night. They got the guy but the boy is nowhere to be seen. It does not sound good at all.
Very, very sad. Hudson was close to her family from what I read.
http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567867.html
EPIC FAIL
Anchorwoman Attacked In Ark. Dies of Injuries
I can't remove this comment and it was not meant as a reply.
Anchorwoman Attacked In Ark. Dies of Injuries
After many years reading C&L, my very first comment.. Wellstone was my hero, I will always remember when I heard about the plane crash.. it was devastating, and what followed horrifying. There may never be another Wellstone but we finally have a candidate who may come close. Go AL, take back that seat, Paul would be so proud and honored. Too bad it's been soiled by Coleman and the like, who should never have been put there in the first place.
After Nov 4th when Wellstone's seat is back in the hands of someone who can and will represent Minnesota in a manner in which Wellstone will be proud, may he finally RIP.
The second day the music died.
Inspiring. If anybody asks you, THIS IS WHY WE FIGHT!
I took a Poli-sci class from Wellstone at Carleton. I didn't really stand out in the class, but he still remembered my name years later when I went to campaign for his first run for the Senate.
After getting to know him more, I really felt like part of his family.
He and Sheila and Marcia were true angels.
what is an open thread? if this thread is not open to diffrent views why say its an open thread? last night i posted on this thread and used obamas view on afganistan when i replyed to a poster reporting on a ex military guy who had been out of the military for 12 yrs and was called back to active service, i said dont worry about it the war will be over soon, obamas going to bring the guys home but first they will go by way of afganistan forgot to add packistan also, now that was obamas promiss to us, it was deleted without an explination, by the site monitor, my question is why ? is an open thread really open i said nothing that wasnt true !